---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/27/07: 41 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:37 AM - Flying into Canada (ZodieRocket) 2. 05:01 AM - Re: Solid riveting spar - setting solid AN6 rivets (ashontz) 3. 06:38 AM - vm1000 engine monitor (flyingmike9) 4. 07:10 AM - Re: where to buy proseal () 5. 07:21 AM - Re: where to buy proseal (Dave Ruddiman) 6. 07:31 AM - Re: Flying into Canada (Michael Valentine) 7. 07:48 AM - Re: where to buy proseal (japhillipsga@aol.com) 8. 08:16 AM - proseal sources (Brett Hanley) 9. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: sealing fuel senders (Ken Lilja) 10. 08:28 AM - What does it mean? (Jason) 11. 08:46 AM - Re: What does it mean? (Gig Giacona) 12. 08:58 AM - Re: What does it mean? (R.P.) 13. 09:02 AM - 701 take-off videos (pilarcoco@netzero.net) 14. 09:11 AM - Re: What does it mean? (Jason) 15. 09:21 AM - Re: What does it mean? (Jon Croke) 16. 09:48 AM - Re: What does it mean? (Paul Mulwitz) 17. 10:44 AM - Off Topic: Experience tops youth in study on aging pilots (Craig Payne) 18. 11:01 AM - Re: Off Topic: Experience tops youth in study on aging pilots (Edward Moody II) 19. 11:45 AM - Re: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...? (ashontz) 20. 12:10 PM - Re: What does it mean? (Jason) 21. 12:47 PM - Re: Off Topic: Experience tops youth in study on aging pilots (Gig Giacona) 22. 01:44 PM - Re: Flying into Canada (Terry Phillips) 23. 01:49 PM - Re: 701 take-off videos (NYTerminat@aol.com) 24. 02:09 PM - Re: where to buy proseal (Dave Ruddiman) 25. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...? (NYTerminat@aol.com) 26. 02:54 PM - Re: Flying into Canada (MacDonald Doug) 27. 03:46 PM - Re: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...? (ashontz) 28. 03:48 PM - corvair oil level (Ben52425@aol.com) 29. 04:35 PM - Re: corvair oil level (Robin Bellach) 30. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: Solid riveting spar - setting solid AN6 rivets (Flydog1966@aol.com) 31. 05:40 PM - Re: corvair oil level (Craig Payne) 32. 06:00 PM - Re: Flying into Canada (Noel Loveys) 33. 06:10 PM - Re: where to buy proseal (Juan Vega) 34. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: What does it mean? (Juan Vega) 35. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: What does it mean? (Juan Vega) 36. 06:29 PM - Re: Solid riveting spar - setting solid AN6 rivets (ashontz) 37. 06:47 PM - Re: What does it mean? (Tim Juhl) 38. 07:02 PM - Re: Re: What does it mean? (Steve Hulland) 39. 08:50 PM - Re: Flying into Canada (ZodieRocket) 40. 10:14 PM - Re: Flying into Canada (raymondj) 41. 11:25 PM - Re: Flying into Canada (Terry Phillips) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:32 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: Zenith-List: Flying into Canada Canada is a great choice destination for aviators from the United States. We are just different enough to make your trip interesting, but not so different that you would be uncomfortable. Our country is renowned for its thousands of square miles of pristine wilderness, ideal for all outdoor pursuits. We invite you to also experience our cities; they represent a unique and pleasant experience of their own. There=92s something for everyone. In order to help with your plans for a trip to Canada, we've prepared the following summary of information. Remember, it=92s not that different. We have developed our own aviation system and our own procedures in response to our climate and geography, which differ slightly from what you are used to, but they will not make flying unmanageable. Transport Canada, Civil Aviation The Civil Aviation directorate is part of the Safety and Security Group of Transport Canada. The FAA performs a similar function in the United States. Though we have the ability to carry a big stick, our role here is to facilitate your visit to Canada to help you fly safely and ensure that you are aware of any regulatory differences that may affect you trip. This document tries to answer the most common questions, but if you are uncertain of anything, give us a call. Our numbers are listed at the end of this document. Coming to Canada by small aircraft Pilots must report to Canada Customs using the telephone reporting system. Call the toll free telephone number 1-888-226-7277 at least two hours, but no more than 48 hours prior to departing for Canada. A second call is required upon your arrival in Canada. You are required to bring photo I.D. and proof of Citizenship; i.e. Birth Certificate or Passport. Import restrictions apply to certain items. Handguns, pepper spray and certain other weapons are prohibited. Calling 1-888-226-7277 arranges your Customs clearance only. It does not replace the requirements to file a flight plan with NAVCAN. Designated ports of entry are listed in the Canada Flight Supplement, which is the official Canadian "Airports and Frequency Guide". Information on obtaining one is provided later. Need more information on reporting to Customs, visit the Canada Border Services Agency's (CBSA) website. When you return to the United States, you should consult the U.S. Private Flyers Guide for information about customs services at U.S. Airports. Contact the U.S. Customs Office for more information on this program. Aircraft and Pilot Documentation Generally, U.S. registered aircraft need only the documentation required by the Federal Aviation Administration. However, you should note the following: Pilots of aircraft with a Special Airworthiness Certificate ' Experimental For the purpose of operating a United States registered Amateur Built aircraft in Canadian airspace you will need to obtain a HYPERLINK "http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/maintenance/aarpe/Recreational/menu.h tm"Standardized Validation that can be downloaded from Transport Canada=92s website. Pilots of aircraft with a Special Airworthiness Certificate Other than Amateur-Built aircraft, you must obtain a validation from a Transport Canada Office prior to entering Canadian Airspace. This applies even for overflights where no stop is intended. Contact the Transport Canada Regional office nearest your point of departure for more information; and Ultra-light aircraft operating without any regulatory authority (e.g. CFR 103 in the United States) These aircraft cannot be operated in Canada. Insurance Aircraft operated in Canada must subscribe to liability insurance and carry proof of that insurance on board the aircraft. Amount of coverage is based on the use of the aircraft and the maximum take-off weight. For example, a private aircraft owner must hold liability insurance covering risks of public liability in an amount that is not less than * $100,000, where the maximum permissible take-off weight of the aircraft is 1,043kg (2,300 pounds) or less; * $500,000, where the maximum permissible take-off weight of the aircraft is greater than 1,043kg (2,300 pounds) but not greater than 2 268 kg (5,000 pounds); etc. Refer to the HYPERLINK "http://tcinfo/aviation/REGSERV/CARAC/CARS/cars/606e.htm#606_02"Canadian Aviation Regulations, Section 606.02, for full details. Planning your Flight There's not much different here. Canadian charts are similar in format and appearance to U.S. charts. Here is a quick summary: VFR Charts * VNC (Visual Navigation Series) Charts - These are the equivalent of U.S. Sectional Charts and are produced at a 1:500,000 scale; * WAC (World Aeronautical Charts) - For pilots who prefer charts a 1:1,000,000 scale, these are basically the same as the U.S. version; and * VTA (VFR Terminal Area) Charts - These are terminal area charts produced for major airports at a 1:250,000 scale IFR Charts As in the United States, enroute charts for IFR flight can be obtained from Jeppesen or from NavCanada. Canada Flight Supplement This document is the official =93Airport and Frequency Guide=94 for Canada. Not only does it include vital information about Canadian Airports, but also airspace, local flight procedures, preferred IFR Routings and more. To obtain any VFR, IFR charts or a Canada Flight Supplement, HYPERLINK "http://www.navcanada.ca/navcanada.asp?gL=EN&Pid=9&Sid=0&mPath=ae ropubs/ default.asp?checksides=false"contact NavCanada directly. Flight Plans and Weather Information Canada has a network of flight service stations to accept flight plans and provide weather information services. The Canada Flight Supplement contains the local telephone numbers or call 1-866-WX-BRIEF to contact the nearest FSS to your location. Transborder flights require a flight plan. Within Canada, for flights