---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/17/07: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:23 AM - Re: Construction log (secatur) 2. 06:43 AM - Re: Construction log (Edward Moody II) 3. 06:54 AM - LRI Gauge --Bad Link (Doug Naylor) 4. 07:45 AM - Re: Construction log (aprazer) 5. 09:03 AM - Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among the best in the industry (Brett Hanley) 6. 09:30 AM - Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation (rickpitcher) 7. 09:42 AM - Re: Let's start a Wiki (Matt Dralle) 8. 09:57 AM - 601 NR#4 Problems (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 9. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Let's start a Wiki (was: Zenith's annoying documentation) (Matt Dralle) 10. 10:14 AM - Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (Tim Juhl) 11. 10:18 AM - Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (Big Gee) 12. 10:21 AM - Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (ZodieRocket) 13. 11:34 AM - Re: LRI Gauge --Bad Link (Dennis Shoup) 14. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation (Flydog1966@aol.com) 15. 12:27 PM - Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among the best in the industry (Tom Lutz) 16. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation (Dave Ruddiman) 17. 01:03 PM - Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (Edward Moody II) 18. 01:11 PM - Upper Longeron report (Bill Naumuk) 19. 02:24 PM - Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (TxDave) 20. 03:08 PM - Dzus Fastners, Idea Theft (Ron Lendon) 21. 04:22 PM - Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among the best in the industry (n801bh@netzero.com) 22. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (Bill Naumuk) 23. 05:15 PM - ARLINGTON (Dave Ruddiman) 24. 06:00 PM - XL Max Wind Landings (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 25. 06:02 PM - Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among the b (ashontz) 26. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (Edward Moody II) 27. 06:22 PM - Fuel tank selector (ashontz) 28. 06:33 PM - Re: XL Max Wind Landings (Dave Ruddiman) 29. 06:55 PM - Re: Fuel tank selector (Edward Moody II) 30. 07:36 PM - Re: 601 NR#4 Problems (TxDave) 31. 11:41 PM - Re: Dzus Fastners, Idea Theft (TxDave) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:34 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Construction log From: "secatur" Hmmmm, I'm not a real good record keeper so I decided to support these pages and get Kitlog Pro into the bargain for $50 ! Excellent idea of mine! Kitlog Pro is EASY to use and up to the task of mandatory record keeping (at least in Australia!) and sharing if you wish ! Too easy! and if you want more pictures on a certain topic or area, just make another (or 50) entries! Too easy ! As well, if Matt now owns it, support will undoubtedly be good! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101182#101182 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:59 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Construction log What I did on my first airplane was to simply create an MS Word document file. I wrote an entry every work session beginning with the date, followed by a brief description of what I accomplished with attention paid to justifying my work to an inspector at a later date. Each entry ended in the amount of time I spent on that session, then a running total of the cummulative time. I kept the photos in a totally separate folder which was subdivided into tail, wings, fuselage etc. That worked just fine so that's what I'm doing again this time. I'm sure there are much slicker and more professional looking ways to do the same thing but my way didn't require buying, installing, and learning a new program. It took very little time to write entries each session as I progressed. The project is enough of a time hog as it is without making it a vocation. Dred ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Ruddiman To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Construction log I think just about anyway you want to document your building will be OK. You are just supposed to prove that you built the plane. I have KitLog Pro and it works fine for me. Since procrastination is one of my best traits, my log only gets entered into when I feel like I really have to show something for the record. I think some of the guys have spent as long on their websites than I have in building my plane so far. That's great as far as I am concerned because it can be very helpful no matter which model you are building. Good Luck Dave - 801 builder in Salem ----- Original Message ----- From: "aprazer" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Construction log > > Greetings: > I have been looking for an aircraft construction log -- found two; My Kit > Airplane and Kitlog Pro. MKA needs Microsoft Access (which I don't have) > and > Kitlog Pro only takes three pictures per entry date and it is available > for any one on the internet to view. I have not kept very good records and > need to reconstruct. Does anyone have any recommendations? > Mack > 601XL in final stages > > -------- > The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101026#101026 > > > > > > > > > > > -- 3/16/2007 12:12 PM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:19 AM PST US From: "Doug Naylor" Subject: Zenith-List: LRI Gauge --Bad Link Guys, The Surplus Center web link I provided again for someone who asked about the