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1. 12:45 AM - Re: what does it mean (lufthund)
2. 01:37 AM - Y-stick solution ! (secatur)
3. 05:13 AM - Cockpit side panels (Beckman, Rick)
4. 05:47 AM - Re: What does it mean? ()
5. 06:02 AM - side panels with ARM RESTS? (Robin Bellach)
6. 06:06 AM - Re: Prop Pitch (Southern Reflections)
7. 06:06 AM - 601XL wing dihedral and notch cut in center spar (Scott Laughlin)
8. 06:11 AM - Re: landing light (Charles Wacker)
9. 06:14 AM - What does it mean? (Robin Bellach)
10. 06:33 AM - Re: landing light (japhillipsga@aol.com)
11. 06:36 AM - Re: 601XL wing dihedral and notch cut in center spar (ashontz)
12. 06:53 AM - Re: Fuel Taxes (ashontz)
13. 07:36 AM - Re: Cockpit side panels/ flame (Big Gee)
14. 08:01 AM - Re: side panels with ARM RESTS? ()
15. 08:27 AM - Re: Cockpit side panels/ flame (txpilot)
16. 10:06 AM - Re: 601XL wing dihedral and notch cut in center spar (Ron Lendon)
17. 12:16 PM - Re: side panels with ARM RESTS? (Phil Maxson)
18. 01:19 PM - Re: side panels with ARM RESTS? (ZodieRocket)
19. 02:18 PM - Re: Y-stick solution ! (TxDave)
20. 03:03 PM - Re: Cockpit side panels? (PatrickW)
21. 03:13 PM - New "European XL" from Zenith? (PatrickW)
22. 03:24 PM - Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? (LHusky@aol.com)
23. 03:48 PM - Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? (Tim Juhl)
24. 03:53 PM - Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? (Craig Payne)
25. 04:09 PM - Re: Y-stick solution ! (Southern Reflections)
26. 04:14 PM - Re: landing light (Bill Naumuk)
27. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? (Kurt A. Schumacher)
28. 06:14 PM - Re: Re: What does it mean? ()
29. 06:37 PM - Step L angles (Bill Naumuk)
30. 06:50 PM - Standard L-angles (Edward Moody II)
31. 06:59 PM - Re: Standard L-angles (Gary Boothe)
32. 07:01 PM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Big Gee)
33. 07:23 PM - Re: landing light (Ron Lendon)
34. 07:37 PM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Southern Reflections)
35. 07:42 PM - Czech built 701s (Julian Hankinson)
36. 09:00 PM - Re: 7V6-2SP Alignment (JohnDRead@aol.com)
37. 09:58 PM - Re: Standard L-angles (Paul Mulwitz)
38. 10:09 PM - test Do not archive (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | Re: what does it mean |
Perhaps this thread should be called Bullship?
Do not archive!
Bob Wetzel 601 HD
Bath,Pa
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| Subject: | Y-stick solution ! |
Cut the Y off !
Put your Stick handle(like my nice Ray's with 1000 functions!) on the stub !
More like a standard control stick ! And less in the way!
If you wanna fly right handed you're jake!
If you wanna fly left handed, fly (shock horror ! ) from the right seat !
LOL !
Steve
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| Subject: | Cockpit side panels |
Would like to hear some ideas on good/interesting materials to use for
the side panels in the cockpit
Andy, I plan on using the stuff that you see in
people's yards that are trying to sell a new weight loss plan, or vote
for so and so.... The stuff is plastic and is made like corrugated
cardboard...corplast. You can get it at sign companies for around $12.00
for a 4'X 8' sheet. Cut it with a box knife or scissors. I, also, plan
on covering it with 1/8" foam to hide the "ribs" of the corplast and
cover that with fabric. Make some aluminum angle tabs and rivet them
where needed on the side supports and screw the panels to the tabs.
Should make for a nice installation and be good looking!
Happy building!
God Bless!
Rick Beckman
Midwest Mudworks
Zodie Rocket XL 52EB (r)
www.sharbo.us/thebird
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| Subject: | Re: What does it mean? |
Boat vs. Ship ?? It means you are wasting everyones time!!!! Please, let's see
some good building info instead of each person trying to out-cute the other.
