---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/09/07: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:35 AM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (ashontz) 2. 05:36 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 03/08/07 (caspainhower@aep.com) 3. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 03/08/07 (David Downey) 4. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Robert Schoenberger) 5. 07:15 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: Firewall Primer Question (John M. Goodings) 6. 07:48 AM - New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested (TH-SR) 7. 07:53 AM - New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested (Beckman, Rick) 8. 07:57 AM - Re: New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested (Beckman, Rick) 9. 08:22 AM - Re: New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested (LarryMcFarland) 10. 08:31 AM - Alternate solution to "Y" center stick (Neitzel) 11. 09:20 AM - Re: 801 Prop (Larry Landucci) 12. 10:40 AM - Re: LRI pickup (Milburn Reed) 13. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (japhillipsga@aol.com) 14. 11:24 AM - Re: 801 Prop (Dave Ruddiman) 15. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Jaybannist@cs.com) 16. 12:52 PM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Tim Juhl) 17. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (John Bolding) 18. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Nancy) 19. 02:11 PM - Flap Controls on 601XL (wade jones) 20. 03:04 PM - Re: Flap Controls on 601XL (Paul Mulwitz) 21. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Bryan Martin) 22. 03:34 PM - Y stick (Bill Naumuk) 23. 05:40 PM - Re: Flap Controls on 601XL (Jaybannist@cs.com) 24. 10:41 PM - Re: Zenair Floats (hansriet) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:36 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? From: "ashontz" japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote: > David, I have the dual sticks in my XL and the ability to fly left handed is extremely valuable. Fly for three really bumpy hours, reach over to adjust the air vent, pull the carb heat, pull the cabin heat knob, push in a buss breakers, change fuel tanks, flip through freqs on the radio, punch in data in the GPS, refold a chart map, unlatch and use the fire extingisher, pick your right nose hole, etc. are just a few examples of center yoke can't do's. I flew Saturday and experienced a numb right hand after about an hour. I'm building an RV-8 and had banged a couple hundred rivets over the previous few days and the impact caused the right hand some problems. Without the ability to changes hands, getting back down might have been a real problem. I've flow an HD, HDS and XL with center yokes and the dual sticks have it all over them for comfort and utility. If you have not flown a dual stick XL your welcome to come fly mine. FWIW, Bill of Georgia > > > -- Best argument of all for dual sticks. Plus, consider that the passenger may NEED to reach some of the stuff that you designate for your left side pilots seat left hand. Having everything critical at center panel is a must. Right hand capable of being free stuff is critical too, especially for a righty. With the center stick you are extremely limited in what and how easiliy you can do stuff with that right hand with your left hand awkwardly crossed in front of your chest holding the stick. Just look at any Cessna 152 panel, it's arranged s that uber-critical stuff can be accessed by either pilot or passenger in the center. The dual controls allow for much easier switching of hands when needed. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99609#99609 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:52 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 03/08/07 From: caspainhower@aep.com David, I looked into using an RV canopy and building a slider but the taper in front of and behind the seat brace makes it impractical. I installed the modified canopy that Todd has on his website and picked up a couple inches of headroom and shoulder room. It is almost a foot longer in the back and I think it will improve the aerodynamics, it makes it look faster anyway. I fabricated my own canopy mounting hardware but the footprint of the front and sides are the same as stock so the ZAC hardware would work. Craig Spainhower N601XS, 601xl, 0-235 lyc, wiring in progress Thanks for the suggestion Craig. I spoke with the folks at Todd's and they only blow canopies - no drawn or molded canopies. The primary reason I am considering a different canopy than the original is to get the reduction in useless height in the center and more useful volume at the sides. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:05 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 03/08/07 Thank you for theresponse Craig. I think the difference in the approach is exactly what I was referring to. The tapers and locations of those tapers caused me to abandon the idea of a slide right away. However, I like the Van's tip-up installation with the roll bar/ring bulkhead and the fixed light aft of it. the completely different planform tapers of the two planes may still make it impossible to adapt the RV canopy as a tip up. We will see. Your canopy does look much nicer than the stocker! caspainhower@aep.com wrote: David, I looked into using an RV canopy and building a slider but the taper in front of and behind the seat brace makes it impractical. I installed the modified canopy that Todd has on his website and picked up a couple inches of headroom and shoulder room. It is almost a foot longer in the back and I think it will improve the aerodynamics, it makes it look faster anyway. I fabricated my own canopy mounting hardware but the footprint of the front and sides are the same as stock so the ZAC hardware would work. Craig Spainhower N601XS, 601xl, 0-235 lyc, wiring in progress Thanks for the suggestion Craig. I spoke with the folks at Todd's and they only blow canopies - no drawn or molded canopies. The primary reason I am considering a different canopy than the original is to get the reduction in useless height in the center and more useful volume at the sides. