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1. 04:14 AM - Re: xxx Re: Re: Fuel tank selector (John Bolding)
2. 06:10 AM - Re: Wa'hoppen? (Gig Giacona)
3. 06:17 AM - Re: Crosswind landings (Elizabeth & Martin Bima)
4. 06:32 AM - Re: Re: Crosswind landings (Bryan Martin)
5. 06:42 AM - Tony Graziano (Aaron Gustafson)
6. 07:42 AM - Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation (n85ae)
7. 08:01 AM - test - please delete (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
8. 09:30 AM - Jury struts full of water (Keystone Engineering LLC)
9. 09:49 AM - Cortec Safety Concerns (Tom Lutz)
10. 09:53 AM - Clamp Types (Tom Lutz)
11. 09:54 AM - Re: Cortec Safety Concerns (n85ae)
12. 09:57 AM - Re: Cortec Safety Concerns (n85ae)
13. 10:15 AM - Re: Clamp Types (Jaybannist@cs.com)
14. 10:44 AM - pitot tube / LRI probe location (Big Gee)
15. 12:48 PM - Re: Cortec Safety Concerns (David Downey)
16. 12:48 PM - Re: Cortec Safety Concerns (David Downey)
17. 01:34 PM - Pitot/Static Routing (Jaybannist@cs.com)
18. 02:11 PM - Re: Clamp Types (Gig Giacona)
19. 02:17 PM - Re: Pitot/Static Routing ()
20. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Clamp Types (JG)
21. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: Clamp Types (JG)
22. 04:07 PM - OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location (AZFlyer)
23. 04:53 PM - Re: OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location (Bryan Martin)
24. 05:02 PM - Re: Pitot/Static Routing (Juan Vega)
25. 05:11 PM - Re: Clamp Types (David Downey)
26. 05:12 PM - Center Arm Rest (Bill Naumuk)
27. 05:50 PM - Re: OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location (LarryMcFarland)
28. 06:00 PM - Re: Dzus Fastners, Idea Theft (Ron Lendon)
29. 06:05 PM - Re: Center Arm Rest (LarryMcFarland)
30. 06:11 PM - Zenith Rudder Design (rbjjr)
31. 06:26 PM - Re: Zenith Rudder Design (Bryan Martin)
32. 06:26 PM - Re: OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location (ZodieRocket)
33. 06:49 PM - Re: OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location (ZodieRocket)
34. 08:00 PM - Re: OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location (Edward Moody II)
35. 08:14 PM - Re: OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location (Jeff)
36. 08:23 PM - LRI positioning (mike macleod)
37. 09:31 PM - Re:LRI gauge (Dave and Pam Fisher)
38. 09:50 PM - Construction Logs made easy! (Joe)
39. 10:19 PM - Re: Construction Logs made easy! (NYTerminat@aol.com)
40. 11:38 PM - Re: Construction Logs made easy! (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank selector |
David, Glasair ended up going that direction, have them (one way
gates) in mine. I ended up with an 8 gal header (one hr reserve,
plenty long enough to find a parking spot if I lose electrical) and run
the pump from the wing tanks to the header full time. Gravity to the
carb from the header. , Header overflows back to the wing tanks when
full. If I'm asleep and not paying attention, a light goes on when the
wing runs dry, shut off the pump and find an airport. Been told Lancair
uses the same system but have no buddies that have them so can't make a
positive statement there. LOW&SLOW John
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From: David Downey
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 8:51 PM
Subject: xxx Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel tank selector
since I have been considering building the tanks as ProSealed riveted
structure, I had been wondering if baffle panels with the swinging one
way valves like in all the bigger twins and Citations from Cessna use
would be any advantage, They are not really fuel tight but they have a
grossly differential leak rate across the baffle plates so the the fuel
is coaxed to stay inboard at all times as it is depleted
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Check you SPAM folder either the one on your computer or at your provider. They
same happened to me a few years back.
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Crosswind landings |
for 701 builders and flyers,
When landing in crosswinds that exceed 20 knots, land across the width of the runway.
Martin Bima
STOL-Freak
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| Subject: | Re: Crosswind landings |
Pilot: Man, that's a short runway!
Copilot: But look how wide it is!
> <embima@mts.net>
>
>
> for 701 builders and flyers,
>
> When landing in crosswinds that exceed 20 knots, land across the
> width of the runway.
