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1. 12:13 AM - Re: Y-stick solution ! (secatur)
2. 04:55 AM - Re: Re: landing light (Steve Hulland)
3. 04:57 AM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (ZodieRocket)
4. 06:07 AM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Big Gee)
5. 06:15 AM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (n801bh@netzero.com)
6. 07:24 AM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (DaveG601XL)
7. 07:53 AM - 701 Electric flap option (txpilot)
8. 08:41 AM - Re: 701 Electric flap option (Dirk Slabbert)
9. 08:57 AM - Maximum cross wind for 801 (Keystone Engineering LLC)
10. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (ZodieRocket)
11. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Bryan Martin)
12. 09:05 AM - Re: 701 Electric flap option (Mark Sherman)
13. 09:14 AM - Re: 701 Electric flap option (Mark Sherman)
14. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: landing light (Phil Maxson)
15. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (japhillipsga@aol.com)
16. 09:44 AM - Re: Standard L-angles ()
17. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Phil Maxson)
18. 10:48 AM - Transport Canada (ZodieRocket)
19. 10:48 AM - Re: Maximum cross wind for 801 (Tom Faulkner)
20. 12:06 PM - Re: Fuel Taxes (Paul Tipton)
21. 12:23 PM - Re: Standard L-angles (ashontz)
22. 12:24 PM - Re: Maximum cross wind for 801 (n801bh@netzero.com)
23. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: landing light (David Downey)
24. 12:36 PM - Re: Standard L-angles (Bill Naumuk)
25. 12:42 PM - Re: Standard L-angles (ashontz)
26. 12:52 PM - Steps, revisited (Bill Naumuk)
27. 01:17 PM - Re: Cockpit side panels (Mack Kreizenbeck)
28. 01:37 PM - Re: landing light (ashontz)
29. 01:44 PM - Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? (ashontz)
30. 01:59 PM - Re: Step L angles (Jeff)
31. 02:00 PM - Re: side panels with ARM RESTS? (ashontz)
32. 02:08 PM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (ashontz)
33. 02:16 PM - Re: Maximum cross wind for 801 (Dave Ruddiman)
34. 02:17 PM - Re: Step L angles (Gig Giacona)
35. 03:16 PM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Southern Reflections)
36. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? (David Downey)
37. 05:27 PM - Standard "L" (Randy L. Thwing)
38. 07:05 PM - Re: Transport Canada (Steve Hulland)
39. 07:13 PM - Re: 701 Electric flap option (LRM)
40. 08:56 PM - Re: landing light (Ron Lendon)
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! |
I like the twist throttle idea for some flying..but I've never seen one with a
good lock system that releases easy ! After all, a lot of flying is done at pretty
constant throttle settings!
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| Subject: | Re: landing light |
As a long time fire fighter, I do not think I would heat plastic in a
cooking oven. I know of several folks who got at least a partial new
home from such antics.
Do Not Archive
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Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
IS it uncomfortable? Yes it is , the Y stick is designed to fall into
the natural position of your arm and hand. If you take the Y portion off
you will find that your right shoulder and wrist will be fatigued a lot
faster. But, to each their own, my suggestion would be to leave it alone
until you have several hours of flight time in your plane. As for the
motorcycle throttle, great thought up front but I see issues with
disturbed winds and I see potential dangerous situations on gusting
cross wind landings. I will not tell anyone what to do but I do suggest
you really think things out. IF you are considering hacking off the Y
then consider dual sticks.
What does the Y stick offer, it offers the ergonomic comfort that allows
for long distance flights without muscle strain. It allows for the
passenger to gain flight experience with holding on to the other side of
the stick. It make for a more social flying experience. It allows for
you to rest your wrist into the bottom of the Y on long flights. It
allows for you to have your elbow planted on a arm rest and your hand
fall naturally into neutral flight position.
In short the Y configuration has advantages to it that are seldom
considered. Ask someone who has had a Zenith Aircraft a long time they
still have the Y stick installed.
The decision is ultimately yours to make, but because it is not what you
used before is not a good enough excuse to hack it off. Give it a try
for a few hours first, then hack it off if you so desire. I doubt you
would.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
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-----Original Message-----
Is it un- comfortable?Tell me about it JoeN101HD
----- Original Message -----
I'd hold off with the hack saw until after you see how comfortable the
"Y" stick is.
----- Original Message ----
Steve I've thinking about doing that for over 2 years ... I've got my
hack
saw out.....
---How about putting a twist throttle on the stick--,jost like on a
bike.
It works ver well belive it or not..Joe N101HD Original Message -----
>
> Cut the Y off !
>
> Put your Stick handle(like my nice Ray's with 1000 functions!) on the
stub
> !
> More like a standard control stick ! And less in the way!
>
> If you wanna fly right handed you're jake!
>
> If you wanna fly left handed, fly (shock horror ! ) from the right
seat !
>
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
I found the "Y" stick very comfortable on my 701. I had foam grips on the
"Y" (sold at motorcyle shops). Very comfortable to hold onto, and while in
cruise, it was very comfortable to rest my hand/wrist in the bottom of th
e "Y". =0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Southern Reflections
<purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday
, March 5, 2007 10:36:38 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Y-stick solution !
comfort ?=0A=0A=0AIs it un- comfortable?Tell me about it JoeN101HD=0A-
---- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Big Gee =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.c
om =0ASent: Monday, March 05, 2007 10:00 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Y-s
tick solution ! comfort ?=0A=0A=0AI'd hold off with the hack saw until afte
r you see how comfortable the "Y" stick is.=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message
----=0AFrom: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: zenith
-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 5, 2007 7:07:53 PM=0ASubject: Re:
"Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>=0A=0ASteve I've thinki
ng about doing that for over 2 years ... I've got my hack =0Asaw out.....
