---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/21/07: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:49 AM - Re: Navaid AP1 Autopilot for 601xl (alex_001) 2. 03:09 AM - Re: Strobes, part II (George Race) 3. 03:12 AM - HomeBuilt Help does it (Rick R) 4. 05:42 AM - Re: 601 XL w/ Corvair PowerPlant (Jason) 5. 06:37 AM - Re: Aluminum sheet. (LarryMcFarland) 6. 06:41 AM - Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) (ashontz) 7. 06:52 AM - Re: Thank You Mark Townsend! (Tim Juhl) 8. 06:54 AM - Re: Aluminum sheet. (Dave Ruddiman) 9. 08:04 AM - Re: Aluminum sheet. (LarryMcFarland) 10. 09:15 AM - Re: Diesel Zenith (ashontz) 11. 12:18 PM - Re: 601 XL w/ Corvair PowerPlant (Phil Maxson) 12. 12:44 PM - Re: 601 XL w/ Corvair PowerPlant (Gig Giacona) 13. 01:25 PM - Re: Diesel Zenith (2thesky) 14. 01:52 PM - Re: 3300 Exhaust (aprazer) 15. 02:33 PM - Re: Parking brake (aprazer) 16. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) (Edward Moody II) 17. 03:53 PM - Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) (ashontz) 18. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: Strobes, part II (Bill Naumuk) 19. 04:17 PM - Re: Strobes, part II (Bill Naumuk) 20. 05:52 PM - Re: Parking brake (Brandon Tucker) 21. 08:00 PM - nose gear dimensions (Dave Ruddiman) 22. 09:23 PM - Re: nose gear dimensions (Dave Ruddiman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:01 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Navaid AP1 Autopilot for 601xl From: "alex_001" yes got in touch with navaid and got a manual (great help) as my AP1 is with smart couplerII build in what is missing now is the way how to connect the signal from the GPS(Garmin295) to the 12 pin socket for more help i would be very thankfull Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'453#96453 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:55 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Strobes, part II Hi Bill: Here are a some strobes for you to consider. www.aristuff.com has them. Bright Star SR901C Clear Lens $49.00 Kuntzleman Strobe Double Wink KU001 $138.00 Illusion Strobe ILA25 $119.00 Several different styles to choose from. George ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:20 AM PST US From: Rick R Subject: Zenith-List: HomeBuilt Help does it Fellow builders..this is an unpaid plug.: Two weeks ago I sat down and watched "How to License Your Homebuilt Aircraft". As Jon suggested I got to know my DVD player's remote on an intimate level. Yesterday I received an oblong postcard from the FAA which turned out to be a Certificate of Aircraft Registration ! ! Plus it appears I'm an aircraft manufacturer..go figure..look out General Dynamics..here I come! N701RR is officially registered. I'm sure part two, the inspection paperwork will yield the same results! Thanks Jon...a million times over ! ! Low & Slow, Rick Rick Sharpsburg, GA. USA http://www.n701rr.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:43 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL w/ Corvair PowerPlant From: "Jason" I should be so lucky as to be able to stroll on over to talk with WW about this and get a demo ride on his 601. *grins* I think he's a pretty busy guy right about now, so I'm not going to pester him when I don't even have an engine to tinker with(however, did order and recieve his conversion manual). Thanks for all your thoughts, I'm not sure if the 1320 is a "hard" limit, I'm assuming that for us we should treat it as a hard cieling, but am glad to know that more than a few of the XL/Corvair planes have and do fly loaded with some healthy sized guys aboard without problem. Jason Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'469#96469 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:23 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aluminum sheet. Dave, Aircraft Spruce is the most direct with concern for good packaging practices at $46.57 for a 4'x8' 6061-T6. Phone 877-477-7823 Peachtree, GA. There is a California outlet. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Dave Ruddiman wrote: > I know this has been gone over before, but where is a good place to > buy .025 sheeting for a belly skin. > > Dave in Salem > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:48 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) From: "ashontz" [quote="4rcsimmons(at)comcast.net"]Im a above the 400 hours mark and am on the Fuselage sides. Wings done and Tail section done. Rich Simmons 601 XL > [b] Just curious, kit or from plans? -------- CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'477#96477 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:56 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Thank You Mark Townsend! From: "Tim Juhl" I also give Mark a lot of credit. He is a "can-do" kind of guy who embodies the "don't sweat the small stuff" spirit. I took a weekend rudder class taught by him and David Barth and came home ready to get started. He has since responded patiently to all my questions and concerns and given me the, "It's time you just move on" speech when I needed it. It is nice having such people who are willing to share their skills and wisdom. It is one reason why homebuilding can be such a rewarding process. Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'478#96478 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:16 AM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aluminum sheet. Thanks. I hadn't even looked at the obvious places. I just got off the phone with Caleb @ Zenith. He said .016 is fine for the belly skins and their demonstrator hasn't dented on the bottom at all. It just seems like that is a little to thin. Maybe I'm wrong. I was one other time. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:36 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aluminum sheet. > > Dave, > Aircraft Spruce is the most direct with concern for good packaging > practices at $46.57 for a 4'x8' 6061-T6. > Phone 877-477-7823 Peachtree, GA. There is a California outlet. > > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > do not archive > > Dave Ruddiman wrote: >> I know this has been gone over before, but where is a good place to buy >> .025 sheeting for a belly skin. Dave in Salem >> * >> >> >> * > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:25 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aluminum sheet. Dave Ruddiman wrote: > > > Thanks. I hadn't even looked at the obvious places. > I just got off the phone with Caleb @ Zenith. He said .016 is fine for > the belly skins and their demonstrator hasn't dented on the bottom at > all. It just seems like that is a little to thin. Maybe I'm wrong. I > was one other time. > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:36 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aluminum sheet. > > >> >> Dave, I believe .016 is too thin and you'd be happier with using .020 as a minimum where tail feathers were not involved. Larry McFarland do not archive >> Dave, >> Aircraft Spruce is the most direct with concern for good packaging >> practices at $46.57 for a 4'x8' 6061-T6. >> Phone 877-477-7823 Peachtree, GA. There is a California outlet. >> >> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com >> do not archive >> >> Dave Ruddiman wrote: >>> I know this has been gone over before, but where is a good place to >>> buy .025 sheeting for a belly skin. Dave in Salem >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:38 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Diesel Zenith From: "ashontz" 2thesky wrote: > > Float Flyr wrote: > > One down side could be that diesels are notoriously hard to start in cold weather. They do need good size starters and probably heavy batteries. > > > Only diesel engines that aren't properly cared for, have fuel pressure problems, or are worn out are hard to start. I currently own five diesel engines and have owned many more in the past. Every time I have had a hard to start engine, I have been able to find and fix a problem that corrected the problem of being hard to start. You can just crank on it loger, use bigger and more batteries to suck fuel up to the injectors, and that will work and is, in fact, what most folks do, but I have always been able to fix mine so that they start easily through keeping the fuel system in top shape. I own one diesel in a Ford F-250 pickup. I also own two tractor trailers with big 550 hp engines and smaller diesel powered aux. power units on them, too. None of these are hard to start in the cold because they are all equipped with block heaters that keep the coolant warm. When it gets REALLY cold, I also use a heated dipstick that tends to keep the engine oil close to 85 degrees. All of my trucks start just fine in really cold weather. It has been hovering around 0 degrees here for a couple of weeks and all of my trucks started everyday with no problems, usually after just a couple of turns of the engine. One of my trucks sat outside in North Dakota for three days last week. It started on the third turn. In fact, I drive my diesel pickup more in the cold weather because the oil and coolant is warm all the time, and my car has to start cold. The diesel engines run smooth from the start and my car and farm tractor complain to me for the first few seconds. It is my opinion that because of the block and oil heating devices, my diesels suffer less wear than my gas engines from cold weather starts. It is simply a matter of plugging it in to a 110 volt electrical outlet at night, or just a couple of hours or so before starting (depending on the temp). I prefer to leave them plugged in all the time when not in use. For an airplane, I think I would leave the block heater off and just use the heated dipstick ! so not t o add any extra flying weight. To me, that sounds easier than the propane powered pre-heater that I use on the PA-28 I rent