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1. 05:35 AM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (ashontz)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 03/08/07 (caspainhower@aep.com)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 03/08/07 (David Downey)
4. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Robert Schoenberger)
5. 07:15 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: Firewall Primer Question (John M. Goodings)
6. 07:48 AM - New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested (TH-SR)
7. 07:53 AM - New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested (Beckman, Rick)
8. 07:57 AM - Re: New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested (Beckman, Rick)
9. 08:22 AM - Re: New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested (LarryMcFarland)
10. 08:31 AM - Alternate solution to "Y" center stick (Neitzel)
11. 09:20 AM - Re: 801 Prop (Larry Landucci)
12. 10:40 AM - Re: LRI pickup (Milburn Reed)
13. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (japhillipsga@aol.com)
14. 11:24 AM - Re: 801 Prop (Dave Ruddiman)
15. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Jaybannist@cs.com)
16. 12:52 PM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Tim Juhl)
17. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (John Bolding)
18. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Nancy)
19. 02:11 PM - Flap Controls on 601XL (wade jones)
20. 03:04 PM - Re: Flap Controls on 601XL (Paul Mulwitz)
21. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Bryan Martin)
22. 03:34 PM - Y stick (Bill Naumuk)
23. 05:40 PM - Re: Flap Controls on 601XL (Jaybannist@cs.com)
24. 10:41 PM - Re: Zenair Floats (hansriet)
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Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
> David, I have the dual sticks in my XL and the ability to fly left handed is
extremely valuable. Fly for three really bumpy hours, reach over to adjust the
air vent, pull the carb heat, pull the cabin heat knob, push in a buss breakers,
change fuel tanks, flip through freqs on the radio, punch in data in the GPS,
refold a chart map, unlatch and use the fire extingisher, pick your right
nose hole, etc. are just a few examples of center yoke can't do's. I flew Saturday
and experienced a numb right hand after about an hour. I'm building an RV-8
and had banged a couple hundred rivets over the previous few days and the impact
caused the right hand some problems. Without the ability to changes hands,
getting back down might have been a real problem. I've flow an HD, HDS and
XL with center yokes and the dual sticks have it all over them for comfort and
utility. If you have not flown a dual stick XL your welcome to come fly mine.
FWIW, Bill of Georgia
>
>
> --
Best argument of all for dual sticks. Plus, consider that the passenger may NEED
to reach some of the stuff that you designate for your left side pilots seat
left hand. Having everything critical at center panel is a must. Right hand capable
of being free stuff is critical too, especially for a righty. With the
center stick you are extremely limited in what and how easiliy you can do stuff
with that right hand with your left hand awkwardly crossed in front of your
chest holding the stick. Just look at any Cessna 152 panel, it's arranged s that
uber-critical stuff can be accessed by either pilot or passenger in the center.
The dual controls allow for much easier switching of hands when needed.
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 03/08/07 |
David,
I looked into using an RV canopy and building a slider but the taper
in front of and behind the seat brace makes it impractical. I installed the
modified canopy that Todd has on his website and picked up a couple inches
of headroom and shoulder room. It is almost a foot longer in the back and I
think it will improve the aerodynamics, it makes it look faster anyway. I
fabricated my own canopy mounting hardware but the footprint of the front
and sides are the same as stock so the ZAC hardware would work.
Craig Spainhower
N601XS, 601xl, 0-235 lyc, wiring in progress
Thanks for the suggestion Craig. I spoke with the folks at Todd's and they
only
blow canopies - no drawn or molded canopies. The primary reason I am
considering
a different canopy than the original is to get the reduction in useless
height
in the center and more useful volume at the sides.
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Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 03/08/07 |
Thank you for theresponse Craig.
I think the difference in the approach is exactly what I was referring to. The
tapers and locations of those tapers caused me to abandon the idea of a slide
right away. However, I like the Van's tip-up installation with the roll bar/ring
bulkhead and the fixed light aft of it. the completely different planform
tapers of the two planes may still make it impossible to adapt the RV canopy
as a tip up. We will see.
Your canopy does look much nicer than the stocker!
caspainhower@aep.com wrote:
David,
I looked into using an RV canopy and building a slider but the taper
in front of and behind the seat brace makes it impractical. I installed the
modified canopy that Todd has on his website and picked up a couple inches
of headroom and shoulder room. It is almost a foot longer in the back and I
think it will improve the aerodynamics, it makes it look faster anyway. I
fabricated my own canopy mounting hardware but the footprint of the front
and sides are the same as stock so the ZAC hardware would work.