=0A---How about putting a twist throttle on the stick--,jost like on a bik
e. =0AIt works ver well belive it or not..Joe N101HD Original Message -----
=0AFrom: "secatur" <appraise1@bigpond.com>=0ATo: <zenith-list@matronics.co
m>=0ASent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:37 AM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Y-stick s
@bigpond.com>=0A>=0A> Cut the Y off !=0A>=0A> Put your Stick handle(like my
nice Ray's with 1000 functions!) on the stub =0A> !=0A> More like a standa
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| Subject: | Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
I am with Mark on this... When I first got my 801 kit I looked at the Y
stick and assumed I would not like that at all.. After 160+ hours I woul
d NOT want anything else. Just take the Y, add a Ray Allen top and enjoy
,,, YMMV
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote:
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fice" />IS it uncomfortable? Yes it is , the Y stick is designed to fall
into the natural position of your arm and hand. If you take the Y porti
on off you will find that your right shoulder and wrist will be fatigued
a lot faster. But, to each their own, my suggestion would be to leave i
t alone until you have several hours of flight time in your plane. As fo
r the motorcycle throttle, great thought up front but I see issues with
disturbed winds and I see potential dangerous situations on gusting cros
s wind landings. I will not tell anyone what to do but I do suggest you
really think things out. IF you are considering hacking off the Y then c
onsider dual sticks.
What does the Y stick offer, it offers the ergonomic comfort that allows
for long distance flights without muscle strain. It allows for the pass
enger to gain flight experience with holding on to the other side of the
stick. It make for a more social flying experience. It allows for you t
o rest your wrist into the bottom of the Y on long flights. It allows fo
r you to have your elbow planted on a arm rest and your hand fall natura
lly into neutral flight position.
In short the Y configuration has advantages to it that are seldom consid
ered. Ask someone who has had a Zenith Aircraft a long time they still h
ave the Y stick installed.
The decision is ultimately yours to make, but because it is not what you
used before is not a good enough excuse to hack it off. Give it a try f
or a few hours first, then hack it off if you so desire. I doubt you wou
ld.
Mark Townsend Alma, <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-
microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
Is it un- comfortable?Tell me about it JoeN101HD
----- Original Message -----
I'd hold off with the hack saw until after you see how comfortable the "
Y" stick is.
----- Original Message ----
Steve I've thinking about doing that for over 2 years ... I've got my
hack
saw out.....
---How about putting a twist throttle on the stick--,jost like on a bik
e.
It works ver well belive it or not..Joe N101HD Original Message -----
>
> Cut the Y off !
>
> Put your Stick handle(like my nice Ray's with 1000 functions!) on the
stub
> !
> More like a standard control stick ! And less in the way!
>
> If you wanna fly right handed you're jake!
>
> If you wanna fly left handed, fly (shock horror ! ) from the right sea
t !
>
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8:12 AM
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<html><P><EM>I am with Mark on this... When I first got my 801 kit
I looked at the Y stick and assumed I would not like that at all..
After 160+ hours I would NOT want anything else. Just take the Y, add a
Ray Allen top and enjoy,,, YMMV</EM></P>
<P><EM>do not archive</EM><BR><BR><BR>Ben Haas<BR>N801BH<BR>www.haa
spowerair.com<BR><BR>-- "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca&
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ll into the natural position of your arm and hand. If you <SPAN class=
GramE>take</SPAN> the Y portion off you will find that your right should
er and wrist will be fatigued a lot faster. <SPAN class=GramE>But</SPA
N>, to each their own, my suggestion would be to leave it alone until yo
u have several hours of flight time in your plane. As for the motorcycle
throttle, great thought up front but I see issues with disturbed winds
and I see potential dangerous situations on gusting cross wind landings.
I will not tell anyone what to do but I do suggest you really think thi
ngs out. IF you are considering hacking off the Y then consider dual sti
cks. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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e="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What does the Y s
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our wrist into the bottom of the Y on long flights. It allows <SPAN clas
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e="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In <SPAN class=
GramE>short</SPAN> the Y configuration has advantages to it that are sel
dom considered. Ask someone who has had a Zenith Aircraft a long time th
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class=GramE>Give it a try</SPAN> for a few hours first, then hack it
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NT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">Ontario</
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601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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le="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: ye
s"><A href="http://www.ch601.org/">www.ch601.org</A> / <A href="http
://www.ch701.com/">www.ch701.com</A>/ <A href="http://www.osprey2.com/
">www.Osprey2.com</A></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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----<BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Steve I've thinki
ng about doing that for over 2 years ... I've got my &nb
sp;hack <BR>saw out.....<BR>---How about putting a twist thro
ttle on the stick--,jost like on a bike. <BR>It works ver well belive it
or not<SPAN class=GramE>..</SPAN>Joe N101HD Original Message ----- <B
R><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>> --> Zenith-List
message posted by: "secatur" <appraise1@bigpond.com><BR>><BR>&
gt; Cut the Y <SPAN class=GramE>off !<BR></SPAN>><BR>> Put your
Stick <SPAN class=GramE>handle(</SPAN>like my nice Ray's with 1000 fun
ctions!) on the stub <BR>> !<BR>> More like a standard control sti
ck ! And less in the way!<BR>><BR>> If you wanna fly right handed
you're jake!<BR>><BR>> If you wanna fly left handed, fly (shock ho
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
For those of you who have chimed in about having flown the Y-stick for quite a
while, please answer my current worry about putting a y-stick in my XL: For right-handers,
how do you handle right-handed tasks like writing down AITS info,
tuning radios or handling anything on the right side of the instrument panel?