now. Just show up at the hangar, unplug and remove the heated dipstick, and replace the normal dipstick. You are ready to rock and roll. > > As for the starters and batteries, both of my semi's are equipped with auxiliary power units so that we don't need to idle the big engine for overnight stays and still run the heat/AC, provide electricity in the sleeper for lights, refrigerator, microwave, engine block heaters, battery charging for the big engine, etc. These units use lighter twin cylinder diesel engines, made by Kubota, and require only a single battery that is lighter than the one in my little V-6 powered car. It will spin and start the little Kubotas very easily. The starters are pretty much the same as a lawn mower. I doubt that for these lighter aircraft diesels, any huge heavy battery or starter would be needed. We do use huge starters on truck diesels, but I think that it is because manufacturers realize that most will allow small air leaks in the fuel system exist. I think these diesels could be great for airplanes if they can just keep the installed weight down. I hope by the time I am finally ready to start building, I will have a choice of engines that can run on diesel or Jet-A. I like it more than gas because of the volatility of gasoline. Also, my auto and truck diesels last a whole heck of a lot longer than my gas engine cars. One of my truck engines has 1.2 million miles on it. I usually run trucks to 1.5 million before trading them in or rebuilding them with meticulous maintenance, of course. I am sure most aircraft owners, particularly folks who built them are very good about maintenance. I hope that longevity will be the same in aircraft diesels. Just my opinions. Just the fact that diesel fuel is less volatile in a crash is a nice plus. -------- CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'510#96510 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:00 PM PST US From: Phil Maxson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 XL w/ Corvair PowerPlant This is my experience also. I'm not a skinny guy and Gus and I flew all ov er Northern New Jersey for a couple of days. We flew with full tanks many times and went through all phases of flight. I'm not saying we we were ove r gross :-) I set my gross weight to be in line with the Sport Pilot regul ations. My plane will climb nicely slightly over gross. My performance numbers are in the archives including weights etc.Phil Maxso n 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey > From: craig@craigandjean.com> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 XL w/ Corvair gandjean.com>> > Here is a quote from William Wynne's web site about their Corvair-equipped> 601xl (look about 3/4s of the way down the page):> > "Lik e Gus, Derek is a very burly guy. Together, they weigh more than 500> pound s. But the 601's efficient airframe, and its 44" wide cabin flew both> of t hem in comfort with a good rate of climb. In extreme cases like this, we> d o not operate the airplane with full fuel. But two FAA sized people could> fill up the 24 gallon tanks on the XL, still carry 86 pounds of baggage, an d> be within gross weight. With the standard Corvair engine, this combinati on> performs very well."> > http://www.flycorvair.com/601.html> > -- Craig _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world BRE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:31 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL w/ Corvair PowerPlant From: "Gig Giacona" pmaxpmax(at)HOTMAIL.COM wrote: > I'm not a skinny guy No kidding :P DO NOT ARCIVE -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'546#96546 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:37 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Diesel Zenith From: "2thesky" mijniljj(at)yahoo.com wrote: > It is interesting that almost all of the > truck engines are Detroit Diesels and eve the > catapiler uses Detropt Diesel parts. -- Well, lots of trucks are Detroit powered. I wouldn't say "almost all of," though. Lots of big fleets use the Series 60 12.7 liter engine in Freightliner Columbia's and Century class tractors. Lots of Internationals have 14 liter Cummins ISX's or C-15 CATS. Almost all of the Peterbilt 379 and Kenworth W900 tractors (the ones with the long square hoods) are CAT powered. I have owned all of them and my favorite is the CAT, in particular the 3406 or the later C-15 550 hp engine. The Detroit is a good engine, too, and I have logged many miles sitting behind them. I am curious about which Detroit parts that CAT is using. I have owned lots more CATS than any other kind of engine, and the only shared part I can find is the Bendix air compressor, which is common to lots of tractors. Maybe I could save some green by putting grey parts on my yellow engines? [Wink] Please Do not archive! -------- Every takeoff is optional, but every landing is mandatory! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'549#96549 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:17 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 3300 Exhaust From: "aprazer" Thanks everyone -- you have been very helpful! Mack -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'554#96554 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:28 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Parking brake From: "aprazer" Howdy Everyone, A note of thanks to all for the input -- all your ideas are good, just now to decide which I like the best Thanks again, Mack -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'557#96557 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:03 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) Same here. Building from a complete kit, I had the entire tail finished, had built the flaps and ailerons and was about halfway through building the first wing at 100 hours. I have no doubt that it can be done much faster than I have done so far. I am equally sure that I can't go any faster without taicking off the family, retiring, and/or screwing up even mor ethan I curently do. I am presently at 436.5 hours and I am working on the bows for the middle top skin of the fuselage. Ed Moody II 601XL/Jabiru/middle top skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Juhl To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) I think you are doing OK. Anyone who can build an XL in 400 hours as the advertising claims is either very skillful or has built one before. I'm probably in the slow category but then I take my time and so far have avoided any big mistakes. I've completed the rudder, tailfeathers, flaps and ailerons, installed fuel senders in the tanks and am finishing out the right wing. I installed the baggage locker (which took awhile) and am doing the wingtip right now. Fuel tanks are next and I'll be done. Along the way I trimmed the nose ribs and fabricated the pieces needed for both wings at the same time so left wing should move along a little faster. Time required? I just hit 400 hours. Enjoy the process! Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:34 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) From: "ashontz" Apparently the kit is much faster. Honestly, I'd say I spend about 3 to 4 times as much time making the parts as I do assembling them. Seems to be reflected in my log too. -------- CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'569#96569 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:32 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Strobes, part II Thanks, George, I'll look into it. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: George Race To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Strobes, part II Hi Bill: Here are a some strobes for you to consider. www.aristuff.com has them. Bright Star SR901C Clear Lens $49.00 Kuntzleman Strobe Double Wink KU001 $138.00 Illusion Strobe ILA25 $119.00 Several different styles to choose from. George ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:13 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Strobes, part II Jay- Based on everyone's input, I'm going to decide on a strobe and complete the bracing, mounting holes, rivnuts/plates ASAP. Then the only contorting I have to do is for the final installation. Don't think it's a good thing having the glass and guts hanging out in the open while I'm jockeying everything around the shop. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Strobes, part II > The rear & middle top skins can't be installed until you have installed the baggage floor. > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:14 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Parking brake While researching my next project, a long travel sand car, I found this: http://www.team-moto.com/index.cfm?action=ViewDetails&ItemID=62&Category=5 -this would work well for those of us that used compression fittings and "Plastic" brake lines. VR/ Brandon 601 HDS / TD / Corvair 70 hours No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:50 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Zenith-List: nose gear dimensions Can anyone out there give me actual dimensions for the axle hole to the bottom of the 'U" part #8L2-4. Also the inside width. I want to see if an 8.50 x 6 tire will fit on the nose. Dave in Salem ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:23 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: nose gear dimensions I assume anyone reading this would realize I am talking about an 801. I forgot to put that in. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Ruddiman To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: Zenith-List: nose gear dimensions Can anyone out there give me actual dimensions for the axle hole to the bottom of the 'U" part #8L2-4. Also the inside width. I want to see if an 8.50 x 6 tire will fit on the nose. 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