---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/15/07: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:30 AM - routers (Brett Hanley) 2. 04:07 AM - Re: Routers (MacDonald Doug) 3. 06:02 AM - Re: Routers (Ryan Vechinski) 4. 06:21 AM - Re: Rivet Gun (Jaybannist@cs.com) 5. 06:42 AM - Radio Problem (Al Young) 6. 07:04 AM - Re: Routers (C Smith) 7. 07:33 AM - Re: Routers (Dino Bortolin) 8. 07:39 AM - Re: Landing Gear for CH701 Scatch built (Keith Ashcraft) 9. 08:05 AM - Re: Radio problem (Zed Smith) 10. 10:46 AM - Re: routers (j. davis) 11. 11:30 AM - Help!!!! (Zed Smith) 12. 12:01 PM - Rivet gun (Rodney Mills) 13. 12:12 PM - Not exactly aircraft (Trainnut01@AOL.COM) 14. 12:34 PM - Re: Not exactly aircraft (Clyde Barcus) 15. 12:35 PM - Re: Radio Problem (Bryan Martin) 16. 12:42 PM - Re: Not exactly aircraft (NYTerminat@aol.com) 17. 12:50 PM - Re: Not exactly aircraft (Trainnut01@aol.com) 18. 12:52 PM - Re: Help!!!! (Bryan Martin) 19. 12:56 PM - Re: Radio Problem (japhillipsga@aol.com) 20. 01:13 PM - Re: Not exactly aircraft (Bryan Martin) 21. 01:28 PM - "Transitions" lenses (George Swinford) 22. 01:50 PM - Re: "Transitions" lenses (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 23. 01:59 PM - Re: Help!!!! (William Condon) 24. 02:10 PM - Re: Help!!!! (Ryan Vechinski) 25. 02:44 PM - Re: Not exactly aircraft (ken smith) 26. 03:30 PM - 601 xl looking for some dimension (alex_001) 27. 03:45 PM - Re: (David Downey) 28. 03:54 PM - Re: "Transitions" lenses (George Swinford) 29. 04:01 PM - Re: Not exactly aircraft (Bill Naumuk) 30. 04:13 PM - Re: Radio Problem (Al Young) 31. 04:16 PM - Rivet Gun (Mike O'Connor) 32. 04:22 PM - Re: Help!!!! (Bryan Martin) 33. 04:33 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (Bill Naumuk) 34. 04:37 PM - Re: Rivet Gun (Bryan Martin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:06 AM PST US From: Brett Hanley Subject: Zenith-List: routers I have a good bit of experience with routers. I like the Rigged laminate t rim router from Home Depot the best for cutting thin aluminum. It will acc ept a Porter Cable template guide in its base. Also a good carbide straigh t flute bit of 1/8 or 1/4 depending on what size template guide you have. Grizzly Tool Company as a great book out on the use of a routers. With the right templates and a little skill it is one of the most versatile tools i n the shop.=0A =0ABrett ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:12 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Routers Personally, I used a basic older Sears router mounted in my fathers home made router table. With a little practice it work quite well. A couple of items worth mentioning are first, be prepared for a mess. My Dad's table has a 4hp shopvac connected to a dust hood and aluminum shavings still got everywhere. Second, make darn sure that you have both eye and ear protection while using a router. The high pitch whine is the perfect frequency and volume to destroy hearing over a relatively short period of time(just ask dear old Dad). The eye protection is due to all of the metal shavings flying around. Another item to keep in mind is, keep the amount you are trimming less than the diameter of the router bit. I found the vibration level too high if you try cutting with more than one side of the router bit. Overall this is an excellent way to cut parts blanks. A quick touch-up with a file or flapper disk (Homebuilthelp.com scratchbuilding video) and you are all set for flanging. It is a good place to start on a project to get used to working with aluminum. Hope this info is of some use I suppose this could be a good tip for the Archives. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada Sitting on the wheels (temporarily) for the first time. No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:33 AM PST US From: "Ryan Vechinski" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Routers Thanks for the replies everyone. I have a couple of Porter Cable router bits, which I've heard are good quality. They have worked fine on wood so far. Anyone have any comment on the variable speed routers? Do I need that option before cutting aluminum? -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MacDonald Doug Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:07 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Routers Personally, I used a basic older Sears router mounted in my fathers home made router table. With a little practice it work quite well. A couple of items worth mentioning are first, be prepared for a mess. My Dad's table has a 4hp shopvac connected to a dust hood and aluminum shavings still got everywhere. Second, make darn sure that you have both eye and ear protection while using a router. The high pitch whine is the perfect frequency and volume to destroy hearing over a relatively short period of time(just ask dear old Dad). The eye protection is due to all of the metal shavings flying around. Another item to keep in mind is, keep the amount you are trimming less than the diameter of the router bit. I found the vibration level too high if you try cutting with more than one side of the router bit. Overall this is an excellent way to cut parts blanks. A quick touch-up with a file or flapper disk (Homebuilthelp.com scratchbuilding video) and you are all set for flanging. It is a good place to start on a project to get used to working with aluminum. Hope this info is of some use I suppose this could be a good tip for the Archives. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada Sitting on the wheels (temporarily) for the first time. No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:58 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun If the nose piece is hardened, you can easily "soften" it. Just heat it up to a cherry red with a propane torch and let it cool (don't quench). Then you can shape it with a Dremel and a metal-cutting bit or an abrasive bit. I found the metal cutting bit best. This procedure will not substantially decrease the durability of the nose piece. Jay in Dallas Do not archive "Randy L. Thwing" wrote: >A small point Bill: > Some noses are hardened, did you have to anneal the nose prior to using the end mill? If one tries to use a end mill on a hardened nose, you could easily ruin your new end mill. If you go this route, try filing a non critical area of the nose with the corner of a file. If a file skates on the surface, it is hardened. If the file cuts a groove, it is not. If your file won't cut it, your HSS end mill won't cut it. Now a very spendy SOLID tungsten carbide end mill will cut hardened steel, but is not worth the cost for this job. Dremel grinding stones (abrasives) don't care if the steel is hard or not. > >Regards, > >Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive > > >John- > I used a ball mill in my drill press to cut the majority of the concave recess, then touched it up with a Dremel. Chuck a rivet and insert it in the nosepiece hole to line things up, then clamp in your vise. Took me maybe 15 minutes to do the whole set. > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuselage > Townville, Pa > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:07 AM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Zenith-List: Radio Problem Here is my set up: Ky-97A comm- Flightcom 403 intercom- Allen grip control (trim-PTT). Problem: Won't transmit. I can receive other xmissions and the TX lights up on the Ky97A when I push the PTT from either control (Pilot or Co-Pilot) If you listen to another radio, you can hear a weak carrier when you push the PTT but no voice. I can't get the plane to a Avionics shop since I have not flown off the req 40 hrs yet. The radio has been sent out to a avionics shop and declared as OK. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. Al Young N601AY ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:36 AM PST US From: "C Smith" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Routers Hope this doesn't start a flame, but has anyone seen the new Sears craftsman CNC router. http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?vertical=TOOL&cat=Bench+Power+Tool s&subcat=Jointers%2C+Planers+%26+Shapers&pid=00921754000&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes It's pricey, but it seems a group of builders could pool together and turn out some pretty decent parts. The table accepts stock up to 14.5" wide and an unlimited length. Heck, you could start up a co-op to produce parts fast and cheap. I just thought it was interesting. Craig Smith ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:18 AM PST US From: "Dino Bortolin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Routers I'm using an old, basic Rotozip-style router, single speed, that my brother picked up at a yard sale for $5. It cuts aluminum beautifully and I haven't wished for anything fancier. I also bought a round-over bit which I use to radius the form blocks. Dino Bortolin La Salle, Ontario XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:03 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing Gear for CH701 Scatch built Brian, I sent you an email to your personal address, with some information. Keith ********************************************************************** Brian Bowen wrote: > > > Hi there, > Anyone out there gone through the process of bending the main landing > gear spring? > Really could use some input or thoughts on this mystery. > Thanks > brianbowen_@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find out the restaurants participating in Winterlicious > http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=43.658648~-79.383962&style=r&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3702663&cid=7ABE80D1746919B4!1329 > > >> From January 26 to February 8, 2007 > > -- ************************************* *Keith Ashcraft* ITT 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:46 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Radio problem do not archive Try another microphone or headset. If that doesn't work check your wiring. It is real easy to get on the wrong pin if you went directly to the rear of the radio. It is also easy to reverse MIC HIGH & Ground. Moulded plastic plugs usually have extremely small, little bitty, tiny, invisible, hard-to-read letters/numbers moulded into the plug shell. A giant magnifying glass and proper lighting will help. If you have the usual mic/earphone set of jacks (one larger in diameter than the other) and the intercom