Especially if you are in a maneuvering sequence or in choppy conditions that
do not allow hands-off flying?
I am planning on the Y-stick but will have these quandaries until I can experience
and work through them myself.
Thanks,
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
starting fueslage.
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| Subject: | 701 Electric flap option |
Does anyone know of a dealer that offers electric flaps for a 701? I've been in
contact with Skyshop and they're a little reluctant to sell the electric flap
system.
Also, is there anyone who has the 'standard' flap control handle in the ZAC plans
who can comment on the design? I've seen a couple builders design their own
system which leads me to believe the standard ZAC design is difficult to operate.
Any comments would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Dan Ginty
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Electric flap option |
Dan, I did some mods, 2 sticks and a different throttle, flaperon system,
contact me off line I will send some pics if you want.
All the best,
Dirk
Piketberg SA
701 on long final
----- Original Message -----
From: "txpilot" <djg7@houston.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Electric flap option
>
> Does anyone know of a dealer that offers electric flaps for a 701? I've
> been in contact with Skyshop and they're a little reluctant to sell the
> electric flap system.
>
> Also, is there anyone who has the 'standard' flap control handle in the
> ZAC plans who can comment on the design? I've seen a couple builders
> design their own system which leads me to believe the standard ZAC design
> is difficult to operate.
>
> Any comments would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Ginty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99051#99051
>
>
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| Subject: | Maximum cross wind for 801 |
I live in a place where we don't get crosswinds or when we do they are blowing
they are 20 gusting to 30 off the 6000' mountain and the commuters aren't even
flying. What have other 801 flyers found to be the maximum crosswind they can
land in. Do you use any special technique?
Thanks
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
280 hrs
Valdez, Alaska
Installing wing strut fairings, Just finished fixing second gas tank leak
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
Dave go to www.homebuilthelp.com and pick up the panel DVD. It will
show you all considerations taken into account on building your panel
with a center stick.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:23 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
<david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
For those of you who have chimed in about having flown the Y-stick for
quite a while, please answer my current worry about putting a y-stick in
my XL: For right-handers, how do you handle right-handed tasks like
writing down AITS info, tuning radios or handling anything on the right
side of the instrument panel? Especially if you are in a maneuvering
sequence or in choppy conditions that do not allow hands-off flying?
I am planning on the Y-stick but will have these quandaries until I can
experience and work through them myself.
Thanks,
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
starting fueslage.
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
It's not too hard to use the opposite hand on the Y stick for a short
time to adjust radios and such. Very little effort is required for
pitch control, roll requires a little bit more force but not very
much deflection and the rudder can easily be used to lift a wing as
well. If you can find anyone near you who has a Zodiac, I would
recommend taking a test flight to see just hoe easy the plane is to fly.
On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:23 AM, DaveG601XL wrote:recommend
> <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
>
> For those of you who have chimed in about having flown the Y-stick
> for quite a while, please answer my current worry about putting a y-
> stick in my XL: For right-handers, how do you handle right-handed
> tasks like writing down AITS info, tuning radios or handling
> anything on the right side of the instrument panel? Especially if
> you are in a maneuvering sequence or in choppy conditions that do
> not allow hands-off flying?
>
> I am planning on the Y-stick but will have these quandaries until I
> can experience and work through them myself.
>
> Thanks,
>
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Electric flap option |
Dan.
Here is a link to a supply company that has linear actuators that will work great
for electric flaps. They also have a control unit that allows preset stops.
Mark S.
701/912ULS
----- Original Message ----
From: txpilot <djg7@houston.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 7:52:54 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Electric flap option
Does anyone know of a dealer that offers electric flaps for a 701? I've been in
contact with Skyshop and they're a little reluctant to sell the electric flap
system.
Also, is there anyone who has the 'standard' flap control handle in the ZAC plans
who can comment on the design? I've seen a couple builders design their own
system which leads me to believe the standard ZAC design is difficult to operate.
Any comments would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Dan Ginty
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Electric flap option |
Dan.
Not much help if I don't post the link. DUH
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 07030610570806&item=5-1577-4&catname=electric
Mark S.
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From: txpilot <djg7@houston.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 7:52:54 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Electric flap option
Does anyone know of a dealer that offers electric flaps for a 701? I've been in
contact with Skyshop and they're a little reluctant to sell the electric flap
system.
Also, is there anyone who has the 'standard' flap control handle in the ZAC plans
who can comment on the design? I've seen a couple builders design their own
system which leads me to believe the standard ZAC design is difficult to operate.
Any comments would be appreciated!
Thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: landing light |
This is why this list has its limitations. People speculate. Too much tim
e to think. I mean no disrespect to you, Ron. But I read through emails f
or people who say things like, "I did this", and "I know first hand."
So here's what I know first hand: I heated my Plexiglas lens in the very sa
me oven we use to feed our family -- GASP --
with no ill effects. Not a smell, no one came down with cancer in the inte
rvening years. The temps are so low there is no problem. The Thanksgiving
Turkey even tasted good :-)Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: landing light> From: rlendon@comcast.net> Date:
Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:22:33 -0800> To: zenith-list@matronics.com> > --> Zenit
h-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>> > I wouldn't
recommend heating plastic in a oven you plan on using to prepare food in. J
ust not a good idea.> > Fitting is just part of the process of making it ri
ght.> > --------> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI> Corvair Zodiac XL, Scra
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
David, I have the dual sticks in my XL and the ability to fly left handed is extremely
valuable. Fly for three really bumpy hours, reach over to adjust the air
vent, pull the carb heat, pull the cabin heat knob, push in a buss breakers,
change fuel tanks, flip through freqs on the radio, punch in data in the GPS,
refold a chart map, unlatch and use the fire extingisher, pick your right nose
hole, etc. are just a few examples of center yoke can't do's. I flew Saturday
and experienced a numb right hand after about an hour. I'm building an RV-8
and had banged a couple hundred rivets over the previous few days and the impact
caused the right hand some problems. Without the ability to changes hands,
getting back down might have been a real problem. I've flow an HD, HDS and XL
with center yokes and the dual sticks have it all over them for comfort and utility.
If you have not flown a dual stick XL your welcome to come fly mine. FWIW,
Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: zodierocket@hsfx.ca
Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
Dave go to www.homebuilthelp.com and pick up the panel DVD. It will
show you all considerations taken into account on building your panel
with a center stick.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:23 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
<david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
For those of you who have chimed in about having flown the Y-stick for
quite a while, please answer my current worry about putting a y-stick in
my XL: For right-handers, how do you handle right-handed tasks like
writing down AITS info, tuning radios or handling anything on the right
side of the instrument panel? Especially if you are in a maneuvering
sequence or in choppy conditions that do not allow hands-off flying?
I am planning on the Y-stick but will have these quandaries until I can
experience and work through them myself.
Thanks,
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
starting fueslage.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99049#99049
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| Subject: | Re: Standard L-angles |
Hi Paul,
I spoke by phone with Shirley at Zenith this very morning..... she's pretty
good about returning calls and not letting issues just hang there waiting. The
angles in question are the ones bent out of .020 6061-T6 as I explained in the
original post. I mentioned also that the reason I would have preferred to get
them from Zenith is that the bend radius (they are not extruded pieces) would
conform to their specs. Shirley informed me that they are indeed OVER $7 each.
As I stated, my cost through AS is 1.67 each. I'm certain that Zenith gets
better prices than I do which means that the labor and profit comprise about $6
per four foot piece.
I asked Shirley to cancel the order and I will make up as many angles as I need
on my own. In this case, I'm going to take an exemption from the stupid tax.
It is a simple issue, Zenith has the right to charge whatever they want and I
have the responsibility to deal with that.
Ed
---- Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> It sounds like you are ahead of me again. I am working on the rear top skin.
>
> I am a little confused about the angle you mentioned. Is the one you
> got extruded or bent? The extruded ones they include in the kit are
> a special size that are not available normally in the USA. I think
> Zenair has them extruded as a special order with a $1000 minimum or
> some such thing. That is why they are more expensive than the kind
> that are made in high volume for distribution to many outlets.
>
> If it is a bent piece, then the labor is probably more than the cost
> of the aluminum.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
> do not archive
>
>
> At 06:50 PM 3/5/2007, you wrote:
> >Has anyone on the list had to order some additional lightweight
> >L-angles like the ones that are supplied with the kit? I just
> >ordered some and the price came out to about $7 for a 4 foot piece
> >of 20mm by 20mm angle .020" thick (6061-T6 bare) plus shipping. Can
> >that be right? The cost of the aluminum is about $1.67each. Can
> >there really be $5.33 of labor and profit in such a generic piece of
> >stock that is kept on hand to be included in every Zenith kit? Had I
> >suspected that the price was so high, I would have simply
> >manufactured them myself at home. I expected maybe $3 per piece and
> >felt that it would be worth having them bent to exactly the same
> >radius as the pieces that came with the kit. I guess the stupid tax
> >strikes again!
> >
> >Dred
> >601XL/Jabiru/ middle top skin
> >
> >Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
My experience is the opposite. I've flown my center "Y" stick for about 80
hours now, with two very long days in there. I was able to change frequen
cies, read charts, write down notes and even pick my nose, all with my righ
t hand. In fact, when I did use my right hand for flying, i usually rested
it on the armrest and gripped the stick down very low. Very comfortable.
The funny thing is, I never really noticed which hand I was flying with.
