---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/12/07: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:21 AM - Re: Upper extruded Ls (Dave Johnson) 2. 08:46 AM - Re: canopy lock (kkinney) 3. 01:02 PM - Re: LRI pickup (dj45) 4. 03:57 PM - Longeron bender (Bill Naumuk) 5. 04:12 PM - Strapping the Stab (Ron Miller) 6. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (R.P.) 7. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (R.P.) 8. 04:39 PM - Re: Strapping the Stab (Paul Mulwitz) 9. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (n801bh@netzero.com) 10. 04:59 PM - Re: Longeron bender (LarryMcFarland) 11. 05:06 PM - Maintenance Manual (robert stone) 12. 05:13 PM - Re: Maintenance Manual (R.P.) 13. 05:18 PM - Re: Strapping the Stab (Bill Naumuk) 14. 05:20 PM - Re: Longeron bender (Bill Naumuk) 15. 06:18 PM - Re: Longeron bender/ reinvented (Big Gee) 16. 06:39 PM - Re: Longeron bender/ reinvented (Bill Naumuk) 17. 07:07 PM - Re: Longeron bender (Ron Lendon) 18. 07:12 PM - Re: Maintenance Manual (Jeff) 19. 08:16 PM - Jabiru 3300 Engine Maintenance Manua (robert stone) 20. 09:16 PM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Fred Johnson) 21. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Fred Johnson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:07 AM PST US From: "Dave Johnson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls I used this technique, but using a vice (vise?) for better control. One problem is that the longeron tries to bend sideways as you bend it. My solution was to clamp both longerons back to back to form a T section and bend them both together, they tend to stay flat if you do that, as they are each trying to bend in oppposite directions, so cancel out. It also has the advantage that you get both longerons to exactly the same curve - and if you are REALLY lucky, it might even be the CORRECT curve!! Dave Johnson 601XL from a kit (in the UK) Wings, tail and most of the fuselage done, waiting for the instruments (Dynon D100 & D120) and engine Jab.3300) ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:25 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper extruded Ls > > Bill, > Take another look at what it takes. Very little effort to get it right > here and you just use the template to check against. > Bend just a little at a time, and you can unbend as needed to get it. > Just take your time. > http://www.macsmachine.com/images/fuselage/full/longeronbend.gif > > Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com > do not archive > > > Bill Naumuk wrote: >> All- >> Well, here we are. 3 months late (Some might say 3 years late), but >> the fuse is hooked up to the c-section. Just finished the garanger and >> still have to be careful of positioning or I'll run out of room! >> Anyone have an easy way to bend the upper longerons? I'm not crazy >> about building the rig Larry Mac used, but will if I have to. >> Bill Naumuk >> HDS Fuse/Corvair >> Townville, Pa >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:13 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: canopy lock From: "kkinney" I've found a cheap source for canopy friendly locks. Your average PC usually has a suitable lock in the back of it. (Provided you can find the keys.) I don't know about the suitability for outdoor applications, but then I wouldn't probably know that even if I bought one in a hardware store. Now if I could only find an electronic version for my "Starter Enable" switch... Regards, Kevin Kinney Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100069#100069 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:37 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: LRI pickup From: "dj45" Sorry Guys, I just got off the phone with the machinist and he wants $70 each for the LRI. Scott Laughlin (cookingwithgas@hotmail.com)sells them for $50 plus the face and instructions. So I guess that would be the way to go. Scott is trying to get his plane in the air, so maybe it will be awhile before he can get too them. If you just can't wait, this guy can do them now. I got more time than money, If you are short on time let me know. -------- Do not archive Dan Stanton 90% done 90% to go 801, Deltahawk Diesel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100097#100097 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:28 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Longeron bender All- Wow! This is the way things should work- tons of ideas rather than locked and loaded flamethrowers! The main points are: 1. What's the sense of the wood template if all you're using it for is to check the final bend? 2. Larry Mac's jig makes sense from a physics standpoint. An HF bender is ideal if you want to spend the money (Or find a place to store it, in my case). 