Rich H
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| Subject: | side panels with ARM RESTS? |
Seems like sitting in a 601 is like sitting in an armchair with one arm
missing. I'm wondering if anyone has designed flip-up armrests, or might
know of a KISS/Lightweight hinge suitable for such application, with a
"lock in the up position" feature?
Robin in AR
601XL Zen-Vair, 601ZV reserved
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Call lonnie Prince, tell him what your HP. is ,ENG . RPM is , and what
type plane you have. he will tell you what you need. Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: LRM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 11:09 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Prop Pitch
Has anyone got a Prince P-tip 2 blade on a 701 with about 100 hp
engine? If so, what length and pitch do you recommend? Thanks
Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L
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| Subject: | 601XL wing dihedral and notch cut in center spar |
Andy:
I was trying to figure out what problem you were having when I came across
my original VISIO drawing that I used to drill my spar holes. I changed the
"order" on the bottom drawing to show the center spar cap on top.
I posted it here:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Spar_Attach.jpg
It sounds like you have solved your problem. In any case, your question
helped me with a problem I was having.
I didn't have much time when I attached my right wing for a test fit and
never could get the bolts to line up. Since then I've wondered why it
didn't fit right away. After looking for a solution to your problem I
solved mine. The cutout in my fuselage only comes to the top of the center
spar.
Looking at the VISIO drawing it is clear that the cutout must be at least
7mm above the center spar for the wing to fit. DOH! I'm going to go home
this evening and make the cutout right away.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention if only by accident!
Scott Laughlin
Omaha, Nebraska
CH601XL/Corvair
Waiting for the big Meltdown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dyreKXznW4
Time: 06:32:06 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL wing dihedral and notch cut in center spar
From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
I'm setting my wing dihedral right now. Did anyone run into a problem where
the
center bolt of the wing spar doesn't actually fall on the center line of the
center spar per the measurements? I'm thinking the notch in the center spar
should
actually be cut back far enough to expose the channel the wing spar floats
in rather than only be cut back to the first center spar cap. First off,
that
tab that's left after the cut is doing nothing, secondly, without that flap
it's possible to slide the wing spar up a few mm to intersect the centerline
exactly,
and third, in other areas of the plans it actually shows that tab cut
all they way back, exposing the channel and allowing more up and down for
the
wing spar in the center channel.
Thanks
--------
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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You will need to cut the lens. Zenith doesn't tell you about that but it is
the only way to get it in.
Chuck Wacker
601XL Quick Build
>From: "Skip Perry" <sperry50@comcast.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: landing light
>Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:43:02 -0500
>
>I have made the cut out in the leading edge and also have the landing light
>assembly clecoed in place but I still can't get the lens into the cut out.
>I
>am afraid to force it for fear it will crack. I have checked and re-checked
>the cut out and it seems to be in the correct place and the measurements
>all
>seem correct. Does anyone have any tips for getting the lens to fit in the
>cut out hole? The assembly photos mention cutting a pie shaped piece but no
>measurements are given.
>
>Skip Perry
>601 quick build
>
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| Subject: | What does it mean? |
Yea, I'm beginning to feel like the Ancient Mariner.
And how about DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: <hart701@charter.net>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 7:47 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What does it mean?
>
> Boat vs. Ship ?? It means you are wasting everyones time!!!! Please,
> let's see some good building info instead of each person trying to
> out-cute the other.
> Rich H
>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: landing light |
Skip, that lens can be a real bear. I screwed mine up a bit, but learned from a
fellow at Sun n Fun last year a method to get it right. He said to make a wood
form the shape of the wing nose. Make a thin cardboard template that will fit
in the hole in the wing edge. Make the Lexan the size of the cardboard. Now
here's the tricky part. The fellow said that Lexan does not become soft and malleable
until it gets to something like 300 degrees ?? His method was to put the
form sanding nose up into the oven with the Lexan on top and heat it until
the plastic bends down to the shape of the nose skin form. Sounded like a neat
way to size and bend the material. I have not tried it myself, but it might
work. The fellow may be on this thread. Perhaps you could find him for more details.
Best regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: ccwacker@HOTMAIL.COM
Sent: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: landing light
You will need to cut the lens. Zenith doesn't tell you about that but it is the
only way to get it in.
