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1. 02:23 AM - Re: Construction log (secatur)
2. 06:43 AM - Re: Construction log (Edward Moody II)
3. 06:54 AM - LRI Gauge --Bad Link (Doug Naylor)
4. 07:45 AM - Re: Construction log (aprazer)
5. 09:03 AM - Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among the best in the industry (Brett Hanley)
6. 09:30 AM - Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation (rickpitcher)
7. 09:42 AM - Re: Let's start a Wiki (Matt Dralle)
8. 09:57 AM - 601 NR#4 Problems (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
9. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Let's start a Wiki (was: Zenith's annoying documentation) (Matt Dralle)
10. 10:14 AM - Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (Tim Juhl)
11. 10:18 AM - Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (Big Gee)
12. 10:21 AM - Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (ZodieRocket)
13. 11:34 AM - Re: LRI Gauge --Bad Link (Dennis Shoup)
14. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation (Flydog1966@aol.com)
15. 12:27 PM - Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among the best in the industry (Tom Lutz)
16. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation (Dave Ruddiman)
17. 01:03 PM - Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (Edward Moody II)
18. 01:11 PM - Upper Longeron report (Bill Naumuk)
19. 02:24 PM - Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (TxDave)
20. 03:08 PM - Dzus Fastners, Idea Theft (Ron Lendon)
21. 04:22 PM - Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among the best in the industry (n801bh@netzero.com)
22. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (Bill Naumuk)
23. 05:15 PM - ARLINGTON (Dave Ruddiman)
24. 06:00 PM - XL Max Wind Landings (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
25. 06:02 PM - Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among the b (ashontz)
26. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (Edward Moody II)
27. 06:22 PM - Fuel tank selector (ashontz)
28. 06:33 PM - Re: XL Max Wind Landings (Dave Ruddiman)
29. 06:55 PM - Re: Fuel tank selector (Edward Moody II)
30. 07:36 PM - Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (TxDave)
31. 11:41 PM - Re: Dzus Fastners, Idea Theft (TxDave)
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| Subject: | Re: Construction log |
Hmmmm, I'm not a real good record keeper so I decided to support these pages and
get Kitlog Pro into the bargain for $50 !
Excellent idea of mine!
Kitlog Pro is EASY to use and up to the task of mandatory record keeping (at least
in Australia!) and sharing if you wish ! Too easy! and if you want more pictures
on a certain topic or area, just make another (or 50) entries! Too easy
!
As well, if Matt now owns it, support will undoubtedly be good!
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| Subject: | Re: Construction log |
What I did on my first airplane was to simply create an MS Word document
file. I wrote an entry every work session beginning with the date,
followed by a brief description of what I accomplished with attention
paid to justifying my work to an inspector at a later date. Each entry
ended in the amount of time I spent on that session, then a running
total of the cummulative time. I kept the photos in a totally separate
folder which was subdivided into tail, wings, fuselage etc. That worked
just fine so that's what I'm doing again this time. I'm sure there are
much slicker and more professional looking ways to do the same thing but
my way didn't require buying, installing, and learning a new program. It
took very little time to write entries each session as I progressed. The
project is enough of a time hog as it is without making it a vocation.
Dred
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From: Dave Ruddiman
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Construction log
<pacificpainting@comcast.net>
I think just about anyway you want to document your building will be
OK. You
are just supposed to prove that you built the plane. I have KitLog Pro
and
it works fine for me. Since procrastination is one of my best traits,
my log
only gets entered into when I feel like I really have to show
something for
the record. I think some of the guys have spent as long on their
websites
than I have in building my plane so far. That's great as far as I am
concerned because it can be very helpful no matter which model you are
building.
Good Luck
Dave - 801 builder in Salem
----- Original Message -----
From: "aprazer" <aprazer@cableone.net>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Construction log
>
> Greetings:
> I have been looking for an aircraft construction log -- found two;
My Kit
> Airplane and Kitlog Pro. MKA needs Microsoft Access (which I don't
have)
> and
> Kitlog Pro only takes three pictures per entry date and it is
available
> for any one on the internet to view. I have not kept very good
records and
> need to reconstruct. Does anyone have any recommendations?