is in the mix, try bypassing the intercom. In other words, walk through it one piece of equipment at a time......make the radio work from each input first, then add the intercom. The solder tabs on typical mic/ear jacks are easy to mis-connect......eyeball carefully. Bottom line is this: If it was bench-checked and found okay then it is some minor error in the wiring and therefore you will never find it because all the trees are obscured by the forest........really difficult to find one's own mistake. Regards, Zed//etc ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:21 AM PST US From: "j. davis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: routers See how I did it: http://cleco.ca then click Homebuilding How-to then Routed Ribs. No variable speed, cut 10-12 blanks at a time! Brett Hanley wrote: > --> > I have a good bit of experience with routers. I like the Rigged > laminate trim router from Home Depot the best for cutting thin > aluminum. It will accept a Porter Cable template guide in its base. > Also a good carbide straight flute bit of 1/8 or 1/4 depending on what > size template guide you have. Grizzly Tool Company as a great book out > on the use of a routers. With the right templates and a little skill it > is one of the most versatile tools in the shop. > > Brett > > * > > > * -- Regards, J. flying: Zenith STOL CH701/912 C-IGGY, 350 hrs. building: Sonex #325, Jabiru 3300/6, 85% completed ------------------------------------------------- J. Davis, M.Sc. (computer science) *NIX consulting, SysAdmin email: jd at lawsonimaging.ca voice: 519.289.1527 http://www.cleco.ca c/o Brandywine Aviation 5507 Irish Dr., Appin, ON N42 47.33 W081 36.50 31/13 2000+ x 60', elev: 740' ------------------------------------------------- To most people the sky is the limit. To those who love aviation, the sky is home. Winners do what losers don't want to do. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:28 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Help!!!! do not archive, please! List, If memory serves, there are some members who are either engineers or mathmaticians, or both. The attached isn't directly airplane-related, but the source of the attachment tells me there was/is a pilot involved. Anyway, the question is: What, exactly, is the amount involved? Must have been some spirited/heated discussions earlier. Regards to all, Let the "NOT AIRCRAFT RELATED" flames begin. Zed pdf attached ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:33 PM PST US From: Rodney Mills Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet gun Guys Not to beat a dead horse but I do have a proper regulator and a flow restrictor on my Zenith supplied gun--no help with recoil. John, my nose pieces supplied with the Zenith gun do fit my HF gun. Rodney Mills 601XL/ Corvair ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:07 PM PST US From: Trainnut01@AOL.COM Subject: Zenith-List: Not exactly aircraft Hey Gang Has any one had any experience using "Transitions" eyeglass lenses in the cockpit? I almost bought a pair today but was told that they react to ultraviolet light and that the plexiglass canopy would screen out the UV and prevent the lenses from darkening. Thought someone on the list might know. I don't want to spend $750.00 on an experiment. Carroll Jernigan 601XL Wings (still) do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:47 PM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Not exactly aircraft I am believe they are right, I bought transitions but the tinted windshield in my van prevented the lenses from working. I had to go back to prescription sunglasses. Regards Clyde Barcus Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Trainnut01@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Not exactly aircraft Hey Gang Has any one had any experience using "Transitions" eyeglass lenses in the cockpit? I almost bought a pair today but was told that they react to ultraviolet light and that the plexiglass canopy would screen out the UV and prevent the lenses from darkening. Thought someone on the list might know. I don't want to spend $750.00 on an experiment. Carroll Jernigan 601XL Wings (still) do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:33 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Radio Problem If the radio checks out good and you can recieve well, the antenna is good. The problem must be in the microphone wiring, the intercomm or the intercomm to comm connections. On Feb 15, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Al Young wrote: > Here is my set up: Ky-97A comm- Flightcom 403 intercom- Allen grip > control (trim-PTT). > Problem: Won't transmit. I can receive other xmissions and the TX > lights up on the Ky97A when I push the PTT from either control > (Pilot or Co-Pilot) If you listen to another radio, you can hear a > weak carrier when you push the PTT but no voice. I can't get the > plane to a Avionics shop since I have not flown off the req 40 hrs > yet. The radio has been sent out to a avionics shop and declared > as OK. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. > Al Young > N601AY -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:00 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Not exactly aircraft I use mine all the time in a 701, no problem, why $750.00? Bob Spudis In a message dated 2/15/2007 3:14:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Trainnut01@aol.com writes: Hey Gang Has any one had any experience using "Transitions" eyeglass lenses in the cockpit? I almost bought a pair today but was told that they react to ultraviolet light and that the plexiglass canopy would screen out the UV and prevent the lenses from darkening. Thought someone on the list might know. I don't want to spend $750.00 on an experiment. Carroll Jernigan 601XL Wings (still) do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:13 PM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Not exactly aircraft $750.00 was the first quote from my eye doctor' I'll be shopping that price before I buy. Carroll do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:27 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Help!!!! 0.002 + 535.492 + 1.000 = $536.494 On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:29 PM, Zed Smith wrote: > do not archive, please! > > List, > > If memory serves, there are some members who are either engineers > or mathmaticians, or both. > > The attached isn't directly airplane-related, but the source of the > attachment tells me there was/is a pilot involved. > > Anyway, the question is: What, exactly, is the amount involved? > > Must have been some spirited/heated discussions earlier. > > Regards to all, > > Let the "NOT AIRCRAFT RELATED" flames begin. > > Zed > > pdf attached > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Radio Problem From: japhillipsga@aol.com Al, that sounds much like my set up. I had a similar problem. Could receive fine, but when transmitting a high pitch whine accompanied the words. Fix was a separate ground wire from the headset jacks up to the main ground buss bar. I had thought the baggage deck where the jacks were mounted was ground enough, but not so. The separate wire fixed the problem. Maybe it will fix yours. I talked to David Cotton couple weeks ago. He said he finally got his plane parts to his hanger in Winder and was running control cables. I will try to find time to fly up there to help/ look see, but this RV-8 is using most every moment of my time so I have to have priorities. Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: armyret@mchsi.com Sent: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Radio Problem Here is my set up: Ky-97A comm- Flightcom 403 intercom- Allen grip control (trim-PTT). Problem: Won't transmit. I can receive other xmissions and the TX lights up on the Ky97A when I push the PTT from either control (Pilot or Co-Pilot) If you listen to another radio, you can hear a weak carrier when you push the PTT but no voice. I can't get the plane to a Avionics shop since I have not flown off the req 40 hrs yet. The radio has been sent out to a avionics shop and declared as OK. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. Al Young N601AY ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:42 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Not exactly aircraft According to this: http://www.plexiglas.com/literature/pdf/81.pdf Standard Plexiglas blocks the shorter UV waves but lets in some of the longer waves. Some plexiglas is treated to block even more UV. I know they don't work in a car. They are activated by the UV in sunlight but I don't know which band of UV activates them. I don't recall if the pair I had would darken in the cockpit or not. I don't think they did. I should take them out to the plane some day and try it. Personally, I would never buy them again, You need to have a separate pair of sunglasses while driving anyway, and I'm pretty sure I had to wear sunglasses in the plane also. On Feb 15, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Trainnut01@aol.com wrote: > Hey Gang > Has any one had any experience using "Transitions" eyeglass lenses > in the cockpit? I almost bought a pair today but was told that they > react to ultraviolet light and that the plexiglass canopy would > screen out the UV and prevent the lenses from darkening. Thought > someone on the list might know. I don't want to spend $750.00 on an > experiment. > Carroll Jernigan > 601XL Wings (still) > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:00 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Zenith-List: "Transitions" lenses Carroll: I wear bifocals with polycarbonate lenses. The lenses are photosensitive, they darken in sunlight. They do not darken in automobiles or airplanes. I am quite satisfied with them. I don't know the brand of the lenses. I have a pair of prescription sunglasses for flying, but often I find that I don't need them. The $750 sounds excessive to me. My optometrist will replace both pairs of glasses for less than that. I suggest shopping around some. George Do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:56 PM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: "Transitions" lenses George: I, too, wear bifocals with the Transitions photosensitive coating. Mine, however, are glass and not plastic....I seem to be very hard on glasses and they scratch very easily. I believe your polycarbonate lenses are much more scratch-resistant. Have you had regular