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:42 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? Has anyone ever considered a removable add-on extension to the Y yoke? Something like this: ( | o / ---- ------ \ / Left hand ---( | __/ \/ | | It would seem that this would have the advantages of easy entry (when removed) and the dual type yoke. Robert Schoenberger 701 60% ashontz wrote: > > > japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote: > >> David, I have the dual sticks in my XL and the ability to fly left handed is extremely valuable. Fly for three really bumpy hours, reach over to adjust the air vent, pull the carb heat, pull the cabin heat knob, push in a buss breakers, change fuel tanks, flip through freqs on the radio, punch in data in the GPS, refold a chart map, unlatch and use the fire extingisher, pick your right nose hole, etc. are just a few examples of center yoke can't do's. I flew Saturday and experienced a numb right hand after about an hour. I'm building an RV-8 and had banged a couple hundred rivets over the previous few days and the impact caused the right hand some problems. Without the ability to changes hands, getting back down might have been a real problem. I've flow an HD, HDS and XL with center yokes and the dual sticks have it all over them for comfort and utility. If you have not flown a dual stick XL your welcome to come fly mine. FWIW, Bill of Georgia >> >> >> -- >> > > > Best argument of all for dual sticks. Plus, consider that the passenger may NEED to reach some of the stuff that you designate for your left side pilots seat left hand. Having everything critical at center panel is a must. Right hand capable of being free stuff is critical too, especially for a righty. With the center stick you are extremely limited in what and how easiliy you can do stuff with that right hand with your left hand awkwardly crossed in front of your chest holding the stick. Just look at any Cessna 152 panel, it's arranged s that uber-critical stuff can be accessed by either pilot or passenger in the center. The dual controls allow for much easier switching of hands when needed. > > -------- > Andy Shontz > CH601XL - Corvair > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99609#99609 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:31 AM PST US From: "John M. Goodings" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Firewall Primer Question I am holding in my hand as I write this a spray/rattle can by Tremco with the name Tremclad Galvanized Metal Primer on it. We used it on our 601 firewall 3.5 years ago. There is no sign of pealing. It was very easy to spray, and did a nice job - mat white/pale grey colour. We did not put any other coat of paint on top of it. We bought it in Toronto at Canadian Tire. John and Peter Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, 115 hours, Toronto/Ottawa/Waterloo. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:27 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested From: "TH-SR" <701stol@gmail.com> There seems to be some renewed interest in LRI's, using the Dwyer 2-5002 gauge. I've looked at the gauge faces shown on the CH601 and commercially available "liftreserve" sites, and decided some new artwork was in order. The attached pdf shows a scan of the original Drwyer face on the top, the two samples referenced above in the middle, and my initial Adobe Illustrator creation on the bottom... Your off-list comments are respectfully requested. -------- Todd CH701 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99638#99638 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lri_gauge_face_samples_724.pdf ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:10 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested From: "Beckman, Rick" The attached pdf shows a scan Sorry, Todd, no pdf was included. Please try again. Rick ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:37 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested From: "Beckman, Rick" The attached pdf shows a scan Sorry about the last post. Big DUH on my part. I'll learn to read one of these days, and bypass the filters. Good Day! Rick the illiterate Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:34 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New LRI Gauge Face Art - Your Comments Are Requested Todd, Your gage with black background and hard graduation lines is an easier one to read, especially as one that would be mixed with your focus going in and out of the plane. I'd take the one on the right side before the rest. Larry McFarland - 601HDS do not archive TH-SR wrote: > > There seems to be some renewed interest in LRI's, using the Dwyer 2-5002 gauge. I've looked at the gauge faces shown on the CH601 and commercially available "liftreserve" sites, and decided some new artwork was in order. The attached pdf shows a scan of the original Drwyer face on the top, the two samples referenced above in the middle, and my initial Adobe Illustrator creation on the bottom... > > Your off-list comments are respectfully requested. > > -------- > Todd > CH701 > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:27 AM PST US From: "Neitzel" Subject: Zenith-List: Alternate solution to "Y" center stick Greetings all, My Kolb came with a straight center stick that didn't appear to be too pilot friendly. I modified the stick by putting a "rams horn" attachment to the top. This allowed me to fly comfortably with my left hand freeing my right hand for other duties. I am still building so can not comment on useability of the Y stick but would not