Chuck Wacker
601XL Quick Build
>From: "Skip Perry" <sperry50@comcast.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: landing light
>Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:43:02 -0500
>
>I have made the cut out in the leading edge and also have the landing light
>assembly clecoed in place but I still can't get the lens into the cut out. >I
>am afraid to force it for fear it will crack. I have checked and re-checked
>the cut out and it seems to be in the correct place and the measurements >all
>seem correct. Does anyone have any tips for getting the lens to fit in the
>cut out hole? The assembly photos mention cutting a pie shaped piece but no
>measurements are given.
>
>Skip Perry
>601 quick build
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL wing dihedral and notch cut in center spar |
No problem. This probably the most significant problem with the plans I've seen
to date. Pretty serious if you ask me. They're some of the most important bolts
in the whole plane. I wanted to make sure I had them layed out exactly as specified.
I couldn't find a reference in the FAA A&P manual about minimum edge
distance for bolts. It did have it for rivets, but not bolts. Considering the
cap is 38mm wide and half of that is 19mm, the bolt is about 3.75mm radius, and
then the end holes are offset 3mm, when things are right, that leaves about
12mm, a little less than 2 bolt diameters to the edge. When I first lined everything
up it was off by 5mm, so that would have skewed it even more, down to
roughly 7mm, that's a little less than a bolt diameter. I wasn't comfortable with
that.
Me and a friend stood there for about 3 hours thinking and remeasuring everything
and I figured the center spar flange would have to be cut all the way back
exposing the channel 45mm to get it to line up perfectly. Next morning I started
checking everyone's sites for pix and saw Dave Clay's had the cutout. He probably
has newer plans that account for that.
Once I cut it back all the way it fit fine.
cookwithgas(at)HOTMAIL.CO wrote:
> Andy:
>
> I was trying to figure out what problem you were having when I came across
> my original VISIO drawing that I used to drill my spar holes. I changed the
> "order" on the bottom drawing to show the center spar cap on top.
> I posted it here:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Spar_Attach.jpg
>
> It sounds like you have solved your problem. In any case, your question
> helped me with a problem I was having.
>
> I didn't have much time when I attached my right wing for a test fit and
> never could get the bolts to line up. Since then I've wondered why it
> didn't fit right away. After looking for a solution to your problem I
> solved mine. The cutout in my fuselage only comes to the top of the center
> spar.
>
> Looking at the VISIO drawing it is clear that the cutout must be at least
> 7mm above the center spar for the wing to fit. DOH! I'm going to go home
> this evening and make the cutout right away.
>
> Thanks for bringing this to my attention if only by accident!
>
> Scott Laughlin
> Omaha, Nebraska
> CH601XL/Corvair
> Waiting for the big Meltdown
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dyreKXznW4
>
>
>
>
>
> Time: 06:32:06 AM PST US
> Subject: 601XL wing dihedral and notch cut in center spar
> From: "ashontz"
>
>
> I'm setting my wing dihedral right now. Did anyone run into a problem where
> the
> center bolt of the wing spar doesn't actually fall on the center line of the
> center spar per the measurements? I'm thinking the notch in the center spar
> should
> actually be cut back far enough to expose the channel the wing spar floats
> in rather than only be cut back to the first center spar cap. First off,
> that
> tab that's left after the cut is doing nothing, secondly, without that flap
> it's possible to slide the wing spar up a few mm to intersect the centerline
> exactly,
> and third, in other areas of the plans it actually shows that tab cut
> all they way back, exposing the channel and allowing more up and down for
> the
> wing spar in the center channel.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
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[quote="p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att"]Wow, this is getting way off topic - but I can't
resist a few comments on the politics and economics of FAA funding.
First, I disagree that the FAA will change their position if they learn we are
putting mogas into our little putt-putt airplanes. We just don't use that much
gas. I think the target of the gas tax increase is the jet operators - both
current biz-jets and the expected hoard of new very light jets. Those aircraft
burn so much more fuel than our little recreational aircraft that they are
the ones facing real money cost with the gas (and Jet fuel) tax increase.
Second, I think the real motive behind the FAA proposal is to divorce the FAA
managers from congressional oversight. They don't like the idea that mere congressmen
and senators can tell the ALMIGHTY FAA what they can and can't do. They
hope by generating their own income in a business-like fashion with the higher
fuel taxes and service fees they can become independent of all interference
in their UNLIMITED POWER. That is always what politics is about - exercise
of power.
