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1. 01:12 AM - Re: Bailing out of 601 (chrisoz@bmail.com.au)
2. 01:14 AM - Re: First wing complete (Hunt Malcolm)
3. 06:12 AM - Dave's wing work (wade jones)
4. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank dip stick (robert stone)
5. 07:53 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (japhillipsga@aol.com)
6. 09:13 AM - Re: Remote Fuel Cut Off (Chris Lewis)
7. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Bailing out of 601 (Big Gee)
8. 09:54 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (ZodieRocket)
9. 10:52 AM - Sun N Fun Zenith Bar B Que ()
10. 11:34 AM - Re: Dave's wing work (TxDave)
11. 12:10 PM - 701 Conventional Gear ... (Bima, Martin)
12. 12:21 PM - Education (Jaybannist@cs.com)
13. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Bailing out of 601 (Bryan Martin)
14. 02:19 PM - Re: Fuel tank dip stick (Tim Juhl)
15. 02:23 PM - Re: Flap Wiring (MacDonald Doug)
16. 02:28 PM - 701 Slat Jig? (Tim Coffman)
17. 02:43 PM - Re: Flap Wiring (Craig Payne)
18. 03:55 PM - Re: Bailing out of a 601! ()
19. 07:10 PM - Re: 701 Slat Jig? (NYTerminat@AOL.COM)
20. 07:17 PM - Auxilliary 701 Tanks (Charles Kyle)
21. 07:59 PM - Re: 701 Slat Jig? (ROBERT SCEPPA)
22. 08:42 PM - Re: First wing complete (Ron Lendon)
23. 09:54 PM - Re: Auxilliary 701 Tanks (jetboy)
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| Subject: | Re: Bailing out of 601 |
Hi Listers,
I have been following this thread and am fascinated that nobody has
mentioned that for a long time the 601 family had the problem of LOOSING
their canopys in flight. The old CH side hinging mechanism is prone to
accidental elbow action, leading to loss of canopy. Happened quite often,
and suddenly you found yourself sitting in 100 mph winds in a convertible.
Generally the canopys did not hit the empenage, and as far as I know
everybody was able to land. Helps to have goggles on board I suppose...
Anyway, if you are concerned about inflight egress from the plane, get the
old style canopy mechanism (also so much easier to built than the new one,
though seriously un-sexy), flip the lock and duck, and after the canopy is
gone pull the stick back and then push forward, unload the plane and float
out of the cockpit under negative G.
Personally I would go for the BRS, and have actually fitted BRS systems to
the three Zodiacs I have finished and flown. The guys who lost their wing
the other day might still be around if they had had one...
Happy Easter everybody!!
Chris from Perth (Southern Hemisphere)
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| Subject: | First wing complete |
Dave
Well done Dave and thanks for sharing you project with us. it gives us
all a lift!
I have just completed a day of bending using my Clay Bending Brake, I
cant believe how simple it is to use and the accuracy that can be
achieved - thanks for giving the details I think a lot of builders are
going to find scratch building is not a difficult as first thought, just
more time is required.
Best regards
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL plans builder in England
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TxDave
Sent: 05 April 2007 06:33
Subject: Zenith-List: First wing complete
Well gang, today I finally finished my right wing. Its a great feeling
to know I made every single part by hand (except the fiberglass tip and
the hardware). Most of the parts for the left wing are made, so it
should go together more quickly. I couldn't have reached this milestone
without the good people on this list who took the time to answer my
questions and offer much needed advice and inspiration. Thanks to you
all.
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
601XL scratch builder
http://www.daves601xl.com
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| Subject: | Dave's wing work |
Hello Dave ,again your wing work looks great .I built your bending brake
at the start of my scratch building project .The brake has worked
flawlessly throughout my 601XL building and most of the parts have
already been bent .Your advise and support to me and the group has been
greatly appreciated.
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank dip stick |
Hi Tim,
Try using an aluminum rod and use a file to make a notch for each
gallon. Fuel of any kind will remove most paint and or ink and it will also
seep into wood so aluminum notched is the best way to go.
Tracy Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel tank dip stick
>
> I've had two of those clear plastic fuel gauges from Sportys. The first
> one started developing cracks across the width of the plastic and finally
> fell apart. The second one is showing the same cracks. I don't know if
> the are adversely reacting to auto fuel or what. I guess I'll have to
> make another wooden dipstick.
