---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/06/07: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:13 AM - Re: Y-stick solution ! (secatur) 2. 04:55 AM - Re: Re: landing light (Steve Hulland) 3. 04:57 AM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (ZodieRocket) 4. 06:07 AM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Big Gee) 5. 06:15 AM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (n801bh@netzero.com) 6. 07:24 AM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (DaveG601XL) 7. 07:53 AM - 701 Electric flap option (txpilot) 8. 08:41 AM - Re: 701 Electric flap option (Dirk Slabbert) 9. 08:57 AM - Maximum cross wind for 801 (Keystone Engineering LLC) 10. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (ZodieRocket) 11. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Bryan Martin) 12. 09:05 AM - Re: 701 Electric flap option (Mark Sherman) 13. 09:14 AM - Re: 701 Electric flap option (Mark Sherman) 14. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: landing light (Phil Maxson) 15. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (japhillipsga@aol.com) 16. 09:44 AM - Re: Standard L-angles () 17. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Phil Maxson) 18. 10:48 AM - Transport Canada (ZodieRocket) 19. 10:48 AM - Re: Maximum cross wind for 801 (Tom Faulkner) 20. 12:06 PM - Re: Fuel Taxes (Paul Tipton) 21. 12:23 PM - Re: Standard L-angles (ashontz) 22. 12:24 PM - Re: Maximum cross wind for 801 (n801bh@netzero.com) 23. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: landing light (David Downey) 24. 12:36 PM - Re: Standard L-angles (Bill Naumuk) 25. 12:42 PM - Re: Standard L-angles (ashontz) 26. 12:52 PM - Steps, revisited (Bill Naumuk) 27. 01:17 PM - Re: Cockpit side panels (Mack Kreizenbeck) 28. 01:37 PM - Re: landing light (ashontz) 29. 01:44 PM - Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? (ashontz) 30. 01:59 PM - Re: Step L angles (Jeff) 31. 02:00 PM - Re: side panels with ARM RESTS? (ashontz) 32. 02:08 PM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (ashontz) 33. 02:16 PM - Re: Maximum cross wind for 801 (Dave Ruddiman) 34. 02:17 PM - Re: Step L angles (Gig Giacona) 35. 03:16 PM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Southern Reflections) 36. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? (David Downey) 37. 05:27 PM - Standard "L" (Randy L. Thwing) 38. 07:05 PM - Re: Transport Canada (Steve Hulland) 39. 07:13 PM - Re: 701 Electric flap option (LRM) 40. 08:56 PM - Re: landing light (Ron Lendon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:55 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! From: "secatur" I like the twist throttle idea for some flying..but I've never seen one with a good lock system that releases easy ! After all, a lot of flying is done at pretty constant throttle settings! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99010#99010 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:03 AM PST US From: "Steve Hulland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: landing light As a long time fire fighter, I do not think I would heat plastic in a cooking oven. I know of several folks who got at least a partial new home from such antics. Do Not Archive -- Semper Fi, Steven R. Hulland CH 600 Taildragger Amado, AZ This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure virus free email and attachments. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:14 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? IS it uncomfortable? Yes it is , the Y stick is designed to fall into the natural position of your arm and hand. If you take the Y portion off you will find that your right shoulder and wrist will be fatigued a lot faster. But, to each their own, my suggestion would be to leave it alone until you have several hours of flight time in your plane. As for the motorcycle throttle, great thought up front but I see issues with disturbed winds and I see potential dangerous situations on gusting cross wind landings. I will not tell anyone what to do but I do suggest you really think things out. IF you are considering hacking off the Y then consider dual sticks. What does the Y stick offer, it offers the ergonomic comfort that allows for long distance flights without muscle strain. It allows for the passenger to gain flight experience with holding on to the other side of the stick. It make for a more social flying experience. It allows for you to rest your wrist into the bottom of the Y on long flights. It allows for you to have your elbow planted on a arm rest and your hand fall naturally into neutral flight position. In short the Y configuration has advantages to it that are seldom considered. Ask someone who has had a Zenith Aircraft a long time they still have the Y stick installed. The decision is ultimately yours to make, but because it is not what you used before is not a good enough excuse to hack it off. Give it a try for a few hours first, then hack it off if you so desire. I doubt you would. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK "http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- Is it un- comfortable?Tell me about it JoeN101HD ----- Original Message ----- I'd hold off with the hack saw until after you see how comfortable the "Y" stick is. ----- Original Message ---- Steve I've thinking about doing that for over 2 years ... I've got my hack saw out..... ---How about putting a twist throttle on the stick--,jost like on a bike. It works ver well belive it or not..Joe N101HD Original Message ----- > > Cut the Y off ! > > Put your Stick handle(like my nice Ray's with 1000 functions!) on the stub > ! > More like a standard control stick ! And less in the way! > > If you wanna fly right handed you're jake! > > If you wanna fly left handed, fly (shock horror ! ) from the right seat ! > -- 8:12 AM -- 8:12 AM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:10 AM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? I found the "Y" stick very comfortable on my 701. I had foam grips on the "Y" (sold at motorcyle shops). Very comfortable to hold onto, and while in cruise, it was very comfortable to rest my hand/wrist in the bottom of th e "Y". =0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Southern Reflections =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday , March 5, 2007 10:36:38 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?=0A=0A=0AIs it un- comfortable?Tell me about it JoeN101HD=0A- ---- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Big Gee =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.c om =0ASent: Monday, March 05, 2007 10:00 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Y-s tick solution ! comfort ?=0A=0A=0AI'd hold off with the hack saw until afte r you see how comfortable the "Y" stick is.=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Southern Reflections =0ATo: zenith -list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 5, 2007 7:07:53 PM=0ASubject: Re: "Southern Reflections" =0A=0ASteve I've thinki ng about doing that for over 2 years ... I've got my hack =0Asaw out..... =0A---How about putting a twist throttle on the stick--,jost like on a bik e. =0AIt works ver well belive it or not..Joe N101HD Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "secatur" =0ATo: =0ASent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:37 AM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Y-stick s @bigpond.com>=0A>=0A> Cut the Y off !=0A>=0A> Put your Stick handle(like my nice Ray's with 1000 functions!) on the stub =0A> !=0A> More like a standa rd control stick ! And less in the way!=0A>=0A> If you wanna fly right hand ed you're jake!=0A>=0A> If you wanna fly left handed, fly (shock horror ! ) from the right seat !=0A>=0A> LOL !=0A> Steve=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Read thi s topic online here:=0A>=0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p= 98794#98794=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> =0Asp; - The Z enith-List Email Forum -=0A_r?Zenith-List" - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORU MS = --> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFinding fabulous fares is fun.=0ALet Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargai ns. =0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http:/ /www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com =====0A=0A=0A =0A__________________________________________________ __________________________________=0AAny questions? Get answers on any topi c at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:55 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? I am with Mark on this... When I first got my 801 kit I looked at the Y stick and assumed I would not like that at all.. After 160+ hours I woul d NOT want anything else. Just take the Y, add a Ray Allen top and enjoy ,,, YMMV do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "ZodieRocket" wrote: IS it uncomfortable? Yes it is , the Y stick is designed to fall into the natural position of your arm and hand. If you take the Y porti on off you will find that your right shoulder and wrist will be fatigued a lot faster. But, to each their own, my suggestion would be to leave i t alone until you have several hours of flight time in your plane. As fo r the motorcycle throttle, great thought up front but I see issues with disturbed winds and I see potential dangerous situations on gusting cros s wind landings. I will not tell anyone what to do but I do suggest you really think things out. IF you are considering hacking off the Y then c onsider dual sticks. What does the Y stick offer, it offers the ergonomic comfort that allows for long distance flights without muscle strain. It allows for the pass enger to gain flight experience with holding on to the other side of the stick. It make for a more social flying experience. It allows for you t o rest your wrist into the bottom of the Y on long flights. It allows fo r you to have your elbow planted on a arm rest and your hand fall natura lly into neutral flight position. In short the Y configuration has advantages to it that are seldom consid ered. Ask someone who has had a Zenith Aircraft a long time they still h ave the Y stick installed. The decision is ultimately yours to make, but because it is not what you used before is not a good enough excuse to hack it off. Give it a try f or a few hours first, then hack it off if you so desire. I doubt you wou ld. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- Is it un- comfortable?Tell me about it JoeN101HD ----- Original Message ----- I'd hold off with the hack saw until after you see how comfortable the " Y" stick is. ----- Original Message ---- Steve I've thinking about doing that for over 2 years ... I've got my hack saw out..... ---How about putting a twist throttle on the stick--,jost like on a bik e. It works ver well belive it or not..Joe N101HD Original Message ----- > > Cut the Y off ! > > Put your Stick handle(like my nice Ray's with 1000 functions!) on the stub > ! > More like a standard control stick ! And less in the way! > > If you wanna fly right handed you're jake! > > If you wanna fly left handed, fly (shock horror ! ) from the right sea t ! > -- 8:12 AM -- 8:12 AM ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ========================

