---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/26/07: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:08 AM - Re: DID I SEE THIS ON YouTUBE! 601 Looping!!!! (Tom Lutz) 2. 04:28 AM - 9 g for HDS (chrisoz@bmail.com.au) 3. 04:48 AM - 701 spars, nose ribs, main ribs, etc. (Monty Graves) 4. 07:10 AM - Cradle to Grave (Scott Thatcher) 5. 08:01 AM - Re: Cradle to Grave (Steve Hulland) 6. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: DID I SEE THIS ON YouTUBE! 601 Looping!!!! (Brandon Tucker) 7. 09:09 AM - landing /taxi light install (john butterfield) 8. 10:11 AM - Scratch built wing update and pictures (TxDave) 9. 12:37 PM - Re: Cradle to Grave--- (Big Gee) 10. 01:22 PM - Re: Scratch built wing update and pictures (Gig Giacona) 11. 01:42 PM - Texan flying (Brandon Tucker) 12. 01:44 PM - Re: Cradle to Grave--- (AVIIDFLYIER@aol.com) 13. 02:50 PM - Re: Cradle to Grave--- (Gig Giacona) 14. 03:52 PM - Re: Cradle to Grave--- (Steve Hulland) 15. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: Cradle to Grave--- (JOHN STARN) 16. 05:31 PM - Re: Apology (Juan Vega) 17. 05:34 PM - Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup (Jeff) 18. 05:48 PM - Re: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup (Juan Vega) 19. 06:01 PM - Re: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup (Paul Mulwitz) 20. 06:02 PM - for sale OEM factory nitrided cranks, or heads or engine cases (601corvair) 21. 06:48 PM - Re: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup (n801bh@netzero.com) 22. 07:04 PM - Re: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup (Jeff) 23. 07:39 PM - Re: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup (JOHN STARN) 24. 07:57 PM - Re: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup (R.P.) 25. 08:09 PM - Re: Apology (R.P.) 26. 08:55 PM - Re: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup (Jeff) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:29 AM PST US From: "Tom Lutz" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: DID I SEE THIS ON YouTUBE! 601 Looping!!!! This link is for everyone in this discussion: See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming On 3/25/07, Steve Hulland wrote: > > Craig, > An to think I and many others gave as much as our lives so that some like > you can accept that the "governement" must take care of you from cradle to > grave! Our legal system simply has to many lawyers who need to make money > for any silly reason. If I wanna loop the plane I built I will. And, I will > have fun. > -- > Semper Fi, > Steven R. Hulland > CH 600 Taildragger > Amado, AZ > > This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies > scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help > insure virus free email and attachments. > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:08 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 9 g for HDS From: chrisoz@bmail.com.au Hello Listers, far from wanting to throw oil onto this particular issue, have you guys noticed that C.H. rates the HDS one up at 800 lbs with 9 Gs? 9Gs!!!!! That is well in the aerobatic range. Planes have been looped since before WWI, in boxkites made from bamboo, rag and rotary engines, and these guys lived to tell the tale. The 601 HD/HDS family is built like a brick-shithouse like we say here in Australia... Last not least flying is about freedom, and we all know the rules for aerobatics from when we learned to do stalls with our instructor: clear of traffic, away from cloud, NOT over built up areas. Oh, I haved slipped the surly bonds of earth And danced the skies on laughther silvered wings; Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth Of sun-split clouds,- and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there, I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung My eager craft through footless halls of air... Up, up the long delirious, burning blue I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace Where never lark, nor even eagle, flew- And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod The high untrespassed sanctity of space, Put out my hand, and touched the face of God. Let us not forget that flying is a passion, Cheers, Chris from Oz ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:41 AM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Zenith-List: 701 spars, nose ribs, main ribs, etc. Due to health reasons, I will have to stop my Zenith CH 701 scratch building project. Therefore, there are a few items I would like to sell. Left spar complete zinc chromate along with nose, main ribs, flap-aleron brackets, and slat brackets. Right spar is partially assembled and on my workbench table. Same excellent condition. Main Ribs and nose ribs are attached, as well as back spar pieces. This right wing is virtually ready to skin. However, no skins are for sale. These spars & wing pieces would make a great jump-start for a new scratch builder or someone wanting to experiment with flying without slats, which has been discussed here recently, for a very reasonable price. These are a nice quality set of ribs & spars. Spars alone take about 40 hours man-labor to assemble for each one. Wing pieces are built exactly as in the Zenith plans with no modifications other than the spar caps are .125 aluminum angle instead of the .093 that Zenith uses. This is an approved modification. Parts are located in central Missouri. $1000 takes both wing sets and parts. I have no way of shipping them. Buyer will have to come pick them up here in Missouri. Contact me off-list since I am seldom on the computer any longer. 