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1. 04:20 AM - Re: speed brakes (Tim Juhl)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: Gull-wing Doors (steveadams)
3. 05:34 AM - Re: Gull-wing Doors (ashontz)
4. 06:41 AM - Re: Gull-wing Doors (Gig Giacona)
5. 06:46 AM - Sun-N-Fun group ride share from Michigan to ZBBQ (pilot4pay)
6. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: Gull-wing Doors (C Smith)
7. 06:56 AM - Re: Gull-wing Doors (ashontz)
8. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Gull-wing Doors (Jaybannist@cs.com)
9. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: speed brakes (Mike Fothergill)
10. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: speed brakes (Trainnut01@aol.com)
11. 08:15 AM - Re: Gull-wing Doors (ashontz)
12. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: speed brakes (C Smith)
13. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: speed brakes (Trainnut01@aol.com)
14. 09:23 AM - wing locker doors ()
15. 09:25 AM - Re: speed brakes (Gig Giacona)
16. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: Gull-wing Doors (Aaron Gustafson)
17. 12:21 PM - Re: Gull-wing Doors (ashontz)
18. 12:26 PM - Re: wing locker doors (ashontz)
19. 12:48 PM - Re: Woulda's (ashontz)
20. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: wing locker doors ()
21. 02:05 PM - Re: (David Downey)
22. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: wing locker doors (Ryan Vechinski)
23. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: XL Flaps: Maximum down deflection. (David Downey)
24. 02:38 PM - Re: (Juan Vega)
25. 02:40 PM - Re: Composite Landing Gears from Aircraft Spruce (David Downey)
26. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: XL Flaps: Maximum down deflection. (Bryan Martin)
27. 03:17 PM - Re: wing locker doors (ashontz)
28. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: speed brakes (Trainnut01@aol.com)
29. 03:48 PM - Re: ()
30. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: wing locker doors ()
31. 04:14 PM - Re: (Southern Reflections)
32. 04:17 PM - Re: wing locker doors (Tim Juhl)
33. 05:04 PM - CH 701 failed landing attempt (blackbird)
34. 06:23 PM - Re: CH 701 failed landing attempt (Graeme)
35. 06:23 PM - Re: wing locker doors (ashontz)
36. 08:13 PM - Re: CH 701 failed landing attempt (blackbird)
37. 09:46 PM - Rivet Gun (Rodney Mills)
38. 10:28 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (David Mikesell)
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| Subject: | Re: speed brakes |
David,
Good to know - I wondered if the area of low pressure above the wing would pull
the door up at all.... glad to know it wasn't a problem.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Gull-wing Doors |
Here is a photo of the CH2000,CH640 cabin structure.
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| Subject: | Re: Gull-wing Doors |
steveadams wrote:
> Here is a photo of the CH2000,CH640 cabin structure.
I see no reason why that can't be easily adaptable to the CH601XL. If you ask me
the CH2000 looks just like a CH601XL except with a hardtop canopy.
[img]http--www.airbum.com-pireps-CH20001.jpg[/img]
Doesn't even look all that difficult to make, unless I'm missing something.
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| Subject: | Re: Gull-wing Doors |
To each his own... but that big bubble canopy on the 601XL was a big selling point
for me.
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See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun group ride share from Michigan to ZBBQ |
I live in central Michigan (Howell, between Lansing and Detroit). Is anyone in
the area interested in a group tansport to spread the costs of rooms and transportation?
If anyone has a seat available in a plane or car, I'd love to help
with the costs. If necessary I can drive, but my pick-up doesn't get the best
milage. Departure would be dawn on the 18th at the latest, predict 18hr drive
time. I simply can't afford to make the trip on my own, but think the shared info
would be worth the trip. Rooms need to be booked ASAP, or stay in Tampa or
Orlando area. Camping is alternative, I have sufficient gear, but prefer a real
bed.
Interested parties can e-mail me direct.
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Craig Smith
Future CH640 builder
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| Subject: | Re: Gull-wing Doors |
I used to monitor the RV list, and after listening to them complain about
the quality of the canopy, I'm glad I've chosen to go with Zenith, not to
mention not having to buck all those rivets! Looks like very high quality
glass work.
Craig Smith
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steveadams
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Gull-wing Doors
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Here is a photo of the CH2000,CH640 cabin structure.
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| Subject: | Re: Gull-wing Doors |
Gig Giacona wrote:
> To each his own... but that big bubble canopy on the 601XL was a big selling
point for me.