plastic lenses so as to make a comparison? The no-line bifocals I am wearing right now, with new wire frames with spring-loaded temples and Transitions coating came from Costco for $150.00. Tracy Smith N458XL (reserved) 601XL Do Not Archive In a message dated 2/15/2007 4:29:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, grs-pms@comcast.net writes: Carroll: I wear bifocals with polycarbonate lenses. The lenses are photosensitive, they darken in sunlight. They do not darken in automobiles or airplanes. I am quite satisfied with them. I don't know the brand of the lenses. I have a pair of prescription sunglasses for flying, but often I find that I don't need them. The $750 sounds excessive to me. My optometrist will replace both pairs of glasses for less than that. I suggest shopping around some. George Do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:57 PM PST US From: "William Condon" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Help!!!! $0.002 + $(-1) + $1 = $0.002 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Martin Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Help!!!! 0.002 + 535.492 + 1.000 = $536.494 On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:29 PM, Zed Smith wrote: > do not archive, please! > > List, > > If memory serves, there are some members who are either engineers > or mathmaticians, or both. > > The attached isn't directly airplane-related, but the source of the > attachment tells me there was/is a pilot involved. > > Anyway, the question is: What, exactly, is the amount involved? > > Must have been some spirited/heated discussions earlier. > > Regards to all, > > Let the "NOT AIRCRAFT RELATED" flames begin. > > Zed > > pdf attached > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:36 PM PST US From: Ryan Vechinski Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Help!!!! Bryan, I believe the numeral preceding the "pi" is an "i", and not a "2". That would make the second argument equivalent to "cos(pi)", which is -1. So the total check would be $0.002. Must have been charging him for less than a penny?? do not archive ---------------------------------------- > From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Help!!!! > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:52:07 -0500 > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > > 0.002 + 535.492 + 1.000 = $536.494 > > On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:29 PM, Zed Smith wrote: > > > do not archive, please! > > > > List, > > > > If memory serves, there are some members who are either engineers > > or mathmaticians, or both. > > > > The attached isn't directly airplane-related, but the source of the > > attachment tells me there was/is a pilot involved. > > > > Anyway, the question is: What, exactly, is the amount involved? > > > > Must have been some spirited/heated discussions earlier. > > > > Regards to all, > > > > Let the "NOT AIRCRAFT RELATED" flames begin. > > > > Zed > > > > pdf attached > > > > > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, > RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. > do not archive. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:41 PM PST US From: ken smith Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Not exactly aircraft I have been flying with transition lens sunglasses for the past 2 years. The are the greates thing. You are able the see distance,the gages, and the charts very clearly. I have never experiecd any problem with the plexi windshields on the C172, Piper, or the 601XL. ken --- Trainnut01@aol.com wrote: > Hey Gang > Has any one had any experience using "Transitions" > eyeglass lenses in the > cockpit? I almost bought a pair today but was told > that they react to > ultraviolet light and that the plexiglass canopy > would screen out the UV and prevent > the lenses from darkening. Thought someone on the > list might know. I don't > want to spend $750.00 on an experiment. > Carroll Jernigan > 601XL Wings (still) > > do not archive > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:17 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601 xl looking for some dimension From: "alex_001" hello can someone help me with the dimensions x and y? it is for my 601 xl rtf waiting on delivery. Also looking for drawing and dimentions for footroom (Y control stick) to get carpets made. thanks for your help Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-390#95390 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/parcel_shelf_973.doc ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:36 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Thanks Juan. amd plane parked in Lantana FLA has dual stick dual throttle, flew it this week end. Dual throttle was a waste of space due to the fact that the center (copilot) throttle was more convenient than right hand on stick and left throttle for pilot. Save you self the hassle if going dual stck, and go single center throttle. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: David Downey >Sent: Feb 13, 2007 5:04 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: > >Has anyone use a dual stick, dual throttle setup? that is sort of what I had been thinking of (you know, a side by side tandem!) > >japhillipsga@aol.com wrote: Jay, I also have dual sticks in my XL and I had thought I would use the single throttle in the center somewhere. Instead I have the duals with spin friction locks. It is a little more work and $ to install two throttles, but as a right handed guy I like landing with my most coordinated hand on the stick and left hand on the go ball. If I was left handed the center throttle would be preferred for me. This question is a preference point only your taste in flying can answer. I have a couple hundred hours in 152,172 and Warriors and I always had to land left handed and I knew the other way would work better for me. Best regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 105 hours > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jaybannist@cs.com >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Sent: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 2:35 PM >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: > > .AOLPlainTextBody { margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000; background-color: #fff; } .AOLPlainTextBody pre { font-size: 9pt; } .AOLInlineAttachment { margin: 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader { font: 11px arial; border: 1px solid #7DA8D4; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { font: 11px arial; background: #B5DDFA; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { font: 11px arial; color: #000000; padding: 1px 10px 1px 9px; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { font: 11px arial; color: #000000; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader a, .AOLImage a { color: #2864B4; text-decoration: none; } .AOLAttachmentHeader a:hover, .AOLImage a:hover { color: #2864B4; text-decoration: underline; } .AOLWebSuiteCompose > .AOLPicturesFullSizeLink, .AOLWebSuite .AOLPicturesFullSizeLink { height: 1px; width: 1px; overflow: hidden; } body { background-color: white; font-family: "Verdana"; font-size: 10pt; border: 0px; } .AOLWebSuiteCompose p { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; } img.managedImg { width: 0px; height: 0px; } img.placeholder { width: 275px; height: 206px; background: #F4F4F4 center center no-repeat; border: 1px solid #DADAD6 !important; } > > >--------------------------------- > > > > Dave Downey > Harleysville (SE) PA > Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? > > > >--------------------------------- Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:54 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: "Transitions" lenses Since I switched from glass lenses, mine have all been polycarbonate. They are quite a bit lighter than glass. I think they have a higher index of refraction. I know that they are thinner. I have had no scratch problems, and I am not particularly careful. George ----- Original Message ----- From: Crvsecretary@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: "Transitions" lenses George: I, too, wear bifocals with the Transitions photosensitive coating. Mine, however, are glass and not plastic....I seem to be very hard on glasses and they scratch very easily. I believe your polycarbonate lenses are much more scratch-resistant. Have you had regular plastic lenses so as to make a comparison? The no-line bifocals I am wearing right now, with new wire frames with spring-loaded temples and Transitions coating came from Costco for $150.00. Tracy Smith N458XL (reserved) 601XL Do Not Archive In a message dated 2/15/2007 4:29:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, grs-pms@comcast.net writes: Carroll: I wear bifocals with polycarbonate lenses. The lenses are photosensitive, they darken in sunlight. They do not darken in automobiles or airplanes. I am quite satisfied with them. I don't know the brand of the lenses. I have a pair of prescription sunglasses for flying, but often I find that I don't need them. The $750 sounds excessive to me. My optometrist will replace both pairs of glasses for less than that. I suggest shopping around some. George Do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 2/14/2007 4:17 PM ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:52 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Not exactly aircraft I've worn them since they were known as "Photo-gray" and recommend them. I thought $400 for glass trifocal transitions were expensive (Glass lasts scratches much better than plastic) but your does your optometrist wear a mask? $750??!! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Trainnut01@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Not exactly aircraft Hey Gang Has any one had any experience using "Transitions" eyeglass lenses in the cockpit? I almost bought a pair today but was told that they react to ultraviolet light and that the plexiglass canopy would screen out the UV and prevent the lenses from darkening. Thought someone on the list might know. I don't want to spend $750.00 on an experiment. Carroll Jernigan 601XL Wings (still) do not archive ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:42 PM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Radio Problem Many thanks Bill- Give David my best. Regards, Al Do Not Archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: japhillipsga@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Radio Problem Al, that sounds much like my set up. I had a similar problem. Could receive fine, but when transmitting a high pitch whine accompanied the words. Fix was a separate ground wire from the headset jacks up to the main ground buss bar. I had thought the baggage deck where the jacks were mounted was ground enough, but not so. The separate wire fixed the problem. Maybe it will fix yours. I talked to David Cotton couple weeks ago. He said he finally got his plane parts to his hanger in Winder and was running control cables. I will try to find time to fly up there to help/ look see, but this RV-8 is using most every moment of my time so I have to have priorities. Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: armyret@mchsi.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Radio Problem Here is my set up: Ky-97A comm- Flightcom 403 intercom- Allen grip control (trim-PTT). Problem: Won't transmit. I can receive other xmissions and the TX lights up on the Ky97A when I push the PTT from either control (Pilot or Co-Pilot) If you listen to another radio, you can hear a weak carrier when you push the PTT but no voice. I can't get the plane to a Avionics shop since I have not flown off the req 40 hrs yet. The radio has been sent out to a avionics shop and declared as OK. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. Al Young N601AY ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:33 PM PST US From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Time: 09:46:49 PM PST US From: Rodney Mills Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun Does the HF rivet puller come with the appropriately cupped socket to form the head of the rivet? Does it support the different rivet sizes used on the XL kit? Thanks, Mike Listers, I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build with up to now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and creating smiley's even with pressure set as low as possible and flow controls being used. I recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and tried it today installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil, no bounce and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun is not as comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward position but the results in my case were far superior to my Zenith supplied gun. I will be buying another one of the Harbor Freight guns. If anyone is interested they are in the current sale catalog for $19.99. What a deal , What a deal. Just thought if anyone was looking for their first gun or a spare this is worth looking at. I paid over $70 for Zenith gun and would not buy again. Inquiring minds may want to know. Rodney Mills Northport, Al 601XL/ Corvair ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:29 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Help!!!! I though It was e^2pi. After zooming in I see you're right. Now it makes more sense. > > > > Bryan, I believe the numeral preceding the "pi" is an "i", and not > a "2". That would make the second argument equivalent to "cos > (pi)", which is -1. So the total check would be $0.002. Must have > been charging him for less than a penny?? > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:33 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun All- Contrary to my namesake's opinion, this is different from the Scotchbrite thread, because people are asking for information rather than excreting opinions. 1. I didn't anneal my nosepieces, but it might have made the job easier. 2. If you use a ball mill, you'll still have to smooth things up with a Dremel. You'll have a more centered pull with one, though. It's really hard to stay centered using a Dremel offhand. Which brings up a third option. Anneal the nosepiece, chuck the stone you'd use in a Dremel in your drillpress, center using a rivet, crank your drillpress speed up to max and have at it. Evolution, not revolution. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun This is getting to be another "Scotchbrite" thread. do not archive ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:42 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun The HF riveter I have came with four different nose pieces 3/32, 1/8, 5/32 and 3/16. You have to make the domed cavity yourself or have ZAC do it for you. It's not hard to do. I also ordered extra 1/8 and 5/32 heads so I have a set without the cavities. My riveter lasted through the entire build process and is still going strong. If I was doing this sort of thing for a living, I would probably buy a more expensive unit that would last forever under heavy daily use. For the relatively small amount of use I need it for, the cheap HF unit does the job and when it finally bites the dust, I'm only out $20. I've gotten my money's worth out of it. On Feb 15, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Mike O'Connor wrote: > Time: 09:46:49 PM PST US > From: Rodney Mills > Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet Gun > > Does the HF rivet puller come with the appropriately cupped socket > to form the head of the rivet? Does it support the different rivet > sizes used on the XL kit? > > Thanks, > > Mike > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.