To me this is a non issue.Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
! comfort ?Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:30:46 -0500From: japhillipsga@aol.com
David, I have the dual sticks in my XL and the ability to fly left handed i
s extremely valuable. Fly for three really bumpy hours, reach over to adjus
t the air vent, pull the carb heat, pull the cabin heat knob, push in a bus
s breakers, change fuel tanks, flip through freqs on the radio, punch in da
ta in the GPS, refold a chart map, unlatch and use the fire extingisher, pi
ck your right nose hole, etc. are just a few examples of center yoke can't
do's. I flew Saturday and experienced a numb right hand after about an hour
. I'm building an RV-8 and had banged a couple hundred rivets over the prev
ious few days and the impact caused the right hand some problems. Without t
he ability to changes hands, getting back down might have been a real probl
em. I've flow an HD, HDS and XL with center yokes and the dual sticks have
it all over them for comfort and utility. If you have not flown a dual stic
k XL your welcome to come fly mine. FWIW, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----From: zodierocket@hsfx.caTo: zenith-list@matron
ics.comSent: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:58 AMSubject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick
solution ! comfort ?
Dave go to www.homebuilthelp.com and pick up the panel DVD. It will
show you all considerations taken into account on building your panel
with a center stick.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:23 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
<david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
For those of you who have chimed in about having flown the Y-stick for
quite a while, please answer my current worry about putting a y-stick in
my XL: For right-handers, how do you handle right-handed tasks like
writing down AITS info, tuning radios or handling anything on the right
side of the instrument panel? Especially if you are in a maneuvering
sequence or in choppy conditions that do not allow hands-off flying?
I am planning on the Y-stick but will have these quandaries until I can
experience and work through them myself.
Thanks,
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
starting fueslage.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99049#99049
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| Subject: | Transport Canada |
List Members this message is for Canadian Owners and flying planes. I
have been asked to forward it to Zenith owners as it does affect them
Mark do not archive
-----Original Message-----
TRANSPORT CANADA MARCH 1 ECATS MEETING
I have just returned from a Transport Canada ECATS (Electronic
Collection of Air Transportation Statistics) meeting in Ottawa, attended
also by NavCanada, ATAC, Copa, and several other organizations. The
purpose of the meeting was to inform us of Transports wish to collect
much more data than they do now, and to find a means of doing this as
painlessly as possible. They have already made their presentation to
CBAA and it was well received there. They are now hoping to receive the
same cooperation from the private flying community. Among the data that
they would like to receive is the information already submitted in the
AAIR, namely the hours flown. However they would also like to know the
takeoff and landing points of each flight, the number of passengers on
board, the maximum takeoff weight, the nature of the flight (revenue or
non revenue?) and the departure and arrival times, and of course the
registration of the plane.
The justification for all of this is that Transport has little
information on which to base the future of Canadian private aviation.
They wish to know the economic impact of private aviation in order to be
able to justify the use of airspace by our categories, and perhaps also
the viability of the uncontrolled airspace airports that do not
currently have a means of collecting data. For example a large fly-in
might have a couple hundred planes, each using twenty gallons of fuel
and a crew who consumes a few meals at the destination. If this took
place at an uncontrolled airport, as it usually does, none of this
economic activity is credited towards our use of the airspace.
I explained that for the Amateur-Built community they might have a
reasonable chance of gaining cooperation if they could be trusted not to
misuse the information. It might also be necessary to offer a benefit in
exchange for all the work of reporting, perhaps semi-annually, perhaps
quarterly. However for the Ultralight community it would be almost
impossible to gain cooperation because even logbooks are not required
for the over 4000 Basic ULs currently on the TC registry. If they were
asking the same of the boating community, they would likely get
cooperation from the owners of large yachts, and some measure of
cooperation from the owners of the runabouts. However the windsurfers
would probably just keep windsurfing and ignore all requests. They could
probably expect the same in the aviation community.
I have agreed to ask all of you your opinions on this. If you wish to
have your voice heard, please respond to ecats@raa.ca .
During the coffee break I had a conversation with Kevin Psutka of Copa,
and the rep from NavCanada. There will be a change to the airspace in
the Toronto area on July 5th, and a circular layer of Class E airspace
with a floor of 6500 ft will extend from YYZ for a 65 nm radius. I
believe that originally the intention had been to have this airspace as
Class C or D but Kevin Psutka was responsible for limiting it to Class
E. For most of us this will be a non or limited issue, but we should be
aware that NavCanada would also like to have much more control of the
airspace, and for us to have Mode C transponders. The NavCanada rep was
surprised to hear that many light aircraft do not even have a radio, let
alone a Mode C transponder. It is a different world in Ottawa. If we do
show by the ECATS system that we are a large part of aviation, we will
have more clout in dealing with this.
Gary Wolf
President RAA
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| Subject: | Maximum cross wind for 801 |
Bill:
I have landed in a 25 MPH cross wind which had about a 17 MPH 90 deg.
component. I ran out of rudder just as it settled in and started to
weathervane into the wind. I would not try anything stiffer than that
unless you were landing on wet grass.
Tom Faulkner
85 hrs.
N801TP
Berrien Springs,MI
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You mean the FAA will become the another IRS? Great! I'm sure they
will be just as helpful and make things just as simple as the IRS does
for all of us!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Standard L-angles |
[quote="dredmoody(at)cox.net"]Has anyone on the list had to order some additional
lightweight L-angles like the ones that are supplied with the kit? I just
ordered some and the price came out to about $7 for a 4 foot piece of 20mm by
20mm angle .020" thick (6061-T6 bare) plus shipping. Can that be right? The
cost of the aluminum is about $1.67each. Can there really be $5.33 of labor
and profit in such a generic piece of stock that is kept on hand to be included
in every Zenith kit? Had I suspected that the price was so high, I would have
simply manufactured them myself at home. I expected maybe $3 per piece and
felt that it would be worth having them bent to exactly the same radius as
the pieces that came with the kit. I guess the stupid tax strikes again!
