Zenith-List Digest Archive

Sun 04/01/07


Total Messages Posted: 34



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:03 AM - Re: Workshop Space / Shed Construction (rgeese)
     2. 05:38 AM - Info from XL TD builders (Ricardo Volkweis Lopes)
     3. 05:41 AM - Canopy cleaning (robert stone)
     4. 06:30 AM - CH-801 POH (j2fortune@aol.com)
     5. 07:05 AM - Re: Canopy cleaning (Bryan Martin)
     6. 07:15 AM - Re: Canopy cleaning (LarryMcFarland)
     7. 07:15 AM - Re: CH-801 POH / tail assembly for sale (newbluecrowns@aol.com)
     8. 07:21 AM - Re: CH-801 POH / tail assembly for sale (j2fortune@aol.com)
     9. 07:24 AM - 601xl gear bending (wade jones)
    10. 08:48 AM - Re: Canopy cleaning (Tim Juhl)
    11. 09:27 AM - Re: 601xl gear bending (Herbert Heaton)
    12. 09:33 AM - Re: Canopy cleaning (robert stone)
    13. 09:35 AM - Re: Canopy cleaning (robert stone)
    14. 10:28 AM - Re: Canopy cleaning (LarryMcFarland)
    15. 11:23 AM - Re: Canopy cleaning (Juan Vega)
    16. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: NACA scoops (Juan Vega)
    17. 12:29 PM - Re: Canopy cleaning (Bryan Martin)
    18. 02:24 PM - NACA vents and other goodies (Jeff Small)
    19. 02:28 PM - Re: canopy cleaning (Jeff Small)
    20. 05:48 PM - flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola FL? (13brv3)
    21. 05:54 PM - Re: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola FL? (Aaron Gustafson)
    22. 05:57 PM - Ram Subaru Conversions...Good? or Bad? (darinh)
    23. 06:15 PM - Re: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola FL? (13brv3)
    24. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola FL? (Aaron Gustafson)
    25. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola FL? (ZodieRocket)
    26. 06:51 PM - Fuel Filler Neck Woes (Tim Juhl)
    27. 07:10 PM - Re: Fuel Filler Neck Woes (n787xl@aol.com)
    28. 07:25 PM - Re: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola FL? (13brv3)
    29. 07:31 PM - Re: Ram Subaru Conversions...Good? or Bad? (Southern Reflections)
    30. 09:16 PM - Re: CH-801 POH (Craig Payne)
    31. 09:16 PM - Re: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola FL? (Craig Payne)
    32. 09:16 PM - Re: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola FL? (Craig Payne)
    33. 11:35 PM - Official Zenith-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
    34. 11:39 PM - Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:03:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Workshop Space / Shed Construction
    From: "rgeese" <rgeese1@columbus.rr.com>
    I'm, building my 601XL in a self-built (from plans) 12' by 20' wooden barn with an 8' ceiling an loft. I certainly wouldn't want to go any smaller than that. Everything was completed in the barn and moved into my garage after completion. The fuselage is still in the barn, but I am outgrowing it. I won't be able to install the engine, main gear, or rudder there. I can't complete the canopy installation either because there isn't enough headroom for the tilt. Soon I will be trading spaces with everything stored in the garage. I have a couple hundred photos at this site: http://rgeese.spaces.live.com/default.aspx?_c01_blogpart=myspace&_c02_owner=1&_c=blogpart You may be able to get an idea of the space. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=104234#104234


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    Time: 05:38:36 AM PST US
    From: Ricardo Volkweis Lopes <lopes.rv@gmail.com>
    Subject: Info from XL TD builders
    Hello to all, I am building Zodiac XL TD configuration, ANAC here in Brazil ask me for three view drawings to register the project. I am looking for linear measure between tail-wheel and main gear wheels. Sorry, my english is weak. Attached drawings can show better what I want. Thanks! Zodiac 601 XL/TD -- Ricardo Volkweis Lopes http://portal.ucpel.tche.br/py3vhq


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    Time: 05:41:22 AM PST US
    From: "robert stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
    Subject: Canopy cleaning
    Members, What is the best product any of you know of to clean a Plexiglas canopy. Tracy Stone ZodiacXL Harker Heights, Tx


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    Time: 06:30:07 AM PST US
    Subject: CH-801 POH
    From: j2fortune@aol.com
    I'm near completion of my CH-801 kit, N63VK and would greatly appreciate any means to avoid reinventing a POH. Thank you in advance for any leg up on this stage of the project. I have PDF versions of various POH's for other aircraft. Would be very apprecative of a editable starting point, best if 801 specific . Jeff St. Petersburg, FL Land, sea, rotorcraft pilot fyi engine: Superior XP360 amphibian: Czech floats photos available ________________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 07:05:45 AM PST US
    From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Canopy cleaning
    I've been using Novus #1 with very good results. On Apr 1, 2007, at 8:40 AM, robert stone wrote: > Members, > What is the best product any of you know of to clean a > Plexiglas canopy. > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive.


