---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/23/07: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:43 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing (Michael Valentine) 2. 05:47 AM - Re: landing/taxi light location and installation (Jaybannist@cs.com) 3. 06:12 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing (Paul Mulwitz) 4. 06:25 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing (Bryan Martin) 5. 07:33 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing (LarryMcFarland) 6. 09:51 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing (Michael Valentine) 7. 09:57 AM - Re: landing/taxi light location and installation (Michael Valentine) 8. 10:02 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing (Gig Giacona) 9. 10:56 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 03/22/07 (Joe) 10. 11:00 AM - Re: Gullwing door--folks only (ashontz) 11. 11:03 AM - Re: Canopy latching (ashontz) 12. 11:10 AM - Re: Canopy latching (Gig Giacona) 13. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Canopy latching (robert stone) 14. 02:24 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 03/22/07 (JOHN STARN) 15. 02:53 PM - light on the subject (Big Gee) 16. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing (Big Gee) 17. 03:04 PM - Re: light on the subject (Craig Payne) 18. 03:10 PM - Re: landing/taxi light location and installation (ALAN BEYER) 19. 03:15 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing (Michael Valentine) 20. 03:18 PM - Re: landing/taxi light location and installation (Bill Naumuk) 21. 03:30 PM - Re: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing (Bill Naumuk) 22. 04:54 PM - source for tools & stuff (Carlos Sa) 23. 05:01 PM - Loctite 567 (chris Sinfield) 24. 05:07 PM - Re: landing/taxi light location and installation (chris Sinfield) 25. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing (Big Gee) 26. 05:54 PM - Re: Loctite 567 (R.P.) 27. 06:10 PM - Re: source for tools & stuff (Craig Payne) 28. 07:18 PM - Re: source for tools & stuff (David Downey) 29. 07:43 PM - 567 data (JOHN STARN) 30. 07:47 PM - Re: source for tools & stuff (JOHN STARN) 31. 07:49 PM - Re: Loctite 567 (David Mikesell) 32. 08:52 PM - Flap Motor Switch (James Sagerser) 33. 09:24 PM - Re: Flap Motor Switch (NYTerminat@aol.com) 34. 09:27 PM - Re: Re: Zenith Rudder Design (Carl Bertrand) 35. 09:27 PM - Re: Re: Making an LRI probe (Carl Bertrand) 36. 10:12 PM - Tail Light Wire Routing / CH701 Rudder Kit (Tom Lutz) 37. 10:22 PM - Belly pod for 701 (Brett Hanley) 38. 10:32 PM - Re: Flap Motor Switch (Craig Payne) 39. 11:22 PM - Re: Tail Light Wire Routing / CH701 Rudder Kit (Bryan Martin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:35 AM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing Thanks for the prompt responses Bryan and Jay. My concern is that the place I opened up the side skin may not be the right place for the rudder cable to come through. I assume it follows a straight line between two points, but I don't know those points yet! Have other people cut the hole in the side skin in the same place as I just did and then just adjusted the fairings to fit? If so, does the cable run fine through that hole? Thanks, Michael in NH On 3/22/07, Jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > > > Michael, > > As I recall, the fairing must be trimmed, both on the bottom and the top > to fit properly. > > Jay in Dallas > do not archive > > > "Michael Valentine" wrote: > > >Listers - have a problem here and can't figure it out. > > > >I measured the hole in my side skin for the rudder cable outlet fairing > as > >follows per plans 6-B-4 (08/05): > >395mm from the back of the fuse to the center of the hole - 20mm wide; > >8mm high, bottom flush with the top of the lower longeron > > > >This measurement conforms to every picture I can see - including the side > >view and the end view on page 6-B-4. > > > >Interestingly, if one looks at 6-B-4(2) - the fairing - and mentally > moves > >it up to the side view directly above, it immediately becomes apparent > that > >the opening ridge in the fairing is not going to fit properly over the > >hole. (AKA 20/20 hindsight) > > > >Either I am completely missing something, or the plans are wrong. Either > >way, I need help! BTW, I have already cut the 20x8 hole, so if you tell > me > >I have it in the wrong place and should do something different, please > >suggest fixes as well! > > > > > >Michael in NH > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:35 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: landing/taxi light location and installation John, I left the landing/taxi light in the left wing as shown, but I did move it toward the fuselage one bay, at the suggestion of my EAA technical adviser. I had a "smile" in the new location that the move took care of. I see no problem moving it one bay. However, I can't address the move to the other wing. I haven't gotten to that point yet, but I think it would be easier to make it more effective for the pilot in the left wing. Jay in Dallas Do not archive john butterfield wrote: > >hi list >i have put together the landing and taxi light frame. >i want to install it on the right wing and instead of >on the end, i want to move it inboard one rib. >is there any problem or things i should consider >before i cut the wing. > >i am using the zenith system > >regards >john butterfield >601XL corvair >Torrance, ca > > > >No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go >with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:56 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing Hi Michael, Did you include the nylon fairlead with the fairing? I think the fairlead allows for the cable to make a turn from its origin to the rudder connection point. Even if it is straight at some point, it will make a turn when the rudder is moved. Paul XL fuselage At 04:42 AM 3/23/2007, you wrote: >Thanks for the prompt responses Bryan and Jay. My concern is that >the place I opened up the side skin may not be the right place for >the rudder cable to come through. I assume it follows a straight >line between two points, but I don't know those points yet! > >Have other people cut the hole in the side skin in the same place as >I just did and then just adjusted the fairings to fit? If so, does >the cable run fine through that hole? > >Thanks, Michael in NH > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:06 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing Don't your plans call for a plastic fairlead there? Each rudder cable passes through two fairleads, one just behind the aileron torque tube and one where it exits the rear fuselage. The fairleads allow the cables to be routed through the fuselage without rubbing on each other or the airframe. The left rudder cable goes to the right side of the rudder and vice versa. One cable passes through the front fairlead a little bit higher than the other to allow it to pass over the top of the other where they cross in the rear fuselage. There will be a small change in direction at each fairlead. The location of the rear fairleads isn't very critical but the closer you get to the ideal spot, the smaller the change in direction of the cable and less friction. On Mar 23, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Michael Valentine wrote: > Thanks for the prompt responses Bryan and Jay. My concern is that > the place I opened up the side skin may not be the right place for > the rudder cable to come through. I assume it follows a straight > line between two points, but I don't know those points yet! > > Have other people cut the hole in the side skin in the same place > as I just did and then just adjusted the fairings to fit? If so, > does the cable run fine through that hole? > > Thanks, Michael in NH > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:50 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing Michael, You should have little if any vertical misalignment, but the horizontal sweep of the rudder horn will cause a few degrees rub within your nylon guide at that point. If you have more than 5 deg vertical out of track, I'd recommend you find out what that amounts to and make adjustment to your hole positions. Should look about the same as the link below. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/afairing.gif Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Michael Valentine wrote: > Listers - have a problem here and can't figure it out. > > I measured the hole in my side skin for the rudder cable outlet > fairing as follows per plans 6-B-4 (08/05): > 395mm from the back of the fuse to the center of the hole - 20mm wide; > 8mm high, bottom flush with the top of the lower longeron > > This measurement conforms to every picture I can see - including the > side view and the end view on page 6-B-4. > > Interestingly, if one looks at 6-B-4(2) - the fairing - and mentally > moves it up to the side view directly above, it immediately becomes > apparent that the opening ridge in the fairing is not going to fit > properly over the hole. (AKA 20/20 hindsight) > > Either I am completely missing something, or the plans are wrong. > Either way, I need help! BTW, I have already cut the 20x8 hole, so if > you tell me I have it in the wrong place and should do something > different, please suggest fixes as well! > > > Michael in NH > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:13 AM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing Thank you all for the responses and pictures, but I think I still need a bit of help. I do have the nylon fairlead there and I understand that it is to prevent rubbing, but I obviously want to drill the hole in generally the right place so the rubbing is as little as possible. (Of course, at this stage I don't really know the precise location of the two points that will be connected.) So how about this question: How far above the bottom longeron did you center the outlet hole? As I mentioned, my outlet hole is 8mm high and flush with the top of the longeron - so my answer would be 4mm. I am very concerned that it should have been higher! Thanks, too, for the pictures from everyone. Does anyone have a picture of the opening before they attached the fairing? (ZAC's guide only has a very close up picture that doesn't show the position, just the shape.) Michael On 3/23/07, LarryMcFarland wrote: > > > Michael, > You should have little if any vertical misalignment, but the horizontal > sweep of the rudder horn will > cause a few degrees rub within your nylon guide at that point. If you > have more than 5 deg vertical out > of track, I'd recommend you find out what that amounts to and make > adjustment to your hole positions. > Should look about the same as the link below. > http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/afairing.gif > > Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > do not archive > > Michael Valentine wrote: > > Listers - have a problem here and can't figure it out. > > > > I measured the hole in my side skin for the rudder cable outlet > > fairing as follows per plans 6-B-4 (08/05): > > 395mm from the back of the fuse to the center of the hole - 20mm wide; > > 8mm high, bottom flush with