3. You have to make sure the bend occurs perpendicular to the workbench or you induce an axial twist. Here's my basic idea- feel free to chime in- 1. Cut the center chunk of the template (Between the straight parts) out of 2x4. 2. Cut a kerf on the top and bottom of your little template the thickness and width of the L. 3. Set the rollers of Larry's jig maybe 10mm outboard of the 850mm on the left side of the template and the 100mm on the right side of the template. 4. Use a c-clamp to drive the template into the L angle. You might have to do a little tweaking, but not much. Thoughts? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:33 PM PST US From: Ron Miller Subject: Zenith-List: Strapping the Stab Hi All, Relative newbie lurker here. I have started my 601XT with kits from Zenith. Rudder went together fine. I am now on the stab and have what may be a dumb question. Here goes - the kit comes with alignment holes drilled for the skin. I have attached the lower side, turned everything over and am ready to close. If I follow the procedure of using the straps to pull everything into alignment, I quickly pull the forward flange pre-drilled holes in the skin past the center line of the flange. Shouldn't I just line up the holes with the midline I have drawn on the flange, drill and cleco? Wouldn't that guarantee alignment of the rest of the skin? What am I misssing here? Do not archive. Ron 601XL San Diego ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Not making enough money? Click here to get free info on medical jobs http://tags.bluebottle.com/fc/CAaCMPJk1mHgOrC1zqUDm2q69eiiqXS2/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:06 PM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Hi John. I'm a Zodiac builder/flyer who hangars nearby (WJF Fox Field) I've stopped at Apple Valley a few times for fuel and luch, I'd love to drop in and check out your plane. What days are you usually out there? You have a cellphone # I could call to see if you're at the hangar next time I'm out that way? Rick Pitcher AND a fellow Zodiac builcer and throat cancer survivor ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN STARN" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Ex-Det. Sgt Fontana PD, plumbing , heating A/C contractor, BA in Criminal Justice, CalState San Bernardino, Calif. Teaching credential Chapman University, teacher-coach K-12th grades. ex-CAF Col.( got to work on Corsair, TBM, AT-6, PT-19 etc) EAA Tech. Counselor, Young Eagles Coord. Chapter #768. Built & fly HRII N561FS with partner. Driving 7th Corvette (first one '57 3speed in 1963), current '92 Red LT1 coupe 6 speed. 19 years as "Voice of the Raven's" (Bloomington Christian High School) until cancer took voicebox. Great friends & family. KABONG Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: paulrod36@msn.com To: zenith-list Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:28 PM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Sorry guys. That was supposed to be a private message to John. I forgot that it was a list posting when I clicked on the reply button. do not archive Rick Pitcher ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.P." Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > > Hi John. > I'm a Zodiac builder/flyer who hangars nearby (WJF Fox Field) > I've stopped at Apple Valley a few times for fuel and luch, I'd love to > drop in and check out your plane. What days are you usually out there? You > have a cellphone # I could call to see if you're at the hangar next time > I'm out that way? > > Rick Pitcher > AND a fellow Zodiac builcer and throat cancer survivor > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOHN STARN" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:04 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > > > Ex-Det. Sgt Fontana PD, plumbing , heating A/C contractor, BA in Criminal > Justice, CalState San Bernardino, Calif. Teaching credential Chapman > University, teacher-coach K-12th grades. ex-CAF Col.( got to work on > Corsair, TBM, AT-6, PT-19 etc) EAA Tech. Counselor, Young Eagles Coord. > Chapter #768. Built & fly HRII N561FS with partner. > Driving 7th Corvette (first one '57 3speed in 1963), current '92 Red LT1 > coupe 6 speed. 19 years as "Voice of the Raven's" (Bloomington Christian > High School) until cancer took voicebox. Great friends & family. KABONG > Do Not Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: paulrod36@msn.com > To: zenith-list > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:42 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:05 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Strapping the Stab Hi Ron, I think that is a question for Zenith tech support. Most of us (including me) didn't have the predrilled holes you have and we have not experienced this sort of problem. Perhaps there is a problem with the holes or maybe not. Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 03:12 PM 3/12/2007, you wrote: > >Hi All, > >Relative newbie lurker here. I have started my 601XT with kits from >Zenith. Rudder went together fine. I am now on the stab and have >what may be a dumb question. >Here goes - the kit comes with alignment holes drilled for the >skin. I have attached the lower side, turned everything over and am >ready to close. If I follow the procedure of using the straps to >pull everything into alignment, I quickly pull the forward flange >pre-drilled holes in the skin past the center line of the flange. >Shouldn't I just line up the holes with the midline I have drawn on >the flange, drill and cleco? Wouldn't that guarantee alignment of >the rest of the skin? >What am I misssing here? >Do not archive. > >Ron >601XL San Diego - ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:20 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I hate it when I do the same thing.... And it is a Monday too... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "R.P." wrote: Sorry guys. That was supposed to be a private message to John. I forgot that it was a list posting when I clicked on the reply button. do not archive Rick Pitcher ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.P." Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > > Hi John. > I'm a Zodiac builder/flyer who hangars nearby (WJF Fox Field) > I've stopped at Apple Valley a few times for fuel and luch, I'd love t o > drop in and check out your plane. What days are you usually out there? You > have a cellphone # I could call to see if you're at the hangar next ti me > I'm out that way? > > Rick Pitcher > AND a fellow Zodiac builcer and throat cancer survivor > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOHN STARN" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:04 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > > > Ex-Det. Sgt Fontana PD, plumbing , heating A/C contractor, BA in Crimi nal > Justice, CalState San Bernardino, Calif. Teaching credential Chapman > University, teacher-coach K-12th grades. ex-CAF Col.( got to work on > Corsair, TBM, AT-6, PT-19 etc) EAA Tech. Counselor, Young Eagles Coord . > Chapter #768. Built & fly HRII N561FS with partner. > Driving 7th Corvette (first one '57 3speed in 1963), current '92 Red L T1 > coupe 6 speed. 19 years as "Voice of the Raven's" (Bloomington Christi an > High School) until cancer took voicebox. Great friends & family. KABO NG > Do Not Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: paulrod36@msn.com > To: zenith-list > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:42 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > > > ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========

I hate it when I do the same thing.... And it is a Monday too... <G>

do not archive


Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair .com

-- "R.P." <zodie@adelphia.net> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "R.P."& nbsp;<zodie@adelphia.net>

Sorry guys.
That was  supposed to be a private message to& nbsp;John. I forgot that it was a 
list posting when I clicked on the r eply button.
do not archive

Rick Pitcher

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From:&nbs p;"R.P." <zodie@adelphia.net>
To: <zenith-list@mat ronics.com>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007  4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT&n bsp;OF AIRCRAFT RELATED


> --> Zenit h-List message posted by: "R.P." <zodie@adel phia.net>
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> Hi John.
> I'm a& nbsp;Zodiac builder/flyer who hangars nearby (W JF Fox Field)
> I've stopped at Appl e Valley a few times for fuel and&nbs p;luch, I'd love to 
> drop in  and check out your plane. What days a re you usually out there? You 
>&nbs p;have a cellphone # I could call to& nbsp;see if you're at the hangar next  ;time 
> I'm out that way?
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> ; Rick Pitcher
> AND a fellow Zodiac  builcer and throat cancer survivor
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
& gt; From: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent : Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:04 PM
& gt; Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF& nbsp;AIRCRAFT RELATED
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> Ex-Det. Sgt  Fontana PD, plumbing , heating A/C c ontractor, BA in Criminal 
> Justice,&nbs p;CalState San Bernardino, Calif. Teaching cred ential Chapman 
> University, teacher-coach&nb sp;K-12th grades. ex-CAF Col.( got to work  on 
> Corsair, TBM, AT-6, PT-19&nbs p;etc) EAA Tech. Counselor, Young Eagles C oord. 
> Chapter #768. Built & f ly HRII N561FS with partner.
