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1. 04:16 AM - Re: Torque tube (Beckman, Rick)
2. 04:33 AM - Re: Torque tube (wade jones)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: Torque tube (Bryan Martin)
4. 05:54 AM - Re: dual throttles (Richard Vetterli)
5. 06:01 AM - Re: Hangar Doors (Aaron Gustafson)
6. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: Motivation (Aaron Gustafson)
7. 06:41 AM - Corvair 3100 for sale (lamont)
8. 06:51 AM - Re: 601XL Canopy fitting process. (Dino Bortolin)
9. 07:40 AM - Re: Corvair motor mount (Jason Bogli)
10. 08:51 AM - Re: dual throttles (ronlee)
11. 09:40 AM - Re: Torque tube (Southern Reflections)
12. 10:09 AM - Re: LRI versus Stall warning (ronlee)
13. 10:20 AM - Member location (robert stone)
14. 01:32 PM - Re: Motivation (ashontz)
15. 01:37 PM - Corvair motor mount (Matt Stecher)
16. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: LRI versus Stall warning (japhillipsga@aol.com)
17. 01:43 PM - Re: Motivation (ashontz)
18. 01:57 PM - Re: Solid riveting spar - setting solid AN6 rivets (ashontz)
19. 02:00 PM - Re: aileron trim system (ashontz)
20. 02:03 PM - Re: aileron trim system (ashontz)
21. 02:19 PM - Re: What does it mean? (ashontz)
22. 02:25 PM - Re: 601 XL Nose Rib 4 (PatrickW)
23. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL Nose Rib 4 (Michael Valentine)
24. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: aileron trim system (Bryan Martin)
25. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: dual throttles (Phil Maxson)
26. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: dual throttles (David Downey)
27. 06:15 PM - Re: Corvair 3100 for sale (Ron Lendon)
28. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: Corvair 3100 for sale (Craig Payne)
29. 06:45 PM - Re: 601 XL Nose Rib 4 (Ron Lendon)
30. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: dual throttles (Craig Payne)
31. 06:53 PM - Re: dual throttles (Ron Lendon)
32. 07:21 PM - Re: aileron trim system (ashontz)
33. 09:37 PM - lri gauge (john butterfield)
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Wade, Paul (and others), the stick hooks onto
the torque tube and the elevator cables connect to the stick. As the
cables are tensioned, rear pulling force is exerted onto the stick and
torque tube holding it in place. I had the same Q's in the beginning. It
will be OK, I assure you.
Rick Beckman
Zodie Rocket XL 52EB (r)
Midwest Mudworks
729 MSL and sinking
www.sharbo.us/thebird
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Hi Wade,
I'm probably misunderstanding this situation. On my torque tube there
is a welded steel bar on the rear end that connects to the ailerons. I
don't know if this does much to keep the tube in place, but eventually
it would stop forward movement.
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 05:08 PM 3/1/2007, you wrote:
Hello group ,Am I missing something with my control stick /torque tube
.I can find nothing other than the cables from the elevator to keep the
torque tube from coming forward .Have I missed finding a forward stop
somewhere , Seems as though there should be a stop similar to the one
controlling the rearward movement .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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Thanks Group for the replys on the torque tube . This puts my mind at
ease on this issue .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Beckman, Rick
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 6:14 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Torque tube
Wade, Paul (and others), the stick hooks onto
the torque tube and the elevator cables connect to the stick. As the
cables are tensioned, rear pulling force is exerted onto the stick and
torque tube holding it in place. I had the same Q's in the beginning. It
will be OK, I assure you.
Rick Beckman
Zodie Rocket XL 52EB =AE
Midwest Mudworks
729 MSL and sinking
www.sharbo.us/thebird
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Hi Wade,
I'm probably misunderstanding this situation. On my torque tube there
is a welded steel bar on the rear end that connects to the ailerons. I
don't know if this does much to keep the tube in place, but eventually
it would stop forward movement.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 05:08 PM 3/1/2007, you wrote:
Hello group ,Am I missing something with my control stick /torque tube
.I can find nothing other than the cables from the elevator to keep the
torque tube from coming forward .Have I missed finding a forward stop
somewhere , Seems as though there should be a stop similar to the one
controlling the rearward movement .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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I have the Zenith supplied Volkswagon radiator. I think it's the
same one used for the Rotax installation. I don't have an oil cooler,
just cooling air flowing around the oil pan.
