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1. 06:00 AM - Re: Zenair Floats (Ron Lendon)
2. 07:30 AM - Re: Zenair Floats (Tim Juhl)
3. 07:52 AM - Air speed indicator (Pat Spanaus)
4. 08:36 AM - Chuck in Kitplanes (Jon Croke)
5. 10:53 AM - Re: Chuck in Kitplanes (Pat Spanaus)
6. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: Zenair Floats (ZodieRocket)
7. 11:35 AM - Re: Air speed indicator (Craig Payne)
8. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Southern Reflections)
9. 11:40 AM - Re: Chuck in Kitplanes (Pat Spanaus)
10. 11:44 AM - Re: Air speed indicator (Pat Spanaus)
11. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: Zenair Floats (ZodieRocket)
12. 11:55 AM - Re: Kitplanes; articles in general (Zed Smith)
13. 12:38 PM - Re: Chuck in Kitplanes (Jon Croke)
14. 12:53 PM - Re: Chuck in Kitplanes (Craig Payne)
15. 02:06 PM - Re: Air speed indicator (Chuck Deiterich)
16. 02:06 PM - Re: Air speed indicator (Chuck Deiterich)
17. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Bryan Martin)
18. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Southern Reflections)
19. 04:19 PM - Re: Air speed indicator (Pat Spanaus)
20. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Pat Spanaus)
21. 08:51 PM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (David X)
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| Subject: | Re: Zenair Floats |
Tommy,
I took a look back in the archives and found this link which might answer your
question. NO PLANS, yet!
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Zenair Floats |
Why don't you just ask Mark and David? info@can-zacaviation.com
Both are very busy guys but have always responded to my pleas for info.
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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| Subject: | Air speed indicator |
Hi, Is there any where I can go to see a properly marked AIS for a 701,
flap speeds, manuverung speeds etc.. I'd like to mark mine but don't want to
do it wrong.
Also does any one have the dimensions for making your own foam-cor seats? I
met a couple at Eaa last year that gave me a drawing of this, and the even
sold the material. I can no longer locate this. I'd like to try an make my
own seats for cost reasons, this is also for a 701. Thx Pat. Hartland Wisc.
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| Subject: | Chuck in Kitplanes |
FYI..
Chuck Deiterich has just had a wonderful article publshed in Kitplanes
(April Page 34) regarding his 701 and the science of airspeed
indicators-- quite novel!
(I dont work for Kitplanes or Chuck... but find them both enlightening!)
Jon
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| Subject: | Chuck in Kitplanes |
Thk you very much, i might even have this . Thx much!
From: "Jon Croke" <Jon@joncroke.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Chuck in Kitplanes
FYI..
Chuck Deiterich has just had a wonderful article publshed in Kitplanes
(April Page 34) regarding his 701 and the science of airspeed indicators--
quite novel!
(I dont work for Kitplanes or Chuck... but find them both enlightening!)
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Zenair Floats |
List, Tommy had a personal reply from me within an hour of his posting
the question. As for the website, I add content on a weekly basis and
this week I added 5 new pages. Nevertheless, try to remember I am also
adding content to www.ch601.org and www.ch701.com and
www.zentihnorth.com . The float pages have not been updated much as I
have been knee deep in Aluminium and bucking rivets. As soon as I have
more I will add it to the website. Right now I'm getting everything
ready for Sun-N-Fun.
HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR THE BBQ YET !
Come on folks, Chris is retired and this may be the last social event he
attends. Let all get out and spend time with him. Sign up for a free
burger!
http://www.ch601.org/BBQ/bbq.htm
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Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lendon
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenair Floats
Tommy,
I took a look back in the archives and found this link which might
answer your question. NO PLANS, yet!
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Air speed indicator |
If you are just looking for the "V" numbers aren't they on the front of the
plans? They are for the 601XL.
The couple selling the foam and plans were probably Jim and Janice Fix at
Hi-Tech Foams: http://www.seatfoam.com/
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
where did you get seats..?? Joe N101HD
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From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
>
> I flew my Zodiac to Sun'N'Fun from Michigan in 2004. I spent most of the
> 12 hours in the air with my arm laying on the arm rest flying the plane
> with my thumb and forefinger on the base of the stick. The only
> discomfort I had was in my legs due to the limited space to stretch out.
> Those comfor-foam seats are worth every penny I spent on them. I remember
> one hour flights in Cessnas that were less comfortable than four hours in
> my Zodiac.
>
> An auto-pilot would be highly desirable for such long flights because
> otherwise you do have to fly the plane all the time, especially on a warm
> day over the mountains.
>
>>
>> In my flying career there have been many instances where I needed to let
>> go of the controls or switch hands to do some task or another. In the
>> case of the XL I plan to leave the Y stick & install avionics and etc.
>> favoring the left hand (but reachable from the right seat in a pinch)
>> and install a single axis autopilot. I have flown some long trips with
>> the center stick in my Champ and it does become uncomfortable after
>> awhile. You find yourself switching hands to ease the ache in your
>> shoulder.
