---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/14/07: 43 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:33 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 02/06/07 (Tom Farin) 2. 05:09 AM - Re: Gull-wing Doors (steveadams) 3. 05:16 AM - Re: Gull-wing Doors (ashontz) 4. 06:44 AM - Re: CH 701 failed landing attempt (blackbird) 5. 07:17 AM - Re: Rivet Gun (C Smith) 6. 07:35 AM - Re: Rivet Gun (wade jones) 7. 07:51 AM - Re: Rivet Gun () 8. 07:57 AM - Re: Rivit Gun (David Mikesell) 9. 08:09 AM - Re: Rivet Gun (Josh Wilson) 10. 08:31 AM - Re: Rivet Gun (Nancy) 11. 08:43 AM - Re: Rivet Gun (C Smith) 12. 09:15 AM - Re: Rivet Gun (Keith Ashcraft) 13. 09:24 AM - Riveter Heaven (Zed Smith) 14. 09:33 AM - Re: Rivet Gun () 15. 09:44 AM - Re: Rivet Gun (JohnDRead@aol.com) 16. 10:08 AM - Re: Gull-wing Doors (caspainhower@aep.com) 17. 10:21 AM - Re: Rivet Gun () 18. 10:29 AM - I didn't believe it till I saw it (Tommy Walker) 19. 11:02 AM - Re: Rivet Gun (Jaybannist@cs.com) 20. 11:07 AM - Re: Riveter Heaven (David Mikesell) 21. 12:04 PM - Re: CH 701 failed landing attempt (Bryan Martin) 22. 12:15 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (Aaron Gustafson) 23. 12:39 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (wade jones) 24. 01:10 PM - Re: Riveter Heaven (Trainnut01@aol.com) 25. 01:14 PM - Com Antenna Wingtip (japhillipsga@aol.com) 26. 01:51 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (Elwood140@aol.com) 27. 02:42 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (Keith Ashcraft) 28. 02:46 PM - Re: Re: Rivit Gun (Juan Vega) 29. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: Rivit Gun (Bill Naumuk) 30. 04:19 PM - Re: I didn't believe it till I saw it (Chris Lewis) 31. 04:24 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (Bill Naumuk) 32. 04:55 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (Aaron Gustafson) 33. 05:07 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (C Smith) 34. 05:47 PM - Landing Gear for CH701 Scatch built (Brian Bowen) 35. 05:52 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 36. 06:12 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (Terry Turnquist) 37. 06:19 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (Edward Moody II) 38. 07:17 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (Randy L. Thwing) 39. 07:22 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (Randy L. Thwing) 40. 07:27 PM - Re: Rivet Gun - cutting the forming feature in the nose. (Paul Mulwitz) 41. 07:33 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (Randy L. Thwing) 42. 07:44 PM - Routers (Ryan Vechinski) 43. 08:36 PM - Re: Routers (Afterfxllc@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:49 AM PST US From: "Tom Farin" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Zenith-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 02/06/07 -----Original Message----- From: "Zenith-List Digest Server" Sent: 2/7/07 2:13 AM Subject: Zenith-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 02/06/07 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Zenith-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Zenith-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 07-02-06&Archive=Zenith Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 07-02-06&Archive=Zenith =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/06/07: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:39 AM - Re: Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? (Gary Gower) 2. 04:32 AM - Re: 801 Bottom Fuselage Skin (Tom Faulkner) 3. 06:07 AM - Re: 801 Bottom Fuselage Skin (n801bh@netzero.com) 4. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? (C Smith) 5. 07:00 AM - Re: Decision on Carb Heat for Rotax 912 ULS!!!!!! (David Austin) 6. 07:21 AM - Re: 801 Bottom Fuselage Skin (LarryMcFarland) 7. 08:07 AM - Re: Bing carb on Jab3300 (Tim Juhl) 8. 08:34 AM - Re: Bing carb on Jab3300 (T. Graziano) 9. 08:54 AM - Delay in Oil Cooler Duct - 701 Rotax Ring Mount (Harrison-Hutcheson) 10. 08:59 AM - Re: 801 Bottom Fuselage Skin801 Bottom Fuselage Skin (Maynard, Brad) 11. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Bing carb on Jab3300 (Pete Krotje) 12. 10:47 AM - Balistic Chute (Joe) 13. 11:36 AM - Re: 801 Bottom Fuselage Skin801 Bottom Fuselage Skin (Dave Ruddiman) 14. 11:39 AM - Sheet metal brake (Ryan Vechinski) 15. 11:53 AM - Re: Balistic Chute (Craig Payne) 16. 12:13 PM - Re: Sheet metal brake (Craig Payne) 17. 12:37 PM - Re: Sheet metal brake (Administrator) 18. 12:40 PM - Re: Sheet metal brake (Administrator) 19. 01:28 PM - Re: Sheet metal brake (Paul Mulwitz) 20. 02:36 PM - Re: Balistic Chute () 21. 04:34 PM - Re: Sheet metal brake (Ron Lendon) 22. 05:50 PM - Re: Sheet metal brake (Brandon Tucker) 23. 06:25 PM - Re: Sheet metal brake (Bill Naumuk) 24. 09:30 PM - Re: Sheet metal brake (Harold Klassen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:16 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? Yeah, Love the oriental massage :-) Please Do Not Archive!!! Couldnt resist :-) :-0 I agree that their web site is awful. I usually just call on the phone, they take care of me. -------- Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92908#92908 --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:56 AM PST US From: "Tom Faulkner" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 801 Bottom Fuselage Skin Dave: The .016 works fine. Just be careful about dropping tools on it. I think that it is a strength/weight issue. In this type of construction the skin carries much of the loads. The belly stresses are such that some weight can be saved with the .016. Tom Faulkner N801TP 80 hrs. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:50 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Bottom Fuselage Skin ..016 has worked out fine on my beast. As Larry said it is probably noisi er but mine is so loud now I can't hear anything but horsepower. . Al so when you get ready to tie into the front bottom skin you will better luck with the thinner stuff. The thicker skin will help give better pro tection for those gear up landing though... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Dave Ruddiman" wrote: ast.net> Larry, I was planning on using .025 because that's what most of the rest is. I' m not disputing your suggestion but, why .020 instead of .025? Do you have any idea why the thinner material on the belly where it seems like it would need the protection? Thanks, Dave ----- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:21 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Gull-wing Doors From: "steveadams" I am sure that you could adapt a similar designed canopy to the 601, however it would have to be built from scratch, not a modification of the 640 canopy because the dimensions are all different. In the 640 it is a structural component of the fuselage, tying the upper 1/2 of the firewall into the fuselage. It is also quite complex, made completely of carbon fiber, with many areas a sandwiched structure with an inner and outer layup. Since it wouldn't be primarily structural in a 601, you could probably make a much simpler design and use fiberglass rather than carbon fiber however it would have to be pretty sturdy to give adequate support to the doors and the roll over protection you are looking for. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94953#94953 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:17 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Gull-wing Doors From: "ashontz" steveadams wrote: > I am sure that you could adapt a similar designed canopy to the 601, however it would have to be built from scratch, not a modification of the 640 canopy because the dimensions are all different. In the 640 it is a structural component of the fuselage, tying the upper 1/2 of the firewall into the fuselage. It is also quite complex, made completely of carbon fiber, with many areas a sandwiched structure with an inner and outer layup. Since it wouldn't be primarily structural in a 601, you could probably make a much simpler design and use fiberglass rather than carbon fiber however it would have to be pretty sturdy to give adequate support to the doors and the roll over protection you are looking for. Also, being a very well made $4000 piece of the 640, it is definitely not cheap. Good info. I was wondering it was structural or not in the 640. Obviously it wouldn't be in the 601XL so the contruction woould be easier. I'm going to have to look into this. -------- CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94956#94956 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:51 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH 701 failed landing attempt From: "blackbird" Thanks guys for the imput..........I am currently building a Kolbra..... I knew that a lot of people watch these lists.....Matt sure does a great job. Once again thanks for the information. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94969#94969 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:56 AM PST US From: "C Smith" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Anyone have the SKU for the sale price? I just searched HF for "rivet" and lowest price I could find on the 93458-3VGA 3/16 air hyd. Riveter is 26.99. As for convenience of use.. Rodney, have you tried a swivel hose attachment? ITEM 46123-2VGA Or ITEM 7535-3VGA Thanks for the tip. Craig Smith -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Mikesell Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:26 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun --> I have been using Harbor Freight rivet pullers for years. I have even pulled Cherry #6 with them repairing working rivets on DeHavilland Twin Otter struts. Best deal out there, my oldest one is 4 years old and still working without a problem. David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-224-4485 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodney Mills" Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:47 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun > > Listers, > I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build with up to > now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and creating smiley's even > with pressure set as low as possible and flow controls being used. I > recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and tried it today > installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil, no bounce > and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun is not as > comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward position but the > results in my case were far superior to my Zenith supplied gun. I will be > buying another one of the Harbor Freight guns. If anyone is interested > they are in the current sale catalog for $19.99. What a deal , What a > deal. Just thought if anyone was looking for their first gun or a spare > this is worth looking at. I paid over $70 for Zenith gun and would not buy > again. Inquiring minds may want to know. > > Rodney Mills > Northport, Al > 601XL/ Corvair > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:10 AM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Hey Craig ,The catalog for HF is 881-C ,Key on back is BD3713 .Item # 93458-4BDB $19.99 . Hope this helps Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Smith" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun > > Anyone have the SKU for the sale price? I just searched HF for "rivet" and > lowest price I could find on the 93458-3VGA 3/16 air hyd. Riveter is > 26.99. > As for convenience of use.. > Rodney, have you tried a swivel hose attachment? > ITEM 46123-2VGA > Or > ITEM 7535-3VGA > > Thanks for the tip. > Craig Smith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David > Mikesell > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:26 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun > > --> > > I have been using Harbor Freight rivet pullers for years. I have even > pulled > Cherry #6 with them repairing working rivets on DeHavilland Twin Otter > struts. Best deal out there, my oldest one is 4 years old and still > working > without a problem. > > > David Mikesell > 23597 N. Hwy 99 > Acampo, CA 95220 > 209-224-4485 > skyguynca@skyguynca.com > www.skyguynca.