Gig Giacona wrote:
> To each his own... but that big bubble canopy on the 601XL was a big selling
point for me.
To each his own.
I like the hardtop. Looks like a Piper Cherokee. May give a little more roll-over
protection too if done right. I also don't like the idea of being trapped in
a bubble upside down, you can pop the door latch (per a lot of flight manuals
in prep for an emergency landing) prior to landing, especially if it's a regular
front hinge door like a Cherokee. Not only that but I'd be easier and cleaner
to put a couple slider windows in the thing and it also offers some measure
of sun protection without giving up too much visibility. To me the hardtop
just looks more like a GA airplane. I think it's cool and would probably be cheaper
too. Also, it looks like something I can make and repair. Crack a fullsized
bubble canopy while doing something to it and you're screwed and have to buy
a new one. I also don't like the idea of having something on the plane I can't
make myself or would be really hard-pressed to make. Worst case if for some
reason say the smaller windshield cracked and I couldn't find another one at
a reasonable price, it'd be a hell of a lot easier to make a small plexi-glass
front or side windshield that it would be to make a full-sized canopy. I intend
to keep this plane for a long time. If in 2030 I need a windshield and the
company that made the original wasn't around I wouldn't be SOL.
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| Subject: | Re: Gull-wing Doors |
The 640 may be similar to the 601XL, but look at the proximity of the spar insertion
hole to the main landing gear attach bracket. It's MUCH different from the
601XL. I see quite a few, less obvious, differences in the fuselage structure.
It's nopt just a 601XL with a different canopy.
Jay in Dallas
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"ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
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>steveadams wrote:
>> Here is a photo of the CH2000,CH640 cabin structure.
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>
>I see no reason why that can't be easily adaptable to the CH601XL. If you ask
me the CH2000 looks just like a CH601XL except with a hardtop canopy.
>
>[img]http--www.airbum.com-pireps-CH20001.jpg[/img]
>
>Doesn't even look all that difficult to make, unless I'm missing something.
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| Subject: | Re: speed brakes |
Hi;
On an 601HD, the door opens to almost 45 degrees and creates a lot of
drag and loss of lift. It is like losing an engine in a twin. Never turn
into that side and keep the speed up right onto the ground.
Forgetting to lock the door caused by distraction by spectators
questions about the airplane.
Mike
CH-601 HDS
Tim Juhl wrote:
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> David,
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> Good to know - I wondered if the area of low pressure above the wing would pull
the door up at all.... glad to know it wasn't a problem.
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> Tim
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> Champ L16A flying
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| Subject: | Re: speed brakes |
Just a thought-it sure would be easy to put warning lights on those locker
doors.
Carroll
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| Subject: | Re: Gull-wing Doors |
Jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
> The 640 may be similar to the 601XL, but look at the proximity of the spar insertion
hole to the main landing gear attach bracket. It's MUCH different from
the 601XL. I see quite a few, less obvious, differences in the fuselage structure.
It's nopt just a 601XL with a different canopy.
>
> Jay in Dallas
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> "ashontz" wrote:
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> > steveadams wrote:
> > > Here is a photo of the CH2000,CH640 cabin structure.
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> > I see no reason why that can't be easily adaptable to the CH601XL. If you ask
me the CH2000 looks just like a CH601XL except with a hardtop canopy.
> >
> > [img]http--www.airbum.com-pireps-CH20001.jpg[/img]
> >
> > Doesn't even look all that difficult to make, unless I'm missing something.
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> > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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I'm sure a 640 or a ch2000 aren't just a scaled up version of a 601xl, but they
are very similar looking from photos, especially before the canopy is installed.
I don't see any obvious reason that a canopy from one model couldn't be adapted
to another model. I guess what I'm getting at is that in either case, the
canopy doesn't appear to add to the structural intengrity of the fuselage, certainly
not in the XL and I would venture to guess that it doesn't add anything
structurally from a design stand-point (that's needed anyway) to the CH2000
or the 640 and any additional strength it does add is just a bonus, kind of like
a hardtop versus convertible car. You can put the top down or cut the hardtop
off a Chrysler Seibring and it wouldn't effect the strength of the chasis
because they're built on the same chasis and the structural integrity is not compromised
sans a roof.
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| Subject: | Re: speed brakes |
Better yet, a loud obnoxious game show quality buzzer type anunciator!
