---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/11/07: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:37 AM - comfortable seats (Big Gee) 2. 07:02 AM - Re: Firewall Primer Question (Carl Bertrand) 3. 08:05 AM - Re: comfortable seats (Bryan Martin) 4. 09:09 AM - Re: flight attitude of XL?? (Juan Vega) 5. 10:01 AM - Re: flight attitude of XL?? (David Downey) 6. 10:27 AM - Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? (David X) 7. 01:27 PM - Upper extruded Ls (Bill Naumuk) 8. 01:49 PM - Re: Upper extruded Ls (wade jones) 9. 02:12 PM - Re: Firewall Primer Question (Timothy Croy) 10. 03:41 PM - those comfortable seats (Jeff Small) 11. 03:57 PM - Re: flight attitude of XL?? (Juan Vega) 12. 04:01 PM - Re: canopy for 601XL? (Juan Vega) 13. 04:21 PM - Re: Upper extruded Ls (Ron Lendon) 14. 04:30 PM - Re: those comfortable seats (Pat Spanaus) 15. 04:52 PM - Re: Upper extruded Ls (R.P.) 16. 06:27 PM - Re: Upper extruded Ls (LarryMcFarland) 17. 06:42 PM - Re: Upper extruded Ls (Bill Naumuk) 18. 06:45 PM - Re: Upper extruded Ls (Bill Naumuk) 19. 06:50 PM - Re: Upper extruded Ls (Bill Naumuk) 20. 07:33 PM - Re: Upper extruded Ls (Terry Turnquist) 21. 07:51 PM - canopy lock (mikeandlaurie3@netzero.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:46 AM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Zenith-List: comfortable seats just changing the subject line from "Y" stick"=0A=0A=0A----- Original Messa ge ----=0AFrom: David X =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:50:05 PM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Re: Y id X" =0A=0A=0Abryanmmartin wrote:=0A> I bought the foam f rom Hi-Tech foams At Sun'N'Fun 2003 for $378. http://www.seatfoam.com/=0A> I carved the foam to shape myself and glued it together. I had a =0A> loc al upholsterer sew the covers for me for about $200.=0A=0A=0ACreapy. Kinda like making love to yourself :) LOL=0A=0A--------=0AZodiac 601 XL - CZAW Bu ilt - Rotax 912S=0ADO NOT ARCHIVE=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here :=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99900#99900=0A=0A=0A =====0A=0A=0A =0A__________________________________________________ __________________________________=0ADon't get soaked. Take a quick peek a t the forecast=0Awith the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.=0Ahttp://tools.se arch.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:52 AM PST US From: "Carl Bertrand" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Firewall Primer Question Dave One option is to leave it bare. I just used Zinkcromate in the joints, looks good after 12 years. Carl 701 on floats. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:34 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: comfortable seats > > bryanmmartin wrote: > > I bought the foam from Hi-Tech foams At Sun'N'Fun 2003 for $378. > http://www.seatfoam.com/ > > I carved the foam to shape myself and glued it together. I had a > > local upholsterer sew the covers for me for about $200. > > > Creapy. Kinda like making love to yourself :) LOL > ? -- do not archive. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:53 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: flight attitude of XL?? it all depends which speed setting you have established in the pitch setting. At full throttle, level flight, nose is level, at low 2000 rpm pitched for 65knts, nose is 5 to 10 high. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: David Downey >Sent: Mar 8, 2007 8:36 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: flight attitude of XL?? > >Would anyone care to comment on the normal flight pitch attitude of a box-stock XL (Corvair powered)? My observations of in-flight and fly-by videos would suggest that they tend to operate with the nose high and the tail low in normal cruise. Does anyone know if this is actually the case or is it an illusion? > > > > Dave Downey > Harleysville (SE) PA > Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? > > > >--------------------------------- >8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:08 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: flight attitude of XL?? Thanks for the reply Juan. Is full throttle level flight in the range of LSA limits? do not archive Juan Vega wrote: it all depends which speed setting you have established in the pitch setting. At full throttle, level flight, nose is level, at low 2000 rpm pitched for 65knts, nose is 5 to 10 high. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: David Downey >Sent: Mar 8, 2007 8:36 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: flight attitude of XL?? > >Would anyone care to comment on the normal flight pitch attitude of a box-stock XL (Corvair powered)? My observations of in-flight and fly-by videos would suggest that they tend to operate with the nose high and the tail low in normal cruise. Does anyone know if this is actually the case or is it an illusion? > > > > Dave Downey > Harleysville (SE) PA > Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? > > > >--------------------------------- >8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:03 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New "European XL" from Zenith? From: "David X" dfmoeller wrote: > David, > > Do you have any pix of your new installation, particularly the cowling? I'd love to compare the two closely. > > Doug I don't have any side-on, so a little hard to see the difference, but the nose is moved out about 9 inches. See attached. -------- Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99943#99943 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/before_179.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/after_950.