hesitate to make a similar modification if I find it difficult to fly right handed and cross over with my left to operate radios, etc. Dick Neitzel Sayner, WI 701 Jab 2200 N962WB ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:21 AM PST US From: Larry Landucci Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Prop Do you really want a lighter nose? Perhaps the only reason is if you have an exceptionally heavy engine. My 801 is equipped with an O-360 engine (a little over 300 lbs with accessories) and my empty CG is still a little further back than I would like. The problem with this is that sometimes, depending on wt distribution, I reach the aft limit before I am at gross weight. If I had to do it over again I would place the battery on the firewall rather than under the passenger seat, in order to move the CG forward. Larry Landucci -- N801LL ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:37 AM PST US From: "Milburn Reed" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI pickup Dan: I was considering making one, but will see what the cost estimate you can come up with. Mil ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? From: japhillipsga@aol.com Lynn, Roger is correct that drilling the bracket holes now is an advantage. What he may have failed to mention is that to put these brackets on the spar requires that the wings be removed. This is because to get the nuts onto the ends of the bolts has only one access and that is through the ends of the center spar where the main spar goes in. Removing the wings, once complete and flying, would be no easy task. FWIW, Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: ding@tbscc.com Sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 9:55 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? List, For what it's worth, when I was at the Zenith factory for a 601 test drive, I discussed the stick options with Roger. He suggested I start with the "Y" stick. If I thought there was any chance I would want to change to dual sticks if the future, then drill the four required 3/16" holes in the spar carry-through while building the plane. The logic is that it's much easier to drill those holes then. Because of the tilt of the spar relative to the cabin floor, the lower holes are especially difficult (but not impossible) to drill after assembly. Lynn 601 XL / Corvair ----- Original Message ----- From: "secatur" Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:11 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? > > I LUUUV Posting something that attracts a lot of divergent opinions!!!! GO4IT u guys!LOL > > I CUT IT OFF!!!! and I LUV IT!!!(but I saved it just in case!!! LOL) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99412#99412 > > ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:43 AM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Prop LARRY, SEE HOW SMART I AM FOR ASKING THE PROP QUESTION BEFORE I MAKE A DUMB MISTAKE, WHICH FOR ME USUALLY COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT AN ENGINE WEIGHS. I THOUGHT AROUND 400 LBS FOR SOME REASON. I'M NOT EXACTLY UP ON THE WEIGHT AND BALANCE THING YET EITHER. THANKS FOR THE REPLY. IT WAS JUST WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR. GOOD INFORMATION WITHOUT STARTING A WAR OF THE WORDS. DAVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Landucci To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Prop Do you really want a lighter nose? Perhaps the only reason is if you have an exceptionally heavy engine. My 801 is equipped with an O-360 engine (a little over 300 lbs with accessories) and my empty CG is still a little further back than I would like. The problem with this is that sometimes, depending on wt distribution, I reach the aft limit before I am at gross weight. If I had to do it over again I would place the battery on the firewall rather than under the passenger seat, in order to move the CG forward. Larry Landucci -- N801LL ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:02 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? And it is really best to have the center section out of the airplane altogether. That way, the lower of the nuts can be accessed through the open bottom of the center section. The top ones still must be held, with a "gadget" wrench through the open end of the center section. So, if there is a possibility that you will be going to dual sticks, I strongly suggest fabbing and attaching the brackets before the center section is riveted to the fuselage. They won't be in the way if you decide on a center Y stick. Jay in Dallas Do not archive japhillipsga@aol.com wrote: >Lynn, Roger is correct that drilling the bracket holes now is an advantage. What he may have failed to mention is that to put these brackets on the spar requires that the wings be removed. This is because to get the nuts onto the ends of the bolts has only one access and that is through the ends of the center spar where the main spar goes in. Removing the wings, once complete and flying, would be no easy task. FWIW, Best regards, Bill of Georgia > >-----Original Message----- >From: ding@tbscc.com >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 9:55 PM >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? > > > >List, > For what it's worth, when I was at the Zenith factory for a 601 >test drive, I discussed the stick options with Roger. He suggested I start >with the "Y" stick. If I thought there was any chance I would want to change >to dual sticks if the future, then drill the four required 3/16" holes in >the spar carry-through while building the plane. The logic is that it's >much easier to drill those holes then. Because of the tilt of the spar >relative to the cabin floor, the lower holes are especially difficult (but >not impossible) to drill after assembly. > Lynn > 601 XL / >Corvair >----- Original Message ----- >From: "secatur" >To: >Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:11 AM >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? > > >> >> I LUUUV Posting something that attracts a lot of divergent opinions!!!! >GO4IT u guys!LOL >> >> I CUT IT OFF!!!! and I LUV IT!!!