>>
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Chuck in Kitplanes |
Hi Jon, Just went thru 3 years of experimenter mag. I don't have any kit
plane mags. Hoped maybe his article got to the experimenter as well. Any
suggestions about where to get a look at the kitplane? thx Again pat
From: "Jon Croke" <Jon@joncroke.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Chuck in Kitplanes
FYI..
Chuck Deiterich has just had a wonderful article publshed in Kitplanes
(April Page 34) regarding his 701 and the science of airspeed indicators--
quite novel!
(I dont work for Kitplanes or Chuck... but find them both enlightening!)
Jon
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| Subject: | Air speed indicator |
Hi Craig, yes they are for the 701 as well, But I do want to be sure where
to put each colored arc, where they start and end. Thx Pat
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air speed indicator
If you are just looking for the "V" numbers aren't they on the front of the
plans? They are for the 601XL.
The couple selling the foam and plans were probably Jim and Janice Fix at
Hi-Tech Foams: http://www.seatfoam.com/
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Zenair Floats |
Sorry Folks, I had a typr This goes right along with the two root canals
I have had this week. The proper link is www.zenithnorth.com
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ZodieRocket
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 2:20 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenair Floats
List, Tommy had a personal reply from me within an hour of his posting
the question. As for the website, I add content on a weekly basis and
this week I added 5 new pages. Nevertheless, try to remember I am also
adding content to www.ch601.org and www.ch701.com and
www.zentihnorth.com . The float pages have not been updated much as I
have been knee deep in Aluminium and bucking rivets. As soon as I have
more I will add it to the website. Right now I'm getting everything
ready for Sun-N-Fun.
HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR THE BBQ YET !
Come on folks, Chris is retired and this may be the last social event he
attends. Let all get out and spend time with him. Sign up for a free
burger!
http://www.ch601.org/BBQ/bbq.htm
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lendon
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenair Floats
Tommy,
I took a look back in the archives and found this link which might
answer your question. NO PLANS, yet!
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes; articles in general |
do not archive
This current issue of "Kitplanes" is the first in a looooong time that had something
for the average kitplane builder.
Chuck's piece is really good.
Likewise a couple of others.
Refreshing to find something not related to the Reno Air Races and mega-buck aircraft.
Wonder if that hit a nerve somewhere?
Regards to all doing their own building,
Zed
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| Subject: | Re: Chuck in Kitplanes |
Hi Pat,
Well, I'd scan the article and email but I am sure the copyright lawyers
would sue my butt!
I know Kitplanes has an electronic, web based version of their magazine, BUT
I understand it's a year subscription and quite pricey. Just a thought...
do not archive
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From: "Pat Spanaus" <jjvens@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Chuck in Kitplanes
>
> Hi Jon, Just went thru 3 years of experimenter mag. I don't have any kit
> plane mags. Hoped maybe his article got to the experimenter as well. Any
> suggestions about where to get a look at the kitplane? thx Again pat
>
>
> From: "Jon Croke" <Jon@joncroke.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Chuck in Kitplanes
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:34:21 -0600
>
>
> FYI..
>
> Chuck Deiterich has just had a wonderful article publshed in Kitplanes
> (April Page 34) regarding his 701 and the science of airspeed
> indicators--
> quite novel!
>
> (I dont work for Kitplanes or Chuck... but find them both enlightening!)
>
> Jon
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01
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>
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| Subject: | Chuck in Kitplanes |
The $50 electronic subscription also gives you full access to their
searchable archives. But it could still be considered over-priced given that
they don't have to print and mail you a paper edition.
www.kitplanes.com
A subscription to the printed version will cost you $30.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Air speed indicator |
Paul,
Here is a page out of my operating manual with the speeds and where to
mark the ASI.
Chuck D.
N701TX
Airspeed
Airspeed limitations and their operational significance are shown
below:
Speed IAS (MPH) Remarks
VNE Never exceed speed 108 Do not exceed this speed in
any operation
VNO Maximum structural 87 Do not exceed this speed
cruising speed except in smooth air and then
only with caution
VA Maneuvering speed 71 Do not make full or abrupt
control movement above this
speed, because under certain
condition the aircraft may be
overstressed by full control
movement
VFE Maximum Flap 60 Do not exceed this speed with
extended speed flaps extended.
Airspeed indicator markings:
Airspeed indicator markings and their color-code significance are
shown below:
Marking IAS value or range (MPH) Significance
white arc 31 - 60 Positive Flap Operating Range
Green arc 36 - 87 Normal Operating Range
Yellow arc 87 -108 Maneuvers must be
conducted with caution and
only in smooth air
Red line 108 Maximum speed for all operations
Powerplant:
Engine manufacturer.................... .
...............................Jabiru
Engine Model:.