573-369-2973 $1000 green cash, firm. Payment due before pickup and upon your inspection. This is a fraction of what the wing kit costs from Zenith. Monty Graves ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:55 AM PST US From: "Scott Thatcher" Subject: Zenith-List: Cradle to Grave > An to think I and many others gave as much as our lives so that some like > you can accept that the "governement" must take care of you from cradle to > grave!> Semper Fi, Steven R. Hulland CH 600 Taildragger Amado, AZ Steve, I sure am glad to hear that at least one Marine has elected not to accept the Government's subsidy in the form of retirement benefits and health care coverage. You are the exception! Lately, we all hear the whoosh of government coffers running dry by individuals wanting the government to "take care of them from cradle to grave." Scott Thatcher ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:02 AM PST US From: "Steve Hulland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cradle to Grave Scott, I never said that I did not accept the retirement and associated benefits that I earned while giving 20+ years of my life to the service of this wonderful country. Fact is, I started as a private and worked my way up to Captain before retirement. You are correct, I did not contribute anything but sweat to my retirement - along with vastly reduced pay. At retirement I was the equivalent to "Faculty Chief" managing an approach control and the operations of a mid-sized joint use airport. I made far less than civilians make in private industry doing the same work. Anyway, if you think what I get in retirement is "from cradle to grave" living, you have a lot to learn. All that does not change my opinion of to much government interference in our lives - especially from the FAA. I hope that you are fighting their desire to torpedo GA with user fees, increased class B airspace's, useless ADIZ in large areas of the country and the rest. Are you even a US citizen? Have a great day. -- Semper Fi, Steven R. Hulland CH 600 Taildragger Amado, AZ This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure virus free email and attachments. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:41 AM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: RE: RE: DID I SEE THIS ON YouTUBE! 601 Looping!!!! >>I've lost patience with ignorance and recklessness. >>CS I was happy to give up, but several off list messages made me realize that your view is not the majority. Recklessness is subjective. Did you break the speed limit when you went to work this morning... I bet you did. Some people might consider that reckless. It is becoming increasingly obvious that the only ignorance here is on your part. I use the ignorant term for it's true meaning, not to be flippant. I think you need spend a little time studying before throwing stones. Several people have chimed in here with information indicating that it is perfectly legal to do loops, if the operator's manual allows. Don't state your opinion here as fact. Actually do the research... Read Brian's post. The airworthiness certificate says nothing about limitations on aerobatics. The operator's manual does... Mine does... So I can, and I will fly my aircraft responsibly, safely, and in accordance with FAA regulations. We are now back to square one. Your analogies are not lost on me. I get it. I would have gotten them when I was enlisted. Being an officer has nothing to do with it. I have a file in my office with newspaper clippings from the deaths of 7 friends of mine, who all died in military aircraft. With the exception of 2, they were all doing exactly what the military orders and regulations directed / allowed. I have narrowly avoided a mid air collision doing exactly what I was supposed to be doing. There was no arrogance involved beyond the arrogance required to simply strap on the Hornet. I think information provided by others on the list show that doing this is perfectly legal. That issue is dead as far as I am concerned. Let's move on from what is legal, and get to what is safe. If you need convincing that this is not unsafe, come down to San Diego. I will take you up in the Texan, and do a 2 G loop. You will see that a loop is a joke in aerobatic terms. I am certain that everyone on the list has been more aggressive in a Cessna in spin recovery than anything that can happen in a properly executed loop. Brandon --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:52 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: landing /taxi light install hi list i have finished the lighting assembley and have one word of advise. When you lay out the parts, back plate and holding plates, make sure you put them together in the proper order and clamp all to the back piece. then drill them together to insure proper alignment. mark each piece and proceed. had i done this, i would have saved many hours. i suppose that most of you would do this automatically, but for those like me, a 2x4 to the head helps. also, i was at my eaa chapter (after taking the fuse there to assemble the whole machine) one of the members was looking at my exterior rivets and suggested that i get inside and hit the back of the rivet head. he said it would pop out the small indentation caused when i set the rivits. haven't tried it yet, but suppose it's good advise. john butterfield 601XL, corvair torrance, ca It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:40 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Scratch built wing update and pictures From: "TxDave" I am nearly finished with my first wing. It has taken longer than I expected to reach this point. However, a lot of that time was spent correcting my dumb mistakes. I figure the second wing will take half the time to complete. These pictures help illustrate my 3 piece LE skin concept. Dave Clay Temple, TX 601XL from plans http://www.daves601xl.