CS
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Trainnut01@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: speed brakes
Just a thought-it sure would be easy to put warning lights on those locker
doors.
Carroll
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| Subject: | Re: speed brakes |
How about a starter interlock?
CJ
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| Subject: | wing locker doors |
It only adds .5 gram of extra ink weight to write it on your checklist. If you
already have a glass panel unit, you can add check wing locker doors without any
added weight.
Dred
---- C Smith <pilot4profit@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Better yet, a loud obnoxious game show quality buzzer type anunciator!
> CS
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| Subject: | Re: speed brakes |
I think you might be kidding here but the thought of any starter interlock on an
airplane gives me the heebee geebees.
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[quote="Trainnut01(at)aol.com"]How about a starter interlock?
CJ
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> [b]
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601XL Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: Gull-wing Doors |
That $20 piece of Plexi selling for $1000 was why I modified to use flat
Lexan and am now sealing the gull wing doors on my HD.
Aaron Gustafson do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Gull-wing Doors |
agustafson(at)chartermi.n wrote:
> That $20 piece of Plexi selling for $1000 was why I modified to use flat
> Lexan and am now sealing the gull wing doors on my HD.
>
> Aaron Gustafson do not archive
Yeah, that's way to much for a piece of formed plexiglass.
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| Subject: | Re: wing locker doors |
I think I'd make the door spring loaded somehow so that it stays closed even if
someone forgets to latch it.
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I woulda jumped into to building YEARS ago knowing how much I like it and how little
it really costs.
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| Subject: | Re: wing locker doors |
If you're going to spring load the locker doors, wouldn't it be a better idea to
spring load them OPEN? That way, they are not flopping in your way when you
are loading or unloading them, and the best part is that it is painfully obvious
if you have forgotten to latch them. I mean, if you start up and taxi out with
the doors sprung wide open, you are probbaly not a good choice for the left
seat.
Dred
---- ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
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> I think I'd make the door spring loaded somehow so that it stays closed even
if someone forgets to latch it.
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Has anyone use a dual stick, dual throttle setup? that is sort of what I had been
thinking of (you know, a side by side tandem!)
japhillipsga@aol.com wrote: Jay, I also have dual sticks in my XL and I had
thought I would use the single throttle in the center somewhere. Instead I have
the duals with spin friction locks. It is a little more work and $ to install
two throttles, but as a right handed guy I like landing with my most coordinated
hand on the stick and left hand on the go ball. If I was left handed the
center throttle would be preferred for me. This question is a preference point
only your taste in flying can answer. I have a couple hundred hours in 152,172
and Warriors and I always had to land left handed and I knew the other way
would work better for me. Best regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 105
hours
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| Subject: | Re: wing locker doors |
The only problem with that is, IF the latch should somehow fail in flight, you
WILL have a working spoiler, and I doubt one could recover and land safely from
that.
What about a dual action spring hinge, one that pulls the door closed when it is
more that halfway closed, and pushes the door open when it is more than halfway
open? I don't know what you call these, but the same principle is at work
on most automobile fuel doors. Just a thought.
Ryan
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> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:31:44 -0500
> From: dredmoody@cox.net
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: wing locker doors
>
>
> If you're going to spring load the locker doors, wouldn't it be a better idea
to spring load them OPEN? That way, they are not flopping in your way when you
are loading or unloading them, and the best part is that it is painfully obvious
if you have forgotten to latch them. I mean, if you start up and taxi out
with the doors sprung wide open, you are probbaly not a good choice for the left
seat.
>
> Dred
>
> ---- ashontz wrote:
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> > I think I'd make the door spring loaded somehow so that it stays closed even
if someone forgets to latch it.
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| Subject: | Re: XL Flaps: Maximum down deflection. |
Would there be adequate trim capability if the tab were full span on both elevators?
I also plan to use something other than the elevator mounted trim motor
design because I do not like the unbalanced controls in the first place.
Hi Tim,
I understand the choice between using deep slips and flaps for
creating a steep approach to landing. I am not sure either one has
much advantage over the other one. Of course if you have a plane
with no flaps you have no choice. I guess the slip choice can be a
little unnerving on inexperienced passengers, but I am not sure if
this is an advantage or disadvantage.
The situation is a little different with takeoff. A little flaps -
perhaps 10 degrees - can greatly shorten your ground roll and might
even allow you to climb at a higher angle. This option doesn't exist
on a plane with no flaps.
The situation I ran into while building my XL showed me several
things about the kit and plans.