> Mack
> 601XL in final stages
>
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> The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho
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| Subject: | LRI Gauge --Bad Link |
Guys,
The Surplus Center web link I provided again for someone who asked about the
inexpensive ($11.95 plus shipping) Dwyer Minihelic model 2-5002 differential
pressure gauges was bad for some reason (too long to fit on one line?).
Anyway, I'll provide the direct link again, but you may just have to go
directly to the Surplus Center website home page--
http://www.surpluscenter.com/home.asp?UID 07031708035275 and type in part
# 21-1623.
Direct link:
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 07030119454305&catname=wheels&qty=1&item=21-1623
As mentioned by Fritz yesterday, there are still 700+ of the gauges in
stock. Don't wait too long at this price! The Surplus Center doesn't
usually restock items once they are gone. --FYI, I am in NO WAY connected
to the Surplus Center.
One last time, information on building your own LRI Gauge/ AOA Lift Reserver
Indicator system can be found on the 601.org website (under "Builder
Resources")--
http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm Also, Scott Laughlin makes and
sells the LRI Pick-ups and the gauge face for $50. Scott Laughlin's website
link: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
Cheers,
Doug
>
>
>Time: 06:58:44 PM PST US
>From: Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: LRI gauge
>
>Folks,
>
> I just ordered my LRI gauge for $11.95, they still have 715 left.(see
>link below).
> http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID
>07031616355052&item=21-1623&catname
>
> I wished I'd had known about it when I had my 701, I just couldn't get
>use to
>that slow landing speed.
>
> Thanks for the info,
> Fritz 601XL, Corvair, 90/90 scratch builder
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| Subject: | Re: Construction log |
Thanks everyone!
Reply s were great! Looks like Kitlog Pro had the biggest following with word programs
and separate photo albums following second. I appreciate every ones comments.
Mack
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| Subject: | Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among the |
best in the industry
The current set of plans and manual are most likely among the best in the industry.
Plans and instructions on something so complex are NEVER one hundred percent
correct. Most likely your plane will not be one hundred percent like the
plan either. Every time I came up on a problem in the plans it turned out that
it was actually a bad interpretation on my part. Often that mistake was made
on an earlier part of the project. There are a few glitches in the plans.
As we become better craftsman we acquire an ability to spot the glitches from
a distance. Its just part of the learning curve. I have learned a lot in this
process.
Brett Hanley
N858BH
99.9% complete
First flight Thursday
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation |
n85ae wrote:
> I'm done with this thread. I think the Wiki idea is great, and provides a
> means for everybody to get there 2 cents into the docs.
>
> Jeff
Jeff, don't quit now when we're getting so close to the answer.
Is the manual really wrong, or did you simply misinterpret the photos?
thanks,
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Let's start a Wiki |
Tom, and Zenith Listers,
There is a very nice Wiki already available along with the Matronics Lists:
http://wiki.matronics.com
http://wiki.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Zenith
http://wiki.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Matronics:Community_Portal
There is a fair amount of stuff on the RV series and a number of other manufactures
there already, and someone has already started the framework for a nice Zenith
section! Check it out!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
At 09:39 AM 3/16/2007 Friday, you wrote:
>Has anyone considered starting a Wiki for each type of kit? A central collection
of all of your knowledge, photos, and experiences would be absolutely invaluable
to the new builder, and would provide excellent means of identifying discrepancies
and/or errors in the factory plans.
>
>For those of you unfamiliar with what a Wiki is...
>It is essentially a book written by a collective group of users, usually with little or no moderation. Anyone can edit anything and add their own input, or correct others' mistakes. See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki. A wiki can also be restricted to a subset of users (only registered Zenithair builders for example), to avoid spam.
>
>Some of the better Wiki's provide Microsoft Word-style editors for simplicity
(no HTML or coding knowledge necessary).