inexpensive ($11.95 plus shipping) Dwyer Minihelic model 2-5002 differential pressure gauges was bad for some reason (too long to fit on one line?). Anyway, I'll provide the direct link again, but you may just have to go directly to the Surplus Center website home page-- http://www.surpluscenter.com/home.asp?UID 07031708035275 and type in part # 21-1623. Direct link: http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 07030119454305&catname=wheels&qty=1&item=21-1623 As mentioned by Fritz yesterday, there are still 700+ of the gauges in stock. Don't wait too long at this price! The Surplus Center doesn't usually restock items once they are gone. --FYI, I am in NO WAY connected to the Surplus Center. One last time, information on building your own LRI Gauge/ AOA Lift Reserver Indicator system can be found on the 601.org website (under "Builder Resources")-- http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm Also, Scott Laughlin makes and sells the LRI Pick-ups and the gauge face for $50. Scott Laughlin's website link: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/ Cheers, Doug > > >Time: 06:58:44 PM PST US >From: Big Gee >Subject: Zenith-List: LRI gauge > >Folks, > > I just ordered my LRI gauge for $11.95, they still have 715 left.(see >link below). > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID >07031616355052&item=21-1623&catname > > I wished I'd had known about it when I had my 701, I just couldn't get >use to >that slow landing speed. > > Thanks for the info, > Fritz 601XL, Corvair, 90/90 scratch builder _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN Presents today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:36 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Construction log From: "aprazer" Thanks everyone! Reply s were great! Looks like Kitlog Pro had the biggest following with word programs and separate photo albums following second. I appreciate every ones comments. Mack -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101216#101216 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:42 AM PST US From: Brett Hanley Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among the best in the industry The current set of plans and manual are most likely among the best in the industry. Plans and instructions on something so complex are NEVER one hundred percent correct. Most likely your plane will not be one hundred percent like the plan either. Every time I came up on a problem in the plans it turned out that it was actually a bad interpretation on my part. Often that mistake was made on an earlier part of the project. There are a few glitches in the plans. As we become better craftsman we acquire an ability to spot the glitches from a distance. Its just part of the learning curve. I have learned a lot in this process. Brett Hanley N858BH 99.9% complete First flight Thursday ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:19 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation From: "rickpitcher" n85ae wrote: > I'm done with this thread. I think the Wiki idea is great, and provides a > means for everybody to get there 2 cents into the docs. > > Jeff Jeff, don't quit now when we're getting so close to the answer. Is the manual really wrong, or did you simply misinterpret the photos? thanks, Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101228#101228 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:48 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Let's start a Wiki Tom, and Zenith Listers, There is a very nice Wiki already available along with the Matronics Lists: http://wiki.matronics.com http://wiki.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Zenith http://wiki.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Matronics:Community_Portal There is a fair amount of stuff on the RV series and a number of other manufactures there already, and someone has already started the framework for a nice Zenith section! Check it out! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin At 09:39 AM 3/16/2007 Friday, you wrote: >Has anyone considered starting a Wiki for each type of kit? A central collection of all of your knowledge, photos, and experiences would be absolutely invaluable to the new builder, and would provide excellent means of identifying discrepancies and/or errors in the factory plans. > >For those of you unfamiliar with what a Wiki is... >It is essentially a book written by a collective group of users, usually with little or no moderation. Anyone can edit anything and add their own input, or correct others' mistakes. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki. A wiki can also be restricted to a subset of users (only registered Zenithair builders for example), to avoid spam. > >Some of the better Wiki's provide Microsoft Word-style editors for simplicity (no HTML or coding knowledge necessary). > >Anyone else on board? > >-Tom > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:35 AM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 601 NR#4 Problems Hello Listers: I'm building the right wing of my 601XL using the 15 gal. fuel tanks and wing spars made for 12 gal. tanks. I never read in the prints or photo guide the instruction to cut the bracket for NR#4 so I drilled out the rivets and removed the bracket. What kind of trouble did I get myself into? Am I screwed? I appreciate all responses. As always, thank you. Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601XL N458XL (reserved) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:25 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Let's start a Wiki (was: Zenith's annoying documentation) Looks like your UID is "Planecrazydld". Matt At 11:33 AM 3/16/2007 Friday, you wrote: >I get the matronics list postings but when I tried to go to the wiki I could not remember if I had a user or not. Does anyone remember the initiation into the list to address the question on how to log in? Do I need to set up a(nother) user to access the wiki? > >lwinger wrote: > >You may already know this, but Matronics has set up a Wiki for our use, and it is already divided by aircraft type (i.e. 601UL, 601HD, 601HDS, 601XL, 701, 801, 640, 200). > >The URL is http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Zenith > >-------- >Larry Winger >Tustin, CA >601XL #6493 from scratch >Control surfaces complete/riveting center spar > > >Read this topic online > >Looking for earth-friendly autos? >Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:10 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 NR#4 Problems From: "Tim Juhl" You're screwed......just kidding, I couldn't resist. If you haven't closed the LE up yet I would suggest filling the hole if possible. A driven rivet would be best but I think a bolt or machine screw would suffice....You might add a little stiffener while you are at it but I don't think it matters. I'm sure one of the more experienced guys on the group will give you other suggestions as well. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101238#101238 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:04 AM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 NR#4 Problems Tracy, If I were you, I'd go straight to Zenith with this question---- Fritz do not archive Crvsecretary@aol.com wrote: Hello Listers: I'm building the right wing of my 601XL using the 15 gal. fuel tanks and wing spars made for 12 gal. tanks. I never read in the prints or photo guide the instruction to cut the bracket for NR#4 so I drilled out the rivets and removed the bracket. What kind of trouble did I get myself into? Am I screwed? I appreciate all responses. As always, thank you. Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601XL N458XL (reserved) --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:53 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 NR#4 Problems Your not screwed, Install rivets back in place of the ones you removed. Same type in same hole. The caution is that a rivet that is drilled out is not replaced, this is not acceptable. You must not leave a hole that is not filled. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Crvsecretary@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 601 NR#4 Problems Hello Listers: I'm building the right wing of my 601XL using the 15 gal. fuel tanks and wing spars made for 12 gal. tanks. I never read in the prints or photo guide the instruction to cut the bracket for NR#4 so I drilled out the rivets and removed the bracket. What kind of trouble did I get myself into? Am I screwed? I appreciate all responses. As always, thank you. Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601XL N458XL (reserved) _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at HYPERLINK "http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000339" \nAOL.com. "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com -- 3/17/2007 12:33 PM -- 3/17/2007 12:33 PM ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:53 AM PST US From: "Dennis Shoup" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Gauge --Bad Link The link workd fine for me. There were 699 remaining when I ordered mine. Being an ex Navy pilot, I am a true believer in AOA. Dennis On 3/17/07, Doug Naylor wrote: > > > Guys, > > The Surplus Center web link I provided again for someone who asked about > the > inexpensive ($11.95 plus shipping) Dwyer Minihelic model 2-5002 > differential > pressure gauges was bad for some reason (too long to fit on one line?). > Anyway, I'll provide the direct link again, but you may just have to go > directly to the Surplus Center website home page-- > http://www.surpluscenter.com/home.asp?UID 07031708035275 and type in > part > # 21-1623. > > Direct link: > > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 07030119454305&catname=wheels&qty=1&item=21-1623 > > As mentioned by Fritz yesterday, there are still 700+ of the gauges in > stock. Don't wait too long at this price! The Surplus Center doesn't > usually restock items once they are gone. --FYI, I am in NO WAY connected > to the Surplus Center. > > One last time, information on building your own LRI Gauge/ AOA Lift > Reserver > Indicator system can be found on the 601.org website (under "Builder > Resources")-- > http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm Also, Scott Laughlin makes and > sells the LRI Pick-ups and the gauge face for $50. Scott Laughlin's > website > link: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/ > > Cheers, > > Doug > > > > > > >Time: 06:58:44 PM PST US > >From: Big Gee > >Subject: Zenith-List: LRI gauge > > > >Folks, > > > > I just ordered my LRI gauge for $11.95, they still have 715 left.