While we feel threatened by the FAA move, I am confident the business aviation
folks and members of congress will feel even more threatened. I don't expect
this whole proposal to be adopted by congress. Still, I encourage everyone to
write and call their representatives to express their horror over this rogue
agency trying to take over the world and eliminate our freedom to fly. I actually
wrote my representatives before the push by AOPA and EAA.
I'm afraid the only hope we all (all citizens) have for free and open use of America's
skies is a brutal house cleaning of the FAA management. If I were Emperor
of the Earth I would fire them all and start over from scratch. They never
recovered any humility after Ronald Reagan fired the ATC controllers some
20 years ago.
(End of Rant and Rage)
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive or tell the Gestapo about my opinions.
At 02:21 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
> Once the FAA realizes that some people are using mo gas and flying without paying
aviation fuel taxes they will be back before congress wanted to get the funds
some other way. At the current time I can buy gas for my tractor without
paying tax on it, but if I put it in my car I am required to report how much I
used and send in the bucks. I have also been hearing rumors for the last several
years that 100LL is on its way out. Should it be discontinued even the FAA
will realize we're burning something else and what ever it is needs to be taxed.
I think that if the FAA gets their fuel tax, we mo gas burners are only safe
for a short time.
> I am a member of both the EAA and AOPA and like others I will write letters
and make phone calls as these two groups suggest. I don't have a problem with
paying my fair share, I just don't like the ATA deciding what my fair share is.
>
> CJ
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
-
> [b]
THe airlines are the ones using the ATC system the most too. How many people here
really plan to file IFR flight plans on a regular basis and fly from JFK in
New York to Dulles. Probably not too many.
Besides, how the hell would they ever know where you got the mogas from. Be nice
of the EAA helped setup mogas stations at small airports.
I remember back in about 1994 regular unleaded was about $1.10, but 100LL was over
$2/gallon. And at the time I heard that the nearly 100% difference in price
was really due to taxes that went to run ATC facilities. So now that regular
unleaded is $2.30, by those numbers 100L should be about $5.00/gal. I have no
idea what it is now though.
--------
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit side panels/ flame |
Shouldn't some thought be given to wheather or not the material will suppo
rt a flame ?=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "Beckman, Rick" <R
ick.Beckman@atk.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March
5, 2007 8:08:40 AM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Cockpit side panels=0A=0A=0A =0A
Would like to hear some ideas on good/interesting materials to use for the
side panels in the cockpit=0A =0A Andy, I plan on usin
g the stuff that you see in people=92s yards that are trying to sell a new
weight loss plan, or vote for so and so=85. The stuff is plastic and is ma
de like corrugated cardboard=85corplast. You can get it at sign companies f
or around $12.00 for a 4=92X 8=92 sheet. Cut it with a box knife or scissor
s. I, also, plan on covering it with 1/8=94 foam to hide the =93ribs=94 of
the corplast and cover that with fabric. Make some aluminum angle tabs and
rivet them where needed on the side supports and screw the panels to the ta
bs. Should make for a nice installation and be good looking!=0A
Happy building!=0A
God Bless!=0A
Rick Beckman=0A
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| Subject: | Re: side panels with ARM RESTS? |
If you go with dual sticks, the outboard arm does not need a rest. It rests on
your outboard thigh while operating the control stick. The inboard arm rests on
the center console as needed.
There isn't a lot of extra room width-wise in the 601XL cockpit but that being
said, I'm sure you could rig something salvaged from the front seats of a wrecked
SUV if you feel motivated to do that. It would probably be more necessary
with the single center stick.
Dred
---- Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:
> Seems like sitting in a 601 is like sitting in an armchair with one arm missing.
I'm wondering if anyone has designed flip-up armrests, or might know of a
KISS/Lightweight hinge suitable for such application, with a "lock in the up position"
feature?
>
> Robin in AR
> 601XL Zen-Vair, 601ZV reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit side panels/ flame |
Aircraft Spruce sells a fire retardent penetrant that can be applied to most interior
materials. I have not used it personally, but my EAA technical counselor
swears by it.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL wing dihedral and notch cut in center spar |
Yeah I remember that now. Reading through my notes it is on position now or at
worst 2.5mm off on centers.