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rodney Mills" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:47 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun > > >> >> Listers, >> I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build with up >> to > >> now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and creating smiley's even >> with pressure set as low as possible and flow controls being used. I >> recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and tried it today >> installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil, no bounce >> and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun is not as >> comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward position but the >> results in my case were far superior to my Zenith supplied gun. I will be >> buying another one of the Harbor Freight guns. If anyone is interested >> they are in the current sale catalog for $19.99. What a deal , What a >> deal. Just thought if anyone was looking for their first gun or a >> spare > >> this is worth looking at. I paid over $70 for Zenith gun and would not >> buy > >> again. Inquiring minds may want to know. >> >> Rodney Mills >> Northport, Al >> 601XL/ Corvair >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:25 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Last time I checked their site you have to go thru several pages to locate the various models with different prices. I think I also remember a sale item link on their home page. The various guns all look the same but have different prices. I do use a swivel attachment and it is a good idea. Dred Do Not Archive ---- C Smith wrote: > > Anyone have the SKU for the sale price? I just searched HF for "rivet" and > lowest price I could find on the 93458-3VGA 3/16 air hyd. Riveter is 26.99. > As for convenience of use.. > Rodney, have you tried a swivel hose attachment? > ITEM 46123-2VGA > Or > ITEM 7535-3VGA > > Thanks for the tip. > Craig Smith ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:01 AM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rivit Gun Here is a link to the one I have been using. I have two of them and both work fine. The one I have had for 4 years is a bit bigger than this one but they don't make it anymore. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=93458 David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-224-4485 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John Brumpton To: skyguynca@skyguynca.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:14 AM Subject: Rivit Gun Hi David Could you tell me the make & model of riviter you purchased & possibly a link would be appreciated Thanks John ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:29 AM PST US From: Josh Wilson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun I built the tail section with the rivet gun and also had trouble with smiley's...I started using the hand riveter on the wings and I was surprised how quickly that went...It seems like a lot of rivets to pull by hand, but the hand riveter works great... Working on wings --- C Smith wrote: > > > Anyone have the SKU for the sale price? I just > searched HF for "rivet" and > lowest price I could find on the 93458-3VGA 3/16 air > hyd. Riveter is 26.99. > As for convenience of use.. > Rodney, have you tried a swivel hose attachment? > ITEM 46123-2VGA > Or > ITEM 7535-3VGA > > Thanks for the tip. > Craig Smith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of David Mikesell > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:26 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun > > --> > > I have been using Harbor Freight rivet pullers for > years. I have even pulled > Cherry #6 with them repairing working rivets on > DeHavilland Twin Otter > struts. Best deal out there, my oldest one is 4 > years old and still working > without a problem. > > > David Mikesell > 23597 N. Hwy 99 > Acampo, CA 95220 > 209-224-4485 > skyguynca@skyguynca.com > www.skyguynca.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rodney Mills" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:47 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun > > > > > > > Listers, > > I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have > used it to build with up to > > > now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and > creating smiley's even > > with pressure set as low as possible and flow > controls being used. I > > recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and > tried it today > > installing wing skins. This gun has very little or > no recoil, no bounce > > and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor > Freight gun is not as > > comfortable to use and the air line is in an > awkward position but the > > results in my case were far superior to my Zenith > supplied gun. I will be > > buying another one of the Harbor Freight guns. If > anyone is interested > > they are in the current sale catalog for $19.99. > What a deal , What a > > deal. Just thought if anyone was looking for > their first gun or a spare > > > this is worth looking at. I paid over $70 for > Zenith gun and would not buy > > > again. Inquiring minds may want to know. > > > > Rodney Mills > > Northport, Al > > 601XL/ Corvair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:31 AM PST US From: "Nancy" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Listers, I also use one from H.F. I use a regulator at the compressor and one of their swivels with an adjustable restrictor at the gun so it pulls the rivet at a slower speed. Works great. Lynn 601XL / Corvair Building fuselage currently ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodney Mills" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:47 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun > > Listers, > I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build with up > to now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and creating smiley's > even with pressure set as low as possible and flow controls being used. > I recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and tried it today > installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil, no bounce > and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun is not as > comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward position but the > results in my case were far superior to my Zenith supplied gun. I will > be buying another one of the Harbor Freight guns. If anyone is > interested they are in the current sale catalog for $19.99. What a deal > , What a deal. Just thought if anyone was looking for their first gun > or a spare this is worth looking at. I paid over $70 for Zenith gun and > would not buy again. Inquiring minds may want