1. The design has recently been changed to limit the flap deflection
to 20 degrees instead of the 30 degrees the XL has had since its
first prototype. This was done without any mention to the buyer
community - just a change that kit and plan buyers learn about as
they reach that stage of building.
Perhaps the only reason for this change was to allow the elevator
trim to neutralize the pitch with full flaps - something that
apparently was not possible with 30 degrees of flaps. According to
my current flight instructor and fellow local EAA club member, this
is a very important quality for a plane to have and is indeed
required for part 23 certification. His explanation talked about
having a bee chase you around the cockpit on approach so you let go
of the stick to defend yourself.
This change certainly had nothing to do with LSA stall speeds since
they are specified without the use of flaps.
2. The flap control design is very sensitive to the vertical
position of the long control tube that connects the two flaps. If
this tube is mounted too low (as on my first attempt) then there is a
collision between the large channel the tube is mounted on and the
steel tube extension on the linear motor actuator. This seems like a
really bad problem to me. The location of the control tube is not
specified on the prints. Instead, it is determined by a long string
of events that lead to the exact location of the wing trailing
edge. I plan to suggest this specification be changed to help
following builders avoid the problem I had.
3. Reports from current XL owners indicate 20 degrees of flap
deflection is sufficient for their flying needs and 30 is just plain
overkill. I suppose that means it is reasonable to accept the new
design from ZAC even though it could have been changed in a more public way.
4. As always, support from ZAC has been excellent. In this case,
Caleb spent time on this problem including several communications and
parts of several days of effort.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 08:16 AM 2/9/2007, you wrote:
>
>If you want to lose a bunch of altitude in a hurry without
>overspeeding the aircraft try a slip. I fly a Aeronca L16A which
>has no flaps and don't really miss them. When I put it into a slip
>it comes down like a rock (without gaining airspeed) - as soon as I
>release the slip I'm back flying at my desired attitude and
>airspeed. The flat side of the XL should make it slip pretty good.
>
>My understanding is that the flaps were added to the XL to get the
>stall speeds within the light sport category.
>
>That said, when my plane is done I'm sure I'll use flaps on
>approach. I will also experiment (at altitude) with slips with
>flaps extended as well as the ability of the aircraft to hold
>altitude and climb with full flaps.
>
>Tim
>
>---
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List: |
amd plane parked in Lantana FLA has dual stick dual throttle, flew it this week
end. Dual throttle was a waste of space due to the fact that the center (copilot)
throttle was more convenient than right hand on stick and left throttle
for pilot. Save you self the hassle if going dual stck, and go single center
throttle.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Feb 13, 2007 5:04 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List:
>
>Has anyone use a dual stick, dual throttle setup? that is sort of what I had been
thinking of (you know, a side by side tandem!)
>
>japhillipsga@aol.com wrote: Jay, I also have dual sticks in my XL and I had
thought I would use the single throttle in the center somewhere. Instead I have
the duals with spin friction locks. It is a little more work and $ to install
two throttles, but as a right handed guy I like landing with my most coordinated
hand on the stick and left hand on the go ball. If I was left handed the
center throttle would be preferred for me. This question is a preference point
only your taste in flying can answer. I have a couple hundred hours in 152,172
and Warriors and I always had to land left handed and I knew the other way
would work better for me. Best regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 105
hours
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jaybannist@cs.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 2:35 PM
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List:
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> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Composite Landing Gears from Aircraft Spruce |
I thought that these were 2 piece, left and right? no work for 601XL if 2 piece
MaxNr@aol.com wrote: Does anyone have experience with this type of landing gear?
Looks like a big weight saving.
Click here: Composite Landing Gears from Aircraft Spruce
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/compositelg.php
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | Re: XL Flaps: Maximum down deflection. |
There is a mod available for linking the flap mechanism to the elevator
controls using a spring. This automatically adds extra nose up trim as
the flaps deploy. It involves adding an extra lever to the center of the
flap torque tube and linking it through a cable and spring to the stick.
It would also preclude the situation where you might have too much trim.
I'd hate to have the electric trim runaway and end up with so much up
trim that it becomes very difficult to hold the nose down out of the
stall region.
David Downey wrote:
> Would there be adequate trim capability if the tab were full span on
> both elevators? I also plan to use something other than the elevator
> mounted trim motor design because I do not like the unbalanced controls
> in the first place.