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103036#103036 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_011_148.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_007_834.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:15 PM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cradle to Grave--- Scott-- I tried staying out of this but !!!!!!! I think your are taking this in a direction which is very inapproperiate. I served 20 years USAF and am damn proud of it. Brandon, Steve, I salute you !!!!!!!! Brandon, does the offer you made in another letter to take (?) up in a Texan and do a loop, apply to an "old USAF enlisted, retired jet aircraft mechanic" ?? Fritz do not archive Scott Thatcher wrote: > An to think I and many others gave as much as our lives so that some like > you can accept that the "governement" must take care of you from cradle to > grave!> Semper Fi, Steven R. Hulland CH 600 Taildragger Amado, AZ Steve, I sure am glad to hear that at least one Marine has elected not to accept the Government's subsidy in the form of retirement benefits and health care coverage. You are the exception! Lately, we all hear the whoosh of government coffers running dry by individuals wanting the government to "take care of them from cradle to grave." Scott Thatcher --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:13 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built wing update and pictures From: "Gig Giacona" I do like your 3 peice leading edge. If I had it to do over again I'd do the same. I'd also consider what it would take to make that a wet wing, fuel tank. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103062#103062 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:28 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Texan flying Fritz, The offer applies to anyone on the list. You can choose from one of 3 1920's Travel Air biplanes, a 1941 SNJ-4 (Texan), a 601, or a dogfight in a Varga Kachina. The offer to Chris was for free, but everyone else would be at my rental cost (much cheaper than booking the flight). See: http://barnstorming.com/ -We only do loops in the Texan - not the biplanes or Varga's. R/ Brandon --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:31 PM PST US From: AVIIDFLYIER@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cradle to Grave--- It appears that this forum will go the way of most others. DOWN THE TUBES................ I THOUGHT WE WERE BUILDING AIRPLANES Tom Knox, DMD Tarboro, NC CH-701 tail feathers and left bwing ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cradle to Grave--- From: "Gig Giacona" Tom, it will only happen if we let it. These little flare-ups happen in any group of people discussing anything. The damage happens when good people leave because of them. To the rest of you take it off list. DO NOT ARCHIVE AVIIDFLYIER(at)aol.com wrote: > It appears that this forum will go the way of most others. DOWN THE TUBES................ > > I THOUGHT WE WERE BUILDING AIRPLANES > > > Tom Knox, DMD > Tarboro, NC CH-701 tail feathers and left bwing > > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103078#103078 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:30 PM PST US From: "Steve Hulland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cradle to Grave--- Tom, Do Not Archive, We are building airplanes. Once in a while, this forum, like most others goes off on a tangent. Kinda a human thing. Not to worry, it will be back to the building in a short while.* * -- Semper Fi, Steven R. Hulland CH 600 Taildragger Amado, AZ This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure virus free email and attachments. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:25 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cradle to Grave--- Sorry but after more than a dozen years of being on Matt's list(s) and conversing with other builders from around the World (notice I did not say any one list), I must disagree. I think the short sighted view that the list(s) are ONLY about putting tab "A" into slot "B", "Which primer should I use ?", or gripe about the plans is in error. Re-read Matt's guidelines (they come around once a month) and you'll find that the list(s) are also to foster & create "camaraderie" amongst us ALL. The interests & attitudes of your airplane may fit within your City, State or Region but others from countries from around the World may a different view to share. I have friends that I have never met face to face and may others that I have met at fly-ins (like OSH) who "know" me from the list(s). You will miss a lot if you dismiss everything that does not help you build YOUR airplane. When I reach the end of my life I will leave behind two or three homebuilts but thousands of friends from around the World. Don't like this or other posts...fine...that's why there is a "Delete" button. No need to keep this post, I've been saying the same thing for years....Do Not Archive KABONG HRII N561FS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gig Giacona" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:49 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cradle to Grave--- > > > Tom, it will only happen if we let it. These little flare-ups happen in > any group of people discussing anything. The damage happens when good > people leave because of them. > > To the rest of you take it off list. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > AVIIDFLYIER(at)aol.com wrote: >> It appears that this forum will go the way of most others. DOWN THE >> TUBES................ >> >> I THOUGHT WE WERE BUILDING AIRPLANES >> >> Tom Knox, DMD >> Tarboro, NC CH-701 tail feathers and left bwing > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103078#103078 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:38 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Apology Rick, you can use 601 ELSAs for hire (4profit) up to the end of 2008. New LSA rules allow for it. JUan -----Original Message----- >From: "R.P." >Sent: Mar 25, 2007 11:11 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Apology > > >Smitty, have you done the Phase One testing of your plane yet? >If you're gonna do any areobatics you'll have to do them during Phase One >and enter them in the aircraft logbook. > >BTW, you might have to change your email address when you get your plane >finished, can't use experimentals 4profit ;) > >Rick Pitcher > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "C Smith" >To: >Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 7:50 PM >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Apology > > >Please see AC 20-27F certification and operation of amateur built aircraft: > >11. FAA INSPECTION OF AN AMATEUR-BUILT AIRCRAFT. >a. General Information About What We Do and Do Not Do For Inspections. >(1) We inspect your aircraft for general airworthiness when you submit it >for airworthiness >certification. We will not inspect it before you register it or during >construction. However, we must >inspect it before we issue your airworthiness certificate. Standard FAA >policy is to issue one >airworthiness certificate for the aircraft. In some cases, we may issue a >limited duration airworthiness >certificate, which would be valid only for flight testing (Phase I) the >aircraft. When we inspect it, it >should be ready to fly, except for having the cowlings, fairings, and panels >open for inspection. >(2) The FAA inspector cannot be involved in the building process and will >not perform any >progressive or in-process inspections during the building process. You >should ask a knowledgeable >person (for example, an EAA Technical Counselor) to conduct in-process >inspections. You should >record any such inspections in the aircraft logbook. >(3) We consider FAA designated airworthiness representatives (DARs) the >primary resource >for the certification of amateur-built aircraft. You may contact your local >FAA office to locate an >authorized DAR. DARs are authorized to charge a fee for their services, >which they set. We do not >govern this fee. >b. Visual Inspection. The FAA inspector will conduct an onsite, visual, >general airworthiness >certification inspection of the aircraft, including reviewing the >information discussed in >paragraphs 11c(1) and (2), before issuing a special airworthiness >certificate with the appropriate >operating limitations. With your special airworthiness certificate and >operating limitations, you will be >able to show compliance with 14 CFR part 91, General Operating and Flight >Rules, 91.319(b). The >FAA will perform the visual inspection as shown in figure 2, FAA Visual >Inspection of an >Amateur-Built Aircraft. > >And > >12. ISSUING AN AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATE FOR AN AMATEUR-BUILT >AIRCRAFT. >a. Issuance of a Special Airworthiness Certificate and Operating >Limitations. >(1) In addition to 14 CFR requirements, the guidelines you use to operate >and maintain your >aircraft are included in your operating limitations, which become part of >the special airworthiness >certificate. We may impose additional limitations to those listed in FAA >Order 8130.2, Airworthiness >Certification of Aircraft and Related Products, if necessary for safety. >References in this AC to >"Phase I" refer to those operating limitations that apply to the aircraft >while it's undergoing initial >flight tests. "Phase II" refers to those operating limitations that apply >after you complete the initial >flight tests. Phase I and Phase II operating limitations are provided in >Order 8130.2. The FAA inspector >will issue the special airworthiness certificate, but its validity will be >subject to compliance with its >operating limitations. Those limitations will provide for operation in an >assigned flight test area for a >certain number of hours (Phase I) before the second part (Phase II) of the >limitations becomes effective, >which releases the aircraft from the flight