On Mar 1, 2007, at 10:15 PM, Southern Reflections wrote:
> Bryan,this is off sub ,but what type of cooler are you using on
> your ram subaru JOE N101HD
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: dual throttles |
Check out Williams Wynne's sight (www.flycorvair.com).
He has a picture (I think it is on Phil Maxon's 601)
showing dual control rods running from the IP to a
control bar on the firewall which controls one
throttle cable.
Rich Vetterli
601XL/Corvair
Wings & tail complete. Working on engine and waiting
for fuselage kit.
Check out my progress at www.geocities.com/stixx5a
TV dinner still cooling?
Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
http://tv.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Hangar Doors |
One consideration I have not seen mentioned for those of us who live in the
snow belts, is do you have to move snow to open the door. Only the ones that
go up are immune.
Aaron do not archive
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This may or may not help with motivation but I started my scratch built HD
in February of 1996. I hope to fly it this spring. Took a 3 year vacation
from it about in the middle. I had another plane to fly in the meantime
though, on which I put 440 hours.
Just keep picking away at it and if you get tired or discouraged with one
part, build something else and come back to the other.
And as Chris Heinz says "don't sacrifice your family for an airplane".
Aaron do not archive
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| Subject: | Corvair 3100 for sale |
I may be interested in selling my Corvair 3100 conversion. The vast
majority of the assembly was done in WW's shop with excellent care by
his personnel. It is nearly a complete FWF and includes nitrided crank,
prop, prop hub, starter, MA-3SPA, new style nosebowl, ignition, dynamo,
angle port exhaust, and several premium extras. I suspect that it would
take quite a bit of time to get a running 3100 if you do not already
have the conversion parts and the parts from WW. Email me off-list if
interested.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Canopy fitting process. |
Did you look at
http://www.ch601.org/resources/canopy_install/Canopyfitting2.pdf
Dino
On 3/1/07, Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Has anyone come up with a better way to fit the canopy than the use of the
> plywood template as shown in 6-C-3A of the assembly manual?
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98120#98120
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
Wondering whether anyone had the dimensions for a 601xl corvair motor mount.
Thanks in advance
Jason.
----- Original Message -----
From: "lamont" <lamont.s@greenempire.net>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:41 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair 3100 for sale
>
> I may be interested in selling my Corvair 3100 conversion. The vast
> majority of the assembly was done in WW's shop with excellent care by
> his personnel. It is nearly a complete FWF and includes nitrided crank,
> prop, prop hub, starter, MA-3SPA, new style nosebowl, ignition, dynamo,
> angle port exhaust, and several premium extras. I suspect that it would
> take quite a bit of time to get a running 3100 if you do not already
> have the conversion parts and the parts from WW. Email me off-list if
> interested.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: dual throttles |
I flew my 701 for 60 hours with two throttles. I had the same concern about operating
the right throttle while the left is locked. I sat in the right seat and
found I could operate the pilot side throttle just fine. I took the right side
throttle out and put a glove box there, now that is a handy item.
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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Bryan couldyou send me a couple of picts.? Thanks Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Martin
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Torque tube
I have the Zenith supplied Volkswagon radiator. I think it's the same
one used for the Rotax installation. I don't have an oil cooler, just
cooling air flowing around the oil pan.
On Mar 1, 2007, at 10:15 PM, Southern Reflections wrote:
Bryan,this is off sub ,but what type of cooler are you using on your
ram subaru JOE N101HD
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: LRI versus Stall warning |
I fly a 701, 100 Hp. I have a steam gage (machanical) LRI. I have flown with it
since the first hour of flight, so I feel I can speak with some authority about
the usefullness of it. As others have said it does not just tell when a stall
is near, but one can see all the way down the scale as lift reserve is diminishing
right down to the actual stall. As we all know the stall does not always
occur at the same airspeed, it depends on the load, outside temperature etc.