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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Tony Graziano
Please contact me off list. I have a simple request of you.
Aaron Gustafson agustafson@chartermi.net do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith's Annoying Documentation |
rickpitcher wrote:
>
> n85ae wrote:
> > I'm done with this thread. I think the Wiki idea is great, and provides a
> > means for everybody to get there 2 cents into the docs.
> >
> > Jeff
>
>
> Jeff, don't quit now when we're getting so close to the answer.
> Is the manual really wrong, or did you simply misinterpret the photos?
>
> thanks,
> Rick
Yes the manual is a mess, but the this thread is dipping way too much into negativity
(I admit I started it), so I just want to move on to something else.
Plus this is a thread that's a lot like the movie Braveheart with one side
screaming "Zenith is great!" and us on the other side yelling, "the
manuals stink!". I for one am too lazy to get up from the computer to
go grab up my axe, so I'm moving along. :)
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | test - please delete |
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| Subject: | Jury struts full of water |
My 801 has probably spent 30 days out of the hanger over the last 3 years. Much
of that in rainy weather. Thank goodness the water that came out was clear.
This means I did a fairly good job of painting the inside of the tubes. One
concern I have is, I do not keep the heat on in my hanger and it was 20 degrees
when I found the water. The heat from drilling the hole melted enough water
for it to pour out. There was at least 1" of water above bottom of the tubes.
I talked to Jim Frisby about this 801 and he said he had his spilt jury struts
split from the frozen water. I don't know when he noticed them. He is off on
a new adventure at this time.
My recommendation stands, drill a small hole in the bottom of the jury strut to
allow any water that accumulates to weep out.
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
Valdez, Alaska
still installing lift strut fairings.
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| Subject: | Cortec Safety Concerns |
I just ordered some Cortec from Zenith. I tried to grab an MSDS sheet from
Cortec (http://www.cortecvci.com/Products/products.php?showonly=HighPerfCoat),
but I had to sign up for an account and am waiting approval. Can someone
forward me the MSDS or a list of the safety equipment needed to use this
stuff?
Thanks,
Tom
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Does it matter what type of spring-loaded clamps I use? I assume Zinc alloy
is better than steel for this work. Can someone please check this page (
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/to/clampingtools.html) and tell me what
clamps, if any, to avoid?
Thanks in advance,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec Safety Concerns |
Here's my notes for using Cortec. It's about as nasty as Latex house
paint for smell so I don't wear anything.
Regards,
Jeff
Thinning, thin using denatured alchohol to the consistency of 2 percent milk. Zenith
uses it thick, however this is contrary to the manufacturers specification,
and is a mistake.
Cortec Spec- VpCI-373 is applied at an extremely thin thickness of 0.5-1.0 mil
(12.5-25 microns) DFT.
How thin? I mix the stuff from Zenith about 25-50% with alchohol to get the product
to where it works well.
Thinning with water alone does not work very well, as the product does not adhere
as well. 50/50 alchohol/distilled water works ok.
Parts pre-cleaning.
Small parts I hand wash with hot water, dishwashing detergent, and scotchbrite
pads in the basement sink. Rinse well. Cortec can be applied without having to
dry the parts.
Winter - I use windhield washer fluid (it is simply methanol and water at a cheap
price), and scotchbrite pad's. Scrub the parts clean. Wipe off the residue
with a washer fluid wetted rag. Final wipe with denatured alhohol.
Summer - Hot soapy water, and scotchbrite pads outdoors, then rinse with the hose.
Wipe with denatured alchohol.
Application - I apply the product via disposable paint brushes. It will tun a hazy
blue as it dries. Then will turn clear.
Cleanup - Removes with MEK quite easily when dried.
Notes - Gasoline, and avgas will dissolve it. So it must be topcoated if exposed
to fuel. It will soften if it is continuously wet, so exposed areas should be
topcoated as well.
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec Safety Concerns |
Do a google search on "cortec 373" you'll find the official docs online
without the account.
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Tom,
I have found that most spring-loaded clamps are only good for situations where
they are expected to be about as effective as the clamping you would get between
your thumb and forefinger. This is not a put-down. There are plenty of situations
where they are useful and handy. The same goes for those plastic, squeeze
ratchet types. Because of the relatively low pressures and short-term use,
I don't think the type of metal is critical.