>
>
> On Apr 4, 2007, at 4:56 PM, Juan Vega wrote:
>
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> great Idea, the SUperhawk tank guages are high grade PVC with numbers
>> marking that are fuel proof. Its a pipette with markings and its only
>> $5.00 i think.
>>
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
>
>
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Mark, what kind of food stuff can we bring to help ? Last year seems we ran
out of drinks long before the chow. Some of would prefer to donate that way
. Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: zodierocket@hsfx.ca
Sent: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 3:30 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun
Well 2 Root canals and restorative dental surgery, as I look out the window
and see that I=99m in the middle of a snow blizzard ! I have to tell y
ou all that I=99m in a great mood!
The Sun-N-Fun Webmaster BBQ on Thursday April 19th 5pm =93 8pm is gain
ing unprecedented momentum, we are now at over 160 people pre-registered ! T
his is just incredible ! I will be finalizing the name tags soon and hope th
at anyone who was sitting on the fence is able to go to www.ch601.org or www
.ch701.com and fill in the online form. Remember folks this is your ticket f
or the food! This year we are going to setup a little differently, we are l
ocated in the campground at the same location as last year but this time we
will have a table at the front of the event where all the name tags will be
located.
Your ticket Table will be hosted by Ramelle Bintz . Ramelle will be there to
help you get your nametag, also new for this year we have donations to raff
le off. The grand raffle is a Cummings Spinner, custom made for your plane
and prop, kindly donated by Allan at Cummings Spinners in Australia.
Next, I would really like to note that once again we have sponsors that have
really stepped up. Though I ask for donations to help out with the food at
the event and I put every cent back into the BBQ or to the next BBQ. IT woul
d not be possible without the help of our sponsors! I wish to THANK the grea
t generosity of
USA William Wynne FlyCorvair.com
Flight Crafters
Jabiru USA, William Wynne, Quality Sport Planes, Flight Crafters, Homebuilth
elp.com are all businesses that contribute to this event this year. With tha
t we are able to offer the kind of event that goes far beyond the simple bur
ger on a bun! This year like last year we will have burgers, dogs, corn and
wings. I will also be getting more pop, salads and dessert this year, we ran
a little short last year.
So All in ALL we are on target for the largest event yet! And the largest Ze
nith Owners and Builders gathering ever! IF your not registered do you reall
y want to miss out on something this big? Come on Sun-N-Fun is a great place
to be!!!
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com
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| Subject: | Re: Remote Fuel Cut Off |
Check this out:
http://www.spectrumct.com/products/14000/dimensions/
Chris in Seattle
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701 Scratch Builder
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| Subject: | Re: Bailing out of 601 |
I believe there was a person decapitaed in Canada several years ago. His canopy
came off, and he didn't see the power lines---------
do not archive
chrisoz@bmail.com.au wrote:
Hi Listers,
I have been following this thread and am fascinated that nobody has
mentioned that for a long time the 601 family had the problem of LOOSING
their canopys in flight. The old CH side hinging mechanism is prone to
accidental elbow action, leading to loss of canopy. Happened quite often,
and suddenly you found yourself sitting in 100 mph winds in a convertible.
Generally the canopys did not hit the empenage, and as far as I know
everybody was able to land. Helps to have goggles on board I suppose...
Anyway, if you are concerned about inflight egress from the plane, get the
old style canopy mechanism (also so much easier to built than the new one,
though seriously un-sexy), flip the lock and duck, and after the canopy is
gone pull the stick back and then push forward, unload the plane and float
out of the cockpit under negative G.
Personally I would go for the BRS, and have actually fitted BRS systems to
the three Zodiacs I have finished and flown. The guys who lost their wing
the other day might still be around if they had had one...
Happy Easter everybody!!
Chris from Perth (Southern Hemisphere)
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Bill as ALWAYS I would be more then happy to have people bring salads
and dessert ! I try to supply one salad and pickles, the rest of the
table is open for donations. I will be tripling my drinks this year from
last years. Oh and remember to bring your own chairs!!
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
HYPERLINK
"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
japhillipsga@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun
Mark, what kind of food stuff can we bring to help ? Last year seems we
ran out of drinks long before the chow. Some of would prefer to donate
that way. Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: zodierocket@hsfx.ca
Sent: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 3:30 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun
Well 2 Root canals and restorative dental surgery, as I look out the
window and see that I=92m in the middle of a snow blizzard ! I have to
tell you all that I=92m in a great mood!