of more than 25 nautical miles, you have two options. You can either file a flight plan with one of our Flight Service Stations or you can file a flight itinerary with a responsible person. The Canada Flight Supplement provides more information. Weather information is presented in the TAF/METAR format with some minor technical differences. Canadian weather and NOTAMS can be accessed through DUATS, other on-line services or from HYPERLINK "http://www.flightplanning.navcanada.ca/cgi-bin/CreePage.pl?Langue=angl a is&NoSession=NS_Inconnu&Page=forecast-observation&TypeDoc=html"NavC anada .. Airspace Canada=92s airspace is slightly different than the United States. We use an alphabet system, which basically works the same way. Traffic Procedures At controlled airports the procedures are the same; just be sure to obtain a clearance to enter the control zone PRIOR to operating within it. However, at uncontrolled airports you should be aware that joining the pattern at a 45=B0 angle is not allowed. Some differences in radio reporting requirements also exist at uncontrolled airports. The general rule is: Use your radio to report your intentions on the correct airport frequency at all times. Survival Equipment The HYPERLINK "http://tcinfo/aviation/REGSERV/CARAC/CARS/cars/602e.htm#602_61"Canadian Aviation Regulations require that you carry sufficient equipment to ensure the survival of all on board in the event of a forced landing. Remember, we have some very cold places, some very hot places, some very wet places and some very dry places. Some places afford shelter; others do not. We have some places with a large number of bothersome insects. What you carry is up to you. Given Canada=92s climate and geography, consideration must be given to: * starting a fire; * shelter; * a signaling device; * water purification; * time of year and; * location (e.g. December in Northern Ontario). Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Newbie Questions Just out of curiosity what is the official position on flying a Exp. Amateur Built vs Exp. Light sport into Canada from the US? Do our northern cousins recognize the E-SLA Category? Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97546#97546 -- 2/26/2007 2:56 PM -- 2/26/2007 2:56 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:00 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Solid riveting spar - setting solid AN6 rivets From: "ashontz" Thanks for the feedback guys. I think I'll leave them and maybe try to set a few of them a little more with the air hammer. The hammer may be a little anemic. But the results overall was pretty consistent. The spring set up helped alot with that. Check my website for details on that. The whole assembly sat on about 6 springs which let the rivet shophead just kiss the bucking bar. No cumbersome handling of the assembly was needed to move the setup closer to the bar as the rivet was set, just push from underneath with two fingers at first to keep the manufacturers head flush when first riveting, then once it starts to set, just push down with the rivet gun and the springs did their thing. When I messed around trying to make a homemade rivet squeezer I did shear a few rivets with that setup, so I know it doesn't take much to mess up a rivet, that's why I'm interested to know what's best at this point for these rivets. I agree, what I have is vastely superior to trying to drill them out. If I was going to do that I'd just rebuild the spar. Wouldn't be worth it. -------- CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97584#97584 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:09 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: vm1000 engine monitor From: "flyingmike9" hi has anybody fitted this monitor to a Rotax 912uls(100hp) if so how did you do it is it worth it or should i use something else instead recomendations please dynon is first but are there any others starting to design the instrument panel and this is the last bit will be using the normal six pack of flight instruments thank you mike lloyd england 601xl fuse 84% complete tail complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97595#97595 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:58 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: where to buy proseal Try Aircraft Spruce at this webpage, http://aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/ps890.php Dred ---- john butterfield wrote: > > hi list > i can't seem to find where to buy some pro seal for my > fuel senders > i live in in the los angeles area, maybe it has > another name, but am having no luck in finding is > john butterfield > 601XL, corvair > torrance, ca ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:27 AM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: where to buy proseal John, I have a quart of proseal that I'm not going to use. I bought it at Van's about 2 weeks ago. I don't remember how much it is, but I can look if you want it. Dave Salem, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "john butterfield" Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:30 PM Subject: Zenith-List: where to buy proseal > > > hi list > i can't seem to find where to buy some pro seal for my > fuel senders > i live in in the los angeles area, maybe it has > another name, but am having no luck in finding is > john butterfield > 601XL, corvair > torrance, ca > > > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. > http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:22 AM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying into Canada SSBrbm93IGl0IG1heSBub3QgYmUgc3BlY2lmaWNhbGx5IHplbml0aCBvcmllbnRlZCwgYnV0IEkg aGF2ZSByZW1vdmVkIHRoZQoiZG8gbip0IGFyY2hpdmUiIGZyb20gdGhlIGJvdHRvbSBtZXNzYWdl IHNvIHRoYXQgSSBjYW4gYWx3YXlzIGZpbmQgdGhpcy4KClRoYW5rcyBmb3IgdGhpcyBNYXJrIC0g 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ProSeal has a fairly short life after the can is opened (6-8 months ? ). Supposedly the can is closed in nitrogen gas and that air starts the hardening process even without hardener so an old can may not be very useful. I keep mine in the refrig to slow the process. I did a whole RV-8 fuel tank with less than a quart. Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: pacificpainting@comcast.net Sent: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: where to buy proseal John, I have a quart of proseal that I'm not going to use. I bought it at Van's about 2 weeks ago. I don't remember how much it is, but I can look if you want it. Dave Salem, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "john butterfield" Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:30 PM Subject: Zenith-List: where to buy proseal > > hi list > i can't seem to find where to buy some pro seal for my > fuel senders > i live in in the los angeles area, maybe it has > another name, but am having no luck in finding is > john butterfield > 601XL, corvair > torrance, ca > > > > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. > http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:53 AM PST US From: Brett Hanley Subject: Zenith-List: proseal sources Aircraft Spruce, Wicks or the Vans aircraft website.=0A=0ABrett ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:50 AM PST US From: Ken Lilja Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: sealing fuel senders There are various grades of sealant. One kind is designed for removable access panels. Once removed however, the old sealant needs to be removed and new applied. It is pink. The gray sealant becomes one with the universe. On Cessnas and Pipers with rubber sender gaskets, they needed to be installed dry. If Fuelube is used the rubber gasket will extrude. It is the compression that provides the seal. Cork gaskets do not extrude as much. See http://www.ppg.com/prc-desoto/main.asp?img=seal&menuID=3 Ken Lilja steveadams wrote: > > I would be hesitant to seal the senders in with proseal. I have had to replace a sender and it was relatively simple, however if it is stuck on there with proseal you'll have quite a job getting it off and cleaned up. I used the rubber gaskets with seal lube and they have been leak free for 350 hours. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97370#97370 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:07 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: What does it mean? From: "Jason" Can anyone put it in plain English? The FAA is proposing new fees and restrictions for aviation that would directly affect people that are thinking of building/flying their own LSA. True/False? Probable? I've read some about it on the EAA website, and then ran across this tidbit on the RANS aircraft page and am having a little trouble making sense of it and how it will actually apply on an everyday basis. (from here (http://www.rans.com/ELSA%20Alert.htm)) > > SPECIAL NOTICE ON REGISTERING AIRCRAFT > > ELSA ALERT: The FAA's Aircraft Registration office and the Light-Sport Aircraft Branch would like to remind all individuals converting aircraft into an Experimental Light-Sport Aircraft (ELSA) per FAR 21.191(i)(1)that there is a January 31, 2008 deadline to complete the ELSA aircraft registration, the ELSA airworthiness inspection, and the ELSA certification process. > > The FAA will guarantee that your registration and certification packet will be reviewed and your ELSA aircraft inspected in sufficient time to meet the January 31, 2008 deadline if: > 4. By August 15, 2007, you submit your aircraft registration (N-number) request to the Aircraft Registration office; and > 5. By October 1,2007, you call your local ELSA DAR to schedule your ELSA airworthiness inspection; and > 6. By November 30, 2007, you submit your aircraft airworthiness certification request packet to either a FAA Flight Standards District Office (FSDO), a FAA Manufacturing Inspection District office (MIDO), or your local ELSA DAR. Ask your local ELSA DAR which office should receive this packet. > > If you fail to complete the above steps, the FAA cannot guarantee they'll be able to complete your ELSA registration and certification inspection process prior to the January 31, 2008 deadline. > > If you need assistance in determining the exact requirements for converting your Ultralight into an ELSA, there are two industry sources available to answer any of your ELSA aircraft registration and/or certification packet requirement questions: > EAA (877-359-1232) and Rainbow Aviation (530-824-0644). > > We also encourage you to contact your affiliated ultralight association: > EAA (877-359-1232); USUA (717-339-0200); ASC (269-781-4021), or USHPA(800-616- 6888) with any questions you may have regarding the ultralight to ELSA conversion process. The FAA Light-Sport Aircraft Branch (405-954-3668) is also available to answer your ELSA certification conversion questions and to help you locate the closest ELSA DAR qualified to inspect your aircraft. > > DON'T DELAY ACT TODAY!!! > So obvioiusly I'm not going to be having anything inspected by those dates, what happens after those dates? This seems like it will affect lots and lots of folks, I was hoping some of you will have already done some of the work in figuring it all out and be willing to share? Any info/feedback greatly appreciated. Jason Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97622#97622 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:47 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What does it mean? From: "Gig Giacona" Higher taxes are bad. That said the current plan being pushed by the FAA will have little effect on the average LSA pilot. The only user fees being proposed are in Bravo airspace. The tax on AvGas will increase from 19.xx cents/Gal to 70 cents/gal so if you can run Mogas you won't be affected by that. Here's a link for the FAA's take on the plan. http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/reauthorization/media/Questions_Answers.pdf I still think taxes are bad and that this plan is being pushed by the airlines to move some of the cost off of them and on to GA but it isn't as bad as it could have been. Also, there's a real good chance that it isn't going to make it through congress anyway. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97631#97631 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:10 AM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What does it mean? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason" Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:27 AM Subject: Zenith-List: What does it mean? > > Can anyone put it in plain English? The FAA is proposing new fees and > restrictions for aviation that would directly affect people that are > thinking of building/flying their own LSA. True/False? Probable? In plain english: The FAA has created a new category called ELSA that allows (among other things) the existing unregistered "fat ultralights" to be transitioned over to registered airplanes. If you have a flying machine that does not comply with FAR103 as an Ultralight aircraft, but fits into the Light Sport category, you are allowed to register that machine as an ELSA without having to prove that it was amatuer built for educational and recreational use. This was a big stumbling point for folks that have been flying "fat UL's" that were built by someone else and sold for profit as ultralights. There is a grace period for this to happen, the grace period ends on Jan 31, 2008. Rick Pitcher Zodiac, Exp-AB ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:52 AM PST US From: "pilarcoco@netzero.net" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 take-off videos I found the following excellent short videos of the 701 on YouTube: The first is a great demonstration of the 701 s.t.o.l. capability: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59s72vYQqsI This one shows a banner towing 701! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFa4M9GmsLM Flying: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_cCInksTdg The full (longer) video with French titles can be found on Google video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4562576892875652524 The videos are from a Zenair dealer or flying school in France: http://www.ulm-torreilles.com/zenair.html They seem to have problems with knock-offs there too - the 701 says "it's not a copy" on one side and "the original model" on the other side to make the point! J.P. pilarcoco@netzero.net (just getting started on my 701) _____________________________________________________________________ FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd?c=uol5752 _____________________________________________________________________ FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd?c=uol5752 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:21 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What does it mean? From: "Jason" Thank you for that link, I just got through reading it top to bottom. Essentially, the only cost increase will be the extra 70 cents per gallon for those doing non-commercial flight. On a zodiac XL, that means somewhere in the neighborhood of an extra $15 to $20 everytime you fill up. I wonder how the FAA wouild deal with LSA's or airports that started selling/running on 93 octane gasoline (for those engines that can do both). I don't anticipate doing that, just a thought. Thank you for the feedback, excellent info. Jason Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97637#97637 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:50 AM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What does it mean? Jason, My understanding of this (and those of you who know the rules - please correct me on this) is that this year provides a UNIQUE opportunity, (a loophole of sorts!) possibly never occuring again, being granted by the FAA. Before year's end, you can take ANY unregistered aircraft that meets LSA parameters, doesnt matter who built it, doesnt matter how many owners, doesnt matter if it meets 51% rule... as long as it is airworthy for inspection -- and GET IT registered legally (as ELSA). It took a friend to make me realize how unique this opportunity is -- all of those illegal 'fat ultralights' (for lack of a better word) can be brought into a legal status once and for all. That is the purpose of this 'conversion' being offered, ending Dec 2008. >From a practical standpoint: go onto barnstormers and find that old Challenger, Kolb, Zenith, Rans, ANYTHING that is in someone's garage completely built, half built, never built - dont care about tracking ownership stuff and all the rules for experimental that we are all familiar with. Buy that gem at a great price, get it airworthy and fill out the ELSA paperwork. You have a legal aircraft at a great price that otherwise was going to rot in someone's garage... cause you KNOW they arent going to allow 2 place 'fat ultralights' to fly anymore. I feel sorry for the original owners of those that dont have pilot's licenses.. THEY are the ones getting hurt. But YOU can own it now and fly legally. That, I think, is the intent of this rule and why it has an ending date. Take advantage.. a GREAT way to get into the air - Zenith or not! (I almost get the impression that building your own aircraft kit and registering it as ELSA was a sidebar to the real intent that I explained here) Those that know this stuff better, please correct me! (I may be off base in my facts or analysis!) In fact, if you are able "unregister" (legally of course) a registered plane that you are interested in.. now you have the basis for starting over and registering it as your own, ELSA! (I've been hearing stories!) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason" Subject: Zenith-List: What does it mean? >> >> >> SPECIAL NOTICE ON REGISTERING AIRCRAFT >> >> ELSA ALERT: The FAA's Aircraft Registration office and the Light-Sport >> Aircraft Branch would like to remind all individuals converting aircraft >> into an Experimental Light-Sport Aircraft (ELSA) per FAR 21.191(i)(1)that >> there is a January 31, 2008 deadline to complete the ELSA aircraft >> registration, the ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:40 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What does it mean? Hi Jason, All the stuff you quoted means that if you don't get your airworthiness certificate by January 31,2008 you will only be able to register your home built plane as Experimental - Amateur Built. This is not a really big deal. After that date E-LSA will only work for planes that are exact copies of "Certified" S-LSA models. The new funding stuff the FAA is trying to put in place should not directly impact your flying privileges - only your wallet. Among other things, they want to increase the federal tax on Avgas from $.20 to $0.70 per gallon (give or take). They also want to implement user fees for use of FAA services like landing at busy airports and flight planning services. I think it would be a good idea for all of us to write to our congressmen and senators to ask them to oppose this new funding plan. There is still a chance this new plan will not be implemented in law. Paul XL fuselage At 08:27 AM 2/27/2007, you wrote: > >Can anyone put it in plain English? The FAA is proposing new fees >and restrictions for aviation that would directly affect people that >are thinking of building/flying their own LSA. True/False? Probable? > >I've read some about it on the EAA website, and then ran across this >tidbit on the RANS aircraft page and am having a little trouble >making sense of it and how it will actually apply on an everyday basis. > >(from here (http://www.rans.com/ELSA%20Alert.htm)) > > > > > > SPECIAL NOTICE ON REGISTERING AIRCRAFT > > > > ELSA ALERT: The FAA's Aircraft Registration office and the > Light-Sport Aircraft Branch would like to remind all individuals > converting aircraft into an Experimental Light-Sport Aircraft > (ELSA) per FAR 21.191(i)(1)that there is a January 31, 2008 > deadline to complete the ELSA aircraft registration, the ELSA > airworthiness inspection, and the ELSA certification process. > > > > The FAA will guarantee that your registration and certification > packet will be reviewed and your ELSA aircraft inspected in > sufficient time to meet the January 31, 2008 deadline if: > > 4. By August 15, 2007, you submit your aircraft registration > (N-number) request to the Aircraft Registration office; and > > 5. By October 1,2007, you call your local ELSA DAR to schedule > your ELSA airworthiness inspection; and > > 6. By November 30, 2007, you submit your aircraft > airworthiness certification request packet to either a FAA Flight > Standards District Office (FSDO), a FAA Manufacturing Inspection > District office (MIDO), or your local ELSA DAR. Ask your local ELSA > DAR which office should receive this packet. > > > > If you fail to complete the above steps, the FAA cannot guarantee > they'll be able to complete your ELSA registration and > certification inspection process prior to the January 31, 2008 deadline. > > > > If you need assistance in determining the exact requirements for > converting your Ultralight into an ELSA, there are two industry > sources available to answer any of your ELSA aircraft registration > and/or certification packet requirement questions: > > EAA (877-359-1232) and Rainbow Aviation (530-824-0644). > > > > We also encourage you to contact your affiliated ultralight association: > > EAA (877-359-1232); USUA (717-339-0200); ASC (269-781-4021), or > USHPA(800-616- 6888) with any questions you may have regarding the > ultralight to ELSA conversion process. The FAA Light-Sport Aircraft > Branch (405-954-3668) is also available to answer your ELSA > certification conversion questions and to help you locate the > closest ELSA DAR qualified to inspect your aircraft. > > > > DON'T DELAY ACT TODAY!!! > > > > >So obvioiusly I'm not going to be having anything inspected by those >dates, what happens after those dates? > >This seems like it will affect lots and lots of folks, I was hoping >some of you will have already done some of the work in figuring it >all out and be willing to share? > >Any info/feedback greatly appreciated. > >Jason > > ---- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:51 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: Off Topic: Experience tops youth in study on aging pilots The original article can be found on SFGate.com here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/02/27/BAGCGOBHLD1.D TL --------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, February 27, 2007 (SF Chronicle) HEALTH AND SCIENCE/Experience tops youth in study on aging pilots Carl T. Hall, Chronicle Science Writer Experience proved more durable than youth in a study released Monday on the effects of aging on airplane pilots. Researchers affiliated with Stanford University and the Veterans Administration in Palo Alto studied pilot performance in flight simulators over three years. The study looked at general aviation pilots between the ages of 40 and 69 when the study began, rated in three different skill levels -- novices or recreational pilots, pilots rated for instrument flight, and certified flight instructors or professional air-transport pilots. Not surprisingly, the most highly skilled pilots scored best as the testing began, and their performance held up as the testing was repeated during the three years. At the same time, the older pilots generally had lower scores than younger pilots in the same skill category. As the experiment continued, however, the older pilots improved more than the younger pilots. Overall, pilots in their 60s improved on average over the three years, while those in their 40s and 50s declined. The younger pilots still had an edge despite the narrowing age gap. But the findings suggest that people with the most expertise who stay active in their careers don't necessarily lose ground when they reach traditional retirement age. Instead, the study suggested that "crystallized knowledge" based on years of practice may allow pilots -- like musicians or athletes, and possibly many other categories of "older expert workers" -- to adapt surprisingly well to the declines of normal aging. The results come as the Federal Aviation Administration is drafting a proposed rule change to allow commercial jet pilots in the United States to stay in the cockpit beyond age 60, the current maximum, until they reach age 65. International rules already allow airline pilots to fly until age 65, so long as a pilot younger than 60 also is present. Pilots in general aviation can fly at any age, as long as they pass regular medical tests. The age restriction forced the Stanford-VA study to exclude commercial airline pilots, because lack of practice might have skewed the results if retired pilots were tested over time. Nor was the study set up to find any optimal age for any class of pilot. The study appears in the latest issue of the journal Neurology. Joy Taylor, lead author and assistant director of the Aging Clinical Research Center, a joint project of Stanford and the Palo Alto VA, said there's no doubt that people decline on some mental agility measures as they get older, beginning long before traditional retirement age. "For many years, it's been known some cognitive abilities really start to decline after about the age of 25," she said. "The question is, what does it really matter in the real world if you are a little slower performing on some cognitive test?" A few milliseconds may not hamper effectiveness at a job that expects life-or-death decisions to be made not only quickly, but appropriately, "based on prior knowledge," she said. Other studies have tried to compare older and younger pilots, but the Palo Alto researchers appear to be the first careful