>
>Anyone else on board?
>
>-Tom
>
>
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| Subject: | 601 NR#4 Problems |
Hello Listers:
I'm building the right wing of my 601XL using the 15 gal. fuel tanks and
wing spars made for 12 gal. tanks. I never read in the prints or photo guide
the instruction to cut the bracket for NR#4 so I drilled out the rivets and
removed the bracket.
What kind of trouble did I get myself into? Am I screwed?
I appreciate all responses.
As always, thank you.
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601XL N458XL (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Let's start a Wiki (was: Zenith's annoying documentation) |
Looks like your UID is "Planecrazydld".
Matt
At 11:33 AM 3/16/2007 Friday, you wrote:
>I get the matronics list postings but when I tried to go to the wiki I could not
remember if I had a user or not. Does anyone remember the initiation into the
list to address the question on how to log in? Do I need to set up a(nother)
user to access the wiki?
>
>lwinger <larrywinger@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>You may already know this, but Matronics has set up a Wiki for our use, and it
is already divided by aircraft type (i.e. 601UL, 601HD, 601HDS, 601XL, 701, 801,
640, 200).
>
>The URL is http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Zenith
>
>--------
>Larry Winger
>Tustin, CA
>601XL #6493 from scratch
>Control surfaces complete/riveting center spar
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| Subject: | Re: 601 NR#4 Problems |
You're screwed......just kidding, I couldn't resist. If you haven't closed the
LE up yet I would suggest filling the hole if possible. A driven rivet would
be best but I think a bolt or machine screw would suffice....You might add
a little stiffener while you are at it but I don't think it matters.
I'm sure one of the more experienced guys on the group will give you other suggestions
as well.
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______________
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: 601 NR#4 Problems |
Tracy,
If I were you, I'd go straight to Zenith with this question---- Fritz
do not archive
Crvsecretary@aol.com wrote:
Hello Listers:
I'm building the right wing of my 601XL using the 15 gal. fuel tanks and wing
spars made for 12 gal. tanks. I never read in the prints or photo guide the
instruction to cut the bracket for NR#4 so I drilled out the rivets and removed
the bracket.
What kind of trouble did I get myself into? Am I screwed?
I appreciate all responses.
As always, thank you.
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601XL N458XL (reserved)
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| Subject: | 601 NR#4 Problems |
Your not screwed, Install rivets back in place of the ones you removed.
Same type in same hole. The caution is that a rivet that is drilled out
is not replaced, this is not acceptable. You must not leave a hole that
is not filled.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
HYPERLINK
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HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Crvsecretary@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 NR#4 Problems
Hello Listers:
I'm building the right wing of my 601XL using the 15 gal. fuel tanks and
wing spars made for 12 gal. tanks. I never read in the prints or photo
guide the instruction to cut the bracket for NR#4 so I drilled out the
rivets and removed the bracket.
What kind of trouble did I get myself into? Am I screwed?
I appreciate all responses.
As always, thank you.
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601XL N458XL (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: LRI Gauge --Bad Link |
The link workd fine for me. There were 699 remaining when I ordered mine.
Being an ex Navy pilot, I am a true believer in AOA.
Dennis
On 3/17/07, Doug Naylor <dugnaylor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Guys,
>
> The Surplus Center web link I provided again for someone who asked about
> the
> inexpensive ($11.95 plus shipping) Dwyer Minihelic model 2-5002
> differential
> pressure gauges was bad for some reason (too long to fit on one line?).
> Anyway, I'll provide the direct link again, but you may just have to go
> directly to the Surplus Center website home page--
> http://www.surpluscenter.com/home.asp?UID 07031708035275 and type in
> part
> # 21-1623.
>
> Direct link:
>
> http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 07030119454305&catname=wheels&qty=1&item=21-1623
>
> As mentioned by Fritz yesterday, there are still 700+ of the gauges in
> stock. Don't wait too long at this price! The Surplus Center doesn't
> usually restock items once they are gone. --FYI, I am in NO WAY connected
> to the Surplus Center.