Craig Spainhower
N601XS, 601xl, 0-235 lyc, wiring in progress
Thanks for the suggestion Craig. I spoke with the folks at Todd's and they
only
blow canopies - no drawn or molded canopies. The primary reason I am
considering
a different canopy than the original is to get the reduction in useless
height
in the center and more useful volume at the sides.
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Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
Has anyone ever considered a removable add-on extension to the Y yoke?
Something like this:
( | o / ---- ------ \ /
Left hand ---( | __/ \/
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It would seem that this would have the advantages of easy entry
(when removed) and the dual type yoke. Robert Schoenberger 701 60%
ashontz wrote:
>
>
> japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>> David, I have the dual sticks in my XL and the ability to fly left handed is
extremely valuable. Fly for three really bumpy hours, reach over to adjust the
air vent, pull the carb heat, pull the cabin heat knob, push in a buss breakers,
change fuel tanks, flip through freqs on the radio, punch in data in the
GPS, refold a chart map, unlatch and use the fire extingisher, pick your right
nose hole, etc. are just a few examples of center yoke can't do's. I flew Saturday
and experienced a numb right hand after about an hour. I'm building an RV-8
and had banged a couple hundred rivets over the previous few days and the
impact caused the right hand some problems. Without the ability to changes hands,
getting back down might have been a real problem. I've flow an HD, HDS and
XL with center yokes and the dual sticks have it all over them for comfort and
utility. If you have not flown a dual stick XL your welcome to come fly mine.
FWIW, Bill of Georgia
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
> Best argument of all for dual sticks. Plus, consider that the passenger may NEED
to reach some of the stuff that you designate for your left side pilots seat
left hand. Having everything critical at center panel is a must. Right hand
capable of being free stuff is critical too, especially for a righty. With the
center stick you are extremely limited in what and how easiliy you can do stuff
with that right hand with your left hand awkwardly crossed in front of your
chest holding the stick. Just look at any Cessna 152 panel, it's arranged s
that uber-critical stuff can be accessed by either pilot or passenger in the center.
The dual controls allow for much easier switching of hands when needed.
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99609#99609
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Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Firewall Primer Question |
I am holding in my hand as I write this a spray/rattle can by Tremco with
the name Tremclad Galvanized Metal Primer on it. We used it on our 601
firewall 3.5 years ago. There is no sign of pealing. It was very easy to
spray, and did a nice job - mat white/pale grey colour. We did not put
any other coat of paint on top of it. We bought it in Toronto at Canadian
Tire.
John and Peter Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, 115 hours,
Toronto/Ottawa/Waterloo.
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Subject: | New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested |
There seems to be some renewed interest in LRI's, using the Dwyer 2-5002 gauge.
I've looked at the gauge faces shown on the CH601 and commercially available
"liftreserve" sites, and decided some new artwork was in order. The attached pdf
shows a scan of the original Drwyer face on the top, the two samples referenced
above in the middle, and my initial Adobe Illustrator creation on the bottom...
Your off-list comments are respectfully requested.
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CH701
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Subject: | New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested |
The attached pdf shows a scan
Sorry, Todd, no pdf was included. Please try again.
Rick
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Subject: | New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested |
The attached pdf shows a scan
Sorry about the last post. Big DUH on my part. I'll learn to
read one of these days, and bypass the filters.
Good Day!
Rick the
illiterate
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Subject: | Re: New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested |
Todd,
Your gage with black background and hard graduation lines is an easier
one to read, especially
as one that would be mixed with your focus going in and out of the
plane. I'd take the one on the
right side before the rest.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
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TH-SR wrote:
>
> There seems to be some renewed interest in LRI's, using the Dwyer 2-5002 gauge.
I've looked at the gauge faces shown on the CH601 and commercially available
"liftreserve" sites, and decided some new artwork was in order. The attached
pdf shows a scan of the original Drwyer face on the top, the two samples referenced
above in the middle, and my initial Adobe Illustrator creation on the bottom...
>
> Your off-list comments are respectfully requested.
>
> --------
> Todd
> CH701
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Subject: | Alternate solution to "Y" center stick |
Greetings all,
My Kolb came with a straight center stick that didn't appear to be too
pilot friendly. I modified the stick by putting a "rams horn"
attachment to the top. This allowed me to fly comfortably with my left
hand freeing my right hand for other duties. I am still building so can
not comment on useability of the Y stick but would not hesitate to make
a similar modification if I find it difficult to fly right handed and
cross over with my left to operate radios, etc.