>
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Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: wing locker doors |
brothapig(at)HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
> The only problem with that is, IF the latch should somehow fail in flight, you
WILL have a working spoiler, and I doubt one could recover and land safely from
that.
>
> What about a dual action spring hinge, one that pulls the door closed when it
is more that halfway closed, and pushes the door open when it is more than halfway
open? I don't know what you call these, but the same principle is at work
on most automobile fuel doors. Just a thought.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> I thought of that but there's no good way to do it being that you need the spring
to travel through the pivot of the hinge, offset of course. You'd have to
have the door hinge offset and mounted about and inch or so below the wing skin.
That or use one of those cabinet hinges that's has two hinges and works like
a parallelogram and springs into position in both directions. I'd still be
wary of it possibly snapping to the up position of the latch wasn't secure in
flight and then having the thing stuck in the up position anyway. You'd need a
wing tunnel to test the loads etc that it would take to snap the door up against
the spring loading. Seems safer to just have it spring loaded down for double
safety. You could also put a second latch on it like a car hood, pop the latch,
then reach under and pop another latch to fully open it.
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:31:44 -0500
> > From: dredmoody@cox.net
> > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Re: wing locker doors
> >
> >
> >
> > If you're going to spring load the locker doors, wouldn't it be a better idea
to spring load them OPEN? That way, they are not flopping in your way when
you are loading or unloading them, and the best part is that it is painfully
obvious if you have forgotten to latch them. I mean, if you start up and taxi
out with the doors sprung wide open, you are probbaly not a good choice for the
left seat.
> >
> > Dred
> >
> > ---- ashontz wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I think I'd make the door spring loaded somehow so that it stays closed
even if someone forgets to latch it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: speed brakes |
Just kidding.
CJ
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List: |
Since I'm doing dual sticks, I understand the pros and cons of doing that. What
I don't understand is why you would install dual sticks AND dual throttles. When
you go the dual stick route, the part of the console that extends forward
from the armrest and then up to the bottom of the panel is not interferred with
by the stick anymore (as it was with the center stick). That makes it the perfect
loctaion for a single throttle that is is easy reach from both seats. So
again, why complicate the situation with dual throttles?
Dred
---- David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Has anyone use a dual stick, dual throttle setup? that is sort of what I had
been thinking of (you know, a side by side tandem!)
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| Subject: | Re: wing locker doors |
There is not a single latch to fail on the wing locker doors is there? There are
multiple D-Zus fasteners or Cam-Locs or whatever. Is there really a chance of
such a multiple failure inflight?
Still the best route is a complete checklist and a dependable routine.
Dred
---- Ryan Vechinski <brothapig@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
>
> The only problem with that is, IF the latch should somehow fail in flight, you
WILL have a working spoiler, and I doubt one could recover and land safely from
that.
>
> What about a dual action spring hinge, one that pulls the door closed when it
is more that halfway closed, and pushes the door open when it is more than halfway
open? I don't know what you call these, but the same principle is at work
on most automobile fuel doors. Just a thought.
>
> Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List: |
I second that ..... joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List:
>
> amd plane parked in Lantana FLA has dual stick dual throttle, flew it
> this week end. Dual throttle was a waste of space due to the fact that
> the center (copilot) throttle was more convenient than right hand on stick
> and left throttle for pilot. Save you self the hassle if going dual stck,
> and go single center throttle.
>
> Juan
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Feb 13, 2007 5:04 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List:
>>
>>Has anyone use a dual stick, dual throttle setup? that is sort of what I
>>had been thinking of (you know, a side by side tandem!)
>>
>>japhillipsga@aol.com wrote: Jay, I also have dual sticks in my XL and I
>>had thought I would use the single throttle in the center somewhere.
>>Instead I have the duals with spin friction locks. It is a little more
>>work and $ to install two throttles, but as a right handed guy I like
>>landing with my most coordinated hand on the stick and left hand on the go
>>ball. If I was left handed the center throttle would be preferred for me.
>>This question is a preference point only your taste in flying can answer.