............................................................ Jabiru 2200
Maximum Power, take-off .......................................... 80
HP
Maximum Power, continuous: .................................... .80 HP
Maximum Engine RPM, take-off.. ......................... 3300
Max continuous ................................ 3300
Maximum cylinder head temperature: . . . 392 deg F (200 deg C)
Maximum continuous cylinder head temp:. 356 deg F (180 deg C)
Minimum operational cylinder head temp..212 deg F (100 deg C)
Maximum oil temperature. . . . . . . . . .. . . 118 deg. C (244 deg F)
Max continuous oil temperature . ..80-100 deg C (176-212 deg F)
Minimum operational oil temperature. . . . . . . 15 deg C (59 deg F)
Minimum Oil Pressure. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . 80 kPa (11
psi)
Maximum Oil Pressure. . . . . . .. . . .. . ... . . 525 kPa (76 psi)
Oil Pressure normal range . . . ... . . 220 -525 kPa (31 -76 psi)
Fuel Pressure . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . . .. 5-20 kPa (.75 -3
psi)
Fuel grade.. Avgas 100 LL or Premium grade automotive gas,
Oil grade . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . Aero Oil W Multigrade 15W-50
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Spanaus" <jjvens@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air speed indicator
>
>
> Hi Craig, yes they are for the 701 as well, But I do want to be sure
where
> to put each colored arc, where they start and end. Thx Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Air speed indicator |
Pat sorry I called you Paul.
Chuck D.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
I bought the foam from Hi-Tech foams At Sun'N'Fun 2003 for $378.
http://www.seatfoam.com/
I carved the foam to shape myself and glued it together. I had a
local upholsterer sew the covers for me for about $200.
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> where did you get seats..?? Joe N101HD
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
Thanks Bryan, Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
>
> I bought the foam from Hi-Tech foams At Sun'N'Fun 2003 for $378.
> http://www.seatfoam.com/
> I carved the foam to shape myself and glued it together. I had a local
> upholsterer sew the covers for me for about $200.
>
>
>> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> where did you get seats..?? Joe N101HD
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air speed indicator |
Chuck, Wow, like thx, exactly what I was looking for on the color codes.
Espically helpful on the lower ends. Thx very much, Pat Wisc.
From: "Chuck Deiterich" <cffd@pgrb.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Air speed indicator
Paul,
Here is a page out of my operating manual with the speeds and where to mark
the ASI.
Chuck D.
N701TX
Airspeed
Airspeed limitations and their operational significance are shown
below:
Speed IAS (MPH) Remarks
VNE Never exceed speed 108 Do not exceed this speed in
any operation
VNO Maximum structural 87 Do not exceed this speed
cruising speed except in smooth air and then
only with caution
VA Maneuvering speed 71 Do not make full or abrupt
control movement above this
speed, because under certain
condition the aircraft may be
overstressed by full control
movement
VFE Maximum Flap 60 Do not exceed this speed with
extended speed flaps extended.
Airspeed indicator markings:
Airspeed indicator markings and their color-code significance are
shown below:
Marking IAS value or range (MPH) Significance
white arc 31 - 60 Positive Flap Operating Range
Green arc 36 - 87 Normal Operating Range
Yellow arc 87 -108 Maneuvers must be
conducted with caution and
only in smooth air
Red line 108 Maximum speed for all operations
Powerplant:
Engine manufacturer.................... .
...............................Jabiru
Engine Model:. ............................................................
Jabiru 2200
Maximum Power, take-off .......................................... 80 HP
Maximum Power, continuous: .................................... .80 HP
Maximum Engine RPM, take-off.. ......................... 3300
Max continuous ................................ 3300
Maximum cylinder head temperature: . . . 392 deg F (200 deg C)
Maximum continuous cylinder head temp:. 356 deg F (180 deg C)
Minimum operational cylinder head temp..212 deg F (100 deg C)
Maximum oil temperature. . . . . . . . . .. . . 118 deg. C (244 deg F)
Max continuous oil temperature . ..80-100 deg C (176-212 deg F)
Minimum operational oil temperature. . . . . . . 15 deg C (59 deg F)
Minimum Oil Pressure. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . 80 kPa (11 psi)
Maximum Oil Pressure. . . . . . .. . . .. . ... . . 525 kPa (76 psi)
Oil Pressure normal range . . . ... . . 220 -525 kPa (31 -76 psi)
Fuel Pressure . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . . .. 5-20 kPa (.75 -3 psi)
Fuel grade.. Avgas 100 LL or Premium grade automotive gas,
Oil grade . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . Aero Oil W Multigrade 15W-50
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Spanaus" <jjvens@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air speed indicator
>
>
> Hi Craig, yes they are for the 701 as well, But I do want to be sure
where
> to put each colored arc, where they start and end. Thx Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
Bryan, thx very much, think this is just what I saw @ EAA, Have to see if
I think I can make a set. Will keep your mail for future, thx A bunch! Pat
Wisc.
From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
I bought the foam from Hi-Tech foams At Sun'N'Fun 2003 for $378.
http://www.seatfoam.com/
I carved the foam to shape myself and glued it together. I had a local
upholsterer sew the covers for me for about $200.
><purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
>where did you get seats..?? Joe N101HD
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
bryanmmartin wrote:
> I bought the foam from Hi-Tech foams At Sun'N'Fun 2003 for $378. http://www.seatfoam.com/
> I carved the foam to shape myself and glued it together. I had a
> local upholsterer sew the covers for me for about $200.
Creapy. Kinda like making love to yourself :) LOL
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