I am with Mark on this... When I first got my 801 kit I looked at the Y stick and assumed I would not like that at all.. After 160+ hours I would NOT want anything else. Just take the Y, add a Ray Allen top and enjoy,,,  YMMV

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Ben Haas
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www.haa spowerair.com

-- "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca& gt; wrote:

IS it uncomfortab le? Yes it is , the Y stick is designed to fa ll into the natural position of your arm and hand. If you take the Y portion off you will find that your right should er and wrist will be fatigued a lot faster. But, to each their own, my suggestion would be to leave it alone until yo u have several hours of flight time in your plane. As for the motorcycle throttle, great thought up front but I see issues with disturbed winds and I see potential dangerous situations on gusting cross wind landings. I will not tell anyone what to do but I do suggest you really think thi ngs out. IF you are considering hacking off the Y then consider dual sti cks.

 

What does the Y s tick offer, it offers the ergonomic comfort that allows for long distanc e flights without muscle strain. It allows for the passenger to gain flight experience with holding on to the other s ide of the stick. It make for a more social f lying experience. It allows for you to rest y our wrist into the bottom of the Y on long flights. It allows for you to have your elbow planted on a arm rest and yo ur hand fall naturally into neutral flight position.

 

In short the Y configuration has advantages to it that are sel dom considered. Ask someone who has had a Zenith Aircraft a long time th ey still have the Y stick installed.

 

The decision is u ltimately yours to make, but because it is not what you used before is n ot a good enough excuse to hack it off. Give it a try for a few hours first, then hack it off if you so desire. I doubt you would.