> Driving&nb sp;7th Corvette (first one '57 3speed in&n bsp;1963), current '92 Red LT1 
> co upe 6 speed. 19 years as "Voice of&nb sp;the Raven's" (Bloomington Christian 
>  ;High School) until cancer took voicebox.  Great friends & family.  KABONG 
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>  ----- Original& nbsp;Message ----- 
>  From: paulrod36@ms n.com
>  To: zenith-list
>  Sent:&n bsp;Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:42 PM
> ;  Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF  AIRCRAFT RELATED
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:27 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Longeron bender Hi Bill, If you have the template as nothing more than a left and right line on the table, you're there. Just bend the thing and you'll find out that you'll have it done in less than 30 minutes both sides including adjustments. A template can be flipped to assure symmetry. Just pushing into a template will leave you with a need for another 10 degrees or more. Easier to bend just a little bit at a time to come up on a line or template. Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Bill Naumuk wrote: > All- > Wow! This is the way things should work- tons of ideas rather than > locked and loaded flamethrowers! The main points are: > 1. What's the sense of the wood template if all you're using it > for is to check the final bend? > 2. Larry Mac's jig makes sense from a physics standpoint. An HF > bender is ideal if you want to spend the money (Or find a place to > store it, in my case). > 3. You have to make sure the bend occurs perpendicular to the > workbench or you induce an axial twist. > Here's my basic idea- feel free to chime in- > 1. Cut the center chunk of the template (Between the straight > parts) out of 2x4. > 2. Cut a kerf on the top and bottom of your little template the > thickness and width of the L. > 3. Set the rollers of Larry's jig maybe 10mm outboard of the 850mm > on the left side of the template and the 100mm on the right side of > the template. > 4. Use a c-clamp to drive the template into the L angle. You might > have to do a little tweaking, but not much. > Thoughts? > > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuse/Corvair > Townville, Pa > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:24 PM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Zenith-List: Maintenance Manual Members, So far I have written three e-mails to Jabiru asking questions and have yet to receive an answer. The last one was, is there a maintenance manuel available for the Jabiru 3300 engine. If anyone out there knows if a manuel is available and where I could get one I would be greatfull. I am going to try to contact Jabiru direct in Austraula and see if I can get some answers. Tracy Stone ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:01 PM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Maintenance Manual Try this page for downloads http://jabiru.net.au/service%20bulletinbodyFrame-1.htm Rick Pitcher ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert stone" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Maintenance Manual Members, So far I have written three e-mails to Jabiru asking questions and have yet to receive an answer. The last one was, is there a maintenance manuel available for the Jabiru 3300 engine. If anyone out there knows if a manuel is available and where I could get one I would be greatfull. I am going to try to contact Jabiru direct in Austraula and see if I can get some answers. Tracy Stone ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:02 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Strapping the Stab Ron- Did you have the correct spacers under the skeleton and everything nailed down before attaching the bottom? You should have your spar clamped to L blocks to keep everything from moving. Picture attached to give you an idea of what I'm talking about. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Miller" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:12 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Strapping the Stab > > Hi All, > > Relative newbie lurker here. I have started my 601XT with kits from > Zenith. Rudder went together fine. I am now on the stab and have what > may be a dumb question. > Here goes - the kit comes with alignment holes drilled for the skin. I > have attached the lower side, turned everything over and am ready to > close. If I follow the procedure of using the straps to pull everything > into alignment, I quickly pull the forward flange pre-drilled holes in the > skin past the center line of the flange. > Shouldn't I just line up the holes with the midline I have drawn on the > flange, drill and cleco? Wouldn't that guarantee alignment of the rest of > the skin? > What am I misssing here? > Do not archive. > > Ron > 601XL San Diego > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Not making enough money? Click here to get free info on medical jobs > http://tags.bluebottle.com/fc/CAaCMPJk1mHgOrC1zqUDm2q69eiiqXS2/ > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:37 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Longeron bender Larry- In other words, I'm making it more complicated than necessary. I have some 10' long cardboard I can draw the template on and blew $4 on the components to build your jig. Guess I'm committed now! do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Longeron bender > > Hi Bill, > If you have the template as nothing more than a left and right line on the > table, you're there. Just bend the thing and you'll find out that you'll > have it > done in less than 30 