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    Time: 07:15:18 AM PST US
    From: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
    Subject: Re: Canopy cleaning
    Robert, I've been using a product called Clear View in a spray can and microfiber towels to polish and clean the canopy. It works great and the microfiber towels can be bought at any local Farm & Fleet or automotive store. Just water with microfiber towels works well for removing bugs too. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive robert stone wrote: > Members, > What is the best product any of you know of to clean a Plexiglas > canopy. > > Tracy Stone > ZodiacXL > Harker Heights, Tx > * > > > *


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    Time: 07:15:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: CH-801 POH / tail assembly for sale
    From: newbluecrowns@aol.com
    Jeff, I have an empennage for sale. Do you know anyone that would be interested? It is 90% assembled. -----Original Message----- From: j2fortune@aol.com Sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 7:28 AM Subject: Zenith-List: CH-801 POH I'm near completion of my CH-801 kit, N63VK and would greatly appreciate any means to avoid reinventing a POH. Thank you in advance for any leg up on this stage of the project. I have PDF versions of various POH's for other aircraft. Would be very apprecative of a editable starting point, best if 801 specific . Jeff St. Petersburg, FL Land, sea, rotorcraft pilot fyi engine: Superior XP360 amphibian: Czech floats photos available ________________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 07:21:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: CH-801 POH / tail assembly for sale
    From: j2fortune@aol.com
    sorry no -----Original Message----- From: newbluecrowns@aol.com Sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH-801 POH / tail assembly for sale Jeff, I have an empennage for sale. Do you know anyone that would be interested? It is 90% assembled. -----Original Message----- From: j2fortune@aol.com Sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 7:28 AM Subject: Zenith-List: CH-801 POH I'm near completion of my CH-801 kit, N63VK and would greatly appreciate any means to avoid reinventing a POH. Thank you in advance for any leg up on this stage of the project. I have PDF versions of various POH's for other aircraft. Would be very apprecative of a editable starting point, best if 801 specific . Jeff St. Petersburg, FL Land, sea, rotorcraft pilot fyi engine: Superior XP360 amphibian: Czech floats photos available ________________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 07:24:12 AM PST US
    From: "wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
    Subject: 601xl gear bending
    Hello group ,has any of the 601XL scratch builders on this site bent their landing gear .If so ,is it a process they would do again or would they buy it from a source .I have priced the blank piece from Trident ,they quoted a price of $213.00 .The price from ZAC is $570.00 for the finished product .Is this something that can be done from home by welding up a fixture and using hydraulic pressure . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200


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    Time: 08:48:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Canopy cleaning
    From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
    Tracy, Over the years I've tried many products and finally settled on a cleaner/polish from LP Aero http://www.lpaero.com/accessories.html There are many good products out there which would work just as well, but often the other aspects of window cleaning are ignored. You must remember that the plastic of the canopy will easily scratch.... using paper towels and sponges is often the equivalent of going at it with fine sandpaper. If you ever did a microscopic exam of a paper towel you would find small particles of grit embedded in it. There are some new ones specially made for cleaning plastic (DuPont Sontara AC Window Wipes) but I haven't tried them yet. The procedure I recommend is to use plenty of preferably warm water (with a drop of dish soap added to break surface tension) work the bugs off with your bare fingers and wipe with a piece of clean 100% cotton flannel. You can then use the damp cloth to apply the polish and then wipe it off with a dry one. I had my wife buy a couple of yards of flannel and cut it into 1 foot squares which I store in a big ziplock bag. You will never eliminate all scratches but you can slow down their accumulation. LP Aero also has the full text of their maintenance instructions at http://www.lpaero.com/CAREINS.pdf Good luck! Tim Juhl -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=104282#104282


