---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/22/07: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:39 AM - Re: "Half Deep" Rivets...? (Geoff Heap) 2. 04:46 AM - Re: Thank You Mark Townsend! (ashontz) 3. 04:51 AM - Your Profile (Geoff Heap) 4. 05:30 AM - Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) (Rich) 5. 05:56 AM - Rudder Cable farings (Rich) 6. 06:22 AM - Re: Rudder Cable farings (Gig Giacona) 7. 06:35 AM - Re: Rudder Cable farings (Bryan Martin) 8. 06:47 AM - Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) (Paul Mulwitz) 9. 07:31 AM - Re: Rudder Cable farings (Robin Bellach) 10. 07:45 AM - Re: Parking brake (Mack Kreizenbeck) 11. 07:45 AM - Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) () 12. 08:07 AM - Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) (William Dominguez) 13. 08:13 AM - Re: Parking brake (Jaybannist@cs.com) 14. 08:55 AM - JS-AIR Strobe Power pack with Whelen fixtures (Jeff) 15. 11:26 AM - Parking Brake (Jaybannist@cs.com) 16. 11:55 AM - Re: 801 Bottom Fuselage Skin (Gary Gower) 17. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? (Gary Gower) 18. 12:03 PM - Unsuscribe (Meltonoso) 19. 12:10 PM - Re: Parking brake (eddies) 20. 12:46 PM - Top Window, Bubble Doors and Windshield on 701 (Jeffrey A Beachy) 21. 12:50 PM - Elevator trailing edge bent flange on CH701 (Jeffrey A Beachy) 22. 01:18 PM - Re: Top Window, Bubble Doors and Windshield on 701 (Dave Ruddiman) 23. 01:34 PM - Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) (Craig Payne) 24. 01:36 PM - Re: Parking brake (Craig Payne) 25. 02:41 PM - Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) () 26. 02:41 PM - Re: Parking brake (Dino Bortolin) 27. 03:05 PM - CH701 Landing Lights (Ken Arnold) 28. 03:12 PM - sealing fuel senders (john butterfield) 29. 03:13 PM - Re: Elevator trailing edge bent flange on CH701 (NYTerminat@aol.com) 30. 03:23 PM - Re: Elevator trailing edge bent flange on CH701 (MElrod3732@aol.com) 31. 03:36 PM - Bounce? (Bill Naumuk) 32. 03:47 PM - Re: Top Window, Bubble Doors and Windshield on 701 (NYTerminat@aol.com) 33. 03:53 PM - Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) (ashontz) 34. 03:55 PM - Re: Your Profile (ashontz) 35. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: Prospective 701 flyer - Performance questions (Ken Arnold) 36. 05:40 PM - Re: sealing fuel senders (george may) 37. 06:18 PM - CH-701 For Sale (James Sagerser) 38. 07:05 PM - 12 Gal fuel tanks - mount optical sensor (Jon Burns) 39. 07:25 PM - Re: CH701 Landing Lights (Les Goldner) 40. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Your Profile (Ben52425@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:05 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: "Half Deep" Rivets...? From: "Geoff Heap" I understand your problem is fixed Patrick. When I hit that problem I ordered a small quantity of shorter rivets from assco. There is a short one and an even shorter one. I don't recall exactly but I think they were Cherry rivets. A bit harder to pull than avex but whats the diff? I built from plans though so i only had a few rivets that lined up.....Geoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'631#96631 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Thank You Mark Townsend! From: "ashontz" I concur, they have good info on their site and and are very patient and helpful whenever I have questions. I'd also like to thank Geoff Heap who lives within a 3 miles of me and is building a 701. He's been very helpful over the years and we've had lots of opportunities to share ideas, but just having someone close by who's also building is a real help particularly when you're first getting started. A few hours answering head scratcher questions as well as just general technique and whatnot goes a long way to help getting a project started as well as keep it rolling along. -------- CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'634#96634 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:00 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Your Profile From: "Geoff Heap" Hey guys. I want to occasionally contact listers offline and have noticed that EMAIL addresses are often missing from your profiles. I have to believe it's an oversight usually. Come on guys UPDATE those profiles. Don't be a recluse.....Geoff. Geoff Heap 701/dual controls/912 rotax ordered/Looking at Enigma/ do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'635#96635 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:15 AM PST US From: "Rich" <4rcsimmons@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) I am building from Component Kits. I have been at it for about 2 years now. I have ordered the kits on a schedule to not allow too much down time but the small break in between kits has been good for the honey do list. 1st the rudder, 2nd the rest of the tail sections, 3rd the wings and fuel system, and now, the Rest. This also allowed me to have to only store minimal material However, when I ordered the Fuselage kit, I ordered all of the remaining groups from Zenith. Now I am looking at instruments and engines. Jabaru is the way I plan on going with a standard 6 pack configuration of instruments. I am seriously looking at the Dynon panel but large instrument