---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/10/07: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:00 AM - Re: Zenair Floats (Ron Lendon) 2. 07:30 AM - Re: Zenair Floats (Tim Juhl) 3. 07:52 AM - Air speed indicator (Pat Spanaus) 4. 08:36 AM - Chuck in Kitplanes (Jon Croke) 5. 10:53 AM - Re: Chuck in Kitplanes (Pat Spanaus) 6. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: Zenair Floats (ZodieRocket) 7. 11:35 AM - Re: Air speed indicator (Craig Payne) 8. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Southern Reflections) 9. 11:40 AM - Re: Chuck in Kitplanes (Pat Spanaus) 10. 11:44 AM - Re: Air speed indicator (Pat Spanaus) 11. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: Zenair Floats (ZodieRocket) 12. 11:55 AM - Re: Kitplanes; articles in general (Zed Smith) 13. 12:38 PM - Re: Chuck in Kitplanes (Jon Croke) 14. 12:53 PM - Re: Chuck in Kitplanes (Craig Payne) 15. 02:06 PM - Re: Air speed indicator (Chuck Deiterich) 16. 02:06 PM - Re: Air speed indicator (Chuck Deiterich) 17. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Bryan Martin) 18. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Southern Reflections) 19. 04:19 PM - Re: Air speed indicator (Pat Spanaus) 20. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (Pat Spanaus) 21. 08:51 PM - Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? (David X) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:04 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenair Floats From: "Ron Lendon" Tommy, I took a look back in the archives and found this link which might answer your question. NO PLANS, yet! -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99770#99770 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:36 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenair Floats From: "Tim Juhl" Why don't you just ask Mark and David? info@can-zacaviation.com Both are very busy guys but have always responded to my pleas for info. Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99782#99782 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:59 AM PST US From: "Pat Spanaus" Subject: Zenith-List: Air speed indicator Hi, Is there any where I can go to see a properly marked AIS for a 701, flap speeds, manuverung speeds etc.. I'd like to mark mine but don't want to do it wrong. Also does any one have the dimensions for making your own foam-cor seats? I met a couple at Eaa last year that gave me a drawing of this, and the even sold the material. I can no longer locate this. I'd like to try an make my own seats for cost reasons, this is also for a 701. Thx Pat. Hartland Wisc. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:38 AM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: Chuck in Kitplanes FYI.. Chuck Deiterich has just had a wonderful article publshed in Kitplanes (April Page 34) regarding his 701 and the science of airspeed indicators-- quite novel! (I dont work for Kitplanes or Chuck... but find them both enlightening!) Jon ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:40 AM PST US From: "Pat Spanaus" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Chuck in Kitplanes Thk you very much, i might even have this . Thx much! From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: Chuck in Kitplanes FYI.. Chuck Deiterich has just had a wonderful article publshed in Kitplanes (April Page 34) regarding his 701 and the science of airspeed indicators-- quite novel! (I dont work for Kitplanes or Chuck... but find them both enlightening!) Jon _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:27 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenair Floats List, Tommy had a personal reply from me within an hour of his posting the question. As for the website, I add content on a weekly basis and this week I added 5 new pages. Nevertheless, try to remember I am also adding content to www.ch601.org and www.ch701.com and www.zentihnorth.com . The float pages have not been updated much as I have been knee deep in Aluminium and bucking rivets. As soon as I have more I will add it to the website. Right now I'm getting everything ready for Sun-N-Fun. HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR THE BBQ YET ! Come on folks, Chris is retired and this may be the last social event he attends. Let all get out and spend time with him. Sign up for a free burger! http://www.ch601.org/BBQ/bbq.htm Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lendon Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenair Floats Tommy, I took a look back in the archives and found this link which might answer your question. NO PLANS, yet! -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99770#99770 -- 3/10/2007 2:25 PM -- 3/10/2007 2:25 PM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:41 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air speed indicator If you are just looking for the "V" numbers aren't they on the front of the plans? They are for the 601XL. The couple selling the foam and plans were probably Jim and Janice Fix at Hi-Tech Foams: http://www.seatfoam.com/ -- Craig ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:38 AM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? where did you get seats..?? Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Martin" Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? > > I flew my Zodiac to Sun'N'Fun from Michigan in 2004. I spent most of the > 12 hours in the air with my arm laying on the arm rest flying the plane > with my thumb and forefinger on the base of the stick. The only > discomfort I had was in my legs due to the limited space to stretch out. > Those comfor-foam seats are worth every penny I spent on them. I remember > one hour flights in Cessnas that were less comfortable than four hours in > my Zodiac. > > An auto-pilot would be highly desirable for such long flights because > otherwise you do have to fly the plane all the time, especially on a warm > day over the mountains. > >> >> In my flying career there have been many instances where I needed to let >> go of the controls or switch hands to do some task or another. In the >> case of the XL I plan to leave the Y stick & install avionics and etc. >> favoring the left hand (but reachable from the right seat in a pinch) >> and install a single axis autopilot. I have flown some long trips with >> the center stick in my Champ and it does become uncomfortable after >> awhile. You find yourself switching hands to ease the ache in your >> shoulder. >> > > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, > RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. > do