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:28 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls All- Well, here we are. 3 months late (Some might say 3 years late), but the fuse is hooked up to the c-section. Just finished the garanger and still have to be careful of positioning or I'll run out of room! Anyone have an easy way to bend the upper longerons? I'm not crazy about building the rig Larry Mac used, but will if I have to. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:40 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls Hi Bill ,there may be a better way ,however I used the method used by Larry Mac .It takes next to nothing to build the jig if you already have some big "C" clamps Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls All- Well, here we are. 3 months late (Some might say 3 years late), but the fuse is hooked up to the c-section. Just finished the garanger and still have to be careful of positioning or I'll run out of room! Anyone have an easy way to bend the upper longerons? I'm not crazy about building the rig Larry Mac used, but will if I have to. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:53 PM PST US From: "Timothy Croy" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Firewall Primer Question Speaking of Zinc Chromate. Is it good to paint / spray it on the cockpit walls and inside the fuselage or is it ok to leave it bare? Any recommendations between Zinc Chromate and Zinc Oxide? Thanks, Tim On 3/10/07, Carl Bertrand wrote: > > > Dave > One option is to leave it bare. I just used Zinkcromate in the joints, > looks > good after 12 years. > Carl > 701 on floats. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:30 PM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Zenith-List: those comfortable seats Go to the Builders Resources in the ch601.org website and you'll find a few photos. http://www.ch601.org/resources/foam_seat/foam_seat_construction.htm tailwinds jeff ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:03 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: flight attitude of XL?? it depends on the pitch setting of the prop. Full throttle with climb pitch will give high rpm at climb then go past 3300 at cruise with no increase in speed. increase the bite, and at cruise the plane starts to accelarate giving you a different speed. maybe more than LSA in some. what is imprtant is not the plane level, but the artificial horizon if you have one. Just set the cruise for level flight pitch your speed and see where the nose sits out the window. If artificial Horizon, pitch plane for level flight, waite a minute for plane to settle, then move horizon. you are now level. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: David Downey >Sent: Mar 11, 2007 1:00 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: flight attitude of XL?? > >Thanks for the reply Juan. Is full throttle level flight in the range of LSA limits? > > do not archive > >Juan Vega wrote: > >it all depends which speed setting you have established in the pitch setting. At full throttle, level flight, nose is level, at low 2000 rpm pitched for 65knts, nose is 5 to 10 high. > > >Juan > >-----Original Message----- >>From: David Downey > >>Sent: Mar 8, 2007 8:36 PM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Zenith-List: flight attitude of XL?? >> >>Would anyone care to comment on the normal flight pitch attitude of a box-stock XL (Corvair powered)? My observations of in-flight and fly-by videos would suggest that they tend to operate with the nose high and the tail low in normal cruise. Does anyone know if this is actually the case or is it an illusion? >> >> >> >> Dave Downey >> Harleysville (SE) PA >> Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time >> with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > > > Dave Downey > Harleysville (SE) PA > Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? > > > >--------------------------------- >Be a PS3 game guru. >Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:46 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: canopy for 601XL? if they have had CG problems (aft) has anyone moved the battery forward of the firewall mount? Juan -----Original Message----- >From: VideoFlyer@aol.com >Sent: Mar 8, 2007 5:34 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: canopy for 601XL? > >Let me know what you find out about this. I, too, am interested in a >different shaped canopy...." to get the reduction in useless height in the center and >more useful volume at the sides." The RV canopy is more to my liking. > >Dave > >


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AOL now offers free >email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:19 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Upper extruded Ls From: "Ron Lendon" That's the way I plan on doing mine. The whole object is to have some control over the process. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99992#99992 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:46 PM PST US From: "Pat Spanaus" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: those comfortable seats Jeff, thx much for the link, super site and very helpful. thx Pat 701 wisc. From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Zenith-List: those comfortable seats Go to the Builders Resources in the ch601.org website and you'll find a few photos. http://www.ch601.org/resources/foam_seat/foam_seat_construction.htm tailwinds jeff _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:21 PM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls >All > Well, here we are. 3 months late (Some might say 3 years late), but the > fuse is > hooked up to the c-section. Just finished the garanger and still have to > be careful of >positioning or I'll run out of room! > Anyone have an easy way to bend the upper longerons? I'm not crazy about >building the rig Larry Mac used, but will if I have to. > >Bill Naumuk I used a pipe bender that I'd bought at Harbor Freight for another project. http://www.lightflyers.com/longeron.jpg It was a pretty simple process. Rick Pitcher http://www.lightflyers.