 

Mark T ownsend  Alma, Ontario

Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started

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Is it un- comf ortable?Tell me about it      JoeN101HD< /FONT>

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I'd hold off with the hack saw until after you see how comfo rtable the "Y" stick is.

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 Steve I've thinki ng about doing that for over 2 years  ... I've got my &nb sp;hack
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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:36 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? From: "DaveG601XL" For those of you who have chimed in about having flown the Y-stick for quite a while, please answer my current worry about putting a y-stick in my XL: For right-handers, how do you handle right-handed tasks like writing down AITS info, tuning radios or handling anything on the right side of the instrument panel? Especially if you are in a maneuvering sequence or in choppy conditions that do not allow hands-off flying? I am planning on the Y-stick but will have these quandaries until I can experience and work through them myself. Thanks, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail and wings completed, starting fueslage. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99049#99049 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:20 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Electric flap option From: "txpilot" Does anyone know of a dealer that offers electric flaps for a 701? I've been in contact with Skyshop and they're a little reluctant to sell the electric flap system. Also, is there anyone who has the 'standard' flap control handle in the ZAC plans who can comment on the design? I've seen a couple builders design their own system which leads me to believe the standard ZAC design is difficult to operate. Any comments would be appreciated! Thanks, Dan Ginty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99051#99051 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:43 AM PST US From: "Dirk Slabbert" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Electric flap option Dan, I did some mods, 2 sticks and a different throttle, flaperon system, contact me off line I will send some pics if you want. All the best, Dirk Piketberg SA 701 on long final ----- Original Message ----- From: "txpilot" Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 5:52 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Electric flap option > > Does anyone know of a dealer that offers electric flaps for a 701? I've > been in contact with Skyshop and they're a little reluctant to sell the > electric flap system. > > Also, is there anyone who has the 'standard' flap control handle in the > ZAC plans who can comment on the design? I've seen a couple builders > design their own system which leads me to believe the standard ZAC design > is difficult to operate. > > Any comments would be appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Dan Ginty > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99051#99051 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:19 AM PST US From: Keystone Engineering LLC Subject: Zenith-List: Maximum cross wind for 801 I live in a place where we don't get crosswinds or when we do they are blowing they are 20 gusting to 30 off the 6000' mountain and the commuters aren't even flying. What have other 801 flyers found to be the maximum crosswind they can land in. Do you use any special technique? Thanks Bill Wilcox N801BW 280 hrs Valdez, Alaska Installing wing strut fairings, Just finished fixing second gas tank leak ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:53 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? Dave go to www.homebuilthelp.com and pick up the panel DVD. It will show you all considerations taken into account on building your panel with a center stick. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? For those of you who have chimed in about having flown the Y-stick for quite a while, please answer my current worry about putting a y-stick in my XL: For right-handers, how do you handle right-handed tasks like writing down AITS info, tuning radios or handling anything on the right side of the instrument panel? Especially if you are in a maneuvering sequence or in choppy conditions that do not allow hands-off flying? I am planning on the Y-stick but will have these quandaries until I can experience and work through them myself. Thanks, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail and wings completed, starting fueslage. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99049#99049 -- 9:41 AM -- 9:41 AM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:10 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? It's not too hard to use the opposite hand on the Y stick for a short time to adjust radios and such. Very little effort is required for pitch control, roll requires a little bit more force but not very much deflection and the rudder can easily be used to lift a wing as well. If you can find anyone near you who has a Zodiac, I would recommend taking a test flight to see just hoe easy the plane is to fly. On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:23 AM, DaveG601XL wrote:recommend > > > For those of you who have chimed in about having flown the Y-stick > for quite a while, please answer my current worry about putting a y- > stick in my XL: For right-handers, how do you handle right-handed > tasks like writing down AITS info, tuning radios or handling > anything on the right side of the instrument panel? Especially if > you are in a maneuvering sequence or in choppy conditions that do > not allow hands-off flying? > > I am planning on the Y-stick but will have these quandaries until I > can experience and work through them myself. > > Thanks, > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:35 AM PST US From: Mark Sherman Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Electric flap option Dan. Here is a link to a supply company that has linear actuators that will work great for electric flaps. They also have a control unit that allows preset stops. Mark S. 701/912ULS ----- Original Message ---- From: txpilot Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 7:52:54 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Electric flap option Does anyone know of a dealer that offers electric flaps for a 701? I've been in contact with Skyshop and they're a little reluctant to sell the electric flap system. Also, is there anyone who has the 'standard' flap control handle in the ZAC plans who can comment on the design? I've seen a couple builders design their own system which leads me to believe the standard ZAC design is difficult to operate. Any comments would be appreciated! Thanks, Dan Ginty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99051#99051 Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:37 AM PST US From: Mark Sherman Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Electric flap option Dan. Not much help if I don't post the link. DUH http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 07030610570806&item=5-1577-4&catname=electric Mark S. ----- Original Message ---- From: txpilot Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 7:52:54 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Electric flap option Does anyone know of a dealer that offers electric flaps for a 701? I've been in contact with Skyshop and they're a little reluctant to sell the electric flap system. Also, is there anyone who has the 'standard' flap control handle in the ZAC plans who can comment on the design? I've seen a couple builders design their own system which leads me to believe the standard ZAC design is difficult to operate. Any comments would be appreciated! Thanks, Dan Ginty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99051#99051 Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:56 AM PST US From: Phil Maxson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: landing light This is why this list has its limitations. People speculate. Too much tim e to think. I mean no disrespect to you, Ron. But I read through emails f or people who say things like, "I did this", and "I know first hand." So here's what I know first hand: I heated my Plexiglas lens in the very sa me oven we use to feed our family -- GASP -- with no ill effects. Not a smell, no one came down with cancer in the inte rvening years. The temps are so low there is no problem. The Thanksgiving Turkey even tasted good :-)Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: landing light> From: rlendon@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:22:33 -0800> To: zenith-list@matronics.com> > --> Zenit h-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" > > I wouldn't recommend heating plastic in a oven you plan on using to prepare food in. J ust not a good idea.