not archive. > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:45 AM PST US From: "Pat Spanaus" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Chuck in Kitplanes Hi Jon, Just went thru 3 years of experimenter mag. I don't have any kit plane mags. Hoped maybe his article got to the experimenter as well. Any suggestions about where to get a look at the kitplane? thx Again pat From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: Chuck in Kitplanes FYI.. Chuck Deiterich has just had a wonderful article publshed in Kitplanes (April Page 34) regarding his 701 and the science of airspeed indicators-- quite novel! (I dont work for Kitplanes or Chuck... but find them both enlightening!) Jon _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:29 AM PST US From: "Pat Spanaus" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air speed indicator Hi Craig, yes they are for the 701 as well, But I do want to be sure where to put each colored arc, where they start and end. Thx Pat From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air speed indicator If you are just looking for the "V" numbers aren't they on the front of the plans? They are for the 601XL. The couple selling the foam and plans were probably Jim and Janice Fix at Hi-Tech Foams: http://www.seatfoam.com/ -- Craig _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:34 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenair Floats Sorry Folks, I had a typr This goes right along with the two root canals I have had this week. The proper link is www.zenithnorth.com Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ZodieRocket Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenair Floats List, Tommy had a personal reply from me within an hour of his posting the question. As for the website, I add content on a weekly basis and this week I added 5 new pages. Nevertheless, try to remember I am also adding content to www.ch601.org and www.ch701.com and www.zentihnorth.com . The float pages have not been updated much as I have been knee deep in Aluminium and bucking rivets. As soon as I have more I will add it to the website. Right now I'm getting everything ready for Sun-N-Fun. HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR THE BBQ YET ! Come on folks, Chris is retired and this may be the last social event he attends. Let all get out and spend time with him. Sign up for a free burger! http://www.ch601.org/BBQ/bbq.htm Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lendon Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenair Floats Tommy, I took a look back in the archives and found this link which might answer your question. NO PLANS, yet! -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99770#99770 -- 3/10/2007 2:25 PM -- 3/10/2007 2:25 PM -- 3/10/2007 2:25 PM -- 3/10/2007 2:25 PM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:09 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Kitplanes; articles in general do not archive This current issue of "Kitplanes" is the first in a looooong time that had something for the average kitplane builder. Chuck's piece is really good. Likewise a couple of others. Refreshing to find something not related to the Reno Air Races and mega-buck aircraft. Wonder if that hit a nerve somewhere? Regards to all doing their own building, Zed ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:11 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Chuck in Kitplanes Hi Pat, Well, I'd scan the article and email but I am sure the copyright lawyers would sue my butt! I know Kitplanes has an electronic, web based version of their magazine, BUT I understand it's a year subscription and quite pricey. Just a thought... do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Spanaus" Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:40 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Chuck in Kitplanes > > Hi Jon, Just went thru 3 years of experimenter mag. I don't have any kit > plane mags. Hoped maybe his article got to the experimenter as well. Any > suggestions about where to get a look at the kitplane? thx Again pat > > > From: "Jon Croke" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Chuck in Kitplanes > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:34:21 -0600 > > > FYI.. > > Chuck Deiterich has just had a wonderful article publshed in Kitplanes > (April Page 34) regarding his 701 and the science of airspeed > indicators-- > quite novel! > > (I dont work for Kitplanes or Chuck... but find them both enlightening!) > > Jon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more..then map the best > route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 > > > -- > 2:25 PM > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:07 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Chuck in Kitplanes The $50 electronic subscription also gives you full access to their searchable archives. But it could still be considered over-priced given that they don't have to print and mail you a paper edition. www.kitplanes.com A subscription to the printed version will cost you $30. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:19 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Air speed indicator Paul, Here is a page out of my operating manual with the speeds and where to mark the ASI. Chuck D. N701TX Airspeed Airspeed limitations and their operational significance are shown below: Speed IAS (MPH) Remarks VNE Never exceed speed 108 Do not exceed this speed in any operation VNO Maximum structural 87 Do not exceed this speed cruising speed except in smooth air and then only with caution VA Maneuvering speed 71 Do not make full or abrupt control movement above this speed, because under certain condition the aircraft may be overstressed by full control movement VFE Maximum Flap 60 Do not exceed this speed with extended speed flaps extended. Airspeed indicator markings: Airspeed indicator markings and their color-code significance are shown below: Marking IAS value or range (MPH) Significance white arc 31 - 60 Positive Flap Operating Range Green arc 36 - 87 Normal Operating Range Yellow arc 87 -108 Maneuvers must be conducted with caution and only in smooth air Red line 108 Maximum speed for all operations Powerplant: Engine manufacturer.................... . ...............................Jabiru Engine Model:. ............................................................ Jabiru 2200 Maximum Power, take-off .......................................... 80 HP Maximum Power, continuous: .................................... .80 HP Maximum Engine RPM, take-off.. ......................... 