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    Time: 09:27:15 AM PST US
    From: "Herbert Heaton" <heatonhe36@msn.com>
    Subject: 601xl gear bending
    Wade, I have contemplated the same thing. I calculated the minimum pressure required to bend the 3/4" x 8" 6061-T6 would be about 12 ton. The hydraulic press brake I can use at work is only 9 ton so I've been looking for an alternative solution. I received a quote from Zenith for part #6G3-1 at $720. If you can get it for $570, grab it. The complete gear assembly...Spring Gear, Nose Wheel, Main Wheels, Brakes, Tires, Tubes, Master Cylinders came to $2,000. Consider if you make a bend not quite perpendicular to the edge, you have just scraped $213 of aluminum you can't repair. I think I'll get another quote from Zenith and if they say $570, I'll buy it and save myself a lot of work and frustration. Herb >From: "wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl gear bending >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:23:49 -0500 > >Hello group ,has any of the 601XL scratch builders on this site bent their >landing gear .If so ,is it a process they would do again or would they buy >it from a source .I have priced the blank piece from Trident ,they quoted a >price of $213.00 .The price from ZAC is $570.00 for the finished product >.Is this something that can be done from home by welding up a fixture and >using hydraulic pressure . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas >601XL plans building >Cont. 0200


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    Time: 09:33:46 AM PST US
    From: "robert stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Canopy cleaning
    Bryan, Thanks for the reply, but you did not tell me where I can get the stuff?? Tracy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy cleaning > > I've been using Novus #1 with very good results. > > On Apr 1, 2007, at 8:40 AM, robert stone wrote: > >> Members, >> What is the best product any of you know of to clean a Plexiglas >> canopy. >> > > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, > RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. > do not archive. > > >


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    Time: 09:35:17 AM PST US
    From: "robert stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Canopy cleaning
    Larry, Thanks for the reply but like Bryan who also replied with a sugestion as to what to use, you did not tell me where I can get it. Tracy ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:14 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy cleaning > > Robert, > I've been using a product called Clear View in a spray can and microfiber > towels to polish and > clean the canopy. It works great and the microfiber towels can be bought > at any local Farm & Fleet > or automotive store. Just water with microfiber towels works well for > removing bugs too. > > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > do not archive > > > robert stone wrote: >> Members, >> What is the best product any of you know of to clean a Plexiglas >> canopy. >> Tracy Stone >> ZodiacXL >> Harker Heights, Tx >> * >> >> >> * > > >


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    Time: 10:28:49 AM PST US
    From: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
    Subject: Re: Canopy cleaning
    Robert, The Clear View can be ordered from Aircraft Spruce and it's as good as anything, but microfiber cloth is the more important choice because it's used to polish anything acrylic and it doesn't scratch at all. Slightly more cost, but they are also washable. Larry Do not archive robert stone wrote: > > Larry, > Thanks for the reply but like Bryan who also replied with a > sugestion as to what to use, you did not tell me where I can get it. > > Tracy > ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" > <larry@macsmachine.com> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:14 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy cleaning > > >> <larry@macsmachine.com> >> >> Robert, >> I've been using a product called Clear View in a spray can and >> microfiber towels to polish and >> clean the canopy. It works great and the microfiber towels can be >> bought at any local Farm & Fleet >> or automotive store. Just water with microfiber towels works well >> for removing bugs too. >> >> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com >> do not archive >> >> >> robert stone wrote: >>> Members, >>> What is the best product any of you know of to clean a >>> Plexiglas canopy. >>> Tracy Stone >>> ZodiacXL >>> Harker Heights, Tx >>> * >


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    Time: 11:23:39 AM PST US
    From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Canopy cleaning
    you can also use talcum powder as a scratch remover. juan -----Original Message----- >From: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com> >Sent: Apr 1, 2007 1:27 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy cleaning > > >Robert, >The Clear View can be ordered from Aircraft Spruce and it's as good as >anything, but >microfiber cloth is the more important choice because it's used to >polish anything acrylic >and it doesn't scratch at all. Slightly more cost, but they are also >washable. > >Larry >Do not archive > >robert stone wrote: >> >> Larry, >> Thanks for the reply but like Bryan who also replied with a >> sugestion as to what to use, you did not tell me where I can get it. >> >> Tracy >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" >> <larry@macsmachine.com> >> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:14 AM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy cleaning >> >> >>> <larry@macsmachine.com> >>> >>> Robert, >>> I've been using a product called Clear View in a spray can and >>> microfiber towels to polish and >>> clean the canopy. It works great and the microfiber towels can be >>> bought at any local Farm & Fleet >>> or automotive store. Just water with microfiber towels works well >>> for removing bugs too. >>> >>> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com >>> do not archive >>> >>> >>> robert stone wrote: >>>> Members, >>>> What is the best product any of you know of to clean a >>>> Plexiglas canopy. >>>> Tracy Stone >>>> ZodiacXL >>>> Harker Heights, Tx >>>> * >> > >