If you need really tight, secure clamping, use vice-grip types or screw types.
Jay in Dallas
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"Tom Lutz" <tommylutz@gmail.com> wrote:
>Does it matter what type of spring-loaded clamps I use? I assume Zinc alloy
>is better than steel for this work. Can someone please check this page (
>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/to/clampingtools.html) and tell me what
>clamps, if any, to avoid?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Tom
>
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| Subject: | pitot tube / LRI probe location |
I would like to pass on where I located my pitot tube and where I will be locating
my LRI probe, also the reason why.
My pitot tube is built as per design on page 6-W-9. I did not locate it at rib
# 5 as per plans. Instead, I located it forward of the access cover shown
on 6-W-9 -3 in the left wing. It is located 150mm aft of spar cap riviet line
as per plans. Instead of 4 rivets to mount it, I used four, 3/16 bolts ( I know,
I added weight). The reason for this is, I can reach in through the access
hole to install and remove the pitot tube when removing and installling the
wings. I am afraid that with the pitot tube riveted on, sooner or later it would
get bent during wing removal.
Right now I plan on installing my LRI probe, forward of the access panel on the
right wing, using the same mounting procedures. The small hole for it to exit
the wing, will be just a little aft of the wing spar cap and close to RR
# 7. According to my math, this should place it well within the limits of 15-30%
of the cord of the wing.
Fritz XL-- 90%done/90% to go--- Corvair -- scratch builder
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec Safety Concerns |
2nd MSDS
Tom Lutz <tommylutz@gmail.com> wrote: I just ordered some Cortec from Zenith. I tried to grab an MSDS sheet from Cortec (http://www.cortecvci.com/Products/products.php?showonly=HighPerfCoat ), but I had to sign up for an account and am waiting approval. Can someone forward me the MSDS or a list of the safety equipment needed to use this stuff?
Thanks,
Tom
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec Safety Concerns |
This is what I found in our system. I do not know if it is the same VCI-373 that
they shipped me... I also am awaiting approval for access to the MSDS's at the
Cortec site.
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Tom Lutz <tommylutz@gmail.com> wrote:
I just ordered some Cortec from Zenith. I tried to grab an MSDS sheet from Cortec (http://www.cortecvci.com/Products/products.php?showonly=HighPerfCoat ), but I had to sign up for an account and am waiting approval. Can someone forward me the MSDS or a list of the safety equipment needed to use this stuff?
Thanks,
Tom
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | Pitot/Static Routing |
Hi listers,
I'm still not sure what happened, but I got bumped off the list for a few days.
I'm now back "ON".
I am interested in hearing from all XL builders (dual stick option) about how you
have, or plan to route the pitot & static lines from the wing to the panel.
I think I have thought this through, but I have discovered that others may (and
probably will) have better ideas than mine.
Thanks in advance
Jay in Dallas
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I have about 8 of these (SPRING TENSION CLAMP AT542), several quick grip bar claps
from Home Depot and 4 of the clamps that are kind of like plyers but have
the bolt to adjust grip.
But the ones I use the most, are the little clips that have the rubber ends and
they are perfect for holding a skin in place while drilling.
[quote="tommylutz(at)gmail.com"]Does it matter what type of spring-loaded clamps I use? I assume Zinc alloy is better than steel for this work. Can someone please check this page (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/to/clampingtools.html (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/to/clampingtools.html)) and tell me what clamps, if any, to avoid?
Thanks in advance,
Tom
> [b]
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot/Static Routing |
The only opening through the spar center section is the flanged hole in the midline.
Once you install the rudder fairleads there is only a little space left
to run wiring through there.
I'm planning on using the space in the center console above the spar center section
to route wiring and tubing up to the area forward of the instrument panel.
The biggest consideration in that route is the clearance for the movement of
the elevator horn and the threaded rod connecting it to the dual stick assembly.
There should be adequate room to bundle the wiring and tubings that have to pass
there into two bundles, one on either side inside the console. The entire top
of my center console is removable with #6-32 screws and nutplates so I will
wait to run the wiring after the cables are rigged to make certain that there
is no interferrence.
Dred
---- Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
>
> I am interested in hearing from all XL builders (dual stick option) about how
you have, or plan to route the pitot & static lines from the wing to the panel.