minutes both sides including adjustments. A template > can be flipped to assure symmetry. Just pushing into a template will > leave > you with a need for another 10 degrees or more. Easier to bend just a > little bit at a time to come up on a line or template. > > Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com > do not archive > > Bill Naumuk wrote: >> All- >> Wow! This is the way things should work- tons of ideas rather than >> locked and loaded flamethrowers! The main points are: 1. What's the sense >> of the wood template if all you're using it for is to check the final >> bend? >> 2. Larry Mac's jig makes sense from a physics standpoint. An HF >> bender is ideal if you want to spend the money (Or find a place to store >> it, in my case). >> 3. You have to make sure the bend occurs perpendicular to the >> workbench or you induce an axial twist. >> Here's my basic idea- feel free to chime in- >> 1. Cut the center chunk of the template (Between the straight parts) >> out of 2x4. >> 2. Cut a kerf on the top and bottom of your little template the >> thickness and width of the L. >> 3. Set the rollers of Larry's jig maybe 10mm outboard of the 850mm on >> the left side of the template and the 100mm on the right side of the >> template. >> 4. Use a c-clamp to drive the template into the L angle. You might >> have to do a little tweaking, but not much. >> Thoughts? Bill Naumuk >> HDS Fuse/Corvair >> Townville, Pa >> * >> >> >> * > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:06 PM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Longeron bender/ reinvented why re-invent the wheel ????? Bill, have you bent any longerons yet ???? =0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Bill Naumuk =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:55:52 PM =0ASubject: Zenith-List: Longeron bender=0A=0A=0AAll-=0A Wow! This is th e way things should work- tons of ideas rather than locked and loaded flame throwers! The main points are: =0A 1. What's the sense of the wood templ ate if all you're using it for is to check the final bend?=0A 2. Larry M ac's jig makes sense from a physics standpoint. An HF bender is ideal if yo u want to spend the money (Or find a place to store it, in my case).=0A 3. You have to make sure the bend occurs perpendicular to the workbench or you induce an axial twist.=0A Here's my basic idea- feel free to chime i n-=0A 1. Cut the center chunk of the template (Between the straight part s) out of 2x4.=0A 2. Cut a kerf on the top and bottom of your little tem plate the thickness and width of the L.=0A 3. Set the rollers of Larry's jig maybe 10mm outboard of the 850mm on the left side of the template and the 100mm on the right side of the template. =0A 4. Use a c-clamp to dri ve the template into the L angle. You might have to do a little tweaking, b ut not much.=0A Thoughts? =0A =0ABill Naumuk=0AHDS Fuse/Corvair=0ATow =======0A=0A=0A =0A____________________________________________ ________________________________________=0ANever miss an email again!=0AYah oo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives.=0Ahttp://tools.search. yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:28 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Longeron bender/ reinvented Nope. But I will. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Big Gee To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Longeron bender/ reinvented why re-invent the wheel ????? Bill, have you bent any longerons yet ???? ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:55:52 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Longeron bender All- Wow! This is the way things should work- tons of ideas rather than locked and loaded flamethrowers! The main points are: 1. What's the sense of the wood template if all you're using it for is to check the final bend? 2. Larry Mac's jig makes sense from a physics standpoint. An HF bender is ideal if you want to spend the money (Or find a place to store it, in my case). 3. You have to make sure the bend occurs perpendicular to the workbench or you induce an axial twist. Here's my basic idea- feel free to chime in- 1. Cut the center chunk of the template (Between the straight parts) out of 2x4. 2. Cut a kerf on the top and bottom of your little template the thickness and width of the L. 3. Set the rollers of Larry's jig maybe 10mm outboard of the 850mm on the left side of the template and the 100mm on the right side of the template. 4. Use a c-clamp to drive the template into the L angle. You might have to do a little tweaking, but not much. Thoughts? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa http:"http://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://forums=============== == ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through --> http://forums.matronics.com =========== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:09 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Longeron bender From: "Ron Lendon" Thats the way to do it Bill. Metal has spring back and always needs to be bend a little farther than the final result. Do as Larry says, sneak up on it a little at a time. That setup will give you the control you need. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100205#100205 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:37 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Maintenance Manual Tracy, There are multiple Jabiru dealers. I have had good luck with all of them, but one is somewhat harder to get a hold of. Try posting on the Matronics JabiruEngine list. At least two dealers are trying to get customers to use it. There is a lot of traffic on the Yahoo JabiruEngine Group including the dealers. Normally, you can get Andy at SunCoast on the phone directly. At JabiruUSA, Dana will get an answer for you and phone you back. I haven't used the West Coast dealer much, but the reports I have seen are good. At the JabiruUSA workshop I attended, there was something like a maintenance manual put together by Don Richtar for the class. It has a checklist for each inspection, typical troubleshooting problems found, types of sealants to use, engine part numbers, torque values, etc. Ask Pete about it. If you don't have any luck, let me know and I ask him if I can copy mine for you. Jeff Davidson So far I have written three e-mails to Jabiru asking questions and have yet to receive an answer. The last one was, is there a maintenance manuel available for the Jabiru 3300 engine. If anyone out there knows if a manuel is available and where I could get one I would be greatfull. I am going to try to contact Jabiru direct in Austraula and see if I can get some answers. Tracy Stone ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:02 PM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru 3300 Engine Maintenance Manua Rick & Tod, Both of you sent me the same thing and It's just what I need, Thanks to both of you for the response. I am goint to print the entire manual out 40 pages at a time and then put all in a binder. For those of you who have experenced a rough running engine try looking at the little hose that goes from the carb to the filter box. If it's disconnected, that may be your problem. It was mine. If everything is hooked up right the Jabiru 3300 engine will run very strong and smooth as silk. Tracy Stone ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 Harker Heights, Tx ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:39 PM PST US From: "Fred Johnson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Hi Rick I am not John, I am Fred Johnson and I have a 601 HD at Apple Valley. My home phone is 760-242-67120, my cell is 760-900-4870. I am not a bulder, I bought mine and flew it out from Georgia with Ron Caraway. We could all say hi one day. Fred, P S I am two rows aver from Jack and Tom --Do not archive--- Original Message ----- From: "R.P." Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > > Hi John. > I'm a Zodiac builder/flyer who hangars nearby (WJF Fox Field) > I've stopped at Apple Valley a few times for fuel and luch, I'd love to drop > in and check out your plane. What days are you usually out there? You have a > cellphone # I could call to see if you're at the hangar next time I'm out > that way? > > Rick Pitcher > AND a fellow Zodiac builcer and throat cancer survivor > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOHN STARN" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:04 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > > > Ex-Det. Sgt Fontana PD, plumbing , heating A/C contractor, BA in Criminal > Justice, CalState San Bernardino, Calif. Teaching credential Chapman > University, teacher-coach K-12th grades. ex-CAF Col.( got to work on > Corsair, TBM, AT-6, PT-19 etc) EAA Tech. Counselor, Young Eagles Coord. > Chapter #768. Built & fly HRII N561FS with partner. > Driving 7th Corvette (first one '57 3speed in 1963), current '92 Red LT1 > coupe 6 speed. 19 years as "Voice of the Raven's" (Bloomington Christian > High School) until cancer took voicebox. Great friends & family. KABONG Do > Not Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: paulrod36@msn.com > To: zenith-list > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:42 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:17 PM PST US From: "Fred Johnson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Rick, It looks like I did the same thing sorry every one. Fred Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: n801bh@netzero.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I hate it when I do the same thing.... And it is a Monday too... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "R.P." wrote: Sorry guys. That was supposed to be a private message to John. I forgot that it was a list posting when I clicked on the reply button. do not archive Rick Pitcher ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.P." To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > > Hi John. > I'm a Zodiac builder/flyer who hangars nearby (WJF Fox Field) > I've stopped at Apple Valley a few times for fuel and luch, I'd love to > drop in and check out your plane. What days are you usually out there? You > have a cellphone # I could call to see if you're at the hangar next time > I'm out that way? > > Rick Pitcher > AND a fellow Zodiac builcer and throat cancer survivor > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOHN STARN" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:04 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > > > Ex-Det. Sgt Fontana PD, plumbing , heating A/C contractor, BA in Criminal > Justice, CalState San Bernardino, Calif. Teaching credential Chapman > University, teacher-coach K-12th grades. ex-CAF Col.( got to work on > Corsair, TBM, AT-6, PT-19 etc) EAA Tech. Counselor, Young Eagles Coord. > Chapter #768. Built & fly HRII N561FS with partner. > Driving 7th Corvette (first one '57 3speed in 1963), current '92 Red LT1 > coupe 6 speed. 19 years as "Voice of the Raven's" (Bloomington Christian > High School) until cancer took voicebox. Great friends & family. KABONG > Do Not Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: paulrod36@msn.com > To: zenith-list > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:42 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.