Dred
601XL/Jabiru/ middle top skin
No. That;s why I'm building from plans. You have to do a fair amount of work bulding
from a kit anyway, doesn't take that much more to make the parts too, plus
it's a lot cheaper and you learn a lot. May not be the best solution for everyone,
but works great for me.
Do Not Archive
> [b]
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum cross wind for 801 |
When it gets that windy I don't fly. The real problem is keeping it from
flying as you take it out of the hangar. I did return back to home fiel
d during a frontal passage and the winds were 26, gusts to 35,and a 90 d
egree crosswind. Jackson Hole's runway is 150' wide. I just landed cross
ways and got it stopped about 30' past the centerline. Taxiing back to t
he hangar was something I never want to do again. That's where the wreck
will happen.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone@gci.net> wrote:
I live in a place where we don't get crosswinds or when we do they are b
lowing they are 20 gusting to 30 off the 6000' mountain and the commuter
s aren't even flying. What have other 801 flyers found to be the maximu
m crosswind they can land in. Do you use any special technique? Thanks
Bill WilcoxN801BW280 hrsValdez, AlaskaInstalling wing strut fairings, J
ust finished fixing second gas tank leak
<html><P>When it gets that windy I don't fly. The real problem is keepin
g it from flying as you take it out of the hangar. I did return back to
home field during a frontal passage and the winds were 26, gusts to 35,a
nd a 90 degree crosswind. Jackson Hole's runway is 150' wide. I jus
t landed crossways and got it stopped about 30' past the centerline. Tax
iing back to the hangar was something I never want to do again. That's w
here the wreck will happen.</P>
<P>do not archive<BR><BR><BR>Ben Haas<BR>N801BH<BR>www.haaspowerair
.com<BR><BR>-- Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone
@gci.net> wrote:<BR></P>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I live in a place where we don't get cr
osswinds or when we do they are blowing they are 20 gusting to 30 off th
e 6000' mountain and the commuters aren't even flying. What have o
ther 801 flyers found to be the maximum crosswind they can land in.
Do you use any special technique?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill Wilcox</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>N801BW</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>280 hrs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Valdez, Alaska</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Installing wing strut fairings, Just fi
nished fixing second gas tank leak</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: landing light |
do not archive
...especially if you allow the oven to sit at its self-cleaning cycle for a little
while afterwards...
Phil Maxson <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com> wrote:
P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma
} This is why this list has its limitations. People speculate. Too
much time to think. I mean no disrespect to you, Ron. But I read through
emails for people who say things like, "I did this", and "I know first hand."
So here's what I know first hand: I heated my Plexiglas lens in the very same oven
we use to feed our family -- GASP --
with no ill effects. Not a smell, no one came down with cancer in the intervening
years. The temps are so low there is no problem. The Thanksgiving Turkey
even tasted good :-)
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
---------------------------------
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: landing light
> From: rlendon@comcast.net
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:22:33 -0800
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I wouldn't recommend heating plastic in a oven you plan on using to prepare food
in. Just not a good idea.
>
> Fitting is just part of the process of making it right.
>
> --------
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
> http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Standard L-angles |
Ed-
I saw the Zenith price for L angles a while back and guard them like
gold! Every little scrap is saved and used where I can.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Moody II
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:50 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Standard L-angles
Has anyone on the list had to order some additional lightweight
L-angles like the ones that are supplied with the kit? I just ordered
some and the price came out to about $7 for a 4 foot piece of 20mm by
20mm angle .020" thick (6061-T6 bare) plus shipping. Can that be right?
The cost of the aluminum is about $1.67each. Can there really be $5.33
of labor and profit in such a generic piece of stock that is kept on
hand to be included in every Zenith kit? Had I suspected that the price
was so high, I would have simply manufactured them myself at home. I
expected maybe $3 per piece and felt that it would be worth having them
bent to exactly the same radius as the pieces that came with the kit. I
guess the stupid tax strikes again!
Dred
601XL/Jabiru/ middle top skin
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| Subject: | Re: Standard L-angles |
[quote="naumuk(at)alltel.net"]Ed-
I saw the Zenith price for L angles a while back and guard them like gold!
Every little scrap is saved and used where I can.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
> ---
Just buy or make a small bending brake and you can have all the angles you want
for cheap.
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CH601XL - Corvair
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| Subject: | Steps, revisited |
All-
I'd have to have anyone with the old hand drawn prints verify this,
but the new prints call for a fairing over the step tube that isn't
evident in the earlier prints. This would reinforce the area, cut down
on drag, and prevent the air from slapping on the cross-tube.
Will combine the two procedures. Might take 8 guys pushing to get
the project off the ground, but...........
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit side panels |
Rick,
Is corplast fire resistant?
Mack
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| Subject: | Re: landing light |
[quote="planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co"]do not archive
...especially if you allow the oven to sit at its self-cleaning cycle for a little
while afterwards...
Phil Maxson wrote:
[quote] P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma
} This is why this list has its limitations. People speculate.
Too much time to think. I mean no disrespect to you, Ron. But I read through
emails for people who say things like, "I did this", and "I know first
hand."