If one wants to maintain a certaain degree of lift reserve on landing it can
only be done with a LRI . This can't be done with an ASI as the stall speed changes
depending on all of the above.
Has my LRI been usefull, yes. One time my pitot was pluged by an insect that had
laid eggs of some sort way up in the pitot tube. I was about fifty feet in
the air and noticed very little air speed on the ASI .By looking at the LRI I
was assured that I had sufficent speed, lift to maintain a safe flight. When it
came time to land I could be assured I had enough lift to do it safley and without
excessive speed. All my landings are done by refering to the LRI. Would
I be without one in a STOL airplane, no. I am told that near every plane in Alaska
has a LRI.
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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Members,
Any member living in Enid, Oklahoma or near by please contact me
off net.
Tracy Stone
ZodiacXL
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brothapig(at)HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
> Ok guys and gals. This email serves two purposes. I need to know what others
do to keep motivated during a project. I've just gotten started in this whole
scratch building process due to the money part of it, after completing the
tail from a kit. Slow going compared to the kit! And I'm wondering if my parts
are going to be alright, and if I'm making them to the right tolerances, if
my bending radius is correct, if .5mm variance is ok, etc etc etc. (I don't
need answers to those questions, I'm just venting :) )
>
> So, onto the second part of this email. Part of my diminishing motivation is
the fact that I'm stuck with one part. I'm working on my spar, and I can't seem
to think of a way to secure the angle to the web while I'm drilling my rivet
holes. It's such a long piece, and I don't want to build in a warp. What
have others done during this phase?
>
> Whew. I feel a little better now. Sorry for the vent.
>
> (by the way, it's a 701)
Spar drilling. Lot's of clamps. Then clecos obviously.
Motivation, break it down into smaller projects. Right now you're not building
a plane, you're building an assembly of a plane, and to break it down further
you're building an assembly of an assembly. Enjoy watching each piece come together
correctly. Later you'll put it all together into a plane. Don't put a tme
limit on yourself. Just look at the time in the garage as YOUR time. That's
it.
--------
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Corvair motor mount |
Jason and list,
I have kept the following on my computer, but still have a few questions on
the same topic.
If that does not work you can search for "HDS center of thrust/corvair
mount" and that should turn it up. It is also listed at message number
37025 and was posted on Jan 21, 2006.
Attached per reference is the message that this search will find:
"My 601XL WW mount has the datum about 14-3/8" in front of the firewall and
it cants to the left about 2 or 3 degrees (obviously I haven't tried to
measure the angle very accurately)."
Looking at the plans ... the datum point vertical reference is the upper
longerons intersection with the firewall. Though different engines seem to
have different offsets from this point. The Jabiru is 23mm above, the 0-235
is 15 below, the O200 is 10 above. Though the plans also show the actual
measurement from the firewall referenced back to the upper engine mount bolt
locations which is 15mm above the longeron elevation.
It might be easiest to check the other engine mount drawings for reference,
6-JE-1 or similar, rather than trying to visualize my verbal attempt above.
In plan view the prop flange is centered on the aircrafts centerline and the
offset is built in from there depending on rotation direction of the prop.
On a Corvair engine that is spinning normally counter clockwise from the
pilots perspective, the rear of the engine would be canted to your right.
In a question I had for WW a while back, asking the same thing, he said he
only had a degree or so of angle here and never had any troubles with it.
If any of this post does not ring true than I hope someone with the correct
answers chimes in since this is the direction I will be going in when its
time to build the mount.
I also will be holding off until after my airframe is complete so that my
weight and balance calcs can verify the size of my mount.
Happy Flying to all,
Matt Stecher
Corvair / 601XL Tail
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jason Bogli
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:39 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
Wondering whether anyone had the dimensions for a 601xl corvair motor mount.
Thanks in advance
Jason.