the top of the lower longeron > > > > This measurement conforms to every picture I can see - including the > > side view and the end view on page 6-B-4. > > > > Interestingly, if one looks at 6-B-4(2) - the fairing - and mentally > > moves it up to the side view directly above, it immediately becomes > > apparent that the opening ridge in the fairing is not going to fit > > properly over the hole. (AKA 20/20 hindsight) > > > > Either I am completely missing something, or the plans are wrong. > > Either way, I need help! BTW, I have already cut the 20x8 hole, so if > > you tell me I have it in the wrong place and should do something > > different, please suggest fixes as well! > > > > > > Michael in NH > > > > * > > > > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:31 AM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: landing/taxi light location and installation That is exactly what I did and ran into no problems. I ran the wires through a couple small grommets (one in the NR and one in the spar tip/extension thingy) back out to the tip and then through full length conduit I installed. Michael in NH do not archive On 3/23/07, john butterfield wrote: > > jdbutterfield@yahoo.com> > > hi list > i have put together the landing and taxi light frame. > i want to install it on the right wing and instead of > on the end, i want to move it inboard one rib. > is there any problem or things i should consider > before i cut the wing. > > i am using the zenith system > > regards > john butterfield > 601XL corvair > Torrance, ca > > > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:14 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing From: "Gig Giacona" I don't have access at the moment to measure it but as you can see from this photo... http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR/html/fuselage_1_55.html ...it is significantly higher than flush with the top of the longeron. I also ended up putting the nylon inside the fuselage. It looked better and made more since. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102510#102510 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:54 AM PST US From: "Joe" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 03/22/07 Hey Dave, I DO SELL CARS! I own Lakeshore auto sales! How could you tell? !!! Joe Time: 09:45:23 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: composite VS Aluminum From: "TxDave" Very well said, Joe. You'd be a good used car salesman. do not archive Dave Clay ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:34 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Gullwing door--folks only From: "ashontz" Add me too. (ashontz@nbme.org) I'm not up to the fuselage yet, but I want to go with the gull-wing doors too. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102519#102519 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:41 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy latching From: "ashontz" Steve, do you have more pix inside and out of that canopy of yours? I want to build something similar. Thanks marinegunner(at)gmail.com wrote: > Tracy, > Here is how I fixed mine on the CH600. However, I doubt that most will even attempt such a fix on a 601 - to much work and to much change to the canopy area. Note the frame is also roll-over protection. > Each gull wing door has a simple but very effective latch. I will be able to remove gull doors and fly without them - in fact, test flight will be done both ways. High power fan tests and fairly fast taxi tests indicate that slipstream will not enter cockpit due to shape, location and size of windscreen. Ta Da, it works. > -- > Semper Fi, > Steven R. Hulland > CH 600 Taildragger > Amado, AZ > > This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure virus free email and attachments. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102520#102520 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:49 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy latching From: "Gig Giacona" Sound like you didn't put enough bend into the frames when you installed them. I'm at this point now and haven't quite got them where I think they need to be yet. The bending method as shown in the construction manual. (3 bolts and a vise) is not the the easiest thing in the world to do. rstone4(at)hot.rr.com wrote: > Members, > My canopy will not latch unless I pull real hard on the backside and then only the left side from the pilots position will latch on the first stage only. The right side will not latch at all. Can anyone who has had this problem on the ZodiacXL tell me what the fix is. > > Tracy Stone > ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 330 > Harker Heights, Tx > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102521#102521 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:39 PM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy latching I am not sure if this is a common problem however one of the members suggested that I shim under the striker plate and I just finished making the shims out of aluminum 1/8 inch or 250,000. I will install tomorrow and let all know if this fix works. Tracy Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gig Giacona" Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy latching > > > Sound like you didn't put enough bend into the frames when you installed > them. I'm at this point now and haven't quite got them where I think they > need to be yet. The bending method as shown in the construction manual. (3 > bolts and a vise) is not the the easiest thing in the world to do. > > > rstone4(at)hot.rr.com wrote: >> Members, >> My canopy will not latch unless I pull real hard on the backside >> and then only the left side from the pilots position will latch on the >> first stage only. The right side will not latch at all. Can anyone who >> has had this problem on the ZodiacXL tell me what the fix is. >> >> Tracy Stone >> ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 330 >> Harker Heights, Tx >> > > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102521#102521 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:05 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 03/22/07 The plaid pants & the pink sportscoat were dead giveaways. 