I had the EAA tech guy over yesterday and showed him all the problems on the first
wing. His reply was they were not problems. Only squawk was the spar bolt
did not have enough threads showing. His write up was a real motivator. I
will post it on my kit log later tonight.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | side panels with ARM RESTS? |
In the 80 or so hours I've spent in my plane I've never noticed this phenom
enon. 16 of those hours were in two 8-hour days. I suspect this is someth
ing you notice on the ground, but not while flying. There's plenty to do w
ith those arms when you're flying.Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
From: 601zv@ritternet.comSubject: Zenith-List: side panels with ARM RESTS?D
ate: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:00:45 -0600
Seems like sitting in a 601 is like sitting in an armchair with one arm mis
sing. I'm wondering if anyone has designed flip-up armrests, or might know
of a KISS/Lightweight hinge suitable for such application, with a "lock in
the up position" feature?
Robin in AR
601XL Zen-Vair, 601ZV reserved
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| Subject: | side panels with ARM RESTS? |
Robin, before you go ahead and make your armrests, sit in your
UPHOLSTERED seat and read a very large book( I read Da-Vinci Code). You
will find two answers, your seats are, or are not comfortable and
secondly you will never use armrests, thirdly you have no way of peeing
into a cup or bottle :-). I understand your thought process, but it is
spawned from not having spent time in the seat.
Sorry Guys , I had to add the pee thinnggy again!!!
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
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Subject: Zenith-List: side panels with ARM RESTS?
Seems like sitting in a 601 is like sitting in an armchair with one arm
missing. I'm wondering if anyone has designed flip-up armrests, or might
know of a KISS/Lightweight hinge suitable for such application, with a
"lock in the up position" feature?
Robin in AR
601XL Zen-Vair, 601ZV reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! |
Hmmmm. Interesting idea, Steve.
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Dave Clay
Temple, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit side panels? |
I'm considering just spraying Zinc Chromate everywhere, and then doing a thin wood
veneer on the panel.
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | New "European XL" from Zenith? |
Anybody know anything about this?
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo104.html
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/607/xl-eu3.jpg
>From the Zenith website: "March 1, 2007. The new European ZODIAC XL, now manufactured
and supported by Zenair, introduces some new (and lighter) features
for the European market."
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? |
Anyone know what the "Lighter" parts are? Are the flaps fiberglass?
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| Subject: | Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? |
Flaps fiberglass? Maybe. Look at the main gear. I suspect they shaved a
few pounds there.
Tim
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Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
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| Subject: | New "European XL" from Zenith? |
The curved landing gear could be composite:
www.zenithair.com/zodiac/607/xl-eu7.jpg.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! |
Steve I've thinking about doing that for over 2 years ... I've got my hack
saw out.....
---How about putting a twist throttle on the stick--,jost like on a bike.
It works ver well belive it or not..Joe N101HD Original Message -----
From: "secatur" <appraise1@bigpond.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:37 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Y-stick solution !
>
> Cut the Y off !
>
> Put your Stick handle(like my nice Ray's with 1000 functions!) on the stub
> !
> More like a standard control stick ! And less in the way!
>
> If you wanna fly right handed you're jake!
>
> If you wanna fly left handed, fly (shock horror ! ) from the right seat !
>
> LOL !
> Steve
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: landing light |
Skip-
Jeff Small passed the procedure on to me. I don't know if he
originated it, but I've seen his plane and can tell you that it works
for an HDS, with it's thick wing. Probably work for an XL, too, with a
little extra juggling and swearing.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: japhillipsga@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: landing light
Skip, that lens can be a real bear. I screwed mine up a bit, but
learned from a fellow at Sun n Fun last year a method to get it right.
He said to make a wood form the shape of the wing nose. Make a thin
cardboard template that will fit in the hole in the wing edge. Make the
Lexan the size of the cardboard. Now here's the tricky part. The fellow
said that Lexan does not become soft and malleable until it gets to
something like 300 degrees ?? His method was to put the form sanding
nose up into the oven with the Lexan on top and heat it until the
plastic bends down to the shape of the nose skin form. Sounded like a
neat way to size and bend the material. I have not tried it myself, but
it might work. The fellow may be on this thread. Perhaps you could find
him for more details. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: ccwacker@HOTMAIL.COM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: landing light
<ccwacker@hotmail.com>
You will need to cut the lens. Zenith doesn't tell you about that but
it is the only way to get it in.