attempt to track the same group of pilots over a period of time. Researchers said they were surprised to detect an apparent improvement with advancing age, although that was only for the most-skilled individuals. Taylor and her colleagues put 118 pilots between the ages of 40 and 69 when the study began through a rigorous flight-simulation test once a year for three years. The equipment mimicked the cockpit of a small, single-engine fixed-propeller aircraft flying above flat terrain with surrounding mountains. Pilots heard mock commands from air-traffic controllers and had to deal with randomly generated "emergency situations," such as engine malfunctions and suddenly approaching airplanes. Scores were recorded automatically as the pilots maneuvered around air traffic, responded to flight control commands, scanned instruments and came in for landings. Flight simulations were followed by a battery of cognitive tests. As the tests were repeated, the scores of pilots in their 60s held up better than those in their 40s and 50s, and actually improved in terms of overall flight performance, mostly because the older pilots did better over time at traffic avoidance. Age alone could be used to predict flight performance to some degree, Taylor said, but many factors besides "raw cognitive abilities" came into play to determine competency. Cognitive quickness, Taylor noted, "is relevant to flying an airplane, but so is expertise." Other experts said the study highlights the need for better competency testing in many critical jobs as the workforce ages and people try to work past traditional retirement age. "People will be getting a little slower, maybe their working memory is slowing down a little bit, and maybe even their novel problem-solving is slowing down a little bit," said Joel Kramer, a psychologist in memory and aging research at UCSF. "But how do you decide on an arbitrary age cutoff?" An editorial in the same medical journal also said the study had implications "well beyond aviation," noting the rapid aging of the population means increasing numbers of older workers in critical occupations. "It is time to reconsider fixed age limits for the workplace and consider transitioning to competency-based evaluations of performance," said the editorial authors, Dr. Joseph L. Sirven of the Mayo Clinic and Daniel G. Morrow of the University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana. "Better simulation techniques need to be developed not only in aviation, but also in medicine and other careers where public safety is at risk." FAA officials declined to be interviewed but invited the study authors to submit their data during the public comment period on the proposed rule change. E-mail Carl Hall at chall@sfchronicle.com. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 2007 SF Chronicle do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:52 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Off Topic: Experience tops youth in study on aging pilots It's like P. J. O'Rourke once said, "Experience, guile, and ruthlessness beat youth, innocence, and a bad haircut everytime". Dred Definitely Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Off Topic: Experience tops youth in study on aging pilots ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:58 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...? From: "ashontz" These guys carry 6061-T6. There's a store 500 feet down the street from me that just opened up. http://www.fastenal.com/web/locations.ex?action=search&zip=&state=NJ -------- CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97669#97669 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:23 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What does it mean? From: "Jason" *smiles* I can't help it..I have to respond to this even if it is way over the top: > > The new funding stuff the FAA is trying to put in place should not > directly impact your flying privileges - only your wallet. > Money is the primary control attribute in any number of issues. Taxation without represnentation was one of the things that set off the eventual creation of the USA after all. Right now..how is Congress thinking of controlling our forces in Iraq? By controlling money of course. I know I know, it's way over the top; but the idea that it doesn't impact our privlegies just our wallet isn't quite right. Anyways, just had to get that off my chest. Jason \I know I took that outside the lines of your intent, it just grabbed my attention. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97675#97675 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:50 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Off Topic: Experience tops youth in study on aging pilots From: "Gig Giacona" I was going to use the exact same PJ quote. You beat me to it. DO NOT ARCHIVE -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97685#97685 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:58 PM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying into Canada Mark Thanks for the excellent summary. You did not address Tim's query about E-LSA's. I asked the EAA the same question, but they never replyed. Specifically, do you know whether Transport Canada has ever authorized entry by pilots flying an Experimental-Light Sport Aircraft, or an Experimental-Amatuer Built Aircraft, under US light sport rules, i.e., without a current class 3 medical? Terry Phillips At 07:36 AM 2/27/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Canada is a great choice destination for aviators from the United States. >We are just different enough to make your trip interesting, but not so >different that you would be uncomfortable. Our country is renowned for its >thousands of square miles of pristine wilderness, ideal for all outdoor >pursuits. We invite you to also experience our cities; they represent a >unique and pleasant experience of their own. There's something for everyone. > >In order to help with your plans for a trip to Canada, we've prepared the >following summary of information. Remember, it's not that different. > >We have developed our own aviation system and our own procedures in >response to our climate and geography, which differ slightly from what you >are used to, but they will not make flying unmanageable. > > >Mark Townsend > >Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. > >president@can-zacaviation.com > >www.can-zacaviation.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl >Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:23 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Newbie Questions > > > > >Just out of curiosity what is the official position on flying a Exp. >Amateur Built vs Exp. Light sport into Canada from the US? Do our >northern cousins recognize the E-SLA Category? > > >Tim > > >-------- > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > >______________ > >CFII > >Champ L16A flying > >Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A > >Working on wings Terry Phillips ttp44@rkymtn.net ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:18 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 take-off videos You can bet that there was 12-18 MPH wind down that runway! Great video!!!!!! Bob Spudis In a message dated 2/27/2007 12:03:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pilarcoco@netzero.net writes: I found the following excellent short videos of the 701 on YouTube: The first is a great demonstration of the 701 s.t.o.l. capability: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59s72vYQqsI