to know. > > Rodney Mills > Northport, Al > 601XL/ Corvair > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:19 AM PST US From: "C Smith" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Thanks a bunch Wade, that's exactly what I needed! Do not archive Craig Smith -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wade jones Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun --> Hey Craig ,The catalog for HF is 881-C ,Key on back is BD3713 .Item # 93458-4BDB $19.99 . Hope this helps Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Smith" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun > --> > > Anyone have the SKU for the sale price? I just searched HF for "rivet" > and lowest price I could find on the 93458-3VGA 3/16 air hyd. Riveter > is 26.99. > As for convenience of use.. > Rodney, have you tried a swivel hose attachment? > ITEM 46123-2VGA > Or > ITEM 7535-3VGA > > Thanks for the tip. > Craig Smith ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:48 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun All, I have received one of these types of rivet guns for Christmas, (my wife), but haven't had any time to use it. I did read through the directions, about the "Priming" part. Mine does have some oil in it, but I am not sure if the amout is correct. The directions are very "UNCLEAR" about how much oil to add. It just says fill the cap full, What Cap? Any info would be helpfull. Keith CH701 -- not riveting, but cutting and forming ribs **************************************************************** Rodney Mills wrote: > > Listers, > I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build with > up to now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and creating > smiley's even with pressure set as low as possible and flow controls > being used. I recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and tried > it today installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil, > no bounce and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun > is not as comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward > position but the results in my case were far superior to my Zenith > supplied gun. I will be buying another one of the Harbor Freight > guns. If anyone is interested they are in the current sale catalog > for $19.99. What a deal , What a deal. Just thought if anyone was > looking for their first gun or a spare this is worth looking at. I > paid over $70 for Zenith gun and would not buy again. Inquiring minds > may want to know. > > Rodney Mills > Northport, Al > 601XL/ Corvair > > -- ************************************* *Keith Ashcraft* ITT 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:55 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Riveter Heaven do not archive Listers and Lurkers, Like many, I purchased the ZAC-supplied clunker. Not one, but TWO. Boy was that a mistake! To make a short story shorter, I bought a PRG510 made by Emhart (firm which makes the POP brand, and other, rivets). A REAL regulator (not just a pinch-off needle valve) and this gun, makes riveting easy, smooth, etc. If you've ever welded with a "cracker box" welder, then used a smooth DC machine, you'll know what difference there was in that deal. Same with the PRG510. The trigger is "variable"......you can pull a rivet as slowly as you wish. It is not a snap-action process leaving smiley faces, dents, screwed-up crooked rivets, etc. They ain't cheap, but it is a darned good piece of equipment. The Emhart web site has pdf's showing parts; and you can get repair work.....not that you'll need it. Try getting replacement parts for those twenty-dollar items from Harold's Frate & Hamburgers. One other comment....a "burr" will deform/hollow-out the Emhart nosepiece same as those supplied by ZAC. If you purchase one of these, look over the pdf's first; get all the nose pieces & extras to drill out on the same order. Comes with a short "whip" hose, you supply quick-connect to air line. Don't own stock in Emhart. Regards to all, Zed/701/912/90-plus percent/not the "baby's daddy" ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:50 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Not sure about the priming amount Keith. I've had one since 2002 and it has built two ultralights and is still working on the 601XL. All I have done is to put 2 - 4 drops of light machine oil, like 3 in 1 oil, in the inlet before every use. That has worked fine for mine. Dred Do Not Archive ---- Keith Ashcraft wrote: > All, I have received one of these types of rivet guns for Christmas, (my > wife), but haven't had any time to use it. I did read through the > directions, about the "Priming" part. Mine does have some oil in it, but > I am not sure if the amout is correct. The directions are very "UNCLEAR" > about how much oil to add. It just says fill the cap full, What Cap? > > Any info would be helpfull. > > Keith > CH701 -- not riveting, but cutting and forming ribs > **************************************************************** > > Rodney Mills wrote: > > > > > Listers, > > I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build with > > up to now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and creating > > smiley's even with pressure set as low as possible and flow controls > > being used. I recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and tried > > it today installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil, > > no bounce and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun > > is not as comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward > > position but the results in my case were far superior to my Zenith > > supplied gun. I will be buying another one of the Harbor Freight > > guns. If anyone is interested they are in the current sale catalog > > for $19.99. What a deal , What a deal. Just thought if anyone was > > looking for their first gun or a spare this is worth looking at. I > > paid over $70 for Zenith gun and would not buy again. Inquiring minds > > may want to know. > > > > Rodney Mills > > Northport, Al > > 601XL/ Corvair > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ************************************* > > *Keith Ashcraft* > > ITT > > 5009 Centennial Blvd. > > Colorado Springs, CO > > 80919 > > (719) 599-1787 -- work > > (719) 332-4364 -- cell > > keith.ashcraft@itt.com > > > ************************************ > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have > received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views > or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not > necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check > this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts > no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. > ************************************ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:41 AM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Did the Zenith nose piece fit the HF gun? John Read CH701 in Colorado slats and all! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:46 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Gull-wing Doors From: caspainhower@aep.com I considered gull-wing doors also, there are a few flying out there. I ended up designing cantilever hinges so I could have a permanent windshield and rear opening canopy. I had Todd at www.toddscanopies.com build a custom canopy with a little extra headroom and a more gradual rear slope. For the scratch builders out there, he produces an excellent product at a reasonable price. Craig N601XS, 601xl, 0-235 lyc, wiring/plumbing left I see no reason why that can't be easily adaptable to the CH601XL. If you ask me the CH2000 looks just like a CH601XL except with a hardtop canopy. Doesn't even look all that difficult to make, unless I'm missing something. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:55 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun John, the gun I got from Harbor Freight and the gun I got with the tool kit through Zenith do not share the same nose pieces. I didn't even try to modify the HF nose pieces.... I shipped a set back to Zenith and they did them for a small fee. Dred ---- JohnDRead@aol.com wrote: > Did the Zenith nose piece fit the HF gun? > > John Read > CH701 in Colorado slats and all! ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:51 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: I didn't believe it till I saw it From: "Tommy Walker" You guys may have seen this 701 on UTube, but I missed it. I didn't know it would do that, plus I'm not sure I would even try. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAN6jzbhEAw Plus, here's another longer one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7DIVkrMIOU -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-035#95035 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:55 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun I sidestepped the whole pneumatic riveter bit. I discovered an electric drill attachment called RiveDrill, from Isham, Inc. I actually used two of them, one set up for A4 rivets and one for A5s. I nearly broke my hands pulling A5s before I got the RiveDrill. Makes pulling rivets a cinch with no chance of smileys. Tight spots still require a hand puller. I got one from Ace Hardware with a swiveling head that works much better than the one I got from ZAC. I cupped the nose pieces myself, with good results. (I don't work for RiveDrill, Isham or Ace, but I can sure vouch for their products) Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:35 AM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Riveter Heaven I have a regulator at my airdyer and one at the gun, real regulators and it makes pulling very smooth with no recoil. David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-224-4485 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zed Smith" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:24 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Riveter Heaven > > do not archive > > Listers and Lurkers, > > Like many, I purchased the ZAC-supplied clunker. Not one, but TWO. Boy > was that a mistake! > > To make a short story shorter, I bought a PRG510 made by Emhart (firm > which makes the POP brand, and other, rivets). > > A REAL regulator (not just a pinch-off needle valve) and this gun, makes > riveting easy, smooth, etc. > > If you've ever welded with a "cracker box" welder, then used a smooth DC > machine, you'll know what difference there was in that deal. > Same with the PRG510. The trigger is "variable"......you can pull a rivet > as slowly as you wish. It is not a snap-action process leaving smiley > faces, dents, screwed-up crooked rivets, etc. > > They ain't cheap, but it is a darned good piece of equipment. The Emhart > web site has pdf's showing parts; and you can get repair work.....not that > you'll need it. > Try getting replacement parts for those twenty-dollar items from Harold's > Frate & Hamburgers. > > One other comment....a "burr" will deform/hollow-out the Emhart nosepiece > same as those supplied by ZAC. > > If you purchase one of these, look over the pdf's first; get all the nose > pieces & extras to drill out on the same order. Comes with a short "whip" > hose, you supply quick-connect to air line. > > Don't own stock in Emhart. > > Regards to all, > > Zed/701/912/90-plus percent/not the "baby's daddy" > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:45 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH 701 failed landing attempt Well, if no one on the list has one to sell, you can contact Zenith. info@zenithair.com I'm sure they can sell you one. > > > Can anyone tell us where to get a leading edge slat for the right wing... > > Neither of us are builders....He would like to buy one... > -- Bryan Martin Zenith 601XL N61BM Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:49 PM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Everybody spends money somewhere. Some here some there. I got a Huck 175 riveter. Lots of power, no kick back, very compact and light, lots of money! I'm happy. Aaron Gustafson 601 HD 11 years fly in two months????? 