Dick Neitzel
Sayner, WI
701 Jab 2200
N962WB
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Do you really want a lighter nose? Perhaps the only reason is if you
have an exceptionally heavy engine.
My 801 is equipped with an O-360 engine (a little over 300 lbs with
accessories) and my empty CG is still a little further back than I
would like.
The problem with this is that sometimes, depending on wt
distribution, I reach the aft limit before I am at gross weight.
If I had to do it over again I would place the battery on the
firewall rather than under the passenger seat, in order to move the
CG forward.
Larry Landucci -- N801LL
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Dan:
I was considering making one, but will see what the cost estimate you
can come up with.
Mil
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Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
Lynn, Roger is correct that drilling the bracket holes now is an advantage. What
he may have failed to mention is that to put these brackets on the spar requires
that the wings be removed. This is because to get the nuts onto the ends
of the bolts has only one access and that is through the ends of the center spar
where the main spar goes in. Removing the wings, once complete and flying,
would be no easy task. FWIW, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: ding@tbscc.com
Sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
List,
For what it's worth, when I was at the Zenith factory for a 601
test drive, I discussed the stick options with Roger. He suggested I start
with the "Y" stick. If I thought there was any chance I would want to change
to dual sticks if the future, then drill the four required 3/16" holes in
the spar carry-through while building the plane. The logic is that it's
much easier to drill those holes then. Because of the tilt of the spar
relative to the cabin floor, the lower holes are especially difficult (but
not impossible) to drill after assembly.
Lynn
601 XL /
Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: "secatur" <appraise1@bigpond.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:11 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
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LARRY,
SEE HOW SMART I AM FOR ASKING THE PROP QUESTION BEFORE I MAKE A DUMB
MISTAKE, WHICH FOR ME USUALLY COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. I DON'T REALLY
KNOW WHAT AN ENGINE WEIGHS. I THOUGHT AROUND 400 LBS FOR SOME REASON.
I'M NOT EXACTLY UP ON THE WEIGHT AND BALANCE THING YET EITHER. THANKS
FOR THE REPLY. IT WAS JUST WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR. GOOD INFORMATION
WITHOUT STARTING A WAR OF THE WORDS.
DAVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Landucci
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Prop
Do you really want a lighter nose? Perhaps the only reason is if you
have an exceptionally heavy engine.
My 801 is equipped with an O-360 engine (a little over 300 lbs with
accessories) and my empty CG is still a little further back than I would
like.
The problem with this is that sometimes, depending on wt distribution,
I reach the aft limit before I am at gross weight.
If I had to do it over again I would place the battery on the firewall
rather than under the passenger seat, in order to move the CG forward.
Larry Landucci -- N801LL
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Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
And it is really best to have the center section out of the airplane altogether.
That way, the lower of the nuts can be accessed through the open bottom of
the center section. The top ones still must be held, with a "gadget" wrench through
the open end of the center section. So, if there is a possibility that
you will be going to dual sticks, I strongly suggest fabbing and attaching the
brackets before the center section is riveted to the fuselage. They won't be
in the way if you decide on a center Y stick.
Jay in Dallas
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japhillipsga@aol.com wrote:
>Lynn, Roger is correct that drilling the bracket holes now is an advantage. What
he may have failed to mention is that to put these brackets on the spar requires
that the wings be removed. This is because to get the nuts onto the ends
of the bolts has only one access and that is through the ends of the center spar
where the main spar goes in. Removing the wings, once complete and flying,
would be no easy task. FWIW, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ding@tbscc.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 9:55 PM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
>
>
>
>List,
> For what it's worth, when I was at the Zenith factory for a 601
>test drive, I discussed the stick options with Roger. He suggested I start
>with the "Y" stick. If I thought there was any chance I would want to change
>to dual sticks if the future, then drill the four required 3/16" holes in
>the spar carry-through while building the plane. The logic is that it's
>much easier to drill those holes then. Because of the tilt of the spar
>relative to the cabin floor, the lower holes are especially difficult (but
>not impossible) to drill after assembly.
> Lynn
> 601 XL /
>Corvair
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "secatur" <appraise1@bigpond.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:11 AM
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
>
>
>>
>> I LUUUV Posting something that attracts a lot of divergent opinions!!!!