>>I have a couple hundred hours in 152,172 and Warriors and I always had to
>>land left handed and I knew the other way would work better for me. Best
>>regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 105 hours
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jaybannist@cs.com
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Sent: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 2:35 PM
>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List:
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>>building 601XL with dual sticks and I am planning to use a single,
>>centrally mounted throttle. Jay in Dallas Do not archive Hans van
>>van Riet <hansinla@mac.com> > >Hi Gang, > >I just ordered the Rudder
>>starter kit to see if I'm fit to build a >601Xl (preferably on
>>amphibian floats). >I've been studying tons of web resources and admired
>>many projects. >One thing strikes me as odd though and maybe your
>>collective wisdom >can shed some light on this: > >I see double
>>throttles on many panels. Why is this done? Would one >central throttle
>>with the dual stick option not be sufficient? > >Thanks, > >Hans > >
>> > > > >
>>
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Downey
>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>> Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
>>
>>
>>
>>---------------------------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing locker doors |
RE: Dzus fasteners - years ago I used to copilot a B25 around to airshows. The
cowling sections and various access panels were held on by dzus fasteners.
After several decades of shaking some of them were worn and it was not unusual
to be flying with a few missing (we carried a bag of spares). It was never a
problem as the remaining fasteners would hold it on. The six dzus fasteners
on the baggage door are more than enough, even if you forget to tighten a couple.
Tim
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Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
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| Subject: | CH 701 failed landing attempt |
Amazing that these planes want to fly so bad...
My hangar buddy has put his 701 in the ground on a hard landing....
912S engine mount bent
Nose wheel bent
Right wing leading edge slat bent with wingtip end broke..
Can anyone tell us where to get a leading edge slat for the right wing...
Neither of us are builders....He would like to buy one...
Thanks,
Wayne McCullough
Eaa chapter 330 president
Briar Patch airfield (9GA1)
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| Subject: | Re: CH 701 failed landing attempt |
With the damage you describe I would call it a crash landing or a botched
landing certainly not a hard landing.
The old saying goes a bad workman always blames his tools!!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "blackbird" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: CH 701 failed landing attempt
>
> Amazing that these planes want to fly so bad...
>
> My hangar buddy has put his 701 in the ground on a hard landing....
>
> 912S engine mount bent
>
> Nose wheel bent
>
> Right wing leading edge slat bent with wingtip end broke..
>
> Can anyone tell us where to get a leading edge slat for the right wing...
>
> Neither of us are builders....He would like to buy one...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wayne McCullough
> Eaa chapter 330 president
> Briar Patch airfield (9GA1)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94874#94874
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>
> --
12/02/2007
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing locker doors |
If I go with wing lockers I'll have the multiple fasteners and the spring action
close, and the double latch. I don't want any unintended flight surfaces (spoilers)
sticking up. Everyone else is welcome to do whatever they're comfortable
with. That's what I'd be comfortable with.
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| Subject: | Re: CH 701 failed landing attempt |
I really am amazed how tough this aircraft is..........even when the engine mount
bent.........The prop (warp drive) sustained only a scratching of the prop
tips....
The nose wheel bent back and did not even hurt the engine exhaust....The main nosewheel
rod...did NOT bend.........Good grief thats tough.........
Oh yeah........Just had the bubble doors installed and a fresh annual...WAS running
great..........More gusty wind is what I am told.
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Listers,
I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build with up
to now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and creating smiley's
even with pressure set as low as possible and flow controls being used.
I recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and tried it today
installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil, no bounce
and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun is not as
comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward position but the
results in my case were far superior to my Zenith supplied gun. I will
be buying another one of the Harbor Freight guns. If anyone is
interested they are in the current sale catalog for $19.99. What a deal
, What a deal. Just thought if anyone was looking for their first gun
or a spare this is worth looking at. I paid over $70 for Zenith gun and
would not buy again. Inquiring minds may want to know.
Rodney Mills
Northport, Al
601XL/ Corvair
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I have been using Harbor Freight rivet pullers for years. I have even pulled
Cherry #6 with them repairing working rivets on DeHavilland Twin Otter
struts. Best deal out there, my oldest one is 4 years old and still working
without a problem.
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodney Mills" <Ramills@charter.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:47 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun
>
> Listers,
> I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build with up to
> now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and creating smiley's even
> with pressure set as low as possible and flow controls being used. I
> recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and tried it today
> installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil, no bounce
> and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun is not as
> comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward position but the
> results in my case were far superior to my Zenith supplied gun. I will be
> buying another one of the Harbor Freight guns. If anyone is interested
> they are in the current sale catalog for $19.99. What a deal , What a
> deal. Just thought if anyone was looking for their first gun or a spare
> this is worth looking at. I paid over $70 for Zenith gun and would not buy
> again. Inquiring minds may want to know.
>
> Rodney Mills
> Northport, Al
> 601XL/ Corvair
>
>
>
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