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| Subject: | Re: LRI versus Stall warning |
I have an AOA LRI on my XL. I was making rocket landings because rudder control
felt so good and because I could. The LRI allowed me to slow down and feel assured
she would keep flying even low and slow. My landings have become somewhat
dull benign affairs now and my passengers seldom cry out and beg for Help! as
noticeably as they once did. So all in all, the LRI can be a useful tool. Best
regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: rlee468@comcast.net
Sent: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: LRI versus Stall warning
I fly a 701, 100 Hp. I have a steam gage (machanical) LRI. I have flown with it
since the first hour of flight, so I feel I can speak with some authority about
the usefullness of it. As others have said it does not just tell when a stall is
near, but one can see all the way down the scale as lift reserve is diminishing
right down to the actual stall. As we all know the stall does not always occur
at the same airspeed, it depends on the load, outside temperature etc. If one
wants to maintain a certaain degree of lift reserve on landing it can only be
done with a LRI . This can't be done with an ASI as the stall speed changes
depending on all of the above.
Has my LRI been usefull, yes. One time my pitot was pluged by an insect that had
laid eggs of some sort way up in the pitot tube. I was about fifty feet in the
air and noticed very little air speed on the ASI .By looking at the LRI I was
assured that I had sufficent speed, lift to maintain a safe flight. When it came
time to land I could be assured I had enough lift to do it safley and without
excessive speed. All my landings are done by refering to the LRI. Would I be
without one in a STOL airplane, no. I am told that near every plane in Alaska
has a LRI.
--------
Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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brothapig(at)HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
> Ok guys and gals. This email serves two purposes. I need to know what others
do to keep motivated during a project. I've just gotten started in this whole
scratch building process due to the money part of it, after completing the
tail from a kit. Slow going compared to the kit! And I'm wondering if my parts
are going to be alright, and if I'm making them to the right tolerances, if
my bending radius is correct, if .5mm variance is ok, etc etc etc. (I don't
need answers to those questions, I'm just venting :) )
>
> So, onto the second part of this email. Part of my diminishing motivation is
the fact that I'm stuck with one part. I'm working on my spar, and I can't seem
to think of a way to secure the angle to the web while I'm drilling my rivet
holes. It's such a long piece, and I don't want to build in a warp. What
have others done during this phase?
>
> Whew. I feel a little better now. Sorry for the vent.
>
> (by the way, it's a 701)
Spar drilling. Lot's of clamps. Then clecos obviously.
Motivation, break it down into smaller projects. Right now you're not building
a plane, you're building an assembly of a plane, and to break it down further
you're building an assembly of an assembly. Enjoy watching each piece come together
correctly. Later you'll put it all together into a plane. Don't put a tme
limit on yourself. Just look at the time in the garage as YOUR time. That's
it.
--------
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98361#98361
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| Subject: | Re: Solid riveting spar - setting solid AN6 rivets |
rickpitcher wrote:
> ---
The bucking bar I have is pretty substantial, as is the table, even if it is wood,
but the table may be contributing to not getting a full set on the rivet.
I'll try it with the bar on the concrete floor.[/quote]
I've been told that my posts appear blank in the web-based matronics list, so I'll
repeat myself here on the web-based list... :
Try it with the rivet gun in one hand and the bucking bar in the other, or
get someone else to hold the bucking bar. That's the way I was taught many
years ago, it's still the prefered method. Springs and tables are just gonna
add complexity to a simple operation.
Rick Pitcher
millions of rivets shot, only a couple hundred drilled out ;)
Lockheed, Northrop, Grumman... retired and STILL shooting rivets[/quote]
Thanks, but I actually like the way the springs hold the assembly. I had to work
real hard if I wanted to mess up a rivet that way. Plus, I can't see how holding
the bucking bar is going to give you the best set. Obviously if you're riveting
a wing skin in the middle and the other skin is already on, you have no
choice but to hold the bucking bar. This is a different situation. Thanks though.
--------
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: aileron trim system |
craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
> Isn't the position of the large control surfaces actually unchanged by the
> trim (dictated by the control cables or tubes). I thought the trim tabs just
> deflect small amounts of air on their own.
>
> -- Craig
The trim tab deflects air, causing a counter force at the hinge point of the trim
tab in the opposite direction of the trim tab which pushes the control surface,
which acts on the air and causes the plane to trim differently.
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| Subject: | Re: aileron trim system |
amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote:
> nope, i thought the same thing till I want a flyin in a 601. PLane was at
2000 ft agl. with two dudes in it, it was turing slightly to the left so I hit
the right trim button. Looking left expecting to see the trim tab pointing
down I was surprised to see it up! SO looking at it I I pressed the left button,
pushing the trim down and wow, the plane turned left!. same ion the tail.