integration bothers me to a point. I like the idea of if one fails, all the others are still there. Happy building, Rich Simmons 601 XL P.S. Oh yes, do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:55 AM PST US From: "Rich" <4rcsimmons@comcast.net> Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Cable farings List, I was preparing to place my rudder cable fairings on the fuselage sides. I am at a loss on how it should really locate. My sides came with the slot cut in both sides and I think they are too low. 1) The instructions show 30mm to 35mm from the bottom (Longeron or Skin?) 2) However, the width of the faring is 80mm so 40mm should be centerline at the exit. 3) is it a straight shot for the cable or does the fairlead carry a load to change the line of the cable? Zenith says that the cable exit should be parallel to the fuse bottom so likewise the slot cut in the fairlead guide should on centerline to the slot. Can any of you tell/show me what you did? Thanks, Rich Simmons Do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:48 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rudder Cable farings From: "Gig Giacona" If I remember correctly, I cut the hole as per plans and then centered the faring based on the hole and it all came out just right. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'650#96650 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:29 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Cable farings If I recall correctly, I trimmed the bottom side of the fairlead to fit over the slot that was cut according to the plans. On Feb 22, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Rich wrote: > I was preparing to place my rudder cable fairings on the fuselage > sides. I am at a loss on how it should really locate. My sides came > with the slot cut in both sides and I think they are too low. > > 1) The instructions show 30mm to 35mm from the bottom (Longeron or > Skin?)\ > > 2) However, the width of the faring is 80mm so 40mm should be > centerline at the exit. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:40 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) Hi Rich, With the great popularity of the Jabiru engines, there is a significant lead time to order one. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage >Now I am looking at instruments and engines. Jabaru is the way I >plan on going with a standard 6 pack configuration of instruments. I >am seriously looking at the Dynon panel but large instrument >integration bothers me to a point. I like the idea of if one fails, >all the others are still there. > > >Happy building, > >Rich Simmons >601 XL > >P.S. Oh yes, do not archive --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:57 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Cable farings The fairings I received with the kit are oblong as pictured in the plans and 60mm wide instead of 80mm. When placed several millimeters above the bottom of the fuse as pictured, the centers come out at about 32 to 33mm, indicating that the "80x80" is an error in the plans and should be 80x60. I don't however have the rudder yet mounted so cannot determine if alignment is correct without any up or down load. Robin in AR 601XL Zen-Vair, N601ZV reserved ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Cable farings List, I was preparing to place my rudder cable fairings on the fuselage sides. I am at a loss on how it should really locate. My sides came with the slot cut in both sides and I think they are too low. 1) The instructions show 30mm to 35mm from the bottom (Longeron or Skin?) 2) However, the width of the faring is 80mm so 40mm should be centerline at the exit. 3) is it a straight shot for the cable or does the fairlead carry a load to change the line of the cable? Zenith says that the cable exit should be parallel to the fuse bottom so likewise the slot cut in the fairlead guide should on centerline to the slot. Can any of you tell/show me what you did? Thanks, Rich Simmons ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:04 AM PST US From: "Mack Kreizenbeck" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Parking brake Brandon, This parking brake is far cheaper than the $105 that I spent on the Matco! Thanks for the heads up, Mack ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:36 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) Roger that..... oredered my 3300 in July and received it last week. Dred Do Not Archive ---- Paul Mulwitz wrote: > Hi Rich, > > With the great popularity of the Jabiru engines, there is a > significant lead time to order one. > > Good luck, > > Paul > XL fuselage ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:35 AM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) Im plans building and I have spent 140 hours so far, I have rudder done (from scratch, didnt go the seminar) elevator done, stabilizer skeleton done, and currently working on skinning the stabilizer. This time includes the building of my two bending brakes, skin bending jig and making the parts. In my experience so far, making parts vs. assembly goes around 25/75. 25% of time making parts and 75% assembly. Ive found that mistakes during assembly are more time consuming to recover than mistakes done while making parts. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami, Florida ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:13 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Parking brake Listers, I went down to Home Depot and bought two small brass ball valves, made mounting brackets, a tie between the control levers and an actuator rod, all for about $35. Photos available for those interested. Jay in Dallas Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:48 AM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: Zenith-List: JS-AIR Strobe Power pack with Whelen fixtures Does anyone have experience using the JS-AIR XPAK 604-HR power pack with the Whelan A650 position/strobe light fixtures? The JS-AIR is considerably cheaper and uses less amperage that the Whelen power pack. Jeff Davidson ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:22 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: Parking Brake List, Here is my version of a homemade parking brake. Two ball valves from Home Depot, four Adel clamps and some 1/8" aluminum. I bolted the 1/8" bars together because I was afraid that A5 rivets weren't long enough. With the levers down, the valves are open. Levers up they are closed and pressure is trapped in the lines from the valves to the brake calipers. I used a bar for a control rod because I couldn't figure out how to make a cable work with the large arc of the levers. Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:38 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Bottom Fuselage Skin Sorry for the late answer, but I am very slow reasding my mail, lots of work. I read from Graham Lee (Neiuport 11 Replicas): "Only add Lightness and Simplicity to any airplane you are building" Saludos Gary Gower 701 912S 100 hrs just like plans... Larry, I was planning on using .025 because that's what most of the rest is. I'm not disputing your suggestion but, why .020 instead of .025? Do you have any idea why the thinner material on the belly where it seems like it would need the protection? Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Bottom Fuselage Skin > > Dave, > I'd take the .016 piece and lay it over a piece of .020 (not .025) and use > it for a template. .016 is noisy until you've got > lots of paint on it. > > Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > do not archive > > Dave Ruddiman wrote: >> I know this has come up for some of the other ZAC planes, but when I took >> the bottom fuselage skin for my 801 out of the box I discovered that it >> is .016. I just assumed it would be .025. It seems like it should be >> heavier given the kind of use the plane was designed for. Any thoughts, >> anyone? >> Dave in Salem > > > --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:50 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? No C Smith, Just hit the SEND instead of the Delete, Sorry Saludos Gary Gower Not Spamer Flying from Chapala, Mexico. Do not archive. C Smith wrote: Looks like SPAM, smells like SPAM.. Do not archive --------------------------------- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:38 AM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? 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Mail Beta. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:10 PM PST US From: "Meltonoso" Subject: Zenith-List: Unsuscribe Pls unsubscribe me from the Zenith List. meltonoso@cox.net ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:33 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Parking brake From: "eddies" Hi Jay, I love the parking brake idea, but I have to ask where did you re-locate your gascolator and fuel pump to Eddie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'717#96717 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:07 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Top Window, Bubble Doors and Windshield on 701 From: Jeffrey A Beachy I am ready to install my top window, Zenith bubble doors and the windshield on my CH701. I have several questions for those who have completed these tasks: 1. What is the top window made of, plexiglass or lexan? How about the windshield? Bubble doors? 2. The plans call for rivets for the top window. With all the talk of cracking lexan or plexiglass, is it wise to use screws instead of rivets? 3. Is the idea of the diagonal stiffener 7F12-3 to put a bow in the top window? 4. Has anyone used some type of weatherstripping or silicone between the window and the upper tubes to keep out water? 5. It seems like the rivets at the front upper tube/cabin frame connection will put pressure on the top window, since the cabin frame and rivets are higher than the upper tubes. The same goes for the back gusset, though the plans call for that area to be cut out. 6. What about silicone or weatherstripping for the front windshield? Roger at Zenith says his 701 leaks pretty badly during rain. Has anyone managed to keep the water out? 7. The list archives show that some have used the rubber channel 05-01500 from ACS for the windshield. How did you fasten the channel? 