The Sun-N-Fun Webmaster BBQ on Thursday April 19th 5pm ' 8pm is
gaining
unprecedented momentum, we are now at over 160 people pre-registered !
This is just incredible ! I will be finalizing the name tags soon and
hope that anyone who was sitting on the fence is able to go to HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch601.org/" \nwww.ch601.org or HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch701.com/" \nwww.ch701.com and fill in the online form.
Remember folks this is your ticket for the food! This year we are going
to setup a little differently, we are located in the campground at the
same location as last year but this time we will have a table at the
front of the event where all the name tags will be located.
Your ticket Table will be hosted by Ramelle Bintz . Ramelle will be
there to help you get your nametag, also new for this year we have
donations to raffle off. The grand raffle is a Cummings Spinner, custom
made for your plane and prop, kindly donated by Allan at Cummings
Spinners in Australia.
Next, I would really like to note that once again we have sponsors that
have really stepped up. Though I ask for donations to help out with the
food at the event and I put every cent back into the BBQ or to the next
BBQ. IT would not be possible without the help of our sponsors! I wish
to THANK the great generosity of
USA William Wynne FlyCorvair.com
HYPERLINK
"http://www.flightcrafters.citymaker.com/page/page/1694089.htm" \nFlight
Crafters
Jabiru USA, William Wynne, Quality Sport Planes, Flight Crafters,
Homebuilthelp.com are all businesses that contribute to this event this
year. With that we are able to offer the kind of event that goes far
beyond the simple burger on a bun! This year like last year we will have
burgers, dogs, corn and wings. I will also be getting more pop, salads
and dessert this year, we ran a little short last year.
So All in ALL we are on target for the largest event yet! And the
largest Zenith Owners and Builders gathering ever! IF your not
registered do you really want to miss out on something this big? Come on
Sun-N-Fun is a great place to be!!!
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org/" \nwww.ch601.org / HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch701.com/" \nwww.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK
"http://www.osprey2.com/" \nwww.Osprey2.com
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| Subject: | Sun N Fun Zenith Bar B Que |
Mark, Bill of GA and all Listers,
My campsite, on Echo St. is the site of our Zenith Bar B Que at Sun N Fun
again this year. I can attest to Mark's reminder to "BRING YOUR CHAIR". Last
year even the steps of my camper were prime real estate for seating. I wish
I could bring a chair for everyone, but 160 chairs are quite a few!! If you
want a seat, please bring your own.
I hope to get to talk with all of you on Thursday evening April 19th.
Jim Hoak - 601HD
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's wing work |
Thanks for the kind words, Wade. I'll be picking your brain when I get to my fuselage.
I think that by the time I finish building this airplane I will have learned
how to build an airplane. Kind of ironic, isn't it?
do not archive
Dave Clay
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| Subject: | 701 Conventional Gear ... |
Notice I did not say "tail-dragger" just to let y'all know I am serious.
How many and who are running the conventional gear version of the 701?
Any issues, problems, benefits?
Thanks
Martin Bima
STOL-Vair
Must make fuselage decision soon.....
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Hi Listers!
So it's all about education. "Mistakes are avoided with experience, but that experience
comes from making mistakes." Well, I got a big dose of both today.
I learned that BNC connectors are not candidates for "mix-n-match." I have many
BNC connectors in various configurations and from different sources, and I tried
to free-lance. It doesn't always work! And it sure can contribute a lot
of frustration! (Don't ask!)
So, a word to the wise: Use only the BNC components that came packed with the
body, namely the center pin and the ferrule. Don't even think about mixing components
from different packages, different configurations or different suppliers.
Live to an older and wiser age.
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Bailing out of 601 |
Oh no! Now you've done! Now we'll get a whole bunch of posts about
mounting cable cutters on Zodiacs. :)
On Apr 5, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Big Gee wrote:
> I believe there was a person decapitated in Canada several years
> ago. His canopy came off, and he didn't see the power lines---------
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank dip stick |
I don't use paint or ink on my plastic tube.... I used one of those cheap vibrating
engravers for the numbers and a tubing cutter to mark a nice straight line
around the tube.
I used to use a paint stick but didn't get as good a reading. I never tried a
metal stick with a fluid like gas.