0-200 do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:52 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Hey Keith ,I had the same questions . Use as is ,just add a couple of drops of the oil supplied into the air inlet of the rivet gun . Mine has caused no problems after pulling a couple thousand rivets (lots more to go ). Do not Archive Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Ashcraft To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun All, I have received one of these types of rivet guns for Christmas, (my wife), but haven't had any time to use it. I did read through the directions, about the "Priming" part. Mine does have some oil in it, but I am not sure if the amout is correct. The directions are very "UNCLEAR" about how much oil to add. It just says fill the cap full, What Cap? Any info would be helpfull. Keith CH701 -- not riveting, but cutting and forming ribs **************************************************************** Rodney Mills wrote: Listers, I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build with up to now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and creating smiley's even with pressure set as low as possible and flow controls being used. I recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and tried it today installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil, no bounce and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun is not as comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward position but the results in my case were far superior to my Zenith supplied gun. I will be buying another one of the Harbor Freight guns. If anyone is interested they are in the current sale catalog for $19.99. What a deal , What a deal. Just thought if anyone was looking for their first gun or a spare this is worth looking at. I paid over $70 for Zenith gun and would not buy again. Inquiring minds may want to know. Rodney Mills Northport, Al 601XL/ Corvair -- ************************************* Keith Ashcraft ITT 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:47 PM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Riveter Heaven I too had problems with the ZAC riveter. Bought a second one because there just "had to be something wrong with that thing." Second riveter didn't help. Then I bought a real air pressure regulator and all my problems went away. Now I have very little recoil, no smileys and a riveter for both sizes of rivets. I even got really lazy and bought a second regulator so I don't have to readjust when I change rivet sizes. CJ do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:46 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Com Antenna Wingtip From: japhillipsga@aol.com Dear Thread Friends, anybody ever install one of the Bob Archer type com antenna in their wingtips ? How was it to install and what kind of performance do you achieve ? I think I remember an article in Kitplanes some years ago detailing how to build it. Does anybody remember same or have the article ? best regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 104 hours ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:27 PM PST US From: Elwood140@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun In a message dated 2/14/2007 2:17:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, agustafson@chartermi.net writes: Everybody spends money somewhere. Some here some there. I got a Huck 175 riveter. Lots of power, no kick back, very compact and light, lots of money! I'm happy. Aaron, I'm convinced. Where can one buy a Huck 175? Larry Wood (N701LW will fly this year?) ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:20 PM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun All, thanks for the info. Keith ************************************************************************* wade jones wrote: > Hey Keith ,I had the same questions . Use as is ,just add a couple of > drops of the oil supplied into the air inlet of the rivet gun . Mine > has caused no problems after pulling a couple thousand rivets (lots > more to go ). > Do not Archive > Wade Jones South Texas > 601XL plans building > Cont. 0200 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Keith Ashcraft > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:15 AM > *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun > > All, I have received one of these types of rivet guns for > Christmas, (my wife), but haven't had any time to use it. I did > read through the directions, about the "Priming" part. Mine does > have some oil in it, but I am not sure if the amout is correct. > The directions are very "UNCLEAR" about how much oil to add. It > just says fill the cap full, What Cap? > > Any info would be helpfull. > > Keith > CH701 -- not riveting, but cutting and forming ribs > **************************************************************** > > Rodney Mills wrote: > >> >> >> Listers, >> I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build >> with up to now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and >> creating smiley's even with pressure set as low as possible and >> flow controls being used. I recently purchased the gun from >> Harbor Freight and tried it today installing wing skins. This gun >> has very little or no recoil, no bounce and not a smiley on the >> entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun is not as comfortable to use >> and the air line is in an awkward position but the results in my >> case were far superior to my Zenith supplied gun. I will be >> buying another one of the Harbor Freight guns. If anyone is >> interested they are in the current sale catalog for $19.99. What >> a deal , What a deal. Just thought if anyone was looking for >> their first gun or a spare this is worth looking at. I paid over >> $70 for Zenith gun and would not buy again. Inquiring minds may >> want to know. >> >> Rodney Mills >> Northport, Al >> 601XL/ Corvair >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > > ************************************* > > *Keith Ashcraft* > > ITT > > 5009 Centennial Blvd. > > Colorado Springs, CO > > 80919 > > (719) 599-1787 -- work > > (719) 332-4364 -- cell > > keith.ashcraft@itt.com > >************************************ >This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely >for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have >received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views >or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not >necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check >this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts >no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. >************************************ > > >* > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > >* > >* > > >* > -- ************************************* *Keith Ashcraft* ITT 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:38 