(see > >link below). > > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID > >07031616355052&item=21-1623&catname > > > > I wished I'd had known about it when I had my 701, I just couldn't get > >use to > >that slow landing speed. > > > > Thanks for the info, > > Fritz 601XL, Corvair, 90/90 scratch builder > > _________________________________________________________________ > Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN > Presents today. > > http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:34 AM PST US From: Flydog1966@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation In a message dated 3/16/2007 6:28:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, n801bh@netzero.com writes: Kinda like the black folks having the BET = Black Entertainment Television and no one complains. If I started the White Entertainment Television network it would take all of 2 seconds till Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton started screaming racism. Or how about starting a "White History Month" But now we are way of subject,so god, please do not archive. Oops, better not bring God into this either. : ) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:12 PM PST US From: "Tom Lutz" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among the best in the industry Perhaps you'd like to deposit some of your wisdom on the wiki.... On 3/17/07, Brett Hanley wrote: > > The current set of plans and manual are most likely among the best in the > industry. Plans and instructions on something so complex are NEVER one > hundred percent correct. Most likely your plane will not be one hundred > percent like the plan either. Every time I came up on a problem in the > plans it turned out that it was actually a bad interpretation on my part. > Often that mistake was made on an earlier part of the project. There are a > few glitches in the plans. As we become better craftsman we acquire an > ability to spot the glitches from a distance. Its just part of the learning > curve. I have learned a lot in this process. > > Brett Hanley > N858BH > 99.9% complete > First flight Thursday > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:53 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation Now you did it. This isn't even closely aviation oriented. I want my say. Being a 50+ "slightly over weight" white guy, I say we stand up for out rights. Our demands have not been met, and I don't even know what they are. Before anyone says anything about this response. Don't waste your time reading it. If you did and don't like it, you should have been working on your plane and not sitting at your computer. So, please delete, don't whine and DO NOT ARCHIVE DAVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Flydog1966@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation In a message dated 3/16/2007 6:28:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, n801bh@netzero.com writes: Kinda like the black folks having the BET = Black Entertainment Television and no one complains. If I started the White Entertainment Television network it would take all of 2 seconds till Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton started screaming racism. Or how about starting a "White History Month" But now we are way of subject,so god, please do not archive. Oops, better not bring God into this either. : ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:07 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 NR#4 Problems As long as you have already drilled out the rivets, check to see if you can re-install the angle of the aft side of the spar. Do you have access to a pneumatic riveter or a squeezer with the correct inserts? If not wait until you have that done before blocking your access to both sides of the spar at that point. Even if you just set rivets back in the holes you will be fine. You'll make actual mistakes later on.... save the sweat for those episodes. Dred ----- Original Message ----- From: Crvsecretary@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 601 NR#4 Problems Hello Listers: I'm building the right wing of my 601XL using the 15 gal. fuel tanks and wing spars made for 12 gal. tanks. I never read in the prints or photo guide the instruction to cut the bracket for NR#4 so I drilled out the rivets and removed the bracket. What kind of trouble did I get myself into? Am I screwed? I appreciate all responses. As always, thank you. Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601XL N458XL (reserved) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 3/16/2007 12:12 PM ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:23 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Upper Longeron report All- Upper longerons are bent. Used Scott's jig and no template. No matter what you say, getting ideas from the list is beneficial. My take on it- 1. Whoever said this could be done using Larry Mac's method or a variation in 1/2 hr is FOS. I came in right around 4 hrs., which is what Larry logged. 2. If you're going with Scott's jig, use schedule 40 pipe. Even with 40 I had major distortion in the pipe. Schedule 30 would have collapsed for sure. 3. If I were to do this again, I wouldn't use a jig. Just clamp the same piece of 2" schedule 40 you have to use to bend the lower nose bowl on your bench and have at it. Just pushing the extruded L against the pipe, I could have finished both sides in a 1/2 hr NOTE: LAY OUT THE TEMPLATE ON YOUR WORKBENCH FOR A REFERENCE.. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:27 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 NR#4 Problems From: "TxDave" Gee whiz! I'm looking at that big 95mm lightening hole in my spar web and am wondering how a tiny little rivet hole is going to create a problem. But then again, I would listen to Mark Townsend. He certainly is more knowledgeable than most of us amateurs on this forum. do not archive Dave Clay 601XL scratch builder Temple, TX http://www.daves601xl.