So here's what I know first hand: I heated my Plexiglas lens in the very same oven
we use to feed our family -- GASP --
with no ill effects. Not a smell, no one came down with cancer in the intervening
years. The temps are so low there is no problem. The Thanksgiving Turkey
even tasted good :-)
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
> Subject: Re: landing light
> From: rlendon@comcast.net
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:22:33 -0800
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I wouldn't recommend heating plastic in a oven you plan on using to prepare
food in. Just not a good idea.
>
> Fitting is just part of the process of making it right.
>
> --------
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
> http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
>
>
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> [b]
Worst case, take it to the local high school and ask if you can put it in the kiln.
Even so, I don't see why it would be that hard to make a mini-oven using some flashing
or aluminum sheet, sticking the part in there, and then toting the kerosene
heater outside and plopping it on the top for a few minutes.
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? |
[quote="craig(at)craigandjean.com"]The curved landing gear could be composite: www.zenithair.com/zodiac/607/xl-eu7.jpg (http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/607/xl-eu7.jpg).
-- Craig
do not archive
> [b]
I was going to say, that's a definite.
I'd have to think a fiberglass flap would be heavier. Aluminum is about as light
as you can go. I know an aluminum boat and a fiberglass boat of the same size,
the fiberglass one will be much heavier.
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
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Bill,
I asked Nick about this a while back. With the new style steps, the tubes
interconnect under the middle of the fuselage and the extruded L's are
eliminated. There is no longer any attachment in the middle. The
difference is a short larger tube that allows the opposite tube to be
captured in the middle.
Jeff Davidson
All-
Have conflicting information. On the old hand-drawn plans for HD/HDSs,
there are two L angles riveted to the bottom rear fuse skin that are in turn
bolted to the center of the tube that goes spanwise between the steps. No
additional internal bracing, just L angles riveted with A5s to the .016
bottom skin. Doesn't seen very sturdy.
On the HD/HDS Cad drawings, there's no mention of the L angles at all!
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| Subject: | Re: side panels with ARM RESTS? |
[quote="zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca"]Robin, before you go ahead and make your armrests,
sit in your UPHOLSTERED seat and read a very large book( I read Da-Vinci Code).
You will find two answers, your seats are, or are not comfortable and secondly
you will never use armrests, thirdly you have no way of peeing into a cup
or bottle J. I understand your thought process, but it is spawned from not
having spent time in the seat.
Sorry Guys , I had to add the pee thinnggy again!!!
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 on wheels
www.ch601.org (http://www.ch601.org) / www.ch701.com (http://www.ch701.com)/ www.Osprey2.com (http://www.Osprey2.com)
From: 601zv@ritternet.com
Subject: side panels with ARM RESTS?
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:00:45 -0600
Seems like sitting in a 601 is like sitting in an armchair with one arm missing.
I'm wondering if anyone has designed flip-up armrests, or might know of a KISS/Lightweight
hinge suitable for such application, with a "lock in the up position"
feature?
Robin in AR
601XL Zen-Vair, 601ZV reserved
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> [b]
I'm going to put a pop-up pisser in my plane that then empties to a tank that can
then be evacuated through a small tube that extends behind the rudder. :)
Maybe I'll just make my seats out of two toilet seats, that way I don't ahve to
worry about stopping to use the bathroom, and as a bonus I can use the toilet
paper roll as an armrest.
Now I just have to decide if I want padded seats, or the clear ones with pennies
embedded in them.
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca wrote:
> IS it uncomfortable? Yes it is , the Y stick is designed to fall into the natural
position of your arm and hand. If you take the Y portion off you will find
that your right shoulder and wrist will be fatigued a lot faster. But, to each
their own, my suggestion would be to leave it alone until you have several
hours of flight time in your plane. As for the motorcycle throttle, great thought
up front but I see issues with disturbed winds and I see potential dangerous
situations on gusting cross wind landings. I will not tell anyone what to do
but I do suggest you really think things out. IF you are considering hacking
off the Y then consider dual sticks.
>
> What does the Y stick offer, it offers the ergonomic comfort that allows for
long distance flights without muscle strain. It allows for the passenger to gain
flight experience with holding on to the other side of the stick. It make for
a more social flying experience. It allows for you to rest your wrist into
the bottom of the Y on long flights. It allows for you to have your elbow planted
on a arm rest and your hand fall naturally into neutral flight position.
>
> In short the Y configuration has advantages to it that are seldom considered.
Ask someone who has had a Zenith Aircraft a long time they still have the Y stick
installed.
>
> The decision is ultimately yours to make, but because it is not what you used
before is not a good enough excuse to hack it off. Give it a try for a few hours
first, then hack it off if you so desire. I doubt you would.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org (http://www.ch601.org) / www.ch701.com (http://www.ch701.com)/ www.Osprey2.com (http://www.Osprey2.com)
>
> --
WWII English fighter planes had an oval ring on the end of the stick for comfort
and so the pilot could get boths hands on their for pulling out of dives. But
mostly it was for comfort. I think if you put your arm up on the rest and then
put your arm out, relax it and hold it near the stick, you'll find the Y shape
accommodates your grip better. Just thinking about a straight stick there
makes the back of my shoulder ache.
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum cross wind for 801 |
BILL,
WHERE ARE YOUR TANKS LEAKING?