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:48 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: where to buy proseal I haven't opened mine, so it's just like new. ----- Original Message ----- From: japhillipsga@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: where to buy proseal Dave, you can buy ProSeal from Aircraft Spruce in pint and quart cans. ProSeal has a fairly short life after the can is opened (6-8 months ? ). Supposedly the can is closed in nitrogen gas and that air starts the hardening process even without hardener so an old can may not be very useful. I keep mine in the refrig to slow the process. I did a whole RV-8 fuel tank with less than a quart. Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: pacificpainting@comcast.net To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: where to buy proseal John, I have a quart of proseal that I'm not going to use. I bought it at Van's about 2 weeks ago. I don't remember how much it is, but I can look if you want it. Dave Salem, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "john butterfield" To: "Zenith-List Digest Server" Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:30 PM Subject: Zenith-List: where to buy proseal > > hi list > i can't seem to find where to buy some pro seal for my > fuel senders > i live in in the los angeles area, maybe it has > another name, but am having no luck in finding is > john butterfield > 601XL, corvair > torrance, ca > > > > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. > http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:47 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...? Thanks for the "heads up". They have a store the next town over from me, never knew they existed, looks like a good find. Bob Spudis Do not archive In a message dated 2/27/2007 2:47:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ashontz@nbme.org writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" These guys carry 6061-T6. There's a store 500 feet down the street from me that just opened up. http://www.fastenal.com/web/locations.ex?action=search&zip=&state=NJ -------- CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:44 PM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying into Canada >From what I have heard from Transport Canada, at this time LSAs are not allowed in Canada unless they have a gross weight bellow 1200 lbs and then it meets the Basic Ultralight regulations. One other problem is the Sport Pilot Driver's License Medical is not acceptable to Transport. They say it never will be but that point is debatable. Once the Sport Pilot rules (including the med) prove they are safe, Transport might look at the medical standards further. As for the LSAs future in Canada. It is supposedly in the works. Transport Canada and the national aviation organizations are sorting it out. Maybe later this year we will know a bit more. Do Not Archive Doug MacDonald NW Ontario, Canada CH-701 Scratch Builder Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:17 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...? From: "ashontz" [quote="NYTerminat(at)aol.com"]Thanks for the "heads up". They have a store the next town over from me, never knew they existed, looks like a good find. Bob Spudis Do not archive In a message dated 2/27/2007 2:47:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ashontz@nbme.org writes: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" > > These guys carry 6061-T6. There's a store 500 feet down the street from me that just opened up. > > http://www.fastenal.com/web/locations.ex?action=search&zip=&state=NJ > > -------- > CH601XL - Corvair > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > [b] I just went in the one near me for the first time yesterday. They seem to have a lot of locations. The guy working there is looking into availability of sheet. They can order a lot of stuff. May not even get charged for shipping seeing as how these places get a lot of shipments anyway. They wound up having the 1/2 x 1/4 x 12 foot 6061-T6 bar I needed for the spars, right on the shelf. And here I was driving 170 miles roundtrip to N. Jersey for the same thing that was literally 500 feet down the street. Well, ok, maybe 850 feet. -------- CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97722#97722 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:45 PM PST US From: Ben52425@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: corvair oil level HELP CORVAIR ENGINE I NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH OIL TO PUT IN THE ENGINE? I HAVE W. W. DEEP OIL PAN AND A REMOTE OIL FILTER FIVE OR SIX QUART, S? GETTING READY TO FIRE IT UP THANK YOU BEN N524B ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:59 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: corvair oil level I think with the WW pan it will hold up to 7 but do fine on 5. I'd figure the cost of one more quart is minimal in comparison the time/money invested in the engine, so why not at least six? Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben52425@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Zenith-List: corvair oil level HELP CORVAIR ENGINE I NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH OIL TO PUT IN THE ENGINE? I HAVE W. W. DEEP OIL PAN AND A REMOTE OIL FILTER FIVE OR SIX QUART, S? GETTING READY TO FIRE IT UP THANK YOU BEN N524B ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:16 PM PST US From: Flydog1966@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Solid riveting spar - setting solid AN6 rivets In a message dated 2/26/2007 9:29:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, naumuk@alltel.net writes: In fact >, they're just not going any further. The shape is > nice, just not expanding anymore, nor are they compressing anymore. do not archive No matter how work hardened your rivets are,(or what size bucking bar your using) you should be able to flatten them puppies flatter than a pancake ! Do you have a regulator on your compressor? Turn it up more. Same if there is a regulator on your gun. Watch the regulator gauge as you drive a test rivet.Does the pressure drop to low? Or just fer shins-n-grigles, take the gun,and test piece, to your local garage where they have a real compressor,and ask them if you can try it there. That is if your using one of those small tank "home" compressors. I'm not saying they wont work,I have used them just fine,but maybe your model will not. I just can not believe that a good rivet gun,with adequate air pressure ,and flow rate, will not pound the crap out of them. Phil Day 701 scrap builder


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:38 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: corvair oil level "When calibrating your dipstick, put 5 quarts of oil in the engine, and prime the oil pump to fill the filter. Note this as the low mark on the stick with the airplane in its ground attitude. Most airplanes can use 2 or 3 quarts more than this, but we generally fly with 6 in the plane." http://www.flycorvair.com/oilpan.html -- Craig ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:47 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flying into Canada I asked a similar question, going the other way, on a Canadian group. The reply I got was at this time Canada doesn't recognize the driver's license medical used in sport pilot. The U.S doesn't recognize the Canadian Class 4 medical declaration ( Recreational Pilot Permit...me) I was also told civil servants on both sides of the 49th are supposed to be working diligently (ya right!) to get reciprocal recognition. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Phillips Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying into Canada Mark Thanks for the excellent summary. You did not address Tim's query about E-LSA's. I asked the EAA the same question, but they never replyed. Specifically, do you know whether Transport Canada has ever authorized entry by pilots flying an Experimental-Light Sport Aircraft, or an Experimental-Amatuer Built Aircraft, under US light sport rules, i.e., without a current class 3 medical? Terry Phillips At 07:36 AM 2/27/2007 -0500, you wrote: Canada is a great choice destination for aviators from the United States. We are just different enough to make your trip interesting, but not so different that you would be uncomfortable. Our country is renowned for its thousands of square miles of pristine wilderness, ideal for all outdoor pursuits. We invite you to also experience our cities; they represent a unique and pleasant experience of their own. There's something for everyone. In order to help with your plans for a trip to Canada, we've prepared the following summary of information. Remember, it's not that different. We have developed our own aviation system and our own procedures in response to our climate and geography, which differ slightly from what you are used to, but they will not make flying unmanageable. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Newbie Questions Just out of curiosity what is the official position on flying a Exp. Amateur Built vs Exp. Light sport into Canada from the US? Do our northern cousins recognize the E-SLA Category? Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Terry Phillips ttp44@rkymtn.net ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:10 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: where to buy proseal properly sealed Proseal can last a long time, longer than 8 months, Ive been using one that is over two years old, no problem, just seal it well, no pun intended. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Dave Ruddiman >Sent: Feb 27, 2007 5:09 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: where to buy proseal > >I haven't opened mine, so it's just like new. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: japhillipsga@aol.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:47 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: where to buy proseal > > > Dave, you can buy ProSeal from Aircraft Spruce in pint and quart cans. ProSeal has a fairly short life after the can is opened (6-8 months ? ). Supposedly the can is closed in nitrogen gas and that air starts the hardening process even without hardener so an old can may not be very useful. I keep mine in the refrig to slow the process. I did a whole RV-8 fuel tank with less than a quart. Best regards, Bill of Georgia > > -----Original Message----- > From: pacificpainting@comcast.net > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:19 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: where to buy proseal > > > > John, > > I have a quart of proseal that I'm not going to use. I bought it at Van's about 2 weeks ago. I don't remember how much it is, but I can look if you want it. > > Dave > Salem, Oregon > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "john butterfield" > To: "Zenith-List Digest Server" > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:30 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: where to buy proseal > > > > > hi list > > i can't seem to find where to buy some pro seal for my > > fuel senders > > i live in in the los angeles area, maybe it has > > another name, but am having no luck in finding is > > john butterfield > > 601XL, corvair > > torrance, ca > > > > > > > > Be a PS3 game guru. > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. > > http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:25 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: What does it mean? there are additional costs, if you land in any field, there will ultimately be a landing fee. Not just towered fields. the new prpoosed deal is a phased in approach. do you want to pay $3.80/gal plus $0.70 more per gallon, that is $25.00 more per fill up? plus $30.00 on average every time you want to go for that $100.00 now $140.00 hamburger run? Europe's system is an utter failure. Our system is well funded the way it is, the only reason this is coming to the table is due to FAA's fundung coming up again, and the ATA's lobbiist doing a damned good job. GA is less than 600,000 people now, and Trasnport is not doing well at all. they cannot make money. Guess who is recommending the new proposed system, ATA. Only $0.70? add that to the cost to train in an area that the population is getting smaller. -----Original Message----- >From: Jason >Sent: Feb 27, 2007 12:10 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What does it mean? > > >Thank you for that link, I just got through reading it top to bottom. Essentially, the only cost increase will be the extra 70 cents per gallon for those doing non-commercial flight. On a zodiac XL, that means somewhere in the neighborhood of an extra $15 to $20 everytime you fill up. > >I wonder how the FAA wouild deal with LSA's or airports that started selling/running on 93 octane gasoline (for those engines that can do both). I don't anticipate doing that, just a thought. > >Thank you for the feedback, excellent info. > >Jason > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97637#97637 > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:35 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: What does it mean? there are additional costs, if you land in any field, there will ultimately be a landing fee. Not just towered fields. the new prpoosed deal is a phased in approach. do you want to pay $3.80/gal plus $0.70 more per gallon, that is $25.00 more per fill up? plus $30.00 on average every time you want to go for that $100.00 now $140.00 hamburger run? Europe's system is an utter failure. Our system is well funded the way it is, the only reason this is coming to the table is due to FAA's fundung coming up again, and the ATA's lobbiist doing a damned good job. GA is less than 600,000 people now, and Trasnport is not doing well at all. they cannot make money. Guess who is recommending the new proposed system, ATA. Only $0.70? add that to the cost to train in an area that the population is getting smaller. -----Original Message----- >From: Jason >Sent: Feb 27, 2007 12:10 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What does it mean? > > >Thank you for that link, I just got through reading it top to bottom. Essentially, the only cost increase will be the extra 70 cents per gallon for those doing non-commercial flight. On a zodiac XL, that means somewhere in the neighborhood of an extra $15 to $20 everytime you fill up. > >I wonder how the FAA wouild deal with LSA's or airports that started selling/running on 93 octane gasoline (for those engines that can do both). I don't anticipate doing that, just a thought. > >Thank you for the feedback, excellent info. > >Jason > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97637#97637 > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:06 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Solid riveting spar - setting solid AN6 rivets From: "ashontz" [quote="Flydog1966(at)aol.com"]In a message dated 2/26/2007 9:29:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, naumuk@alltel.net writes: > In fact > > > , they're just not going any further. The shape is > > nice, just not expanding anymore, nor are they compressing anymore. > > > > do not archive No matter how work hardened your rivets are,(or what size bucking bar your using) you should be able to flatten them puppies flatter than a pancake ! Do you have a regulator on your compressor? Turn it up more. Same if there is a regulator on your gun. Watch the regulator gauge as you drive a test rivet.Does the pressure drop to low? Or just fer shins-n-grigles, take the gun,and test piece, to your local garage where they have a real compressor,and ask them if you can try it there. That is if your using one of those small tank "home" compressors. I'm not saying they wont work,I have used them just fine,but maybe your model will not. I just can not believe that a good rivet gun,with adequate air pressure ,and flow rate, will not pound the crap out of them. Phil Day 701 scrap builder > [b] Thanks for the tips. My compressor goes up to 150 psi and has about a 10 gallon tank. Not sure about the rating on the riveter, but it's a reall one, not some Home Depot cheapy. I thought about trying the bucking bar on the floor rather than the table. May make a difference. -------- CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97760#97760 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:04 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What does it mean? From: "Tim Juhl" As someone who has been thru a few FAA related scares in the past, may I suggest the following. The AOPA and to a slightly lesser extent the EAA have long been champions of general aviation and our freedom to fly. They work tirelessly to protect our interests and have a good record of success. I have belonged to both AOPA and EAA for over 30 years and responded when they put out the call to contact our legislators and others. I for one do not plan to give in to the FAA's ill-planned attempt to bring in user fees without a fight. I urge all of you to support the AOPA and EAA and do the same. There is power in numbers. Tim Juhl -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97765#97765 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:39 PM PST US From: "Steve Hulland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: What does it mean? Gig, User Fees and the FAA's current plan will make not make it through congress if nobody, and I mean nobody, goes along with any of it. Yes, the program will have a very bad affect on LSA and all of general aviation. Worse, it will cause us to lose the freedom to fly anywhere, at almost anytime. Why not have user fees for cars, just think $1.00 for every stop sign you stop at; $1.00 for every red light you use; $5.00 for entering the interstate; then increase fuel taxes many times - and don't forget, reduce everything for truckers because they are commercial and the highways and roadways are for them, not the general driving public. You need to rethink you support of the FAA - it is far worse than you think. Are you an airline pilot? -- Semper Fi, Steven R. Hulland CH 600 Taildragger Amado, AZ This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure virus free email and attachments. ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:47 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flying into Canada Terry your right, I will contact Transport tomorrow. I believe that the plane is able to enter into Canada but the pilot needs to have a private or better license. Our Recreational permit in Canada is not allowed to fly in the U.S. and your LSA permit will not allow you to cross into Canada. Our Ultralight pilots may cross into the U.S. authorization but the U.S. Ultralights may not cross into Canada due to the fact that U.S. ultralight pilots don=92t have any license. I answered Tim=92s enquiry knowing that he holds a private license and did not consider the LSA permit. Now having said all that and I will check into it for everyone, I know that harmonization between the two countries is under serious consideration and we may see something come into effect by years end which would allow LSA and Recreational permits to cross the border either way. ( but not U.S. Recreational permit, that is a different animal altogether.) Both planes Gross and pilots permits are being discussed at Transport Canada=92s CARAC meetings. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Phillips Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying into Canada Mark Thanks for the excellent summary. You did not address Tim's query about E-LSA's. I asked the EAA the same question, but they never replyed. Specifically, do you know whether Transport Canada has ever authorized entry by pilots flying an Experimental-Light Sport Aircraft, or an Experimental-Amatuer Built Aircraft, under US light sport rules, i.e., without a current class 3 medical? Terry Phillips At 07:36 AM 2/27/2007 -0500, you wrote: Canada is a great choice destination for aviators from the United States. We are just different enough to make your trip interesting, but not so different that you would be uncomfortable. Our country is renowned for its thousands of square miles of pristine wilderness, ideal for all outdoor pursuits. We invite you to also experience our cities; they represent a unique and pleasant experience of their own. There=92s something for everyone. In order to help with your plans for a trip to Canada, we've prepared the following summary of information. Remember, it=92s not that different. We have developed our own aviation system and our own procedures in response to our climate and geography, which differ slightly from what you are used to, but they will not make flying unmanageable. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [HYPERLINK "mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com"mailto:owner-zenith-list- server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Newbie Questions Just out of curiosity what is the official position on flying a Exp. Amateur Built vs Exp. Light sport into Canada from the US? Do our northern cousins recognize the E-SLA Category? Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Terry Phillips ttp44@rkymtn.net "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com -- 2/27/2007 3:24 PM -- 2/27/2007 3:24 PM ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:18 PM PST US From: "raymondj" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flying into Canada Another possible solution? Is it possible for a U.S. citizen to get a Canadian 4th class medical? Would that solve any problems? Could you operate in Canada with a U.S. sport license and a Canadian 4th class medical if the plane met the requirements? Could you hold a U.S. Private license and no U.S. medical and fly in Canada with a 4th class medical? Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ZodieRocket Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:50 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flying into Canada Terry your right, I will contact Transport tomorrow. I believe that the plane is able to enter into Canada but the pilot needs to have a private or better license. Our Recreational permit in Canada is not allowed to fly in the U.S. and your LSA permit will not allow you to cross into Canada. Our Ultralight pilots may cross into the U.S. authorization but the U.S. Ultralights may not cross into Canada due to the fact that U.S. ultralight pilots dont have any license. I answered Tims enquiry knowing that he holds a private license and did not consider the LSA permit. Now having said all that and I will check into it for everyone, I know that harmonization between the two countries is under serious consideration and we may see something come into effect by years end which would allow LSA and Recreational permits to cross the border either way. ( but not U.S. Recreational permit, that is a different animal altogether.) Both planes Gross and pilots permits are being discussed at Transport Canadas CARAC meetings. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Phillips Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:25 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying into Canada Mark Thanks for the excellent summary. You did not address Tim's query about E-LSA's. I asked the EAA the same question, but they never replyed. Specifically, do you know whether Transport Canada has ever authorized entry by pilots flying an Experimental-Light Sport Aircraft, or an Experimental-Amatuer Built Aircraft, under US light sport rules, i.e., without a current class 3 medical? Terry Phillips At 07:36 AM 2/27/2007 -0500, you wrote: Canada is a great choice destination for aviators from the United States. We are just different enough to make your trip interesting, but not so different that you would be uncomfortable. Our country is renowned for its thousands of square miles of pristine wilderness, ideal for all outdoor pursuits. We invite you to also experience our cities; they represent a unique and pleasant experience of their own. Theres something for everyone. In order to help with your plans for a trip to Canada, we've prepared the following summary of information. Remember, its not that different. We have developed our own aviation system and our own procedures in response to our climate and geography, which differ slightly from what you are used to, but they will not make flying unmanageable. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:23 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Newbie Questions Just out of curiosity what is the official position on flying a Exp. Amateur Built vs Exp. Light sport into Canada from the US? Do our northern cousins recognize the E-SLA Category? Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Terry Phillips ttp44@rkymtn.net - The Zenith-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com -- 2/27/2007 3:24 PM -- 2/27/2007 3:24 PM ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:42 PM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flying into Canada Thanks, Mark In my case, I would be looking at flying with a PPL, but flying light sport without a class 3 medical, i.e., with a driver's license. As long as you're asking, try to find out about that situation. Thank you for looking into this for us. It would be great if our respective governments would get together and develop rules with reasonable reciprocity for each other's pilots. Terry At 11:49 PM 2/27/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Terry your right, I will contact Transport tomorrow. I believe that the >plane is able to enter into Canada but the pilot needs to have a private >or better license. Our Recreational permit in Canada is not allowed to fly >in the U.S. and your LSA permit will not allow you to cross into Canada. >Our Ultralight pilots may cross into the U.S. authorization but the U.S. >Ultralights may not cross into Canada due to the fact that U.S. ultralight >pilots don't have any license. I answered Tim's enquiry knowing that he >holds a private license and did not consider the LSA permit. > > >Now having said all that and I will check into it for everyone, I know >that harmonization between the two countries is under serious >consideration and we may see something come into effect by years end which >would allow LSA and Recreational permits to cross the border either way. ( >but not U.S. Recreational permit, that is a different animal altogether.) >Both planes Gross and pilots permits are being discussed at Transport >Canada's CARAC meetings. > > >Mark Townsend > >Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. 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