>GO4IT u guys!LOL
>>
>> I CUT IT OFF!!!! and I LUV IT!!!(but I saved it just in case!!! LOL)
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Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
In my flying career there have been many instances where I needed to let go of
the controls or switch hands to do some task or another. In the case of the XL
I plan to leave the Y stick & install avionics and etc. favoring the left hand
(but reachable from the right seat in a pinch) and install a single axis autopilot.
I have flown some long trips with the center stick in my Champ and it
does become uncomfortable after awhile. You find yourself switching hands to
ease the ache in your shoulder.
When I had my 182 I found the autopilot to be a godsend when flying single pilot
IFR. Try changing charts or writing clearances when you are bumping along in
solid cloud.... Worked good for routine VFR tasks as well. With the XL you
can mount an engage/disengage button on top of the stick and let "Otto" help
you out. You can also put a remote button on the stick to let you flip-flop the
frequencies on many radios. Have approach and tower selected while you are
still some ways out...push the button when handed off.
In any case, do give some thought to CRM (cockpit resource managment) as well as
comfort in whatever design you decide to go with.
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
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Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
This was discussed the last time the center stick debate was in vogue 6
weeks ago or so.
I posted that Wittman used center sticks in all his 2 seat side by side
aircraft(Tailwind, Buttercup, O&O ect) and had an extension for the
pilot that extended left over the pilots right leg to center of the body
and then down 6" or so, easy to fit up to the "Y" and even make
removeable. Just like what you drew. Got it mocked up for my 701, gonna
work just fine.
All this almost 50 yrs ago.
Progress.
JB
From: Robert Schoenberger
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
<hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Has anyone ever considered a removable add-on extension to the Y yoke?
Something like this:
( | o / ---- ------ \ /
Left hand ---( | __/ \/
|
|
It would seem that this would have the advantages of easy entry
(when removed) and the dual type yoke. Robert Schoenberger 701 60%
ashontz wrote:
>
>
> japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>> David, I have the dual sticks in my XL and the ability to fly left
handed is extremely valuable. Fly for three really bumpy hours, reach
over to adjust the air vent, pull the carb heat, pull the cabin heat
knob, push in a buss breakers, change fuel tanks, flip through freqs on
the radio, punch in data in the GPS, refold a chart map, unlatch and use
the fire extingisher, pick your right nose hole, etc. are just a few
examples of center yoke can't do's. I flew Saturday and experienced a
numb right hand after about an hour. I'm building an RV-8 and had banged
a couple hundred rivets over the previous few days and the impact caused
the right hand some problems. Without the ability to changes hands,
getting back down might have been a real problem. I've flow an HD, HDS
and XL with center yokes and the dual sticks have it all over them for
comfort and utility. If you have not flown a dual stick XL your welcome
to come fly mine. FWIW, Bill of Georgia
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
> Best argument of all for dual sticks. Plus, consider that the
passenger may NEED to reach some of the stuff that you designate for
your left side pilots seat left hand. Having everything critical at
center panel is a must. Right hand capable of being free stuff is
critical too, especially for a righty. With the center stick you are
extremely limited in what and how easiliy you can do stuff with that
right hand with your left hand awkwardly crossed in front of your chest
holding the stick. Just look at any Cessna 152 panel, it's arranged s
that uber-critical stuff can be accessed by either pilot or passenger in
the center. The dual controls allow for much easier switching of hands
when needed.
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
Bill & Jay,
I had considered the "access to the nuts" issue, (that
really doesn't sound right) , but had not considered just mounting the
brackets for potential future use. Great Idea.
Lynn
Corry PA. 601XL /
Corvair
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----- Original Message -----
From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
>
> And it is really best to have the center section out of the airplane
altogether. That way, the lower of the nuts can be accessed through the
open bottom of the center section. The top ones still must be held, with a
"gadget" wrench through the open end of the center section. So, if there is
a possibility that you will be going to dual sticks, I strongly suggest
fabbing and attaching the brackets before the center section is riveted to
the fuselage. They won't be in the way if you decide on a center Y stick.