(but I saved it just in case!!! LOL) >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99412#99412 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >________________________________________________________________________ >AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? From: "Tim Juhl" In my flying career there have been many instances where I needed to let go of the controls or switch hands to do some task or another. In the case of the XL I plan to leave the Y stick & install avionics and etc. favoring the left hand (but reachable from the right seat in a pinch) and install a single axis autopilot. I have flown some long trips with the center stick in my Champ and it does become uncomfortable after awhile. You find yourself switching hands to ease the ache in your shoulder. When I had my 182 I found the autopilot to be a godsend when flying single pilot IFR. Try changing charts or writing clearances when you are bumping along in solid cloud.... Worked good for routine VFR tasks as well. With the XL you can mount an engage/disengage button on top of the stick and let "Otto" help you out. You can also put a remote button on the stick to let you flip-flop the frequencies on many radios. Have approach and tower selected while you are still some ways out...push the button when handed off. In any case, do give some thought to CRM (cockpit resource managment) as well as comfort in whatever design you decide to go with. Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99693#99693 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:08 PM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? This was discussed the last time the center stick debate was in vogue 6 weeks ago or so. I posted that Wittman used center sticks in all his 2 seat side by side aircraft(Tailwind, Buttercup, O&O ect) and had an extension for the pilot that extended left over the pilots right leg to center of the body and then down 6" or so, easy to fit up to the "Y" and even make removeable. Just like what you drew. Got it mocked up for my 701, gonna work just fine. All this almost 50 yrs ago. Progress. JB From: Robert Schoenberger To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? Has anyone ever considered a removable add-on extension to the Y yoke? Something like this: ( | o / ---- ------ \ / Left hand ---( | __/ \/ | | It would seem that this would have the advantages of easy entry (when removed) and the dual type yoke. Robert Schoenberger 701 60% ashontz wrote: > > > japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote: > >> David, I have the dual sticks in my XL and the ability to fly left handed is extremely valuable. Fly for three really bumpy hours, reach over to adjust the air vent, pull the carb heat, pull the cabin heat knob, push in a buss breakers, change fuel tanks, flip through freqs on the radio, punch in data in the GPS, refold a chart map, unlatch and use the fire extingisher, pick your right nose hole, etc. are just a few examples of center yoke can't do's. I flew Saturday and experienced a numb right hand after about an hour. I'm building an RV-8 and had banged a couple hundred rivets over the previous few days and the impact caused the right hand some problems. Without the ability to changes hands, getting back down might have been a real problem. I've flow an HD, HDS and XL with center yokes and the dual sticks have it all over them for comfort and utility. If you have not flown a dual stick XL your welcome to come fly mine. FWIW, Bill of Georgia >> >> >> -- >> > > > Best argument of all for dual sticks. Plus, consider that the passenger may NEED to reach some of the stuff that you designate for your left side pilots seat left hand. Having everything critical at center panel is a must. Right hand capable of being free stuff is critical too, especially for a righty. With the center stick you are extremely limited in what and how easiliy you can do stuff with that right hand with your left hand awkwardly crossed in front of your chest holding the stick. Just look at any Cessna 152 panel, it's arranged s that uber-critical stuff can be accessed by either pilot or passenger in the center. The dual controls allow for much easier switching of hands when needed. > > -------- > Andy Shontz > CH601XL - Corvair > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99609#99609 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:07 PM PST US From: "Nancy" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? Bill & Jay, I had considered the "access to the nuts" issue, (that really doesn't sound right) , but had not considered just mounting the brackets for potential future use. Great Idea. Lynn Corry PA. 601XL / Corvair do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? > > And it is really best to have the center section out of the airplane altogether. That way, the lower of the nuts can be accessed through the open bottom of the center section. The top ones still must be held, with a "gadget" wrench through the open end of the center section. So, if there is a possibility that you will be going to dual sticks, I strongly suggest fabbing and attaching the brackets before the center section is riveted to the fuselage. They won't be in the way if you decide on a center Y stick. > > Jay in Dallas > Do not archive > > > japhillipsga@aol.com wrote: > > >Lynn, Roger is correct that drilling the bracket holes now is an advantage. What he may have failed to mention is that to put these brackets on the spar requires that the wings be removed. This is because to get the nuts onto the ends of the bolts has only one access and that is through the ends of the center spar where the