8. Is there any problem with installing the top window, bubble doors and front windshield before installing the wings? Thanks in advance for your ideas. Jeff Beachy CH701, 85% completed ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:49 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Elevator trailing edge bent flange on CH701 From: Jeffrey A Beachy I have heard that Roger recommends bending the bent flange of the elevator down to remove the upsweep of the trailing edge. What say you CH701 builders who are flying? Jeff Beachy ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:00 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Top Window, Bubble Doors and Windshield on 701 I don't know about the rest of your questions, but you might check on whether using silicone on these parts is alright or not. Make sure it is compatible. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey A Beachy" Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Top Window, Bubble Doors and Windshield on 701 > > I am ready to install my top window, Zenith bubble doors and the > windshield on my CH701. I have several questions for those who have > completed these tasks: > > 1. What is the top window made of, plexiglass or lexan? How about the > windshield? Bubble doors? > > 2. The plans call for rivets for the top window. With all the talk of > cracking lexan or plexiglass, is it wise to use screws instead of rivets? > > 3. Is the idea of the diagonal stiffener 7F12-3 to put a bow in the top > window? > > 4. Has anyone used some type of weatherstripping or silicone between the > window and the upper tubes to keep out water? > > 5. It seems like the rivets at the front upper tube/cabin frame > connection will put pressure on the top window, since the cabin frame and > rivets are higher than the upper tubes. The same goes for the back > gusset, though the plans call for that area to be cut out. > > 6. What about silicone or weatherstripping for the front windshield? > Roger at Zenith says his 701 leaks pretty badly during rain. Has anyone > managed to keep the water out? > > 7. The list archives show that some have used the rubber channel 05-01500 > from ACS for the windshield. How did you fasten the channel? > > 8. Is there any problem with installing the top window, bubble doors and > front windshield before installing the wings? > > Thanks in advance for your ideas. > > Jeff Beachy > CH701, 85% completed > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:28 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) >> Roger that..... oredered my 3300 in July and received it last week. With the cowling? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:41 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Parking brake Also see here for another low-cost solution: www.matronics.com/photoshare/pitcher035@adelphia.net.05.07.2006/ -- Craig ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:36 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) Yep, I ordered the engine and FWF package from Pete Krotje at USA Jabiru in Tennessee all at the same time. I was told that the cowling was the hold up at the end. The engine was sitting in Tennessee by mid December ready to ship but the cowling was being reworked to make it install easier with the new heads. I was number 7 out of the first 20 new cowls they ordered so it took a while to get the whole shipment ready to go. There was no point in shipping the engine alone, that would have been more expensive and I was not ready to hang it yet anyway. Dred Do Not Archive ---- Craig Payne wrote: > > >> Roger that..... ordered my 3300 in July and received it last week. > > With the cowling? > > -- Craig ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:53 PM PST US From: "Dino Bortolin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Parking brake Does anyone know how much pressure is in the braking system during a hard brake application? I'd hate to find out at a critical moment that the parking brake valve can't handle it. Dino On 2/22/07, Jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > > Listers, I went down to Home Depot and bought two small brass ball valves, > made mounting brackets, a tie between the control levers and an actuator > rod, all for about $35. Photos available for those interested. > > Jay in Dallas > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:45 PM PST US From: "Ken Arnold" Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Landing Lights Listers, I am going to install a ldg light on my 701. The most obvious attachment location is the bracket connecting the landing gear bow. However, there are some lights available that might fit in the forward slat. Xevision has one measuring about 4"Wx4L"x2"H. Has anyone installed a light in their slats? Thanks in advance, Ken Arnold Building CH701 QB Kit; target completion May 2007 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:27 PM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: sealing fuel senders hi list is the rubber gasket enough to seal the fuel sender housing, or should i put some sealer on the gasket. john butterfield 601XL, corvair torrance, ca ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:39 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Elevator trailing edge bent flange on CH701 That is what I did with mine per Rogers suggestion. Don't know why they don't correct that in the dwgs. Bob Spudis N701ZX/CH-701/912S In a message dated 2/22/2007 3:52:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, beachyjeff@juno.com writes: I have heard that Roger recommends bending the bent flange of the elevator down to remove the upsweep of the trailing edge. 