8*) KABONG Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 03/22/07 > > Hey Dave, > > I DO SELL CARS! I own Lakeshore auto sales! How could you tell? !!! > > Joe > > > Time: 09:45:23 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: composite VS Aluminum > From: "TxDave" > > > Very well said, Joe. You'd be a good used car salesman. > > do not archive > > Dave Clay > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:15 PM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Zenith-List: light on the subject I have not installed my lights yet, but when I do I am planning on putting the taxi light in one wing, and the landing light in the opposite wing. My thinking is, on a dark ramp at night, one could turn on the landing light momentarily to check for any "hidden" objects. Fritz do not archive --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:40 PM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing The hole in the attached picture is much higher than mine is on my airplane. My hole is just above the longeron. The lower rivets in the outter cover are in line with those through the longeron.(on my application) Fritz Gig Giacona wrote: I don't have access at the moment to measure it but as you can see from this photo... http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR/html/fuselage_1_55.html ...it is significantly higher than flush with the top of the longeron. I also ended up putting the nylon inside the fuselage. It looked better and made more since. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102510#102510 --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:41 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: light on the subject > .. but when I do I am planning on putting the taxi light in one wing, and the landing light in the opposite wing. This also allows you to install a wig-wag module to increase your visibility in the air. Any yes, you can wig-wag HIDs: http://www.aerovisions.com/hid/hid_aircraft_kits.html http://www.creativair.com/wigwag-flasher-halogen-lamps-p-89.html -- Craig ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:05 PM PST US From: ALAN BEYER Subject: Re: Zenith-List: landing/taxi light location and installation Hi John, I am not sure what the light assemble is used on the "XL". I have an HDS and I made my own Landing/Taxi light assemble and mounted it in the left wing. I have about 300 Hrs. on the plane and about 20Hrs. at night. My own feeling is I would not want the lights mounted in the right wing. My HDS has a nose high attitude when landing, and if the light were in the right wing the fuselage will mask the beam of light. During taxi with the light on the left you can also shine the light on the centerline or the side of the taxiway and get a good view from the left seat. The "XL" with flaps might keep the nose a little lower, but I still think you would see better when landing and when you taxi with it in the left wing. See Ya, AL from Oshkosh --- Original Message ---- From: john butterfield Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 1:30:19 AM Subject: Zenith-List: landing/taxi light location and installation hi list i have put together the landing and taxi light frame. i want to install it on the right wing and instead of on the end, i want to move it inboard one rib. is there any problem or things i should consider before i cut the wing. i am using the zenith system regards john butterfield 601XL corvair Torrance, ca No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:21 PM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing Thanks Fritz - any problems with yours? Does the cable seem to come through smoothly without too much angle? Michael On 3/23/07, Big Gee wrote: > > The hole in the attached picture is much higher than mine is on my > airplane. My hole is just above the longeron. The lower rivets in the > outter cover are in line with those through the longeron.(on my application) > Fritz > > *Gig Giacona * wrote: > > > I don't have access at the moment to measure it but as you can see from > this photo... > > http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR/html/fuselage_1_55.html > > ...it is significantly higher than flush with the top of the longeron. > > I also ended up putting the nylon inside the fuselage. It looked better > and made more since. > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this > ------------------------------ > Bored stiff? Loosen up... > Download and play hundreds of games for freeon Yahoo! Games. > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:35 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: landing/taxi light location and installation John- I did it on my HDS, but I'm not familiar enough with the XL to say, yeah, go ahead and do it. My toughest task was to figure out the cut for the lens opening. Also, don't forget your riblets will have to be mirror image. I could send you a ton of pictures and information, but there's no telling it's applicable to an XL. All I can say is, it took me nearly a month to do the research and calculations, but I only had to do it once. Take your time. Good building! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "john butterfield" Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 2:30 AM Subject: Zenith-List: landing/taxi light location and installation > > > hi list > i have put together the landing and taxi light frame. > i want to install it on the right wing and instead of > on the end, i want to move it inboard one rib. > is there any problem or things i should consider > before i cut the wing. > > i am using the zenith system > > regards > john butterfield > 601XL corvair > Torrance, ca > > > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:13 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing Mike- Just looked at my project, and your dimensions seem right. The only thing I can think of is, you're not removing all the bearing material inside the cutout. Only a slot a little wider than the diameter of the cable on the centerline of the opening. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Valentine To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing Thank you all for the responses and pictures, but I think I still need a bit of help. I do have the nylon fairlead there and I understand that it is to prevent rubbing, but I obviously want to drill the hole in generally the right place so the rubbing is as little as possible. (Of course, at this stage I don't really know the precise location of the two points that will be connected.) So how about this question: How far above the bottom longeron did you center the outlet hole? As I mentioned, my outlet hole is 8mm high and flush with the top of the longeron - so my answer would be 4mm. I am very concerned that it should have been higher! Thanks, too, for the pictures from everyone. Does anyone have a picture of the opening before they attached the fairing? (ZAC's guide only has a very close up picture that doesn't show the position, just the shape.) Michael On 3/23/07, LarryMcFarland wrote: Michael, You should have little if any vertical misalignment, but the horizontal sweep of the rudder horn will cause a few degrees rub within your nylon guide at that point. If you have more than 5 deg vertical out of track, I'd recommend you find out what that amounts to and make adjustment to your hole positions. Should look about the same as the link below. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/afairing.gif Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Michael Valentine wrote: > Listers - have a problem here and can't figure it out. > > I measured the hole in my side skin for the rudder cable outlet > fairing as follows per plans 6-B-4 (08/05): > 395mm from the back of the fuse to the center of the hole - 20mm wide; > 8mm high, bottom flush with the top of the lower longeron > > This measurement conforms to every picture I can see - including the > side view and the end view on page 6-B-4. > > Interestingly, if one looks at 6-B-4(2) - the fairing - and mentally > moves it up to the side view directly above, it immediately becomes > apparent that the opening ridge in the fairing is not going to fit > properly over the hole. (AKA 20/20 hindsight) > > Either I am completely missing something, or the plans are wrong. > Either way, I need help! BTW, I have already cut the 20x8 hole, so if > you tell me I have it in the wrong place and should do something ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:20 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Zenith-List: source for tools & stuff Has anybody ordered anything from this company? http://www.milspecproducts.com If so, have you had any problems? Thanks Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:20 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Loctite 567 From: "chris Sinfield" Hi All I have used loctite 567 for my fuel tank fittings. Its been 3 weeks and I would have thought that the thread sealent that was exposed to air would have gone hard, but it has not .. It is still sticky to touch.. Is this how it should be or have I got a bad tube? Chris Down Under [Question] XL Jab3300 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102555#102555 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:05 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: landing/taxi light location and installation From: "chris Sinfield" Having just put in my landing light, RH wing as per the plans, we found that where the plans calls for 4 self tappers on each top and bottom , I would reccomend going back to 5 screws. the gap between the screws was to large and the thin leading edge skin made a little ripple and did not seal as well. 5 a side would have made all the difference and only added 2 small self tappers in weight. Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102556#102556 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:45 PM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Rudder Cable Outlet Fairing MIke-- I have had my rudder on several times, with the cables connected. I have not noticed any bad angles to the cables. Do you have the slot (not hole) in your "nylon" bearing as well? My work was done according to the plans dated 12/02 6-B-4. The only thing I did different was: 6B4 show a long slot in the rudder cable fairlead, I made an "oval slot" to ensure there was no contact with the fuselage skin. Fritz Michael Valentine wrote: Thanks Fritz - any problems with yours? Does the cable seem to come through smoothly without too much angle? ======================================================= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:30 PM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 567 ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris Sinfield" Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Loctite 567 > > > Hi All > > I have used loctite 567 for my fuel tank fittings. Its been 3 weeks and I > would have thought that the thread sealent that was exposed to air would > have gone hard, but it has not .. It is still sticky to touch.. Is this > how it should be or have I got a bad tube? > > Chris > Down Under > [Question] > XL Jab3300 Chris, the topic of Loctite and cure rates has been brought up recently in the Yahoo JabiruEngine discussion group. Mostly having to do with disturbing the bond before it has cured. Here's what Loctite Corp says about it: Q: How long does it take for an anaerobic adhesive to dry? A: Anaerobic adhesives do not contain solvents, which must dry. For an anaerobic adhesive to cure, it must be in contact with active metal ions and contact with oxygen eliminated. Outside of a bonded joint, anaerobic materials will not completely cure. Inside the joint, cure rates can be controlled by changing product and primer. Heat can be used to accelerate cure rate. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:50 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: source for tools & stuff > Has anybody ordered anything from this company? > http://www.milspecproducts.com If you are looking for an alternative for high-end flush fasteners there is also this company: http://www.skybolt.com/ I have no direct experience with either company. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:11 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: RE: Zenith-List: source for tools & stuff Skybolt has EVERYTHING... Craig Payne wrote: > Has anybody ordered anything from this company? > http://www.milspecproducts.com If you are looking for an alternative for high-end flush fasteners there is also this company: http://www.skybolt.com/ I have no direct experience with either company. -- Craig Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:27 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Zenith-List: 567 data Went to Yahoo, search for "Loctite #567" this is a part of the manufactures data sheet. KABONG Do Not Archive LOCTITE 567 June-2004 PRODUCT DESCRIPTION LOCTITE 567 provides the following product characteristics: Technology Acrylic Chemical Type Methacrylate ester Appearance (uncured) Smooth, creamy, off-white pasteLMS Components One component - requires no mixing Viscosity High Cure Anaerobic Secondary Cure Activator Application Thread sealing Strength Low LOCTITE 567 is designed for the locking and sealing of metal tapered threads and fittings. The product cures when confined in the absence of air between close fitting metal surfaces and prevents loosening and leakage from shock and vibration. The high lubricating properties of this compound prevent galling on stainless steel, aluminum and all other metal pipe threads and fittings. LOCTITE 567 is recommended for industrial applications in the chemical processing, petroleum refining, pulp/paper, waste treatment, textile, utilities/power generation, marine, automotive, industrial equipment, gas compression and distribution industries. It is also recommended for industrial plant fluid power systems. UL Classification Classified by Underwriters Laboratories Inc. as to fire hazard only. Loctite PST 567 Pipe Sealant with PTFE. Fire hazard is small. No flash point in liquid state. Ignition temperature 465C. For use in devices handling gasoline, petroleum oils, natural gas (pressure not over 300 PSIG), propane, and butane. 976P ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:01 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: source for tools & stuff try www.ReidSupply.com all kinds of "stuff" and you can get their FREE catalog too. KABONG Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: David Downey To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 7:15 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: source for tools & stuff Skybolt has EVERYTHING... Craig Payne wrote: > Has anybody ordered anything from this company? > http://www.milspecproducts.com If you are looking for an alternative for high-end flush fasteners there is also this company: http://www.skybolt.com/I have no direct experience with either company.Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? / ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:53 PM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 567 It only cures if it exposure to air is removed. Inside the fittings it is hard, what is exposed to air will not cure fully David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-224-4485 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris Sinfield" Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Loctite 567 > > > Hi All > > I have used loctite 567 for my fuel tank fittings. Its been 3 weeks and I > would have thought that the thread sealent that was exposed to air would > have gone hard, but it has not .. It is still sticky to touch.. Is this > how it should be or have I got a bad tube? > > Chris > Down Under > [Question] > XL Jab3300 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102555#102555 > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:58 PM PST US From: James Sagerser Subject: Zenith-List: Flap Motor Switch I'm in the process of wiring my flap motor for my 701. I have a 12V Warner Linear Actuator with only 2 wires. The actuator will reverse it's direction when I switch the 2 leads on my battery +/- terminals. My question; is there a "rocker" type switch that will work for this installation and how is it wired? Thanks in advance for any help. Jim ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:46 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap Motor Switch Jim, You can use a double pole double throw switch. Make sure it is appropriately rated for your flap motor or you can do it with two relays and a single pole double throw switch. Check out AeroElectric's website. Bob Spudis I'm in the process of wiring my flap motor for my 701. I have a 12V Warner Linear Actuator with only 2 wires. The actuator will reverse it's direction when I switch the 2 leads on my battery +/- terminals. My question; is there a "rocker" type switch that will work for this installation and how is it wired? Thanks in advance for any help. Jim ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:45 PM PST US From: "Carl Bertrand" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith Rudder Design I do not have a problem with the rudder design and the comments made. I do however pay special attention to the attachments since the loss of the rudder would most likely render the 701 uncontrolable. Of all the bolts on the controls, the only one I have changed in 450 hrs is the top hinge on the rudder. It was noticeably worn after 300 hrs. Happy STOLing, Carl 701, 912, amphibs ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:46 PM PST US From: "Carl Bertrand" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Making an LRI probe Yes, Bend the lower one 30 degrees down; top as normal pitot. Carl 701 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:37 PM PST US From: "Tom Lutz" Subject: Zenith-List: Tail Light Wire Routing / CH701 Rudder Kit I searched the archives for an answer, but alas, could not find one. I just received my CH701 rudder kit (I feel like a kid on Christmas), and was wondering about the wiring for the tail light assembly. Section 3 of the photo assembly guide show how to install the light, but say nothing about how to route the wires. In addition, the guide makes it seem as if this can be done easily after the rudder is complete. Is this true? I'd like to know if I should order the nav/strobe kit before finishing the rudder, or if I should at least drill holes for the wires. Reading past posts, I see some people have opted not to install the tail light, as it may not be required for night flight. Comments? Thanks! Tom ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:25 PM PST US From: Brett Hanley Subject: Zenith-List: Belly pod for 701 Check out this link for the belly pod and other cool 701 mods. http://www.ch701.com/builders/Steve%20Johnston/Steve_Mods.htm Brett Do not archive ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:48 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flap Motor Switch If you really want a rocker switch (as opposed to a toggle) then use the Ray Allen RS2-5 (not the plain RS2). The RS2-5 is rated for 5 amps while the RS2 is only rated for 1 amp. It costs you $26 but they will throw in the label for free. Switch: www.rayallencompany.com/products/switches.html Labels: half way down on www.rayallencompany.com/products/indsens.html For a mere $15 you can get a quality DPDT toggle switch here (look for S700-2-7): www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?11X358218#s700-2-7 The S700-2-7 is a two pole switch that normally sits with the lever in the middle and momentarily pushed up or down. See figure 11-15 of the article below for how to wire any "double pole, double throw" (DPDT) switch to reverse polarity: www.aeroelectric.com/articles/switches.pdf I assume your linear actuator has internal limit switches. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:32 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tail Light Wire Routing / CH701 Rudder Kit The tail light can easily be installed after the rudder is complete. All you have to do is cut out the opening for the light at the rear and drill a hole for the wire at the front and fish the wire through. I decided to put the tail light mounting flange on the inside of the rudder because I thought it would look better that way. So I had to install it before riveting the rudder closed. Just the bulging part of the tail light mount shows on the outside, the flange is completely hidden. The tail light is not required if you install wing tip lights with white lights facing aft. The two white wing tip lights perform the same function as a single white tail light but with a higher current draw. You probably don't want to buy the strobe kits until you are nearly finished with the plane. the large electrolytic capacitors in the strobe power supplies tend to fail if they are stored for a long period of time and not used. On Mar 24, 2007, at 1:11 AM, Tom Lutz wrote: > I searched the archives for an answer, but alas, could not find one. > > I just received my CH701 rudder kit (I feel like a kid on > Christmas), and was wondering about the wiring for the tail light > assembly. Section 3 of the photo assembly guide show how to > install the light, but say nothing about how to route the wires. > In addition, the guide makes it seem as if this can be done easily > after the rudder is complete. Is this true? I'd like to know if I > should order the nav/strobe kit before finishing the rudder, or if > I should at least drill holes for the wires. > > Reading past posts, I see some people have opted not to install the > tail light, as it may not be required for night flight. Comments? -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.