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    Time: 11:43:06 AM PST US
    From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: RE: NACA scoops
    please send me the picture, i would ove to see it and it did not come through. -----Original Message----- >From: Roger Venables <roger@nwtradingpost.com> >Sent: Mar 31, 2007 11:50 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: RE: NACA scoops > >Dred > > > >Nice job. Where did you get those scoops from? > > > >Roger > > > >From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Edward Moody II >Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 5:18 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Spar Dent > > > >I couldn't see it with the big red circle. As others told you, it was no big >deal but I could tell that it was bugging you as it would have bugged me. >You made an excellent fix without going overboard at all. True, some other >guy's plane will fly just fine and nobody will know whether or not he >straightened out his dings. So what? You know you took time to do it to your >satisfaction. Cool huh? > > > >Looky what I did today.... farted around for almost four hours to do Naca >scoops and eyeball vent mounts > > > >Dred >


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    Time: 12:29:25 PM PST US
    From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Canopy cleaning
    Aircraft Spruce carries it. $3.95 for an 8-oz. spray bottle or $10.90 for 64-oz. They also carry the Novus #2 and #3 for light and heavy scratch removal. I've also used those with good results. Other places sell Novus plastic polish but A. S. seems the have about the lowest price. On Apr 1, 2007, at 12:31 PM, robert stone wrote: > > Bryan, > Thanks for the reply, but you did not tell me where I can get > the stuff?? > > Tracy > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Martin" > <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:05 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy cleaning > > >> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> >> >> I've been using Novus #1 with very good results. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive.


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    Time: 02:24:08 PM PST US
    From: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
    Subject: NACA vents and other goodies
    Fellars, It's been pointed out a few times in the past but...even though you're not building an RV, Vans has a bunch of really neat goodies for our use too. Check out: http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?browse=heatvent&product =ventilation-components<http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi ?browse=heatvent&product=ventilation-components> smallie


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    Time: 02:28:28 PM PST US
    From: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: canopy cleaning
    What is the best product any of you know of to clean a Plexiglas canopy. Try Lava soap. jeff


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    Time: 05:48:25 PM PST US
    Subject: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola FL?
    From: "13brv3" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
    Greetings, Subject pretty much says it all. I've been interested in the 601XL for years, and am once again shopping for a "next project". I'd love to see one of these, and hopefully get the chance to at least sit in one. A ride would be almost too much to hope for, but I sure wouldn't turn one down :D Thanks, Rusty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=104377#104377


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    Time: 05:54:06 PM PST US
    From: "Aaron Gustafson" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
    Subject: Re: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola
    FL? You don't say where you are! do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "13brv3" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: Zenith-List: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola FL? > > Greetings, > > Subject pretty much says it all. I've been interested in the 601XL for > years, and am once again shopping for a "next project". I'd love to see > one of these, and hopefully get the chance to at least sit in one. A ride > would be almost too much to hope for, but I sure wouldn't turn one down > :D > > Thanks, > Rusty > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=104377#104377 > > > -- > 8:54 PM > >


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    Time: 05:57:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Ram Subaru Conversions...Good? or Bad?
    From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
    I was told you guys on the Zenith list might now a little more about the Ram Engines subaru conversions? Here is what I am looking at: I am building a Kitfox and am having trouble deciding on an engine. I could go with the tried and true Rotax 912 but I want a bit more power and performance. A couple weeks ago, I cam across Ram Engines and their subaru conversions. I like the looks of the EA81 conversion they do that reportedly puts out 140 hp. The specs on the engine put it just slightly heavier than the Rotax but with 40 more horsepower! That has got to be good right? Well, I have heard some bad things about subaru conversions but I believe that most of them stem from the NSI conversions that has since gone south. I called and spoke with Ron at Ram Engines and he seemed to be very nice and extremely knowledgable. Now the question: Does anyone have any experience with Ram Engines? How does the engine run? Is the weight as specified? Have there been any major problems with the engine? Etc. I am looking specifically for information about the engines and the experience with Ram Engines from a customer support standpoint. I am hoping you guys may provide more insight as I like the looks of this powerplant. Thanks, Darin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=104381#104381