test area. >(2) After we inspect your aircraft and determine it is in a condition for >safe operation, we will >issue FAA Form 8130-7, Special Airworthiness Certificate, with the >appropriate operating limitations in >accordance with Order 8130.2. Typically, we issue one airworthiness >certificate per aircraft. >(3) In accordance with 91.203(b), you must display the airworthiness >certificate and attached >operating limitations at the cabin or cockpit entrance so that it is legible >to passengers or crew while the >aircraft is being operated. The pilot must conduct all flights under the >operating limitations and part 91. >Details concerning flight test areas are discussed in paragraph 13. > > >And > >13. PHASE I FLIGHT TESTING. >a. Flight Tests. Section 91.319(b) requires you to show your aircraft is >controllable at all its >normal speeds during all the maneuvers you might expect to execute. > > >That means that you must document and demonstrate in the testing phase the >aircraft with all the maneuvers you intend to operate the aircraft. > >And it states further > >AC 20-27F 9/26/2003 >14 >(3) Operating Limitations. When we issue an unlimited duration special >airworthiness >certificate, the operating limitations may be prescribed under the >guidelines in Order 8130.2. The >purpose of the operating limitations is for you to show and maintain >compliance with 91.319. The >operating limitations include a requirement for you to endorse the aircraft >maintenance record (logbook) >with a statement certifying the aircraft has been shown to comply with that >section. The limitations may >vary for some aircraft, and we may issue additional limitations in unusual >conditions in the interest of >safety. We will review the limitations with you to make sure you thoroughly >understand each one. >14. CONTINUING TO OPERATE YOUR AMATEUR-BUILT AIRCRAFT. >a. After you complete all required flight tests, hours, and maneuvers, the >aircraft is considered safe >for continued flight. To continue operating your aircraft, you must follow >the operating limitations >issued with the aircraft airworthiness certificate. >b. You may not operate your aircraft without the airworthiness certificate >and operating limitations >aboard. If you lose the operating limitations or they are mutilated or no >longer legible, contact your >local FAA office for guidance or contact AFS-750 (see appendix 7 for the >address) to obtain a copy of >the operating limitations. If you cannot get a copy, ask your local FAA >office to issue a replacement >FAA Form 8130-7 and operating limitations. If you can document that the >aircraft has completed the >flight test requirements (through logbook entries), we may issue new >operating limitations without initial >flight test operating limitations. > > >And again > >b. Operating Limitations. >(1) The operating limitations require that you operate the aircraft under >the applicable air traffic >control and general operating rules of part 91. If you plan to operate under >instrument flight rules (IFR), >pay particular attention to the applicable requirements in part 91. >(2) The operating limitations will authorize all operations to be conducted >(visual flight rules, >day/night, and IFR). These operating limitations may state that the >instruments and equipment >mandated by 91.205(b), (c), and/or (d), Powered civil aircraft with >standard category >U.S. airworthiness certificates: Instrument and equipment requirements, must >be installed and operable. >In addition, these operating limitations may state flight test areas as >defined in 91.305. > >Now I'm sure there will be some argument as to what these all mean, I think >they mean what they say. Unless the maneuvers were demonstrated during >testing and are specifically permitted by the operating limitations a >standard category is assumed. >What I will do is call my local FSDO, and get the word from the chief >enforcement officer Gary Knaggs. I will report from the horses mouth. >CS > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Martin >Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 9:30 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Apology > >--> > >The normal, utility and aerobatic categories do NOT apply to the >Experimental - Amateur Built airworthiness certificate, they only apply to >the standard airworthiness certificate. The builder of an E- AB aircraft is >the manufacturer, he decides what the operating limitations are, not the kit >manufacturer. The operating limitations are developed during the phase I >testing owner / test pilot. The only limitation on an E-AB airworthiness >certificate is the statement that the airplane is restricted to day VFR >unless properly equipped according to the equipment required article of the >FARs. There are NO RESTRICTIONS on what type of maneuvers may be performed >in an E-AB. >That is the point that you don't seem to be getting here. > >On Mar 25, 2007, at 8:32 PM, C Smith wrote: > >> >> >> What does your airworthiness certificate say? >> >> It is clear you can't get the point. >> It relates to the great lengths that the FAA will go to stop >> violations of it's policies. It is an example in point, a point of >> relative importance. >> Specifically what does your airworthiness certificate say? It's called >> operating limitations. What does it say? Normal, utility, or >> aerobatic? THAT IS YOUR LIMITATION! IT'S YOUR AIRWORTHINESS >> CERTIFICATE! >> What does free speech have to do with the FAA's charter to regulate >> all forms of aviation? NOTHING! Your pilots certificate is not subject >> to the protections of criminal law. It is an administrative hearing, >> not a trial. >> When you are cited, you can talk to an attorney all you want, but >> there is no jury, no trial, just an administrative board staffed by >> the FAA. > > >-- >Bryan Martin >N61BM, CH 601 XL, >RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. >do not archive. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >4:36 PM > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:46 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup It is amazing how little things can stop me cold. I'm installing the Dynon Engine Management System (EMS) in my 601 with a Jabiru 3300A (solid lifters). I'm installing the fuel flow sensor. The Dynon sensor has a 1/8 inch NPT male thread on it. I am using the Zenith supplied 1/4 Inch inside diameter ( I know about using 3/8ths) fuel hose. Has anyone found a fitting or set of fittings that has a female 1/8th NPT on one end and a hose barb on the other? Dynon has not replied so far. Thanks . Jeff Davidson ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:33 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup Jeff, i have the same setup on the sensor, I recommend you go online to Amazon pipes and fittings, you can order the npt fittings there. juan -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff >Sent: Mar 26, 2007 8:34 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com, jabiruengine-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup > >It is amazing how little things can stop me cold. I'm installing the Dynon >Engine Management System (EMS) in my 601 with a Jabiru 3300A (solid >lifters). I'm installing the fuel flow sensor. The Dynon sensor has a 1/8 >inch NPT male thread on it. I am using the Zenith supplied 1/4 Inch inside >diameter ( I know about using 3/8ths) fuel hose. Has anyone found a fitting >or set of fittings that has a female 1/8th NPT on one end and a hose barb on >the other? Dynon has not replied so far. Thanks . > >Jeff Davidson > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:41 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup Hi Jeff, You can get such a fitting at nearly any hardware store. I used a couple of them made from brass for my LRI. Paul XL fuselage At 04:34 PM 3/26/2007, you wrote: >Has anyone found a fitting or set of fittings >that has a female 1/8th NPT on one end and a >hose barb on the other? Dynon has not replied so far. Thanks =85 > >Jeff Davidson > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:20 PM PST US From: 601corvair Subject: Zenith-List: for sale OEM factory nitrided cranks, or heads or engine cases If anyone is interested in corvair OEM factory nitrided cranks, or heads or engine cases you should contact Bob Coffin at: dryenko@surry.net He builds corvair engines for racing and has decided to reduce his parts inventory to concentrate on fewer cars and more time at the track. We spent an interesting afternoon with him last weekend. He realizes the applications and goals are different for aircraft, but he is interested in all things corvair, the more unique the better. He has pushed one of his cars to 153 mph (thats on the ground. Mostly). He has an extensive background in aerospace engineering and never suggests any modification he doesnt have solid test data for. Anyway, He has LOTS of parts. Custom heads, custom cylinders. He has built the auto-version of the big boy with VW parts, including aluminum cylinders etc. He was very helpful, friendly and he listened to what WE wanted to do and then offered appropriate advice. It was nice to spend an afternoon with someone who didnt think we were just nuts and unsafe at any speed, or altitude. He is located in North Carolina near Pilot Mountain. phill --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:03 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup Google Earls fittings, they have EVERYTHING... The worst you have to do is get a 1/8" male fitting and add a 1/8 to 1/8 female coupler. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Juan Vega wrote: Jeff, i have the same setup on the sensor, I recommend you go online to Amazo n pipes and fittings, you can order the npt fittings there. juan -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff >Sent: Mar 26, 2007 8:34 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com, jabiruengine-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup > >It is amazing how little things can stop me cold. I'm installing the D ynon >Engine Management System (EMS) in my 601 with a Jabiru 3300A (solid >lifters). I'm installing the fuel flow sensor. The Dynon sensor has a 1/8 >inch NPT male thread on it. I am using the Zenith supplied 1/4 Inch in side >diameter ( I know about using 3/8ths) fuel hose. Has anyone found a fi tting >or set of fittings that has a female 1/8th NPT on one end and a hose ba rb on >the other? Dynon has not replied so far. Thanks . > >Jeff Davidson > > > ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========

Google Earls fittings, they have EVERYTHING... The worst you ha ve to do is get a  1/8" male fitting and add a 1/8 to 1/8 female co upler.