main spar goes in. Removing the wings, once complete and flying, would be no easy task. FWIW, Best regards, Bill of Georgia > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: ding@tbscc.com > >To: zenith-list@matronics.com > >Sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 9:55 PM > >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? > > > > > > > >List, > > For what it's worth, when I was at the Zenith factory for a 601 > >test drive, I discussed the stick options with Roger. He suggested I start > >with the "Y" stick. If I thought there was any chance I would want to change > >to dual sticks if the future, then drill the four required 3/16" holes in > >the spar carry-through while building the plane. The logic is that it's > >much easier to drill those holes then. Because of the tilt of the spar > >relative to the cabin floor, the lower holes are especially difficult (but > >not impossible) to drill after assembly. > > Lynn > > 601 XL / > >Corvair > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "secatur" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:11 AM > >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? > > > > > >> > >> I LUUUV Posting something that attracts a lot of divergent opinions!!!! > >GO4IT u guys!LOL > >> > >> I CUT IT OFF!!!! and I LUV IT!!!(but I saved it just in case!!! LOL) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Read this topic online here: > >> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99412#99412 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:54 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Zenith-List: Flap Controls on 601XL Hello group ,I think I am going crazy . I cannot find a way to install the 1" flap control tube with a 1 1/8" stop ring into the specified 1"hole in the fuselage .Please advise me of what I am missing in the drawings. Thanks Wade ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:11 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap Controls on 601XL Hi Wade, I made the skin hole bigger. I don't thing this will be a problem since the wing root covers this area in flight. I had a horrible time getting the linkage to work for the same torque tube. If you have problems with the tube from the motor hitting the large channel then let me know. I finally figured out how to fix this problem. (It resulted in egg shaped holes in the skin for the torque tube, but I still don't think this is a problem.) Paul XL fuselage At 02:10 PM 3/9/2007, you wrote: >Hello group ,I think I am going crazy . I cannot find a way to >install the 1" flap control tube with a 1 1/8" stop ring into the >specified 1"hole in the fuselage .Please advise me of what I am >missing in the drawings. Thanks Wade > - ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:22 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? I flew my Zodiac to Sun'N'Fun from Michigan in 2004. I spent most of the 12 hours in the air with my arm laying on the arm rest flying the plane with my thumb and forefinger on the base of the stick. The only discomfort I had was in my legs due to the limited space to stretch out. Those comfor-foam seats are worth every penny I spent on them. I remember one hour flights in Cessnas that were less comfortable than four hours in my Zodiac. An auto-pilot would be highly desirable for such long flights because otherwise you do have to fly the plane all the time, especially on a warm day over the mountains. > > In my flying career there have been many instances where I needed > to let go of the controls or switch hands to do some task or > another. In the case of the XL I plan to leave the Y stick & > install avionics and etc. favoring the left hand (but reachable > from the right seat in a pinch) and install a single axis > autopilot. I have flown some long trips with the center stick in > my Champ and it does become uncomfortable after awhile. You find > yourself switching hands to ease the ache in your shoulder. > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:33 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Y stick All- Cripes, guys, you have to spend some time with any installation to decide you don't like it. Second guess too far upstream and you'll never get anything done. Let's face it, we literally know every rivet in our projects. If you had the balls to start a project, you know you'll have the balls (and the expertise) to tear it apart in the future to make improvements. If something's that big an inconvenience, you'll do it! (To avoid being perjorative to our female builders, substitute "ovaries" to maintain political correctness). do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:22 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flap Controls on 601XL Wade, Obviously you can't put a 1 1/8" thing thru a 1" hole. The hole in the side skin must be at least 1 1/8", but it is OK if it is slightly larger. What is critical is the 1" hole in the flap control rod bearings. These are installed from the inside ends of both control tubes and determine the location, side to side, and up and down, of the control tube assembly. This whole flap actuator system was so confusing to me that I actually made myself a step by step sequence of things to do, start to finish. I have attached a pdf of that list, if you are interested. Jay in Dallas "wade jones" wrote: >Hello group ,I think I am going crazy . I cannot find a way to install the 1" flap control tube with a 1 1/8" stop ring into the specified 1"hole in the fuselage .Please advise me of what I am missing in the drawings. Thanks Wade > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:53 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenair Floats From: "hansriet" I'm also curious about that. Their website isn't updated very often. hans Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99754#99754 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.