The difference between 601 and the GA piper we are used to is the trim when
deflected pushes the entire surface of the control that it is attached to in
the opposite direction. SO when you want to trim to go right the trim come up,
pushing the aileron down, raising the wing. Trim pushes down, then you get up
deflection turning the plane. On a Cub, the crank for trim lowers the leading
edge of the deflecting air up, thus up trim. The trims on the 601 and 701
Move the control surface.
>
> After that, went home and swapped the neccessary wires to correct mine.
>
> Juan
>
> --
>From what I remember of the Cessna 152, they moved the control surface too. The
152 only had an elevator trim. You saying there's some planes that have a trim
connected to the wing and not the control surface?
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| Subject: | Re: What does it mean? |
Does this mean you can't register as LSA after a certain date too? What the hell
was the point of LSA in the first place then?
As far as the other points, if registered before 2008, no fuel surcharge and no
landing surcharge? After that you have to pay for all this crap? I can't imagine
them at EAA or AOPA letting this type of she-it actually pass. Insane.
Do you think small airports with class D or E airspace would actually put charge.
Unlikely, or they'd out of business in no time. I hate government. Seriously.
Anyone that that doesn't think we live in Communist Light is off their rocker.
I'd love to see the whole thing collapse and all of these politicians out
on their asses.
Got gold?
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Nose Rib 4 |
What a timely post! I think you are about 2 days ahead of me.
I bet I would have riveted that rib too...
FWIW, your post may have helped me avoid some pain.
Thanks,
- Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Nose Rib 4 |
FWIW, I assumed that suggestion in the manual was for the "old" wing design
that had four ribs inboard of the tank. I had such a kit, and I didn't
rivet #4 until everything was in - but, again, that was the first rib
INBOARD of the tank. I did rivet the first one outboard and I never had any
trouble.
Dunno, am I wrong and builders should wait to rivet the first outboard rib
from the tank?
Michael in NH
Fuselage, ho.
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On 3/2/07, PatrickW <pwhoyt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> What a timely post! I think you are about 2 days ahead of me.
>
> I bet I would have riveted that rib too...
>
> FWIW, your post may have helped me avoid some pain.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Patrick
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98372#98372
>
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| Subject: | Re: aileron trim system |
I know that on Mooneys, the pitch trim tilts the the whole tail
assembly. Some trim systems use springs that directly pull the
control surface up or down. I don't know of any that change the pitch
of the whole wing.
On Mar 2, 2007, at 5:03 PM, ashontz wrote:
>
>
> amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote:
>> nope, i thought the same thing till I want a flyin in a 601.
>> PLane was at 2000 ft agl. with two dudes in it, it was turing
>> slightly to the left so I hit the right trim button. Looking left
>> expecting to see the trim tab pointing down I was surprised to see
>> it up! SO looking at it I I pressed the left button, pushing the
>> trim down and wow, the plane turned left!. same ion the tail.
>> The difference between 601 and the GA piper we are used to is the
>> trim when deflected pushes the entire surface of the control that
>> it is attached to in the opposite direction. SO when you want to
>> trim to go right the trim come up, pushing the aileron down,
>> raising the wing. Trim pushes down, then you get up deflection
>> turning the plane. On a Cub, the crank for trim lowers the
>> leading edge of the deflecting air up, thus up trim. The trims
>> on the 601 and 701 Move the control surface.
>>
>> After that, went home and swapped the neccessary wires to correct
>> mine.
>>
>> Juan
>>
>> --
>
>
>> From what I remember of the Cessna 152, they moved the control
>> surface too. The 152 only had an elevator trim. You saying there's
>> some planes that have a trim connected to the wing and not the
>> control surface?