I think I have thought this through, but I have discovered that others may
(and probably will) have better ideas than mine.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Jay in Dallas
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Good stuff Tom - I like your style.
JG
----- Original Message -----
From: Gig Giacona
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Clamp Types
<wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
I have about 8 of these (SPRING TENSION CLAMP AT542), several quick
grip bar claps from Home Depot and 4 of the clamps that are kind of like
plyers but have the bolt to adjust grip.
But the ones I use the most, are the little clips that have the rubber
ends and they are perfect for holding a skin in place while drilling.
[quote="tommylutz(at)gmail.com"]Does it matter what type of
spring-loaded clamps I use? I assume Zinc alloy is better than steel
for this work. Can someone please check this page
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/to/clampingtools.html
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/to/clampingtools.html)) and tell me
what clamps, if any, to avoid?
Thanks in advance,
Tom
> [b]
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Sorry about that last post - clicked on the wrong name - bifocals are a
pain....
Do not archive.
JG
----- Original Message -----
From: Gig Giacona
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Clamp Types
<wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
I have about 8 of these (SPRING TENSION CLAMP AT542), several quick
grip bar claps from Home Depot and 4 of the clamps that are kind of like
plyers but have the bolt to adjust grip.
But the ones I use the most, are the little clips that have the rubber
ends and they are perfect for holding a skin in place while drilling.
[quote="tommylutz(at)gmail.com"]Does it matter what type of
spring-loaded clamps I use? I assume Zinc alloy is better than steel
for this work. Can someone please check this page
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/to/clampingtools.html
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/to/clampingtools.html)) and tell me
what clamps, if any, to avoid?
Thanks in advance,
Tom
> [b]
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101701#101701
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| Subject: | OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location |
Hi all,
Any suggestions as to best location for OAT probe. Am thinking fuslage, but not
sure of best (undisturbed location).
Looking for input...
Thanks,
Mike
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601 XL, 3300, Dynon
Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"!
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| Subject: | Re: OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location |
Someplace where the sun can't shine on it and heat from the engine
can't flow over it. Maybe under the wing root?
On Mar 19, 2007, at 7:03 PM, AZFlyer wrote:
> Any suggestions as to best location for OAT probe. Am thinking
> fuslage, but not sure of best (undisturbed location).
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot/Static Routing |
i amrouting them through the left side of the seat base, up to the canopy sill,
then under the panel.
option two was to drill two holes right of the wing root.don't like that one.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jaybannist@cs.com
>Sent: Mar 19, 2007 4:32 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Pitot/Static Routing
>
>
>Hi listers,
>
>I'm still not sure what happened, but I got bumped off the list for a few days.
I'm now back "ON".
>
>I am interested in hearing from all XL builders (dual stick option) about how
you have, or plan to route the pitot & static lines from the wing to the panel.
I think I have thought this through, but I have discovered that others may (and
probably will) have better ideas than mine.
>
>Thanks in advance
>Jay in Dallas
>
>
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may be the cheapest "clamps" you can buy...at the store only...and up to 5 sets
per visit/coupon...
Mkt Code=0075188805
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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All-
I was moving merrily along on the front fuse when I come to steps 7
and 8 on FF-5.
"Cleco 6V12-4 to 6F16-1". No problem. "Cleco 6F16-1 to the L
ANGLES". Went back and checked, no mention of installing the armrest L
angles during c-section construction. No mention of their installation
anywhere! Checked out Larry Mac's and Jeff Small's pictures and neither
show the L angles installed at this stage of the game. Not a
show-stopper, but if I have to put them in now an extra foot of height
and arm length would be beneficial!
Thoughts?
do not archive (?)
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location |
Hi Bryan,
I placed my OAT at the outside edge of the belly angle, right side and
fed it thru the forward foot channel from the side.
The readings seem to match my thermometer at the hangar during run up.
At least it keeps the wires out of the way.
Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com
Bryan Martin wrote:
> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> Someplace where the sun can't shine on it and heat from the engine
> can't flow over it. Maybe under the wing root?
>
> On Mar 19, 2007, at 7:03 PM, AZFlyer wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions as to best location for OAT probe. Am thinking
>> fuslage, but not sure of best (undisturbed location).