>
> One last time, information on building your own LRI Gauge/ AOA Lift
> Reserver
> Indicator system can be found on the 601.org website (under "Builder
> Resources")--
> http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm Also, Scott Laughlin makes and
> sells the LRI Pick-ups and the gauge face for $50. Scott Laughlin's
> website
> link: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doug
>
> >
> >
> >Time: 06:58:44 PM PST US
> >From: Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com>
> >Subject: Zenith-List: LRI gauge
> >
> >Folks,
> >
> > I just ordered my LRI gauge for $11.95, they still have 715 left.(see
> >link below).
> > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID
> >07031616355052&item=21-1623&catname
> >
> > I wished I'd had known about it when I had my 701, I just couldn't get
> >use to
> >that slow landing speed.
> >
> > Thanks for the info,
> > Fritz 601XL, Corvair, 90/90 scratch builder
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation |
In a message dated 3/16/2007 6:28:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
n801bh@netzero.com writes:
Kinda like the black folks having the BET = Black Entertainment Television
and no one complains. If I started the White Entertainment Television network
it would take all of 2 seconds till Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton started
screaming racism.
Or how about starting a "White History Month"
But now we are way of subject,so god, please do not archive. Oops,
better not bring God into this either. : )
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among |
the best in the industry
Perhaps you'd like to deposit some of your wisdom on the wiki....
On 3/17/07, Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The current set of plans and manual are most likely among the best in the
> industry. Plans and instructions on something so complex are NEVER one
> hundred percent correct. Most likely your plane will not be one hundred
> percent like the plan either. Every time I came up on a problem in the
> plans it turned out that it was actually a bad interpretation on my part.
> Often that mistake was made on an earlier part of the project. There are a
> few glitches in the plans. As we become better craftsman we acquire an
> ability to spot the glitches from a distance. Its just part of the learning
> curve. I have learned a lot in this process.
>
> Brett Hanley
> N858BH
> 99.9% complete
> First flight Thursday
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation |
Now you did it. This isn't even closely aviation oriented. I want my
say. Being a 50+ "slightly over weight" white guy, I say we stand up for
out rights. Our demands have not been met, and I don't even know what
they are. Before anyone says anything about this response. Don't waste
your time reading it. If you did and don't like it, you should have been
working on your plane and not sitting at your computer. So, please
delete, don't whine and
DO NOT ARCHIVE
DAVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Flydog1966@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation
In a message dated 3/16/2007 6:28:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
n801bh@netzero.com writes:
Kinda like the black folks having the BET = Black Entertainment
Television and no one complains. If I started the White Entertainment
Television network it would take all of 2 seconds till Jesse Jackson and
Al Sharpton started screaming racism.
Or how about starting a "White History Month"
But now we are way of subject,so god, please do not archive.
Oops, better not bring God into this either. : )
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| Subject: | Re: 601 NR#4 Problems |
As long as you have already drilled out the rivets, check to see if you
can re-install the angle of the aft side of the spar. Do you have access
to a pneumatic riveter or a squeezer with the correct inserts? If not
wait until you have that done before blocking your access to both sides
of the spar at that point. Even if you just set rivets back in the holes
you will be fine. You'll make actual mistakes later on.... save the
sweat for those episodes.
Dred
----- Original Message -----
From: Crvsecretary@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:56 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 NR#4 Problems
Hello Listers:
I'm building the right wing of my 601XL using the 15 gal. fuel tanks
and wing spars made for 12 gal. tanks. I never read in the prints or
photo guide the instruction to cut the bracket for NR#4 so I drilled out
the rivets and removed the bracket.
What kind of trouble did I get myself into? Am I screwed?
I appreciate all responses.
As always, thank you.
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601XL N458XL (reserved)
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| Subject: | Upper Longeron report |
All-
Upper longerons are bent. Used Scott's jig and no template. No
matter what you say, getting ideas from the list is beneficial.