> > Fitting is just part of the process of making it ri ght.> > --------> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI> Corvair Zodiac XL, Scra pBuilder ;-)> http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? From: japhillipsga@aol.com David, I have the dual sticks in my XL and the ability to fly left handed is extremely valuable. Fly for three really bumpy hours, reach over to adjust the air vent, pull the carb heat, pull the cabin heat knob, push in a buss breakers, change fuel tanks, flip through freqs on the radio, punch in data in the GPS, refold a chart map, unlatch and use the fire extingisher, pick your right nose hole, etc. are just a few examples of center yoke can't do's. I flew Saturday and experienced a numb right hand after about an hour. I'm building an RV-8 and had banged a couple hundred rivets over the previous few days and the impact caused the right hand some problems. Without the ability to changes hands, getting back down might have been a real problem. I've flow an HD, HDS and XL with center yokes and the dual sticks have it all over them for comfort and utility. If you have not flown a dual stick XL your welcome to come fly mine. FWIW, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: zodierocket@hsfx.ca Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? Dave go to www.homebuilthelp.com and pick up the panel DVD. It will show you all considerations taken into account on building your panel with a center stick. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? For those of you who have chimed in about having flown the Y-stick for quite a while, please answer my current worry about putting a y-stick in my XL: For right-handers, how do you handle right-handed tasks like writing down AITS info, tuning radios or handling anything on the right side of the instrument panel? Especially if you are in a maneuvering sequence or in choppy conditions that do not allow hands-off flying? I am planning on the Y-stick but will have these quandaries until I can experience and work through them myself. Thanks, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail and wings completed, starting fueslage. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99049#99049 -- 9:41 AM -- 9:41 AM ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:34 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Standard L-angles Hi Paul, I spoke by phone with Shirley at Zenith this very morning..... she's pretty good about returning calls and not letting issues just hang there waiting. The angles in question are the ones bent out of .020 6061-T6 as I explained in the original post. I mentioned also that the reason I would have preferred to get them from Zenith is that the bend radius (they are not extruded pieces) would conform to their specs. Shirley informed me that they are indeed OVER $7 each. As I stated, my cost through AS is 1.67 each. I'm certain that Zenith gets better prices than I do which means that the labor and profit comprise about $6 per four foot piece. I asked Shirley to cancel the order and I will make up as many angles as I need on my own. In this case, I'm going to take an exemption from the stupid tax. It is a simple issue, Zenith has the right to charge whatever they want and I have the responsibility to deal with that. Ed ---- Paul Mulwitz wrote: > Hi Ed, > > It sounds like you are ahead of me again. I am working on the rear top skin. > > I am a little confused about the angle you mentioned. Is the one you > got extruded or bent? The extruded ones they include in the kit are > a special size that are not available normally in the USA. I think > Zenair has them extruded as a special order with a $1000 minimum or > some such thing. That is why they are more expensive than the kind > that are made in high volume for distribution to many outlets. > > If it is a bent piece, then the labor is probably more than the cost > of the aluminum. > > Best regards, > > Paul > XL fuselage > do not archive > > > At 06:50 PM 3/5/2007, you wrote: > >Has anyone on the list had to order some additional lightweight > >L-angles like the ones that are supplied with the kit? I just > >ordered some and the price came out to about $7 for a 4 foot piece > >of 20mm by 20mm angle .020" thick (6061-T6 bare) plus shipping. Can > >that be right? The cost of the aluminum is about $1.67each. Can > >there really be $5.33 of labor and profit in such a generic piece of > >stock that is kept on hand to be included in every Zenith kit? Had I > >suspected that the price was so high, I would have simply > >manufactured them myself at home. I expected maybe $3 per piece and > >felt that it would be worth having them bent to exactly the same > >radius as the pieces that came with the kit. I guess the stupid tax > >strikes again! > > > >Dred > >601XL/Jabiru/ middle top skin > > > >Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:50 AM PST US From: Phil Maxson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? My experience is the opposite. I've flown my center "Y" stick for about 80 hours now, with two very long days in there. I was able to change frequen cies, read charts, write down notes and even pick my nose, all with my righ t hand. In fact, when I did use my right hand for flying, i usually rested it on the armrest and gripped the stick down very low. Very comfortable. The funny thing is, I never really noticed which hand I was flying with. To me this is a non issue.Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey ! comfort ?Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:30:46 -0500From: japhillipsga@aol.com David, I have the dual sticks in my XL and the ability to fly left handed i s extremely valuable. Fly for three really bumpy hours, reach over to adjus t the air vent, pull the carb heat, pull the cabin heat knob, push in a bus s breakers, change fuel tanks, flip through freqs on the radio, punch in da ta in the GPS, refold a chart map, unlatch and use the fire extingisher, pi ck your right nose hole, etc. are just a few examples of center yoke can't do's. I flew Saturday and experienced a numb right hand after about an hour . I'm building an RV-8 and had banged a couple hundred rivets over the prev ious few days and the impact caused the right hand some problems. Without t he ability to changes hands, getting back down might have been a real probl em. I've flow an HD, HDS and XL with center yokes and the dual sticks have it all over them for comfort and utility. If you have not flown a dual stic k XL your welcome to come fly mine. FWIW, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message-----From: zodierocket@hsfx.caTo: zenith-list@matron ics.comSent: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:58 AMSubject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? Dave go to www.homebuilthelp.com and pick up the panel DVD. It will show you all considerations taken into account on building your panel with a center stick. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? For those of you who have chimed in about having flown the Y-stick for quite a while, please answer my current worry about putting a y-stick in my XL: For right-handers, how do you handle right-handed tasks like writing down AITS info, tuning radios or handling anything on the right side of the instrument panel? Especially if you are in a maneuvering sequence or in choppy conditions that do not allow hands-off flying? I am planning on the Y-stick but will have these quandaries until I can experience and work through them myself. Thanks, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail and wings completed, starting fueslage. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99049#99049 -- 9:41 AM -- 9:41 AM _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Space s. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends. aspx&mkt=en-us ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:40 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: Zenith-List: Transport Canada List Members this message is for Canadian Owners and flying planes. I have been asked to forward it to Zenith owners as it does affect them Mark do not archive -----Original Message----- TRANSPORT CANADA MARCH 1 ECATS MEETING I have just returned from a Transport Canada ECATS (Electronic Collection of Air Transportation Statistics) meeting in Ottawa, attended also by NavCanada, ATAC, Copa, and several other organizations. The purpose of the meeting was to inform us of Transports wish to collect much more data than they do now, and to find a means of doing this as painlessly as possible. They have already made their presentation to CBAA and it was well received there. They are now hoping to receive the same cooperation from the private flying community. Among the data that they would like to receive is the information already submitted in the AAIR, namely the hours flown. However they would also like to know the takeoff and landing points of each flight, the number of passengers on board, the maximum takeoff weight, the nature of the flight (revenue or non revenue?) and the departure and arrival times, and of course the registration of the plane. The justification for all of this is that Transport has little information on which to base the future of Canadian private aviation. They wish to know the economic impact of private aviation in order to be able to justify the use of airspace by our categories, and perhaps also the viability of the uncontrolled airspace airports that do not currently have a means of collecting data. For example a large fly-in might have a couple hundred planes, each using twenty gallons of fuel and a crew who consumes a few meals at the destination. If this took place at an uncontrolled airport, as it usually does, none of this economic activity is credited towards our use of the airspace. I explained that for the Amateur-Built community they might have a reasonable chance of gaining cooperation if they could be trusted not to misuse the information. It might also be necessary to offer a benefit in exchange for all the work of reporting, perhaps semi-annually, perhaps quarterly. However for the Ultralight community it would be almost impossible to gain cooperation because even logbooks are not required for the over 4000 Basic ULs currently on the TC registry. If they were asking the same of the boating community, they would likely get cooperation from the owners of large yachts, and some measure of cooperation from the owners of the runabouts. However the windsurfers would probably just keep windsurfing and ignore all requests. They could probably expect the same in the aviation community. I have agreed to ask all of you your opinions on this. If you wish to have your voice heard, please respond to ecats@raa.ca . During the coffee break I had a conversation with Kevin Psutka of Copa, and the rep from NavCanada. There will be a change to the airspace in the Toronto area on July 5th, and a circular layer of Class E airspace with a floor of 6500 ft will extend from YYZ for a 65 nm radius. I believe that originally the intention had been to have this airspace as Class C or D but Kevin Psutka was responsible for limiting it to Class E. For most of us this will be a non or limited issue, but we should be aware that NavCanada would also like to have much more control of the airspace, and for us to have Mode C transponders. The NavCanada rep was surprised to hear that many light aircraft do not even have a radio, let alone a Mode C transponder. It is a different world in Ottawa. If we do show by the ECATS system that we are a large part of aviation, we will have more clout in dealing with this. Gary Wolf President RAA -- 9:41 AM ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:45 AM PST US From: "Tom Faulkner" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Maximum cross wind for 801 Bill: I have landed in a 25 MPH cross wind which had about a 17 MPH 90 deg. component. I ran out of rudder just as it settled in and started to weathervane into the wind. I would not try anything stiffer than that unless you were landing on wet grass. Tom Faulkner 85 hrs. N801TP Berrien Springs,MI ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:26 PM PST US From: "Paul Tipton" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Taxes You mean the FAA will become the another IRS? Great! I'm sure they will be just as helpful and make things just as simple as the IRS does for all of us!!! ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:40 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Standard L-angles From: "ashontz" [quote="dredmoody(at)cox.net"]Has anyone on the list had to order some additional lightweight L-angles like the ones that are supplied with the kit? I just ordered some and the price came out to about $7 for a 4 foot piece of 20mm by 20mm angle .020" thick (6061-T6 bare) plus shipping. Can that be right? The cost of the aluminum is about $1.67each. Can there really be $5.33 of labor and profit in such a generic piece of stock that is kept on hand to be included in every Zenith kit? Had I suspected that the price was so high, I would have simply manufactured them myself at home. I expected maybe $3 per piece and felt that it would be worth having them bent to exactly the same radius as the pieces that came with the kit. I guess the stupid tax strikes again! Dred 601XL/Jabiru/ middle top skin No. That;s why I'm building from plans. You have to do a fair amount of work bulding from a kit anyway, doesn't take that much more to make the parts too, plus it's a lot cheaper and you learn a lot. May not be the best solution for everyone, but works great for me. Do Not Archive > [b] -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99103#99103 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:09 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Maximum cross wind for 801 When it gets that windy I don't fly. The real problem is keeping it from flying as you take it out of the hangar. I did return back to home fiel d during a frontal passage and the winds were 26, gusts to 35,and a 90 d egree crosswind. Jackson Hole's runway is 150' wide. I just landed cross ways and got it stopped about 30' past the centerline. Taxiing back to t he hangar was something I never want to do again. That's where the wreck will happen. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Keystone Engineering LLC wrote: I live in a place where we don't get crosswinds or when we do they are b lowing they are 20 gusting to 30 off the 6000' mountain and the commuter s aren't even flying. What have other 801 flyers found to be the maximu m crosswind they can land in. Do you use any special technique? Thanks Bill WilcoxN801BW280 hrsValdez, AlaskaInstalling wing strut fairings, J ust finished fixing second gas tank leak