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101267#101267 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Dzus Fastners, Idea Theft From: "Ron Lendon" Never did a DZUS before so I searched the archives and found much help there. I am working on the Wing Locker and stole some ideas from the Archives. Made up some washers from a plastic milk bottle and everything fits great. Thanks for all the contributions gang. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101276#101276 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:26 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among the best in the industry >From one ' Bravo Hotel' to another, I wish you the best on your first fl ight.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Brett Hanley wrote: The current set of plans and manual are most likely among the best in th e industry. Plans and instructions on something so complex are NEVER on e hundred percent correct. Most likely your plane will not be one hundr ed percent like the plan either. Every time I came up on a problem in t he plans it turned out that it was actually a bad interpretation on my p art. Often that mistake was made on an earlier part of the project. Th ere are a few glitches in the plans. As we become better craftsman we a cquire an ability to spot the glitches from a distance. Its just part o f the learning curve. I have learned a lot in this process. Brett Hanley N858BH 99.9% complete First flight Thursday ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ========================

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The current set of plans and manual are most likely among the best in the industry.  Plans and instructions on something so complex ar e NEVER one hundred percent correct.  Most likely your plane will n ot be one hundred percent like the plan either.  Every time I came up on a problem in the plans it turned out that it was actually a bad in terpretation on my part.  Often that mistake was made on an earlier part of the project.  There are a few glitches in the plans.  As we become better craftsman we acquire an ability to spot the glitche s from a distance.  Its just part of the learning curve. I  ha ve learned a lot in this process.

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________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:34 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 NR#4 Problems Mark and Jon are experts through the school of hard knocks. They've made just as many mistakes as we have, and even show them on their DVDs. (Along with ways to minimize the loss). Very refreshing. Listen to the voice of experience! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "TxDave" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:23 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 NR#4 Problems > > Gee whiz! I'm looking at that big 95mm lightening hole in my spar web and > am wondering how a tiny little rivet hole is going to create a problem. > But then again, I would listen to Mark Townsend. He certainly is more > knowledgeable than most of us amateurs on this forum. > > do not archive > > Dave Clay > 601XL scratch builder > Temple, TX > http://www.daves601xl.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101267#101267 > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:48 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Zenith-List: ARLINGTON It may be a little early to think about air shows, but I need something different to "waste my precious time" on and to read about. This may be politically incorrect but, unless my wife divorces me and takes the motor home, I will be there. Anyone that might be interested in sitting around and drinking a bunch of beer and telling lies is invited. Dave in sunny Salem ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:14 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: XL Max Wind Landings Dear Thread Friends, I flew this morning. Had my bi-annual check ride. Probably could have picked a better day. Bone jarring bumps up to 4000 feet and a painful cross wind for landing. When we took off it was 14 gusting to 20 kts. It was obviously much worse an hour later upon return for landing. No flaps of course, and a bit fast for rudder control, just as I flared the x-wind gust tried real hard to flip the plane over. I had the wing way down, but nature took over and forced it up. Max aileron would not even level her and I was bending the stick and stretching cables. A burst of power and I got her up and going again, level then finally got the wing down into the wind just a little for touch down, still with max aileron, but landed on both mains. Not one and then the other as I was trying to do for the extreme winds. When the ZAC folks say 20 kt max cross wind, believe me that's real ! A tad more and I would have ended up in the pond. Happy flying and best regards, Bill of Georgia ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:17 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation is most likely among the b From: "ashontz" I think they're pretty good too. Only a few small snags so far. [quote="n801bh(at)netzero.com"]From one ' Bravo Hotel' to another, I wish you the best on your first flight.