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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:33 PM PST US From: MElrod3732@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Elevator trailing edge bent flange on CH701 I took the bend out on my 701 elevator. On my first flight last August, I ran out of out of NOSE UP elevator trim where the trim tab was in the full down position and I still had to hold back stick pressure to hold the nose up. Posing this problem on the list resulted in several responses suggesting taking the TE bend out to a neutral position. It worked like a charm. I now have the trim range to trim off all stick pressures at all airspeeds. I bent the elevator TE by cutting a slot in the edge of a long 2 X 4, placing the TE in the 2 X 4 slot and rotated downward. Hope this helps, Mike Elrod


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:06 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Bounce? Matt - Lately I keep getting "Failure Notice from Mailer@DAEMON...." Is this you, or is it physhing? I'm burning them out as soon as I get them, so my apologies if they're legit. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:36 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Top Window, Bubble Doors and Windshield on 701 In a message dated 2/22/2007 3:47:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, beachyjeff@juno.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeffrey A Beachy Jeff I am ready to install my top window, Zenith bubble doors and the windshield on my CH701. I have several questions for those who have completed these tasks: Top is lexan,bubble doors and windshield are plexi( at least that's what mine was) 1. What is the top window made of, plexiglass or lexan? How about the windshield? Bubble doors? I used rivets, no problem 2. The plans call for rivets for the top window. With all the talk of cracking lexan or plexiglass, is it wise to use screws instead of rivets? Yes 3. Is the idea of the diagonal stiffener 7F12-3 to put a bow in the top window? I used a 3/16" x 1/2" self stick weatherstripping 4. Has anyone used some type of weatherstripping or silicone between the window and the upper tubes to keep out water? Weatherstripping took care of some of that 5. It seems like the rivets at the front upper tube/cabin frame connection will put pressure on the top window, since the cabin frame and rivets are higher than the upper tubes. The same goes for the back gusset, though the plans call for that area to be cut out. I used GE clear silicone between the windshield and the top window,no leaks 6. What about silicone or weatherstripping for the front windshield? Roger at Zenith says his 701 leaks pretty badly during rain. Has anyone managed to keep the water out? I used a U rubber channel and secured with some automotive weatherstrip sealant(very small bead below the U channel) Hint use masking tape to get a straight bead 7. The list archives show that some have used the rubber channel 05-01500 from ACS for the windshield. How did you fasten the channel? I set my wings to get everything lined up and the correct angles, then removed them and installed the top window, windshield and doors 8. Is there any problem with installing the top window, bubble doors and front windshield before installing the wings? Bob Spudis Thanks in advance for your ideas. Jeff Beachy CH701, 85% completed


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:45 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 1st Hundred Hours of Building (XL) From: "ashontz" [quote="bill_dom(at)yahoo.com"]I?m plan?s building and I have spent 140 hours so far, I have rudder done (from scratch, didn?t go the seminar) elevator done, stabilizer skeleton done, and currently working on skinning the stabilizer. This time includes the building of my two bending brakes, skin bending jig and making the parts. In my experience so far, making parts vs. assembly goes around 25/75. 25% of time making parts and 75% assembly. I?ve found that mistakes during assembly are more time consuming to recover than mistakes done while making parts. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami, Florida > [b] Actually, that's abut the same pace I found it to be for those components. I'm now about halfway through the right wing. Making the wing ribs took a fair amount of time. -------- CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'766#96766 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:43 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Your Profile From: "ashontz" You may now e-mail. Not that you can't just pick up the phone. haha Hey, where's your e-mail? I didn't show up the last time I refreshed this page. -------- CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'769#96769 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:28 PM PST US From: "Ken Arnold" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Prospective 701 flyer - Performance questions I have not seen any messages from 701s flying with the new