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: dual throttles |
Yes, that could be my plane. I used the standard zenith throttle control h
orn and two push rods through the firewall to control a single cable to the
carb. I don't have any throttle locks because there is plenty of friction
in the system to keep the throttle from creeping. It works well. I would
n't change it.Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 05:54:22 -0800> From: richvetterli@yahoo.com> Subje
ct: Zenith-List: Re: dual throttles
>
> > Check out Williams Wynne's sight (www.flycorvair.com).> He has a pictur
e (I think it is on Phil Maxon's 601)> showing dual control rods running fr
om the IP to a> control bar on the firewall which controls one> throttle ca
ble.> Rich Vetterli
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| Subject: | Re: dual throttles |
Hey Phil;
Do you happen to have the exact page reference for that photo? I wandered back
and forth through WWs site and was unable to stumble over it.
Thanks!
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Phil Maxson <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com> wrote:
P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma
} Yes, that could be my plane. I used the standard zenith throttle
control horn and two push rods through the firewall to control a single cable
to the carb. I don't have any throttle locks because there is plenty of friction
in the system to keep the throttle from creeping. It works well. I wouldn't
change it.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
---------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 05:54:22 -0800
> From: richvetterli@yahoo.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: dual throttles
>
>
> Check out Williams Wynne's sight (www.flycorvair.com).
> He has a picture (I think it is on Phil Maxon's 601)
> showing dual control rods running from the IP to a
> control bar on the firewall which controls one
> throttle cable.
> Rich Vetterli
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair 3100 for sale |
I might be interested in knowing more. Your email address would help.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair 3100 for sale |
lamont.s@greenempire.net
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Nose Rib 4 |
Hey Dave,
Be careful with that lifting device. I had the wing elevated and opened the garage
door. Good thing I had the pressure set low on the door because it began
lifting the wing higher and I was no where near the control for the door opener.
I think I messed myself, but nothing was harmed. [Laughing]
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| Subject: | Re: dual throttles |
Google image search to the rescue ("phil site:www.flycorvair.com"):
www.flycorvair.com/26890.jpg
Linked from about halfway down this page:
www.flycorvair.com/hangar0206.html
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| Subject: | Re: dual throttles |
Heres one:
Search the page for "Phil's plane"
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| Subject: | Re: aileron trim system |
bryanmmartin wrote:
> I know that on Mooneys, the pitch trim tilts the the whole tail
> assembly. Some trim systems use springs that directly pull the
> control surface up or down. I don't know of any that change the pitch
> of the whole wing.
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2007, at 5:03 PM, ashontz wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote:
> > > nope, i thought the same thing till I want a flyin in a 601.
> > > PLane was at 2000 ft agl. with two dudes in it, it was turing
> > > slightly to the left so I hit the right trim button. Looking left
> > > expecting to see the trim tab pointing down I was surprised to see
> > > it up! SO looking at it I I pressed the left button, pushing the
> > > trim down and wow, the plane turned left!. same ion the tail.
> > > The difference between 601 and the GA piper we are used to is the
> > > trim when deflected pushes the entire surface of the control that
> > > it is attached to in the opposite direction. SO when you want to
> > > trim to go right the trim come up, pushing the aileron down,
> > > raising the wing. Trim pushes down, then you get up deflection
> > > turning the plane. On a Cub, the crank for trim lowers the
> > > leading edge of the deflecting air up, thus up trim. The trims
> > > on the 601 and 701 Move the control surface.
> > >
> > > After that, went home and swapped the neccessary wires to correct
> > > mine.
> > >
> > > Juan
> > >
> > > --
> >
> >
> > > From what I remember of the Cessna 152, they moved the control
> > > surface too. The 152 only had an elevator trim. You saying there's
> > > some planes that have a trim connected to the wing and not the
> > > control surface?
> >
> > --------
> > CH601XL - Corvair
> > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
No, not the pitch of the whole wing. I just thought you were refering to a trim
tab that was just like a regular small aileron on the wing. That's the way it
sounded the way you described it. Never heard of heard of anything like that.
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hi list
i looked up doug naylor's suggestion and ordered a
guage at 12.00 plus shipping. a total of about 22.00.
a really good deal.
i also have the probe from from scott laughlin and its
a fine piece of work. for about 85.00 you can have a
first rate aoa system totally self sufficient from
electric power. again, please look into this system
as it will make your flying easier and may save your
life
thanks for the tip doug
john butterfield
601XL, corvair
torrance, ca
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