Chuck Wacker
601XL Quick Build
>From: "Skip Perry" <sperry50@comcast.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: landing light
>Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:43:02 -0500
>
>I have made the cut out in the leading edge and also have the landing
light
>assembly clecoed in place but I still can't get the lens into the cut
out. >I
>am afraid to force it for fear it will crack. I have checked and
re-checked
>the cut out and it seems to be in the correct place and the
measurements >all
>seem correct. Does anyone have any tips for getting the lens to fit
in the
>cut out hole? The assembly photos mention cutting a pie shaped piece
but no
>measurements are given.
>
>Skip Perry
>601 quick build
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| Subject: | Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? |
In general, the limitation for European Ultralight is 450 kg plus a 22.5 kg
allowance for the rescue system if installed. On pilot with fuel - or two
crewmembers and virtually no fuel....
Stay happy with the LSA regulations over there in the US. One day we might
see a EASA Recreational Aircraft class - in some hundred years when the
Brits, the French, the Portuguese, the Spanish and the German can agree.
Amazed they manage Airbus - aside some lay-offs these days.
Suspect lightweight fiberglass or carbon cowling (was an option from CZAW)
Landing gear bows like the CZAW introduced glass gear legs (engineered to
550 kg MTOM AFAIK)
By the way, there are some pics more to see in the Zenith web - check
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/607/xl-eu2.jpg to xl-eu7.jpg
Have Fun!
-Kurt.
SportAviation of Switzerland
http://www.sportaviation.ch/
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 12:48 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New "European XL" from Zenith?
Flaps fiberglass? Maybe. Look at the main gear. I suspect they shaved
a few pounds there.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: What does it mean? |
"Dad, they are called boats not ships".
NO SHIP?
Sorry, I couldn't resist
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All-
Have conflicting information. On the old hand-drawn plans for
HD/HDSs, there are two L angles riveted to the bottom rear fuse skin
that are in turn bolted to the center of the tube that goes spanwise
between the steps. No additional internal bracing, just L angles riveted
with A5s to the .016 bottom skin. Doesn't seen very sturdy.
On the HD/HDS Cad drawings, there's no mention of the L angles at
all!
Input greatly appreciated.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Standard L-angles |
Has anyone on the list had to order some additional lightweight L-angles
like the ones that are supplied with the kit? I just ordered some and
the price came out to about $7 for a 4 foot piece of 20mm by 20mm angle
.020" thick (6061-T6 bare) plus shipping. Can that be right? The cost of
the aluminum is about $1.67each. Can there really be $5.33 of labor and
profit in such a generic piece of stock that is kept on hand to be
included in every Zenith kit? Had I suspected that the price was so
high, I would have simply manufactured them myself at home. I expected
maybe $3 per piece and felt that it would be worth having them bent to
exactly the same radius as the pieces that came with the kit. I guess
the stupid tax strikes again!
Dred
601XL/Jabiru/ middle top skin
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| Subject: | Standard L-angles |
I built Dave's Cheap Sheet Metal Bending Brake. I'll never have to buy
another L-angle again. Sorry, that really doesn't answer your question.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Edward Moody II
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:51 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Standard L-angles
Has anyone on the list had to order some additional lightweight L-angles
like the ones that are supplied with the kit? I just ordered some and the
price came out to about $7 for a 4 foot piece of 20mm by 20mm angle .020"
thick (6061-T6 bare) plus shipping. Can that be right? The cost of the
aluminum is about $1.67each. Can there really be $5.33 of labor and profit
in such a generic piece of stock that is kept on hand to be included in
every Zenith kit? Had I suspected that the price was so high, I would have
simply manufactured them myself at home. I expected maybe $3 per piece and
felt that it would be worth having them bent to exactly the same radius as
the pieces that came with the kit. I guess the stupid tax strikes again!
Dred
601XL/Jabiru/ middle top skin
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
I'd hold off with the hack saw until after you see how comfortable the "Y"
stick is.=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Southern Reflections
<purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday
, March 5, 2007 7:07:53 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Y-stick solution !
oon99@bellsouth.net>=0A=0ASteve I've thinking about doing that for over 2 y
ears ... I've got my hack =0Asaw out.....=0A---How about putting a twist
throttle on the stick--,jost like on a bike. =0AIt works ver well belive i
t or not..Joe N101HD Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "secatur" <appraise1@b
igpond.com>=0ATo: <zenith-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Monday, March 05, 200
7 4:37 AM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Y-stick solution !=0A=0A=0A> --> Zenith-L
ist message posted by: "secatur" <appraise1@bigpond.com>=0A>=0A> Cut the Y
off !=0A>=0A> Put your Stick handle(like my nice Ray's with 1000 functions!