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    Time: 06:15:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola
    FL?
    From: "13brv3" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
    Well, the subject says "near Pensacola FL". Specifically, I'm in Navarre, FL, but I didn't figure too many people would know where that is without a good map :-) Rusty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=104384#104384


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    Time: 06:27:29 PM PST US
    From: "Aaron Gustafson" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
    Subject: Re: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola
    FL? Sorry. The heading was too long and that part was off the screen. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "13brv3" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola FL? > > Well, the subject says "near Pensacola FL". Specifically, I'm in Navarre, > FL, but I didn't figure too many people would know where that is without a > good map :-) > > Rusty > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=104384#104384 > > > -- > 8:54 PM > >


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    Time: 06:32:38 PM PST US
    From: "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
    Subject: Re: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola
    FL? Do yourself a favor and drive up to visit with William Wynne. He has a flying 601 and is a great fellow to spend time with. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 13brv3 Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:15 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola FL? Well, the subject says "near Pensacola FL". Specifically, I'm in Navarre, FL, but I didn't figure too many people would know where that is without a good map :-) Rusty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=104384#104384 -- 3/30/2007 1:15 PM -- 3/30/2007 1:15 PM


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    Time: 06:51:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Fuel Filler Neck Woes
    From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
    I'm posting this in the hope that others may be spared the problem that I faced with my fuel tank filler. About two months ago I installed capacitance type fuel level sensors in my 15 gallon ZAC made tanks. Deciding it would be a good idea to test for leaks I put about 5 gallons of fuel in each one, screwed the filler neck in by hand, installed the cap and set them aside for a couple of weeks. There were no leaks and after I drained the fuel out I went to remove the filler neck. The left tank came apart ok but the neck in the right one moved about half a turn and stuck. I and an A & P mechanic friend tried everything we could think of but in the end had to carefully cut the filler neck out. It was almost like the threads had welded together, even though I had used oil on them before installing. For what it was worth, I had noticed a couple of spots that turned a little harder when I screwed it in. I contacted ZAC and they informed me that they would put me on the list to borrow the "big tap" to clean the tank flange's threads out. It was a few weeks before it was my turn but when it came this week I used it successfully to clean up the threads in both tanks. When finished, the new neck (almost a $70 part) screwed in and out very easily. Today I installed it using a thread sealant and it when on very nicely. I would recommend to anyone that if your filler does not turn in easily that you may want to clean up the threads before trying to install. I've heard of other builders that have had similar problems of freezing threads and it can be costly in time and money to repair. Tim Juhl Starting Left Wing - Right finished (finally) Jabiru 3300A -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=104390#104390 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/beforeandafter_895.jpg


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    Time: 07:10:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Filler Neck Woes
    From: n787xl@aol.com
    Tim I had a similiar problem and solved it by making a tool out of delrin that fit the filler neck and was large enough so I could apply the required torque to remove the filler neck. regards James S -----Original Message----- From: juhl@avci.net To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 6:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Filler Neck Woes I'm posting this in the hope that others may be spared the problem that I faced with my fuel tank filler. About two months ago I installed capacitance type fuel level sensors in my 15 gallon ZAC made tanks. Deciding it would be a good idea to test for leaks I put about 5 gallons of fuel in each one, screwed the filler neck in by hand, installed the cap and set them aside for a couple of weeks. There were no leaks and after I drained the fuel out I went to remove the filler neck. The left tank came apart ok but the neck in the right one moved about half a turn and stuck. I and an A & P mechanic friend tried everything we could think of but in the end had to carefully cut the filler neck out. It was almost like the threads had welded together, even though I had used oil on them before installing. For what it was worth, I had noticed a couple of spots that turned a little harder when I screwed it in. I contacted ZAC and they informed me that they would put me on the list to borrow the "big tap" to clean the tank flange's threads out. It was a few weeks before it was my turn but when it came this week I used it successfully to clean up the threads in both tanks. When finished, the new neck (almost a $70 part) screwed in and out very easily. Today I installed it using a thread sealant and it when on very nicely. I would recommend to anyone that if your filler does not turn in easily that you may want to clean up the threads before trying to install. I've heard of other builders that have had similar problems of freezing threads and it can be costly in time and money to repair. Tim Juhl Starting Left Wing - Right finished (finally) Jabiru 3300A -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=104390#104390 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/beforeandafter_895.jpg ________________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 07:25:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola
    FL?
    From: "13brv3" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
    Hi Mark, William appears to be in Jacksonville, FL, which is about 5.5 hours away. It would be well worth going there if I had any interest in using a Corvair engine, but that's not part of the plan. Hopefully, there will be something a bit closer. Thanks, Rusty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=104399#104399