>
> --Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Dzus Fastners, Idea Theft |
Thanks Dave,
Just wanted to make a positive posting of this resource. It has saved my bacon
many times.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Center Arm Rest |
Bill,
I did have the angles in when the center section was complete, but it
shouldn't be that difficult to do
even after you've connected the tail. You might just have to stand in
front of the center section to get it
done, unless your floor is already in. (see link,)
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/centerwing/centersection/full/wing-spars-to-center-sectio.gif
Larry McFarland
Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> I was moving merrily along on the front fuse when I come to steps
> 7 and 8 on FF-5.
> "Cleco 6V12-4 to 6F16-1". No problem. "Cleco 6F16-1 to the L
> ANGLES". Went back and checked, no mention of installing the armrest L
> angles during c-section construction. No mention of their installation
> anywhere! Checked out Larry Mac's and Jeff Small's pictures and
> neither show the L angles installed at this stage of the game. Not a
> show-stopper, but if I have to put them in now an extra foot of height
> and arm length would be beneficial!
> Thoughts?
> do not archive (?)
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuse/Corvair
> Townville, Pa
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Zenith Rudder Design |
I am building the 701 and having fun and learning a lot. It's a design that perfectly
fits my mission.
Although I know the "all flying" rudder is a Zenith trademark, it strikes me as
really the only potential question in the overall design. I am saying this as
a layman, not being a designer or engineer, however.
The concentration of the hinges so low on the rudder seems to place much more stress
on them than if the hinges were evenly spaced from top to bottom like many
aircraft. The forces acting on the rudder while turning are concentrated all
at one end and only on two hinges a few inches apart on a relatively large
surface.
Anyone ever heard of issues with this rudder design? Anyone considered adding
a third, middle hinge to provide some additional strength? This is not meant
as a criticism, just a question from someone new to homebuilding.
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Rudder Design |
There's nothing wrong with concentrating the load in a small area as
long as the structure is strong enough to handle it. I've never heard
any occurrences of rudders on Zodiacs falling off in flight and they
are very easy to check out during pre-flight.
On Mar 19, 2007, at 9:11 PM, rbjjr wrote:
> Although I know the "all flying" rudder is a Zenith trademark, it
> strikes me as really the only potential question in the overall
> design. I am saying this as a layman, not being a designer or
> engineer, however.
>
> The concentration of the hinges so low on the rudder seems to place
> much more stress on them than if the hinges were evenly spaced from
> top to bottom like many aircraft. The forces acting on the rudder
> while turning are concentrated all at one end and only on two
> hinges a few inches apart on a relatively large surface.
>
> Anyone ever heard of issues with this rudder design? Anyone
> considered adding a third, middle hinge to provide some additional
> strength? This is not meant as a criticism, just a question from
> someone new to homebuilding.
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location |
Locate on last bulkhead just below Stabilizer. 6-B-12-3
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AZFlyer
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location
Hi all,
Any suggestions as to best location for OAT probe. Am thinking fuslage,
but not sure of best (undisturbed location).
Looking for input...
Thanks,
Mike
do not archive
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Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com
601 XL, 3300, Dynon
Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"!
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| Subject: | OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location |
Another good spot I have used is the NACA duct for fresh air in the
cabin.
Locate on last bulkhead just below Stabilizer. 6-B-12-3
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AZFlyer
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location
Hi all,
Any suggestions as to best location for OAT probe. Am thinking fuslage,
but not sure of best (undisturbed location).
Looking for input...
Thanks,
Mike
do not archive
--------
Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com
601 XL, 3300, Dynon
Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"!
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location |
For mine, I was told that the underside of one wing, back about half of
chord length would be the best place. If you go with a location on the
fuselage try to keep it underneath where it will be in the shade. The
bottom of the fuselage does get the exhaust stream so the wing is a
better place.
Dred
----- Original Message -----
From: AZFlyer
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:03 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location
Hi all,
Any suggestions as to best location for OAT probe. Am thinking
fuslage, but not sure of best (undisturbed location).
Looking for input...
Thanks,
Mike
do not archive
--------
Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com
601 XL, 3300, Dynon
Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"!
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| Subject: | OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location |
Do not archive this either, but Piper seems to be intent on placing it up
high right smack in the middle of the windshield - must be about the worst
place I can think of ..
Jeff D.