3300 Max continuous ................................ 3300 Maximum cylinder head temperature: . . . 392 deg F (200 deg C) Maximum continuous cylinder head temp:. 356 deg F (180 deg C) Minimum operational cylinder head temp..212 deg F (100 deg C) Maximum oil temperature. . . . . . . . . .. . . 118 deg. C (244 deg F) Max continuous oil temperature . ..80-100 deg C (176-212 deg F) Minimum operational oil temperature. . . . . . . 15 deg C (59 deg F) Minimum Oil Pressure. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . 80 kPa (11 psi) Maximum Oil Pressure. . . . . . .. . . .. . ... . . 525 kPa (76 psi) Oil Pressure normal range . . . ... . . 220 -525 kPa (31 -76 psi) Fuel Pressure . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . . .. 5-20 kPa (.75 -3 psi) Fuel grade.. Avgas 100 LL or Premium grade automotive gas, Oil grade . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . Aero Oil W Multigrade 15W-50 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Spanaus" Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air speed indicator > > > Hi Craig, yes they are for the 701 as well, But I do want to be sure where > to put each colored arc, where they start and end. Thx Pat ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:19 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Air speed indicator Pat sorry I called you Paul. Chuck D. do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:57 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? I bought the foam from Hi-Tech foams At Sun'N'Fun 2003 for $378. http://www.seatfoam.com/ I carved the foam to shape myself and glued it together. I had a local upholsterer sew the covers for me for about $200. > > > where did you get seats..?? Joe N101HD -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:26 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? Thanks Bryan, Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Martin" Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? > > I bought the foam from Hi-Tech foams At Sun'N'Fun 2003 for $378. > http://www.seatfoam.com/ > I carved the foam to shape myself and glued it together. I had a local > upholsterer sew the covers for me for about $200. > > >> >> >> where did you get seats..?? Joe N101HD > > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, > RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. > do not archive. > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:08 PM PST US From: "Pat Spanaus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Air speed indicator Chuck, Wow, like thx, exactly what I was looking for on the color codes. Espically helpful on the lower ends. Thx very much, Pat Wisc. From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Air speed indicator Paul, Here is a page out of my operating manual with the speeds and where to mark the ASI. Chuck D. N701TX Airspeed Airspeed limitations and their operational significance are shown below: Speed IAS (MPH) Remarks VNE Never exceed speed 108 Do not exceed this speed in any operation VNO Maximum structural 87 Do not exceed this speed cruising speed except in smooth air and then only with caution VA Maneuvering speed 71 Do not make full or abrupt control movement above this speed, because under certain condition the aircraft may be overstressed by full control movement VFE Maximum Flap 60 Do not exceed this speed with extended speed flaps extended. Airspeed indicator markings: Airspeed indicator markings and their color-code significance are shown below: Marking IAS value or range (MPH) Significance white arc 31 - 60 Positive Flap Operating Range Green arc 36 - 87 Normal Operating Range Yellow arc 87 -108 Maneuvers must be conducted with caution and only in smooth air Red line 108 Maximum speed for all operations Powerplant: Engine manufacturer.................... . ...............................Jabiru Engine Model:. ............................................................ Jabiru 2200 Maximum Power, take-off .......................................... 80 HP Maximum Power, continuous: .................................... .80 HP Maximum Engine RPM, take-off.. ......................... 3300 Max continuous ................................ 3300 Maximum cylinder head temperature: . . . 392 deg F (200 deg C) Maximum continuous cylinder head temp:. 356 deg F (180 deg C) Minimum operational cylinder head temp..212 deg F (100 deg C) Maximum oil temperature. . . . . . . . . .. . . 118 deg. C (244 deg F) Max continuous oil temperature . ..80-100 deg C (176-212 deg F) Minimum operational oil temperature. . . . . . . 15 deg C (59 deg F) Minimum Oil Pressure. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . 80 kPa (11 psi) Maximum Oil Pressure. . . . . . .. . . .. . ... . . 525 kPa (76 psi) Oil Pressure normal range . . . ... . . 220 -525 kPa (31 -76 psi) Fuel Pressure . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . . .. 5-20 kPa (.75 -3 psi) Fuel grade.. Avgas 100 LL or Premium grade automotive gas, Oil grade . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . Aero Oil W Multigrade 15W-50 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Spanaus" Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air speed indicator > > > Hi Craig, yes they are for the 701 as well, But I do want to be sure where > to put each colored arc, where they start and end. Thx Pat _________________________________________________________________ Rates near 39yr lows! $430K Loan for $1,399/mo - Paying Too Much? Calculate new payment ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:17 PM PST US From: "Pat Spanaus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? Bryan, thx very much, think this is just what I saw @ EAA, Have to see if I think I can make a set. Will keep your mail for future, thx A bunch! Pat Wisc. From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? I bought the foam from Hi-Tech foams At Sun'N'Fun 2003 for $378. http://www.seatfoam.com/ I carved the foam to shape myself and glued it together. I had a local upholsterer sew the covers for me for about $200. > > >where did you get seats..?? Joe N101HD -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:13 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? From: "David X" bryanmmartin wrote: > I bought the foam from Hi-Tech foams At Sun'N'Fun 2003 for $378. http://www.seatfoam.com/ > I carved the foam to shape myself and glued it together. I had a > local upholsterer sew the covers for me for about $200. Creapy. 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