>
> Jay in Dallas
> Do not archive
>
>
> japhillipsga@aol.com wrote:
>
> >Lynn, Roger is correct that drilling the bracket holes now is an
advantage. What he may have failed to mention is that to put these brackets
on the spar requires that the wings be removed. This is because to get the
nuts onto the ends of the bolts has only one access and that is through the
ends of the center spar where the main spar goes in. Removing the wings,
once complete and flying, would be no easy task. FWIW, Best regards, Bill of
Georgia
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ding@tbscc.com
> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >Sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 9:55 PM
> >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
> >
> >
> >
> >List,
> > For what it's worth, when I was at the Zenith factory for a
601
> >test drive, I discussed the stick options with Roger. He suggested I
start
> >with the "Y" stick. If I thought there was any chance I would want to
change
> >to dual sticks if the future, then drill the four required 3/16" holes in
> >the spar carry-through while building the plane. The logic is that it's
> >much easier to drill those holes then. Because of the tilt of the spar
> >relative to the cabin floor, the lower holes are especially difficult
(but
> >not impossible) to drill after assembly.
> > Lynn
> > 601
XL /
> >Corvair
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "secatur" <appraise1@bigpond.com>
> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:11 AM
> >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I LUUUV Posting something that attracts a lot of divergent opinions!!!!
> >GO4IT u guys!LOL
> >>
> >> I CUT IT OFF!!!! and I LUV IT!!!(but I saved it just in case!!! LOL)
> >>
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Subject: | Flap Controls on 601XL |
Hello group ,I think I am going crazy . I cannot find a way to install
the 1" flap control tube with a 1 1/8" stop ring into the specified
1"hole in the fuselage .Please advise me of what I am missing in the
drawings. Thanks Wade
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Subject: | Re: Flap Controls on 601XL |
Hi Wade,
I made the skin hole bigger. I don't thing this will be a problem
since the wing root covers this area in flight.
I had a horrible time getting the linkage to work for the same torque
tube. If you have problems with the tube from the motor hitting the
large channel then let me know. I finally figured out how to fix
this problem. (It resulted in egg shaped holes in the skin for the
torque tube, but I still don't think this is a problem.)
Paul
XL fuselage
At 02:10 PM 3/9/2007, you wrote:
>Hello group ,I think I am going crazy . I cannot find a way to
>install the 1" flap control tube with a 1 1/8" stop ring into the
>specified 1"hole in the fuselage .Please advise me of what I am
>missing in the drawings. Thanks Wade
>
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Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
I flew my Zodiac to Sun'N'Fun from Michigan in 2004. I spent most of
the 12 hours in the air with my arm laying on the arm rest flying the
plane with my thumb and forefinger on the base of the stick. The only
discomfort I had was in my legs due to the limited space to stretch
out. Those comfor-foam seats are worth every penny I spent on them. I
remember one hour flights in Cessnas that were less comfortable than
four hours in my Zodiac.
An auto-pilot would be highly desirable for such long flights because
otherwise you do have to fly the plane all the time, especially on a
warm day over the mountains.
>
> In my flying career there have been many instances where I needed
> to let go of the controls or switch hands to do some task or
> another. In the case of the XL I plan to leave the Y stick &
> install avionics and etc. favoring the left hand (but reachable
> from the right seat in a pinch) and install a single axis
> autopilot. I have flown some long trips with the center stick in
> my Champ and it does become uncomfortable after awhile. You find
> yourself switching hands to ease the ache in your shoulder.
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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All-
Cripes, guys, you have to spend some time with any installation to
decide you don't like it. Second guess too far upstream and you'll never
get anything done.
Let's face it, we literally know every rivet in our projects. If you
had the balls to start a project, you know you'll have the balls (and
the expertise) to tear it apart in the future to make improvements. If
something's that big an inconvenience, you'll do it!
(To avoid being perjorative to our female builders, substitute
"ovaries" to maintain political correctness).
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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Subject: | Flap Controls on 601XL |
Wade,
Obviously you can't put a 1 1/8" thing thru a 1" hole. The hole in the side skin
must be at least 1 1/8", but it is OK if it is slightly larger. What is critical
is the 1" hole in the flap control rod bearings. These are installed from
the inside ends of both control tubes and determine the location, side to
side, and up and down, of the control tube assembly.
This whole flap actuator system was so confusing to me that I actually made myself
a step by step sequence of things to do, start to finish.
I have attached a pdf of that list, if you are interested.
Jay in Dallas
"wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com> wrote:
>Hello group ,I think I am going crazy . I cannot find a way to install the 1"
flap control tube with a 1 1/8" stop ring into the specified 1"hole in the fuselage
.Please advise me of what I am missing in the drawings. Thanks Wade
>
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Subject: | Re: Zenair Floats |
I'm also curious about that.
Their website isn't updated very often.
hans
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