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Edward Moody II
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location
For mine, I was told that the underside of one wing, back about half of
chord length would be the best place. If you go with a location on the
fuselage try to keep it underneath where it will be in the shade. The bottom
of the fuselage does get the exhaust stream so the wing is a better place.
Dred
----- Original Message -----
From: AZFlyer <mailto:millrML@AOL.com>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:03 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: OAT (Outside Air Temp. probe) location
Hi all,
Any suggestions as to best location for OAT probe. Am thinking fuslage, but
not sure of best (undisturbed location).
Looking for input...
Thanks,
Mike
do not archive
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601 XL, 3300, Dynon
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Group:
After reviewing the potential benefits of a LRI indicator and noting the comments
of the list members I have decided to install an AOA probe in my right wing
(the one I am currently assembling).
I plan to mount the AOA probe on the inboard side of rear rib #5 (yes, inside the
wing locker - should give easy access) at the same distance from the leading
edge as the pitot probe on the left wing. I am going to make the probe so that
it extends 10 inches below the wing. I will attach it to the rib with one
3/16 inch AN bolt until I have it calibrated at which time I will add an A5 rivet
to lock it in position.
My questions:
a) Is there a better location for the probe? (is the probe far enough from the
fuselage? would rib #7 be better?)
b) Any problems attaching it directly to the rib? (as the tiedown ring is attached)
or do I need a doubler?
c) Is 10 inches enough given the HUGE XL wing?
Thanks for your help
Mike in Ontario
601XL working on wings
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Hi,
Thanks for the explanations everyone - makes sense now!!
Dave, 701, do not archive
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| Subject: | Construction Logs made easy! |
Hi Everyone,
I have been using Microsoft Powerpoint for logging the construction time on
my project. It works great, it's very easy, and if you already have Office,
it doesn't cost any extra! The pages can be sent to a printer, e-mailed to
my friends, and I can push a button and burn the entire project to a disk.
the disk can be played on my DVD player, I can present the project on the
projector at EAA meetings, etc. It's cheap, and doesn'tr require a large
learning curve. The pages can be made to look alike. Text can be placed on
the page in any color or type. Pages can be put in any arrangement. It's
perfect for our use as builders.
I would be happy to share my Powerpoint pages with anyone that wants them.
Right now the file is 4 meg, so if you have DSL or cable I can send them to
you by E-mail. I can also help you design your own if you want.
The nice thing about Powerpoint is that even if the recipient doesn't have
Offive 2003 or better, the files can be read on a Windows 98 or better
computer.
Joe Scheibinger
2809 Scenic Drive
Oshkosh, WI 54904
Phone: 920-237-1450
E-mail: backstagelive@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Construction Logs made easy! |
Joe, I would be interested in seeing how your PowerPoint looks.
Bob Spudis
_NYTERMINAT@aol.com_ (mailto:NYTERMINAT@aol.com)
do not archive
In a message dated 3/20/2007 12:51:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
joe@kfiz.com writes:
Hi Everyone,
I have been using Microsoft Powerpoint for logging the construction time on
my project. It works great, it's very easy, and if you already have Office,
it doesn't cost any extra! The pages can be sent to a printer, e-mailed to
my friends, and I can push a button and burn the entire project to a disk.
the disk can be played on my DVD player, I can present the project on the
projector at EAA meetings, etc. It's cheap, and doesn'tr require a large
learning curve. The pages can be made to look alike. Text can be placed on
the page in any color or type. Pages can be put in any arrangement. It's
perfect for our use as builders.
I would be happy to share my Powerpoint pages with anyone that wants them.
Right now the file is 4 meg, so if you have DSL or cable I can send them to
you by E-mail. I can also help you design your own if you want.
The nice thing about Powerpoint is that even if the recipient doesn't have
Offive 2003 or better, the files can be read on a Windows 98 or better
computer.
Joe Scheibinger
2809 Scenic Drive
Oshkosh, WI 54904
Phone: 920-237-1450
E-mail: backstagelive@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Construction Logs made easy! |
You can download a free PowerPoint 2003 viewer from Microsoft:
http://tinyurl.com/3nend
There are also links at the bottom of that page to free viewers for
Microsoft Word 2003, Excel 2003 and PowerPoint 2007.
There was a product which compressed PowerPoint documents - it was called
"Pointless" :-)
-- Craig
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