do not archive


Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair .com

-- Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net> ; wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted b y: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>

Jef f,
i have the same setup on the se nsor,  I recommend you go online to&n bsp;Amazon pipes and fittings, you can ord er the npt fittings there.

juan

-----O riginal Message-----
>From: Jeff  <jeffrey_ davidson@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Mar 26, 2007  ;8:34 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, jabiruengi ne-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru  ;fuel pressure sensor hookup
>
>It is&nb sp;amazing how little things can stop me&n bsp;cold.  I'm installing the Dynon
>Engi ne Management System (EMS) in my 601  with a Jabiru 3300A (solid
>lifters). &nb sp;I'm installing the fuel flow sensor. &n bsp;The Dynon sensor has a 1/8
>inch  ;NPT male thread on it.  I am us ing the Zenith supplied 1/4 Inch inside
>diameter ( I know about using 3/8ths)  fuel hose.  Has anyone found a  fitting
>or set of fittings that has  ;a female 1/8th NPT on one end and&nb sp;a hose barb on
>the other?  Dynon  has not replied so far.  Thanks  ;.
>
>Jeff Davidson
>
> 
>
________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:44 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup Thanks Ben. I found a 1/8th AN910 coupling that should work with a left over 1/8th to barb fitting from my fuel system installation. Jeff _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup Google Earls fittings, they have EVERYTHING... The worst you have to do is get a 1/8" male fitting and add a 1/8 to 1/8 female coupler. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Juan Vega wrote: Jeff, i have the same setup on the sensor, I recommend you go online to Amazon pipes and fittings, you can order the npt fittings there. juan -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff >Sent: Mar 26, 2007 8:34 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com, jabiruengine-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup > >It is amazing how little things can stop me cold. I'm installing the Dynon >Engine Management System (EMS) in my 601 with a Jabiru 3300A (solid >lifters). I'm installing the fuel flow sensor. The Dynon sensor has a 1/8 >inch NPT male thread on it. I am using the Zenith supplied 1/4 Inch inside >diameter ( I know about using 3/8ths) fuel hose. Has anyone found a fitting >or set of fittings that has a female 1/8th NPT on one end and a hose barb on >the other? Dynon has not replied so far. Thanks . > >Jeff Davidson > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:37 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup Two items in the AirCraftSpruce FREE catalog www.aircraftspruce.com might b e what you're looking for. Page #113 AN840 hose nipple in brass or aluminum OR page #118 Weatherhead barb-tite. KABONG There are "plastic" adaptors. .but not for fuel lines. HRII N561FS IF you think this info is worth saving. Hit reply, delete this: Do Not Arch ive and hit send. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff To: zenith-list@matronics.com ; jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup It is amazing how little things can stop me cold. I'm installing the Dyn on Engine Management System (EMS) in my 601 with a Jabiru 3300A (solid lift ers). I'm installing the fuel flow sensor. The Dynon sensor has a 1/8 inc h NPT male thread on it. I am using the Zenith supplied 1/4 Inch inside di ameter ( I know about using 3/8ths) fuel hose. Has anyone found a fitting or set of fittings that has a female 1/8th NPT on one end and a hose barb o n the other? Dynon has not replied so far. Thanks . Jeff Davidson ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:22 PM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup NAPA has an aircraft supply store near you. Just enter your zip code at their website www.napaonline.com Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff " Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup > It is amazing how little things can stop me cold. I'm installing the > Dynon > Engine Management System (EMS) in my 601 with a Jabiru 3300A (solid > lifters). I'm installing the fuel flow sensor. The Dynon sensor has a > 1/8 > inch NPT male thread on it. I am using the Zenith supplied 1/4 Inch > inside > diameter ( I know about using 3/8ths) fuel hose. Has anyone found a > fitting > or set of fittings that has a female 1/8th NPT on one end and a hose barb > on > the other? Dynon has not replied so far. Thanks . > > Jeff Davidson > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11:07 AM ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:49 PM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Apology ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Vega" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Apology > > Rick, > you can use 601 ELSAs for hire (4profit) up to the end of 2008. New LSA > rules allow for it. > JUan Hey, that's right. I forgot about the ELSA. Gotta love that new Sport Pilot and Light Sport Aircraft rule. Rick ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:35 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Jabiru fuel pressure sensor hookup Thanks to all that responded. 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