) on the stub =0A> !=0A> More like a standard control stick ! And less in t
he way!=0A>=0A> If you wanna fly right handed you're jake!=0A>=0A> If you w
anna fly left handed, fly (shock horror ! ) from the right seat !=0A>=0A> L
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| Subject: | Re: landing light |
I wouldn't recommend heating plastic in a oven you plan on using to prepare food
in. Just not a good idea.
Fitting is just part of the process of making it right.
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
Is it un- comfortable?Tell me about it JoeN101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: Big Gee
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
I'd hold off with the hack saw until after you see how comfortable the
"Y" stick is.
----- Original Message ----
From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 7:07:53 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Y-stick solution !
<purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
Steve I've thinking about doing that for over 2 years ... I've got my
hack
saw out.....
---How about putting a twist throttle on the stick--,jost like on a
bike.
It works ver well belive it or not..Joe N101HD Original Message -----
From: "secatur" <appraise1@bigpond.com>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:37 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Y-stick solution !
>
> Cut the Y off !
>
> Put your Stick handle(like my nice Ray's with 1000 functions!) on
the stub
> !
> More like a standard control stick ! And less in the way!
>
> If you wanna fly right handed you're jake!
>
> If you wanna fly left handed, fly (shock horror ! ) from the right
seat !
>
> LOL !
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98794#98794
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| Subject: | Czech built 701s |
Hello All-
I have a friend who has been watching my slow 701 assembly progress
and decided he is going to buy a used one instead of building. What
is the quality of the Czech built 701s?- I have never seen one up close.
Julian H
701 tail complete
hoping to finish the rest before petroleum gives out.
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| Subject: | Re: 7V6-2SP Alignment |
Hi Mark:
I had a similar problem regarding the height of 7V6-2SP when I
built my first wing. The positioning template needs to be made very accurately
to locate the rear channel. When I was making mine I first made the 715mm
dimension from the spar face to the small end, this could cause the problem you
are having. The 715 dimn. is not important to the location of the rear spar.
I eventually noticed that the dimension should be 696mm. BTW when a
dimension is placed in a box it means (Basic) and that extreme accuracy should
be
used to comply with such dimensions. The 696, 67 and 209 mm dimensions are
critical to the location of the rear spar. I also noticed that there was no
dimension for the width of the small end of the fixture it should be 45 mm Basic
for a snug fit into 7V6-2SP. Fortunately making the fixture long allowed me to
correct the initial error. Take a look at the photo guide for the wings
Section 2A page 8 of 12, you will notice that the rear channel protrudes above
the
rib. You can see it in all of the pictures on that page. When the top skin
is assembled it pushes the top flange down. My skins were pre-punched and
fitted fine. Hope this helps.
John Read
CH701 in Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Standard L-angles |
Hi Ed,
It sounds like you are ahead of me again. I am working on the rear top skin.
I am a little confused about the angle you mentioned. Is the one you
got extruded or bent? The extruded ones they include in the kit are
a special size that are not available normally in the USA. I think
Zenair has them extruded as a special order with a $1000 minimum or
some such thing. That is why they are more expensive than the kind
that are made in high volume for distribution to many outlets.
If it is a bent piece, then the labor is probably more than the cost
of the aluminum.
Best regards,
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 06:50 PM 3/5/2007, you wrote:
>Has anyone on the list had to order some additional lightweight
>L-angles like the ones that are supplied with the kit? I just
>ordered some and the price came out to about $7 for a 4 foot piece
>of 20mm by 20mm angle .020" thick (6061-T6 bare) plus shipping. Can
>that be right? The cost of the aluminum is about $1.67each. Can
>there really be $5.33 of labor and profit in such a generic piece of
>stock that is kept on hand to be included in every Zenith kit? Had I
>suspected that the price was so high, I would have simply
>manufactured them myself at home. I expected maybe $3 per piece and
>felt that it would be worth having them bent to exactly the same
>radius as the pieces that came with the kit. I guess the stupid tax
>strikes again!
>
>Dred
>601XL/Jabiru/ middle top skin
>
>Do Not Archive
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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