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:17 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls Bill, Take another look at what it takes. Very little effort to get it right here and you just use the template to check against. Bend just a little at a time, and you can unbend as needed to get it. Just take your time. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/fuselage/full/longeronbend.gif Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Bill Naumuk wrote: > All- > Well, here we are. 3 months late (Some might say 3 years late), > but the fuse is hooked up to the c-section. Just finished the garanger > and still have to be careful of positioning or I'll run out of room! > Anyone have an easy way to bend the upper longerons? I'm not crazy > about building the rig Larry Mac used, but will if I have to. > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuse/Corvair > Townville, Pa > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:31 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls Wade- I guess it's the casters that threw me. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: wade jones To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls Hi Bill ,there may be a better way ,however I used the method used by Larry Mac .It takes next to nothing to build the jig if you already have some big "C" clamps Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls All- Well, here we are. 3 months late (Some might say 3 years late), but the fuse is hooked up to the c-section. Just finished the garanger and still have to be careful of positioning or I'll run out of room! Anyone have an easy way to bend the upper longerons? I'm not crazy about building the rig Larry Mac used, but will if I have to. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:33 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls Rick- Definitely the way to go, but I can't justify the expense for two bends. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.P." Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Naumuk" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 1:26 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls > > >>All >> Well, here we are. 3 months late (Some might say 3 years late), but the >> fuse is >> hooked up to the c-section. Just finished the garanger and still have to >> be careful of >>positioning or I'll run out of room! >> Anyone have an easy way to bend the upper longerons? I'm not crazy about >>building the rig Larry Mac used, but will if I have to. >> >>Bill Naumuk > > I used a pipe bender that I'd bought at Harbor Freight for another > project. http://www.lightflyers.com/longeron.jpg > It was a pretty simple process. > > Rick Pitcher > http://www.lightflyers.com > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:13 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls Larry- I'll probably come up with something similar depending on what I find laying around the corners of the garage. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls > > Bill, > Take another look at what it takes. Very little effort to get it right > here and you just use the template to check against. > Bend just a little at a time, and you can unbend as needed to get it. > Just take your time. > http://www.macsmachine.com/images/fuselage/full/longeronbend.gif > > Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com > do not archive > > > Bill Naumuk wrote: >> All- >> Well, here we are. 3 months late (Some might say 3 years late), but >> the fuse is hooked up to the c-section. Just finished the garanger and >> still have to be careful of positioning or I'll run out of room! >> Anyone have an easy way to bend the upper longerons? I'm not crazy >> about building the rig Larry Mac used, but will if I have to. >> Bill Naumuk >> HDS Fuse/Corvair >> Townville, Pa >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:20 PM PST US From: Terry Turnquist Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls Check out Scott Laughlin's site. He simplified Larry's bender a little. Couldn't get easier. Do not archive Bill Naumuk wrote: Larry- I'll probably come up with something similar depending on what I find laying around the corners of the garage. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls > > Bill, > Take another look at what it takes. Very little effort to get it right > here and you just use the template to check against. > Bend just a little at a time, and you can unbend as needed to get it. > Just take your time. > http://www.macsmachine.com/images/fuselage/full/longeronbend.gif > > Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com > do not archive > > > Bill Naumuk wrote: >> All- >> Well, here we are. 3 months late (Some might say 3 years late), but >> the fuse is hooked up to the c-section. Just finished the garanger and >> still have to be careful of positioning or I'll run out of room! >> Anyone have an easy way to bend the upper longerons? I'm not crazy >> about building the rig Larry Mac used, but will if I have to. >> Bill Naumuk >> HDS Fuse/Corvair >> Townville, Pa >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > > --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:05 PM PST US From: "mikeandlaurie3@netzero.net" Subject: Zenith-List: canopy lock Hi Group, I built a canopy lock in 3 hours and < $10 for my 601xl. Worddocument wi th pics is too large for the list. If interested, contact me off list Mike

Hi Group,

I built a canopy lock in 3 hours and < $10 for my 601xl. Worddocum ent with pics is too large for the list. If interested, contact me off l ist

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