DAVE IN SALEM
----- Original Message -----
From: n801bh@netzero.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Maximum cross wind for 801
When it gets that windy I don't fly. The real problem is keeping it
from flying as you take it out of the hangar. I did return back to home
field during a frontal passage and the winds were 26, gusts to 35,and a
90 degree crosswind. Jackson Hole's runway is 150' wide. I just landed
crossways and got it stopped about 30' past the centerline. Taxiing back
to the hangar was something I never want to do again. That's where the
wreck will happen.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone@gci.net> wrote:
I live in a place where we don't get crosswinds or when we do they are
blowing they are 20 gusting to 30 off the 6000' mountain and the
commuters aren't even flying. What have other 801 flyers found to be
the maximum crosswind they can land in. Do you use any special
technique?
Thanks
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
280 hrs
Valdez, Alaska
Installing wing strut fairings, Just finished fixing second gas tank
leak
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| Subject: | Re: Step L angles |
Actually they are about the same length. Only one flares at the end so the other
can fit into it.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
THANKS FOR ALL THE INPUT, HACK SAW GOING BACK IN THE TOOL BOX FOR A WHILE
JOE n 101 HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
>
>
> zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca wrote:
>> IS it uncomfortable? Yes it is , the Y stick is designed to fall into the
>> natural position of your arm and hand. If you take the Y portion off you
>> will find that your right shoulder and wrist will be fatigued a lot
>> faster. But, to each their own, my suggestion would be to leave it alone
>> until you have several hours of flight time in your plane. As for the
>> motorcycle throttle, great thought up front but I see issues with
>> disturbed winds and I see potential dangerous situations on gusting cross
>> wind landings. I will not tell anyone what to do but I do suggest you
>> really think things out. IF you are considering hacking off the Y then
>> consider dual sticks.
>>
>> What does the Y stick offer, it offers the ergonomic comfort that allows
>> for long distance flights without muscle strain. It allows for the
>> passenger to gain flight experience with holding on to the other side of
>> the stick. It make for a more social flying experience. It allows for you
>> to rest your wrist into the bottom of the Y on long flights. It allows
>> for you to have your elbow planted on a arm rest and your hand fall
>> naturally into neutral flight position.
>>
>> In short the Y configuration has advantages to it that are seldom
>> considered. Ask someone who has had a Zenith Aircraft a long time they
>> still have the Y stick installed.
>>
>> The decision is ultimately yours to make, but because it is not what you
>> used before is not a good enough excuse to hack it off. Give it a try for
>> a few hours first, then hack it off if you so desire. I doubt you would.
>>
>> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
>> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
>> www.ch601.org (http://www.ch601.org) / www.ch701.com
>> (http://www.ch701.com)/ www.Osprey2.com (http://www.Osprey2.com)
>>
>> --
>
>
> WWII English fighter planes had an oval ring on the end of the stick for
> comfort and so the pilot could get boths hands on their for pulling out of
> dives. But mostly it was for comfort. I think if you put your arm up on
> the rest and then put your arm out, relax it and hold it near the stick,
> you'll find the Y shape accommodates your grip better. Just thinking about
> a straight stick there makes the back of my shoulder ache.
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99136#99136
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? |
I got an e-mail from Nick this afternoon and he said that they expect to have the
arched gear available by the summer (2007?)!
[quote="craig(at)craigandjean.com"]The curved landing gear could be composite: www.zenithair.com/zodiac/607/xl-eu7.jpg (http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/607/xl-eu7.jpg).
-- Craig
do not archive
> [b]
I was going to say, that's a definite.
I'd have to think a fiberglass flap would be heavier. Aluminum is about as light
as you can go. I know an aluminum boat and a fiberglass boat of the same size,
the fiberglass one will be much heavier.
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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Here is a pic of bending standard "L" on the Tapco house siding brake,
although the "L" in the picture is .016, bending .025" works out the same.
When "scrapbuilding", "L" is nearly free!
Randy L. Thwing, do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Transport Canada |
Gary Wolf, (Via Zodie Rocket)
Thank you for adding one more nail that can be used to shut the USA
FAA User Fee and Control (read power) issue. Canada gets less and less
freedom to fly because of the reporting, excessive control and
excessive fees to fly a small private. There is and never will be any
good reason for the government to have more control and collect more
money. Sure glad we are not like you guys when it comes to the freedom
to fly.
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Electric flap option |
Check my site. You will find both the electric flaps and dual sticks on a
701.
Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "txpilot" <djg7@houston.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Electric flap option
>
> Does anyone know of a dealer that offers electric flaps for a 701? I've
> been in contact with Skyshop and they're a little reluctant to sell the
> electric flap system.
>
> Also, is there anyone who has the 'standard' flap control handle in the
> ZAC plans who can comment on the design? I've seen a couple builders
> design their own system which leads me to believe the standard ZAC design
> is difficult to operate.
>
> Any comments would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Ginty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99051#99051
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: landing light |
None taken Phil, I found a thermo plastic shop down the street and let them drape
it to the form I made. I had an incident years back with a motorcycle chain,
grease and an oven. I guess I'm a little oven shy after that one.
I thought the nut plate idea was pretty good so tonight I made em up. The bottom
ones won't be used because it looks like there won't be any clearance. The
tops one should work fine though.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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