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Brett Hanley ?wrote: The current set of plans and manual are most likely among the best in the industry. Plans and instructions on something so complex are NEVER one hundred percent correct. Most likely your plane will not be one hundred percent like the plan either. Every time I came up on a problem in the plans it turned out that it was actually a bad interpretation on my part. Often that mistake was made on an earlier part of the project. There are a few glitches in the plans. As we become better craftsman we acquire an ability to spot the glitches from a distance. Its just part of the learning curve. I have learned a lot in this process. Brett Hanley N858BH 99.9% complete First flight Thursday > > > =================================== > ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > =================================== > tronics.com > =================================== > > [b] -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101306#101306 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:47 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 NR#4 Problems I may be losing it but I don't recall a lightening hole in the spar web. You don't perhaps mean the wingtip spar extension? Dred ----- Original Message ----- From: TxDave To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 NR#4 Problems Gee whiz! I'm looking at that big 95mm lightening hole in my spar web and am wondering how a tiny little rivet hole is going to create a problem. But then again, I would listen to Mark Townsend. He certainly is more knowledgeable than most of us amateurs on this forum. do not archive Dave Clay 601XL scratch builder Temple, TX http://www.daves601xl.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101267#101267 -- 3/16/2007 12:12 PM ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:59 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel tank selector From: "ashontz" Is there a fuel tank selector for the XL or does it feed off of boths tanks at the same time? What exactly does the gascolator do? Is that it's function. Seems to me if you're running on one particular tank and you do say a 360, that's long enough for the fuel line to run dry if the tank it's feeding off of is the high tank in the bank. Is this the case or not? Thanks -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101311#101311 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:38 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Max Wind Landings So, what was the verdict from your passenger/BFI person. ----- Original Message ----- From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: Zenith-List: XL Max Wind Landings Dear Thread Friends, I flew this morning. Had my bi-annual check ride. Probably could have picked a better day. Bone jarring bumps up to 4000 feet and a painful cross wind for landing. When we took off it was 14 gusting to 20 kts. It was obviously much worse an hour later upon return for landing. No flaps of course, and a bit fast for rudder control, just as I flared the x-wind gust tried real hard to flip the plane over. I had the wing way down, but nature took over and forced it up. Max aileron would not even level her and I was bending the stick and stretching cables. A burst of power and I got her up and going again, level then finally got the wing down into the wind just a little for touch down, still with max aileron, but landed on both mains. Not one and then the other as I was trying to do for the extreme winds. When the ZAC folks say 20 kt max cross wind, believe me that's real ! A tad more and I would have ended up in the pond. Happy flying and best regards, Bill of Georgia ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:16 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel tank selector (A) There is a fuel selector valve. It selects either tank or shuts off both. (B) The gascolator is a fuel filter/water separator device (C) That doesn't happen unless you are very low on the selected tank and don't coordinate the turn. Dred ----- Original Message ----- From: ashontz To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel tank selector Is there a fuel tank selector for the XL or does it feed off of boths tanks at the same time? What exactly does the gascolator do? Is that it's function. Seems to me if you're running on one particular tank and you do say a 360, that's long enough for the fuel line to run dry if the tank it's feeding off of is the high tank in the bank. Is this the case or not? Thanks -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101311#101311 -- 3/17/2007 12:33 PM ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:05 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 NR#4 Problems From: "TxDave" Hey Dred, There's a 95mm flanged lightening hole in the outboard end of the spar web. There is another in the tip extension. Page 6-W-3. Mark set me straight on the need to address an unfilled rivet hole in the spar web. Like I told him, this airplane building business is a continual learning process. Aren't we fortunate to have this forum? do not archive Dave Clay Temple, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101326#101326 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:36 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Dzus Fastners, Idea Theft From: "TxDave" Hey Ron, Thanks for taking the time to research this clever idea. I installed the Dzus fasteners on my wing locker recently, so this was timely advice for me. Of course, you executed the concept to perfection. do not archive Dave Clay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101343#101343 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.