My take on it-
1. Whoever said this could be done using Larry Mac's method or a
variation in 1/2 hr is FOS. I came in right around 4 hrs., which is what
Larry logged.
2. If you're going with Scott's jig, use schedule 40 pipe. Even with
40 I had major distortion in the pipe. Schedule 30 would have collapsed
for sure.
3. If I were to do this again, I wouldn't use a jig. Just clamp the
same piece of 2" schedule 40 you have to use to bend the lower nose bowl
on your bench and have at it. Just pushing the extruded L against the
pipe, I could have finished both sides in a 1/2 hr
NOTE: LAY OUT THE TEMPLATE ON YOUR WORKBENCH FOR A REFERENCE..
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: 601 NR#4 Problems |
Gee whiz! I'm looking at that big 95mm lightening hole in my spar web and am wondering
how a tiny little rivet hole is going to create a problem. But then again,
I would listen to Mark Townsend. He certainly is more knowledgeable than
most of us amateurs on this forum.
do not archive
Dave Clay
601XL scratch builder
Temple, TX
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| Subject: | Dzus Fastners, Idea Theft |
Never did a DZUS before so I searched the archives and found much help there.
I am working on the Wing Locker and stole some ideas from the Archives. Made
up some washers from a plastic milk bottle and everything fits great.
Thanks for all the contributions gang.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among |
the best in the industry
>From one ' Bravo Hotel' to another, I wish you the best on your first fl
ight..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com> wrote:
The current set of plans and manual are most likely among the best in th
e industry. Plans and instructions on something so complex are NEVER on
e hundred percent correct. Most likely your plane will not be one hundr
ed percent like the plan either. Every time I came up on a problem in t
he plans it turned out that it was actually a bad interpretation on my p
art. Often that mistake was made on an earlier part of the project. Th
ere are a few glitches in the plans. As we become better craftsman we a
cquire an ability to spot the glitches from a distance. Its just part o
f the learning curve. I have learned a lot in this process.
Brett Hanley
N858BH
99.9% complete
First flight Thursday
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| Subject: | Re: 601 NR#4 Problems |
Mark and Jon are experts through the school of hard knocks. They've made
just as many mistakes as we have, and even show them on their DVDs. (Along
with ways to minimize the loss). Very refreshing. Listen to the voice of
experience!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:23 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 NR#4 Problems
>
> Gee whiz! I'm looking at that big 95mm lightening hole in my spar web and
> am wondering how a tiny little rivet hole is going to create a problem.
> But then again, I would listen to Mark Townsend. He certainly is more
> knowledgeable than most of us amateurs on this forum.
>
> do not archive
>
> Dave Clay
> 601XL scratch builder
> Temple, TX
> http://www.daves601xl.com
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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It may be a little early to think about air shows, but I need something
different to "waste my precious time" on and to read about. This may be
politically incorrect but, unless my wife divorces me and takes the
motor home, I will be there. Anyone that might be interested in sitting
around and drinking a bunch of beer and telling lies is invited.
Dave in sunny Salem
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| Subject: | XL Max Wind Landings |
Dear Thread Friends, I flew this morning. Had my bi-annual check ride.
Probably could have picked a better day. Bone jarring bumps up to 4000 feet and
a
painful cross wind for landing. When we took off it was 14 gusting to 20 kts. It
was obviously much worse an hour later upon return for landing. No flaps of
course, and a bit fast for rudder control, just as I flared the x-wind gust
tried real hard to flip the plane over. I had the wing way down, but nature took
over and forced it up. Max aileron would not even level her and I was bending
the stick and stretching cables. A burst of power and I got her up and going
again, level then finally got the wing down into the wind just a little for
touch down, still with max aileron, but landed on both mains. Not one and then
the other as I was trying to do for the extreme winds. When the ZAC folks say 20
kt max cross wind, believe me that's real ! A tad more and I would have
ended up in the pond. Happy flying and best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among |
the b
I think they're pretty good too. Only a few small snags so far.