When it gets that windy I don't fly. The real problem is keepin g it from flying as you take it out of the hangar. I did return back to home field during a frontal passage and the winds were 26, gusts to 35,a nd a 90 degree crosswind. Jackson Hole's runway is 150' wide. I jus t landed crossways and got it stopped about 30' past the centerline. Tax iing back to the hangar was something I never want to do again. That's w here the wreck will happen.

do not archive


Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair .com

-- Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone @gci.net> wrote:

I live in a place where we don't get cr osswinds or when we do they are blowing they are 20 gusting to 30 off th e 6000' mountain and the commuters aren't even flying.  What have o ther 801 flyers found to be the maximum crosswind they can land in.   Do you use any special technique?
 
Thanks
 
 
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
280 hrs
Valdez, Alaska
Installing wing strut fairings, Just fi nished fixing second gas tank leak
 
________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:35 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: landing light do not archive ...especially if you allow the oven to sit at its self-cleaning cycle for a little while afterwards... Phil Maxson wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } This is why this list has its limitations. People speculate. Too much time to think. I mean no disrespect to you, Ron. But I read through emails for people who say things like, "I did this", and "I know first hand." So here's what I know first hand: I heated my Plexiglas lens in the very same oven we use to feed our family -- GASP -- with no ill effects. Not a smell, no one came down with cancer in the intervening years. The temps are so low there is no problem. The Thanksgiving Turkey even tasted good :-) Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey --------------------------------- > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: landing light > From: rlendon@comcast.net > Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:22:33 -0800 > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > > I wouldn't recommend heating plastic in a oven you plan on using to prepare food in. Just not a good idea. > > Fitting is just part of the process of making it right. > > -------- > Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI > Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) > http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon --------------------------------- Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it! Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:07 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Standard L-angles Ed- I saw the Zenith price for L angles a while back and guard them like gold! Every little scrap is saved and used where I can. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Moody II To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Standard L-angles Has anyone on the list had to order some additional lightweight L-angles like the ones that are supplied with the kit? I just ordered some and the price came out to about $7 for a 4 foot piece of 20mm by 20mm angle .020" thick (6061-T6 bare) plus shipping. Can that be right? The cost of the aluminum is about $1.67each. Can there really be $5.33 of labor and profit in such a generic piece of stock that is kept on hand to be included in every Zenith kit? Had I suspected that the price was so high, I would have simply manufactured them myself at home. I expected maybe $3 per piece and felt that it would be worth having them bent to exactly the same radius as the pieces that came with the kit. I guess the stupid tax strikes again! Dred 601XL/Jabiru/ middle top skin Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Standard L-angles From: "ashontz" [quote="naumuk(at)alltel.net"]Ed- I saw the Zenith price for L angles a while back and guard them like gold! Every little scrap is saved and used where I can. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa > --- Just buy or make a small bending brake and you can have all the angles you want for cheap. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99111#99111 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:04 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Steps, revisited All- I'd have to have anyone with the old hand drawn prints verify this, but the new prints call for a fairing over the step tube that isn't evident in the earlier prints. This would reinforce the area, cut down on drag, and prevent the air from slapping on the cross-tube. Will combine the two procedures. Might take 8 guys pushing to get the project off the ground, but........... Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:29 PM PST US From: "Mack Kreizenbeck" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cockpit side panels Rick, Is corplast fire resistant? Mack ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:56 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: landing light From: "ashontz" [quote="planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co"]do not archive ...especially if you allow the oven to sit at its self-cleaning cycle for a little while afterwards... Phil Maxson wrote: [quote] P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } This is why this list has its limitations. People speculate. Too much time to think. I mean no disrespect to you, Ron. But I read through emails for people who say things like, "I did this", and "I know first hand." So here's what I know first hand: I heated my Plexiglas lens in the very same oven we use to feed our family -- GASP -- with no ill effects. Not a smell, no one came down with cancer in the intervening years. The temps are so low there is no problem. The Thanksgiving Turkey even tasted good :-) Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey > Subject: Re: landing light > From: rlendon@comcast.net > Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:22:33 -0800 > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > > I wouldn't recommend heating plastic in a oven you plan on using to prepare food in. Just not a good idea. > > Fitting is just part of the process of making it right. > > -------- > Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI > Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) > http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it! (http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us) 601XL/Corvair? 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick ( http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail&#news) in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ( http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail&#news) > [b] Worst case, take it to the local high school and ask if you can put it in the kiln. Even so, I don't see why it would be that hard to make a mini-oven using some flashing or aluminum sheet, sticking the part in there, and then toting the kerosene heater outside and plopping it on the top for a few minutes. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99128#99128 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:47 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? From: "ashontz" [quote="craig(at)craigandjean.com"]The curved landing gear could be composite: www.zenithair.com/zodiac/607/xl-eu7.jpg (http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/607/xl-eu7.jpg). -- Craig do not archive > [b] I was going to say, that's a definite. I'd have to think a fiberglass flap would be heavier. Aluminum is about as light as you can go. I know an aluminum boat and a fiberglass boat of the same size, the fiberglass one will be much heavier. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99130#99130 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:55 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Step L angles Bill, I asked Nick about this a while back. With the new style steps, the tubes interconnect under the middle of the fuselage and the extruded L's are eliminated. There is no longer any attachment in the middle. The difference is a short larger tube that allows the opposite tube to be captured in the middle. Jeff Davidson All- Have conflicting information. On the old hand-drawn plans for HD/HDSs, there are two L angles riveted to the bottom rear fuse skin that are in turn bolted to the center of the tube that goes spanwise between the steps. No additional internal bracing, just L angles riveted with A5s to the .016 bottom skin. Doesn't seen very sturdy. On the HD/HDS Cad drawings, there's no mention of the L angles at all! ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:32 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: side panels with ARM RESTS? From: "ashontz" [quote="zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca"]Robin, before you go ahead and make your armrests, sit in your UPHOLSTERED seat and read a very large book( I read Da-Vinci Code). You will find two answers, your seats are, or are not comfortable and secondly you will never use armrests, thirdly you have no way of peeing into a cup or bottle J. I understand your thought process, but it is spawned from not having spent time in the seat. Sorry Guys , I had to add the pee thinnggy again!!! Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 on wheels www.ch601.org (http://www.ch601.org) / www.ch701.com (http://www.ch701.com)/ www.Osprey2.com (http://www.Osprey2.com) From: 601zv@ritternet.com Subject: side panels with ARM RESTS? Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:00:45 -0600 Seems like sitting in a 601 is like sitting in an armchair with one arm missing. I'm wondering if anyone has designed flip-up armrests, or might know of a KISS/Lightweight hinge suitable for such application, with a "lock in the up position" feature? Robin in AR 601XL Zen-Vair, 601ZV reserved Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more! > ? - The Zenith-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List) ? - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com (http://forums.matronics.com) -- 8:12 AM -- 8:12 AM > [b] I'm going to put a pop-up pisser in my plane that then empties to a tank that can then be evacuated through a small tube that extends behind the rudder. :) Maybe I'll just make my seats out of two toilet seats, that way I don't ahve to worry about stopping to use the bathroom, and as a bonus I can use the toilet paper roll as an armrest. Now I just have to decide if I want padded seats, or the clear ones with pennies embedded in them. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99135#99135 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:18 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? From: "ashontz" zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca wrote: > IS it uncomfortable? Yes it is , the Y stick is designed to fall into the natural position of your arm and hand. If you take the Y portion off you will find that your right shoulder and wrist will be fatigued a lot faster. But, to each their own, my suggestion would be to leave it alone until you have several hours of flight time in your plane. As for the motorcycle throttle, great thought up front but I see issues with disturbed winds and I see potential dangerous situations on gusting cross wind landings. I will not tell anyone what to do but I do suggest you really think things out. IF you are considering hacking off the Y then consider dual sticks. > > What does the Y stick offer, it offers the ergonomic comfort that allows for long distance flights without muscle strain. It allows for the passenger to gain flight experience with holding on to the other side of the stick. It make for a more social flying experience. It allows for you to rest your wrist into the bottom of the Y on long flights. It allows for you to have your elbow planted on a arm rest and your hand fall naturally into neutral flight position. > > In short the Y configuration has advantages to it that are seldom considered. Ask someone who has had a Zenith Aircraft a long time they still have the Y stick installed. > > The decision is ultimately yours to make, but because it is not what you used before is not a good enough excuse to hack it off. Give it a try for a few hours first, then hack it off if you so desire. I doubt you would. > > Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario > Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started > www.ch601.org (http://www.ch601.org) / www.ch701.com (http://www.ch701.com)/ www.Osprey2.com (http://www.Osprey2.com) > > -- WWII English fighter planes had an oval ring on the end of the stick for comfort and so the pilot could get boths hands on their for pulling out of dives. But mostly it was for comfort. I think if you put your arm up on the rest and then put your arm out, relax it and hold it near the stick, you'll find the Y shape accommodates your grip better. Just thinking about a straight stick there makes the back of my shoulder ache. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99136#99136 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:59 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Maximum cross wind for 801 BILL, WHERE ARE YOUR TANKS LEAKING? DAVE IN SALEM ----- Original Message ----- From: n801bh@netzero.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Maximum cross wind for 801 When it gets that windy I don't fly. The real problem is keeping it from flying as you take it out of the hangar. I did return back to home field during a frontal passage and the winds were 26, gusts to 35,and a 90 degree crosswind. Jackson Hole's runway is 150' wide. I just landed crossways and got it stopped about 30' past the centerline. Taxiing back to the hangar was something I never want to do again. That's where the wreck will happen. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Keystone Engineering LLC wrote: I live in a place where we don't get crosswinds or when we do they are blowing they are 20 gusting to 30 off the 6000' mountain and the commuters aren't even flying. What have other 801 flyers found to be the maximum crosswind they can land in. Do you use any special technique? Thanks Bill Wilcox N801BW 280 hrs Valdez, Alaska Installing wing strut fairings, Just finished fixing second gas tank leak ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Step L angles From: "Gig Giacona" Actually they are about the same length. Only one flares at the end so the other can fit into it. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99138#99138 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:17 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? THANKS FOR ALL THE INPUT, HACK SAW GOING BACK IN THE TOOL BOX FOR A WHILE JOE n 101 HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "ashontz" Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? > > > zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca wrote: >> IS it uncomfortable? Yes it is , the Y stick is designed to fall into the >> natural position of your arm and hand. If you take the Y portion off you >> will find that your right shoulder and wrist will be fatigued a lot >> faster. But, to each their own, my suggestion would be to leave it alone >> until you have several hours of flight time in your plane. As for the >> motorcycle throttle, great thought up front but I see issues with >> disturbed winds and I see potential dangerous situations on gusting cross >> wind landings. I will not tell anyone what to do but I do suggest you >> really think things out. IF you are considering hacking off the Y then >> consider dual sticks. >> >> What does the Y stick offer, it offers the ergonomic comfort that allows >> for long distance flights without muscle strain. It allows for the >> passenger to gain flight experience with holding on to the other side of >> the stick. It make for a more social flying experience. It allows for you >> to rest your wrist into the bottom of the Y on long flights. It allows >> for you to have your elbow planted on a arm rest and your hand fall >> naturally into neutral flight position. >> >> In short the Y configuration has advantages to it that are seldom >> considered. Ask someone who has had a Zenith Aircraft a long time they >> still have the Y stick installed. >> >> The decision is ultimately yours to make, but because it is not what you >> used before is not a good enough excuse to hack it off. Give it a try for >> a few hours first, then hack it off if you so desire. I doubt you would. >> >> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario >> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started >> www.ch601.org (http://www.ch601.org) / www.ch701.com >> (http://www.ch701.com)/ www.Osprey2.com (http://www.Osprey2.com) >> >> -- > > > WWII English fighter planes had an oval ring on the end of the stick for > comfort and so the pilot could get boths hands on their for pulling out of > dives. But mostly it was for comfort. I think if you put your arm up on > the rest and then put your arm out, relax it and hold it near the stick, > you'll find the Y shape accommodates your grip better. Just thinking about > a straight stick there makes the back of my shoulder ache. > > -------- > Andy Shontz > CH601XL - Corvair > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99136#99136 > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:27 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? I got an e-mail from Nick this afternoon and he said that they expect to have the arched gear available by the summer (2007?)! [quote="craig(at)craigandjean.com"]The curved landing gear could be composite: www.zenithair.com/zodiac/607/xl-eu7.jpg (http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/607/xl-eu7.jpg). -- Craig do not archive > [b] I was going to say, that's a definite. I'd have to think a fiberglass flap would be heavier. Aluminum is about as light as you can go. I know an aluminum boat and a fiberglass boat of the same size, the fiberglass one will be much heavier. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99130#99130 Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:16 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Zenith-List: Standard "L" Here is a pic of bending standard "L" on the Tapco house siding brake, although the "L" in the picture is .016, bending .025" works out the same. When "scrapbuilding", "L" is nearly free! Randy L. Thwing, do not archive ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:50 PM PST US From: "Steve Hulland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Transport Canada Gary Wolf, (Via Zodie Rocket) Thank you for adding one more nail that can be used to shut the USA FAA User Fee and Control (read power) issue. Canada gets less and less freedom to fly because of the reporting, excessive control and excessive fees to fly a small private. There is and never will be any good reason for the government to have more control and collect more money. Sure glad we are not like you guys when it comes to the freedom to fly. -- Semper Fi, Steven R. Hulland CH 600 Taildragger Amado, AZ This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure virus free email and attachments. ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:38 PM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Electric flap option Check my site. You will find both the electric flaps and dual sticks on a 701. Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "txpilot" Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Electric flap option > > Does anyone know of a dealer that offers electric flaps for a 701? I've > been in contact with Skyshop and they're a little reluctant to sell the > electric flap system. > > Also, is there anyone who has the 'standard' flap control handle in the > ZAC plans who can comment on the design? I've seen a couple builders > design their own system which leads me to believe the standard ZAC design > is difficult to operate. > > Any comments would be appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Dan Ginty > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99051#99051 > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:39 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: landing light From: "Ron Lendon" None taken Phil, I found a thermo plastic shop down the street and let them drape it to the form I made. I had an incident years back with a motorcycle chain, grease and an oven. I guess I'm a little oven shy after that one. I thought the nut plate idea was pretty good so tonight I made em up. The bottom ones won't be used because it looks like there won't be any clearance. The tops one should work fine though. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99189#99189 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.