Zenith cowling. I talked with Zenith in Mexico, MO today and they are seeing about 100mph cruise with the 100hp Rotax. They also give caution to stay within the Vne of 115mph. Regards, Ken Arnold CH701 QB Kit building ----- Original Message ----- From: "StolBrit" Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:11 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Prospective 701 flyer - Performance questions > > Many Thanks to Dick, Max and Dan who have already replied direct by email > reporting the experience of themselves and colleagues. > > Standard 20 USG tanks Standard is good (up to 5hrs endurance and 400 > miles), unless fuel availability en route is an issue. > > Rotax 80 v 100hp Seems that the 80hp Rotax is 'more than adequate' for > landplane T/O, but the 100hp can add up to 15mph to the cruise (and the > relatively slow cruise is the 701's only real downside - but you can't > have it all). So, 80hp = 85mph and 100hp = 100mph cruise then. > > BRS STOL performance and strength say its not required, but why would you > not fit it? > > This summary does not do justice to their emails and the words are mine. > I'll be back here when a new route for a UK QBK becomes possible again > following the termination of the CZAW arrangement with Zenair last > summer - and this seems partly tied up with EASA's resolution of European > LSA rules ... > > In the meantime, I'll keep reading the boards - and plan for a 80hp rotax > with standard tanks and a BRS! (Oh and a Dynon panel!) > > ... unless of course anyone else wants to re-open the debate! > > Good building and flying - Regards, > John > > > [/b] > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'379#96379 > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:49 PM PST US From: "george may" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: sealing fuel senders John- I had leaks in both tanks until I sealed them with gasket sealer. I would add some to the existing gaslet. George May 601xL 912s >From: john butterfield >To: Zenith-List Digest Server >Subject: Zenith-List: sealing fuel senders >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:09:53 -0800 (PST) > > > >hi list >is the rubber gasket enough to seal the fuel sender >housing, or should i put some sealer on the gasket. >john butterfield >601XL, corvair >torrance, ca > > _________________________________________________________________ Refi Now: Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:27 PM PST US From: James Sagerser Subject: Zenith-List: CH-701 For Sale I'm sad to sell my 701 project but have other priorities (second home close to grandchildren). So would like to sell my Custom Zenith Ch-701 project. 85% plus complete. New, latest model (40% more cooling area & hydraulic lifters), 120hp, Jabiru 3300-A engine ($14,900), Jabiru factory FWF package. PegaStol aftermarket wings (retractable slats), long range tanks, custom extended Grove gear and brakes. Extra beefing for bush flying. Customized for tall person. Save yourself 700 hours of labor and be flying this spring. Yours for the cost of the kits, options, engine and FWF package. $34,107 firm. Call Jim at 480-766-0003 or email: alaskajim@cox.net for pictures. Much thanks to Larry Martin and Steven Johnston for all their help and support getting it this far along. Jim Sagerser ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:25 PM PST US From: "Jon Burns" Subject: Zenith-List: 12 Gal fuel tanks - mount optical sensor Has anyone mounted the optical sensor announciators from Aircraft Extras and what fuel level you decided on? If so, do you happen to remember where you put the mounting holes for the sensors? I already cut the holes for the fuel level senders... Thanks, Jon Burns Little Elm, TX (North of Dallas) 601 XL, Tail done, wings in progress _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:55 PM PST US From: "Les Goldner" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH701 Landing Lights Ken, I installed a landing light in a slat but don't know how effective it will be. Not hard to do, I cut out a elliptical hole, and curved some 1/8th inch thick lexon to the slat shape by heating it to 300F in my oven while it was sitting on the piece that I cut out. Then I found a small 55W 12V light in an auto shop and mounted it so that it could be adjusted after attaching the wing. Tune in in about a half year when the plane is ready and I'll tell you how well it works. Regards, Les _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Arnold Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:03 PM Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Landing Lights Listers, I am going to install a ldg light on my 701. The most obvious attachment location is the bracket connecting the landing gear bow. However, there are some lights available that might fit in the forward slat. Xevision has one measuring about 4"Wx4L"x2"H. Has anyone installed a light in their slats? Thanks in advance, Ken Arnold Building CH701 QB Kit; target completion May 2007 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:26 PM PST US From: Ben52425@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Your Profile ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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