[quote="n801bh(at)netzero.com"]From one ' Bravo Hotel' to another, I wish you the
best on your first flight..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Brett Hanley ?wrote:
The current set of plans and manual are most likely among the best in the industry.
Plans and instructions on something so complex are NEVER one hundred percent
correct. Most likely your plane will not be one hundred percent like the
plan either. Every time I came up on a problem in the plans it turned out
that it was actually a bad interpretation on my part. Often that mistake was
made on an earlier part of the project. There are a few glitches in the plans.
As we become better craftsman we acquire an ability to spot the glitches from
a distance. Its just part of the learning curve. I have learned a lot in
this process.
Brett Hanley
N858BH
99.9% complete
First flight Thursday
>
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: 601 NR#4 Problems |
I may be losing it but I don't recall a lightening hole in the spar web.
You don't perhaps mean the wingtip spar extension?
Dred
----- Original Message -----
From: TxDave
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:23 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 NR#4 Problems
Gee whiz! I'm looking at that big 95mm lightening hole in my spar web
and am wondering how a tiny little rivet hole is going to create a
problem. But then again, I would listen to Mark Townsend. He certainly
is more knowledgeable than most of us amateurs on this forum.
do not archive
Dave Clay
601XL scratch builder
Temple, TX
http://www.daves601xl.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101267#101267
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3/16/2007 12:12 PM
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| Subject: | Fuel tank selector |
Is there a fuel tank selector for the XL or does it feed off of boths tanks at
the same time? What exactly does the gascolator do? Is that it's function. Seems
to me if you're running on one particular tank and you do say a 360, that's
long enough for the fuel line to run dry if the tank it's feeding off of is the
high tank in the bank. Is this the case or not?
Thanks
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: XL Max Wind Landings |
So, what was the verdict from your passenger/BFI person.
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: XL Max Wind Landings
Dear Thread Friends, I flew this morning. Had my bi-annual check ride.
Probably could have picked a better day. Bone jarring bumps up to 4000
feet and a painful cross wind for landing. When we took off it was 14
gusting to 20 kts. It was obviously much worse an hour later upon return
for landing. No flaps of course, and a bit fast for rudder control, just
as I flared the x-wind gust tried real hard to flip the plane over. I
had the wing way down, but nature took over and forced it up. Max
aileron would not even level her and I was bending the stick and
stretching cables. A burst of power and I got her up and going again,
level then finally got the wing down into the wind just a little for
touch down, still with max aileron, but landed on both mains. Not one
and then the other as I was trying to do for the extreme winds. When the
ZAC folks say 20 kt max cross wind, believe me that's real ! A tad more
and I would have ended up in the pond. Happy flying and best regards,
Bill of Georgia
**************************************
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank selector |
(A) There is a fuel selector valve. It selects either tank or shuts off
both.
(B) The gascolator is a fuel filter/water separator device
(C) That doesn't happen unless you are very low on the selected tank and
don't coordinate the turn.
Dred
----- Original Message -----
From: ashontz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel tank selector
Is there a fuel tank selector for the XL or does it feed off of boths
tanks at the same time? What exactly does the gascolator do? Is that
it's function. Seems to me if you're running on one particular tank and
you do say a 360, that's long enough for the fuel line to run dry if the
tank it's feeding off of is the high tank in the bank. Is this the case
or not?
Thanks
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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3/17/2007 12:33 PM
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| Subject: | Re: 601 NR#4 Problems |
Hey Dred,
There's a 95mm flanged lightening hole in the outboard end of the spar web. There
is another in the tip extension. Page 6-W-3. Mark set me straight on the need
to address an unfilled rivet hole in the spar web. Like I told him, this airplane
building business is a continual learning process. Aren't we fortunate
to have this forum?
do not archive
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Dzus Fastners, Idea Theft |
Hey Ron,
Thanks for taking the time to research this clever idea. I installed the Dzus fasteners
on my wing locker recently, so this was timely advice for me. Of course,
you executed the concept to perfection.
do not archive
Dave Clay
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