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Rivit Gun list, switching from the rivet duhick thing for a minute, is everyone getting the suggested deflection on the elevator of 27 plus degrees up elevator. I have struggled to get there. I checked dimensions of all pieces of control structure and all are to specs. I asked the question before with no response from anyone.. DOes that mean everyone's elevator throws are as per plans? Juan -----Original Message----- >From: David Mikesell >Sent: Feb 14, 2007 10:55 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com, John Brumpton >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rivit Gun > >Here is a link to the one I have been using. I have two of them and both work fine. The one I have had for 4 years is a bit bigger than this one but they don't make it anymore. > >http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=93458 > > >David Mikesell >23597 N. Hwy 99 >Acampo, CA 95220 >209-224-4485 >skyguynca@skyguynca.com >www.skyguynca.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Brumpton > To: skyguynca@skyguynca.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:14 AM > Subject: Rivit Gun > > > Hi David > Could you tell me the make & model of riviter you purchased & possibly a link would be appreciated > Thanks > John ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:58 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Rivit Gun Dave- I got the little HF riveter on a super sale for $19.95 to try it out. I figured if it didn't work, I was only out $20. I absolutely love it! Perfect pull every time and no contribution to your carpal tunnel. One thing. They give you maybe 3cc of oil and say "Don't overfill". I used the whole capsule and it took probably 500 rivets to get the riveter to quit spraying oil all over my hands! Good building. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: David Mikesell To: zenith-list@matronics.com ; John Brumpton Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rivit Gun Here is a link to the one I have been using. I have two of them and both work fine. The one I have had for 4 years is a bit bigger than this one but they don't make it anymore. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=93458 David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-224-4485 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John Brumpton To: skyguynca@skyguynca.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:14 AM Subject: Rivit Gun Hi David Could you tell me the make & model of riviter you purchased & possibly a link would be appreciated Thanks John ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:59 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: I didn't believe it till I saw it From: "Chris Lewis" There's a photo on the Zenith Website showing a Swedish 701 just about to nose over and it says "Don't try this at home" Interesting that they'd post it... Chris in Seattle -------- 701 Scratch Builder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-115#95115 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/viz03loop_147.jpg ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:44 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun John- I used a ball mill in my drill press to cut the majority of the concave recess, then touched it up with a Dremel. Chuck a rivet and insert it in the nosepiece hole to line things up, then clamp in your vise. Took me maybe 15 minutes to do the whole set. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: JohnDRead@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Did the Zenith nose piece fit the HF gun? John Read CH701 in Colorado slats and all! ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:35 PM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun >>> Where can one buy a Huck 175? Google Huck AK-175 and search for best price. REMEMBER I said it was "lots of money". do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:47 PM PST US From: "C Smith" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun try http://www.toolsusa.com/asp/item_detail.asp?T1=PBE+RSR+4766 &GENB=&UID or http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/hucak175a.html or http://www.toolfetch.com/Category--Air_Tools--Specialty_Air_Tool--HUCAK175A. shtml and http://www.alcoa.com/fastening_systems/commercial/en/product.asp?cat_id=564 &prod_id=2859 Just a few from a quick Google Craig Smith _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elwood140@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun In a message dated 2/14/2007 2:17:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, agustafson@chartermi.net writes: Everybody spends money somewhere. Some here some there. I got a Huck 175 riveter. Lots of power, no kick back, very compact and light, lots of money! I'm happy. Aaron, I'm convinced. Where can one buy a Huck 175? Larry Wood (N701LW will fly this year?) ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:47 PM PST US From: "Brian Bowen" Subject: Zenith-List: Landing Gear for CH701 Scatch built Hi there, Anyone out there gone through the process of bending the main landing gear spring? Really could use some input or thoughts on this mystery. Thanks brianbowen_@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Find out the restaurants participating in Winterlicious http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=43.658648~-79.383962&style=r&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3702663&cid=7ABE80D1746919B4!1329 >From January 26 to February 8, 2007 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:37 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun This is getting to be another "Scotchbrite" thread. One would think that a fine group of brilliant and distinguished gentleman such as ourselves, would have another topic that really needs the hell beat out of it ? Bill of Georgia do not archive ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:04 PM PST US From: Terry Turnquist Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Yeah, Bill...about as spellbinding as aluminum polishing. I can't wait till the next post! LOL Do not Archive Terry JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: This is getting to be another "Scotchbrite" thread. One would think that a fine group of brilliant and distinguished gentleman such as ourselves, would have another topic that really needs the hell beat out of it ? Bill of Georgia do not archive --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:26 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Rookie question here Bill. Where can I buy a ball mill? Dred ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun John- I used a ball mill in my drill press to cut the majority of the concave recess, then touched it up with a Dremel. Chuck a rivet and insert it in the nosepiece hole to line things up, then clamp in your vise. Took me maybe 15 minutes to do the whole set. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:17 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun >From the archives: The Dremel works fine and fast, use a small green round ball (silicon carbide) or any other stone that has a point or round end, Put the riviet gun head in the lathe chuck and while spinning it, fire off the moto-tool, hold it with both hands braced against whatever is nearby, and shape the end in a nice conical shape, starting from the hole in the center and working outward, keep the cone shallow, you can always go deeper. No gottem lathe? Sure you do, put your fastest turning pistol grip drill motor in your workbench vise, usually upside down with pistol grip up, (up is towards the sky for you airplane builders!) tighten vise enough to hold drill case, not crushing it where the armature will never turn again! Place the rivet head in the drill chuck and lock the trigger back and grind away. Takes longer to describe than to do, finish with emery cloth if your stones grind course. Hope this helps. Regards, Randy L. Thwing, 701/plans do not archive John- I used a ball mill in my drill press to cut the majority of the concave recess, then touched it up with a Dremel. Chuck a rivet and insert it in the nosepiece hole to line things up, then clamp in your vise. Took me maybe 15 minutes to do the whole set. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:14 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun At any supply house for machine shop tooling. Bill, what diameter mill did you use for each size? Accomplishing the job solely with the Dremel works fine as per previous instructions. For ALL machine shop needs go here: www.mscdirect.com Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Moody II To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Rookie question here Bill. Where can I buy a ball mill? Dred ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun John- I used a ball mill in my drill press to cut the majority of the concave recess, then touched it up with a Dremel. Chuck a rivet and insert it in the nosepiece hole to line things up, then clamp in your vise. Took me maybe 15 minutes to do the whole set. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 2/10/2007 9:15 PM ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:54 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun - cutting the forming feature in the nose. Hi Ed, You can buy a ball end mill at Traver's tool or MSC or any number of other cutting tool places. I tried that the first time to make the concave cutout in the riveter nose piece with medium results. I got much better results with a little round stone or steel cutter in a Dremmel tool. When I did my nose pieces I mounted the old nose piece in a metal lathe and cut the curved spot in the face of the nose piece while turning the lathe. For those who don't have a metal lathe handy, you can probably do just as well my mounting the nose piece in a drill press or even a hand drill and spinning it while grinding and/or cutting the face. It helps if you start by marking the outside diameter of the cutout on the nosepiece with a magic marker before you start. This will be the same size as the round flat part of the rivet before setting. I went through a process of cutting the nose piece and then testing its use on the desired rivets. I checked for the shape I wanted and flat edges against the "Skin" of the riveted piece. Adjustments can be made in one direction by making the concave shape deeper. Adjustments in the other direction can be made by filing the end of the nose piece down a little. Finishing of the nose piece can be done with abrasive cloth or even the dreaded Scotchbrite pads. Paul XL fuselage >Rookie question here Bill. Where can I buy a ball mill? > >Dred > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:31 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun A small point Bill: Some noses are hardened, did you have to anneal the nose prior to using the end mill? If one tries to use a end mill on a hardened nose, you could easily ruin your new end mill. If you go this route, try filing a non critical area of the nose with the corner of a file. If a file skates on the surface, it is hardened. If the file cuts a groove, it is not. If your file won't cut it, your HSS end mill won't cut it. Now a very spendy SOLID tungsten carbide end mill will cut hardened steel, but is not worth the cost for this job. Dremel grinding stones (abrasives) don't care if the steel is hard or not. Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive John- I used a ball mill in my drill press to cut the majority of the concave recess, then touched it up with a Dremel. Chuck a rivet and insert it in the nosepiece hole to line things up, then clamp in your vise. Took me maybe 15 minutes to do the whole set. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:25 PM PST US From: "Ryan Vechinski" Subject: Zenith-List: Routers List, I was looking at routers today, as I think I am going to buy one to help with rib forms, and I'm going to try the routing method for cutting rib blanks. Does it make a difference when cutting aluminum to get a variable speed router? I will only use this for the airplane, so I don't need a wood worker's dream router; just something to last a little while. ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:58 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Routers I try and cut as much as I can with a router... you can get by with the cheapest one you can find but what matters is the bit. Get a really good laminate bit with a bearing and you will love the clean straight edges you will end up with. do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.