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    Time: 07:31:44 PM PST US
    From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Ram Subaru Conversions...Good? or Bad?
    Didn't ,you read all the Emails last time out ? Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Ram Subaru Conversions...Good? or Bad? > > I was told you guys on the Zenith list might now a little more about the > Ram Engines subaru conversions? Here is what I am looking at: I am > building a Kitfox and am having trouble deciding on an engine. I could go > with the tried and true Rotax 912 but I want a bit more power and > performance. > > A couple weeks ago, I cam across Ram Engines and their subaru conversions. > I like the looks of the EA81 conversion they do that reportedly puts out > 140 hp. The specs on the engine put it just slightly heavier than the > Rotax but with 40 more horsepower! That has got to be good right? Well, > I have heard some bad things about subaru conversions but I believe that > most of them stem from the NSI conversions that has since gone south. I > called and spoke with Ron at Ram Engines and he seemed to be very nice and > extremely knowledgable. > > Now the question: Does anyone have any experience with Ram Engines? How > does the engine run? Is the weight as specified? Have there been any > major problems with the engine? Etc. > > I am looking specifically for information about the engines and the > experience with Ram Engines from a customer support standpoint. I am > hoping you guys may provide more insight as I like the looks of this > powerplant. > > Thanks, > > Darin > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=104381#104381 > > >


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    Time: 09:16:55 PM PST US
    From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
    Subject: CH-801 POH
    These 601 manuals can be edited: http://www.ch601.org/resources/601OperatingManual-1.zip - Rich Text Format, can be opened in almost any word processor http://www.ch601.org/resources/HDS_P_O_H.doc - Microsoft Word I didn't see any 701 POHs on the www.ch701.com site. -- Craig _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of j2fortune@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:29 AM Subject: Zenith-List: CH-801 POH I'm near completion of my CH-801 kit, N63VK and would greatly appreciate any means to avoid reinventing a POH. Thank you in advance for any leg up on this stage of the project. I have PDF versions of various POH's for other aircraft. Would be very apprecative of a editable starting point, best if 801 specific . Jeff St. Petersburg, FL Land, sea, rotorcraft pilot fyi engine: Superior XP360 amphibian: Czech floats photos available _____


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    Time: 09:16:55 PM PST US
    From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
    Subject: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola
    FL? Also if you are serious about this it would behoove you to travel to Sun-N-Fun. Aside from the factory's planes there should be multiple builders and XLs there. Yes, I realize it is 6.5 hour drive. But this is a big investment. -- Craig


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    Time: 09:16:56 PM PST US
    From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
    Subject: flying or fairly complete 601XL projects near Pensacola
    FL? Niceville looks close by (27 miles) - there is this entry in the Zenith builder database: Builder Information: Name: Gary Bean Login Name: Jeepguy Address: 201 Dominica Circle E. Niceville Florida 32578 United States Email: GaryBean45@WMconnect.com Tel: (850)897-4018 Building From: ZODIAC Complete Kit Status: Just Started Engine Jabiru 3300 Date Started: 2005 My homepage: Favorite website: Age: 59 Occupation: Retired Employer: US Airways Building 601XL. Finished rudder on April 21,2005 May 29,2005 Finished horizontal stabilizer, except for fiberglass tips. June 28,2005 : Finished elevator and elevator trim. July and August..Time off to attend Airventure 2005. Waiting on delivery of remainder of kit. Sept 21,2005 : Finished wing flaps. Sept 25,2005 : Finished the Ailerons, and aileron trim. Nov 18,2005 Finished right wing. Dec 13,2005 Finished left wing. Latest Updates: Dec 15,2005 : Started on Fuselage. Why I'm building an aircraft: Aviation Background: No prior building experience. Flying since 1969. 20 years in USAF, 13 years with airline. ATP


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    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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    Dear Listers, Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Zenith-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Zenith-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Zenith-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive




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