Tim
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
______________
CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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Lynn, one thing that was not explained in detail about
the wire type is the reason why you should use tefzel
wiring.
In the event of an electrical fire or meltdown, PVC
insulated automotive wire gives off a very toxic smoke
that can quickly incapacitate the pilot in an enclosed
cockpit. Tefzel, on the other hand, while giving off
an annoying smoke, should not be seriously harmful.
The trailer wiring you mentioned would most likely be
PVC insulated.
A couple of good sources of information on aircraft
wiring are the aeroelectric connection website. Jon
Croke has a good beginners DVD on wiring on the
homebuilthelp.com website. Also, Greg Richter of Blue
Mountain Avionics has a good beginners guide to
electrical systems but it is not easy to find on his
website. I couldn't find it the last time I looked.
Hope this info helps.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
Do Not Archive
--- Lynn & Nancy <ding@tbscc.com> wrote:
> <ding@tbscc.com>
>
> Craig,
> Thanks for the input on the flap wiring.
> That will get me
> started.
> do not archive
> Lynn 601XL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:18 PM
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flap Wiring
>
>
> <craig@craigandjean.com>
> >
> > If this is for an XL then 6-B-20 (Date 06/03)
> shows that all 4 wires carry
> > the full current. I've measure a steady-state
> current draw of about 4
> amps.
> > For that current over a rough length of 7-10 feet
> 18 gauge would be a
> > suitable size:
> >
> > www.rbeelectronics.com/wtable.htm
> >
> > Generally Tefzel wire is recommended in aircraft.
> >
> > -- Craig
> >
> >
> >
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
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Does anyone have a 701 slat jig they would like to sell?
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Tefzel is also a lot more nick-resistant.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Bailing out of a 601! |
Yeah, BRS is more the way to go.
Paul R
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Martin<mailto:bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bailing out of a 601!
<bryanmmartin@comcast.net<mailto:bryanmmartin@comcast.net>>
You'd also need to rig some way to release the gas shocks. You'd also
need to bolt something to the fuselage above the instrument pane to
deflect the canopy upward so it won't take your head off on its way
overboard. You could always build an open cockpit version, then it
would be easy to get out. :)
On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:51 PM,
<paulrod36@msn.com<mailto:paulrod36@msn.com>> wrote:
> Haven't gotten there yet, but I was thinking of reversing the
> canopy hinge bolts, leaving the nuts off, using some light holddown
> to keep them in place, and a cable-operated handle to pull the
> bolts and let the canopy "fly" off. Under those circumstances,
> though, you wouldn't need a light holddown. You'd probably generate
> a King Kong force. ((A BRS chute would be better)
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List<http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?Zenith-List>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Slat Jig? |
Where are you located?
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| Subject: | Auxilliary 701 Tanks |
Hi,
I would like to get thoughts on auxilliary tanks for the 701. I like the
idea of extra fuel on board and can stand the cost, but would like to know
what effect the extra fual weight has on flight characteristics. I am
wondering if the aircraft becomes at all sluggish in roll, or other effects
like that. Also, if someone has auxilliary tanks, do you frequentily make
use of the extra capacity and for what mission. Thanks in advance.
Chuck Kyle
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Slat Jig? |
> Tim, do you have your slat ribs made. If so then you
> use the ribs for reference on fabricating the jig.
> Are you having any difficulty on your project? How
> far are you along on the wings? I am now just
> fabricating the slat fittings to the nose ribs and
> I am doing it differently from the pics supplied in
> the manual. I know from experience that jigs are
> very helpful in any project. I devised a flange tool
> that works in a drill press. It worked very well on
> forming the flanges in the ribs. Feel free to email
> Bob Sceppa rjscep@yahoo.com.......do not archive
--- Tim Coffman <TCoffman@rfmd.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have a 701 slat jig they would like to
> sell?
>
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| Subject: | Re: First wing complete |
Looking good Dave, I better get going or your gonna beat me into the air.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Auxilliary 701 Tanks |
Chuck,
What you ask depends on whether you are considering a standard powerplant
or going outside the design limitations. The ZAC website has the info for
calculating the effects of running over MAUW. My own 701 is CZAW built with
85 litres capacity and when operating at full tanks full load there is a considerable
handling difference and performance penalty, same as a Cessna etc. although
TO distance is not much changed.
I would not operate over the 1100 lbs, if you add the 75 ltrs aux tanks you will
just be leaving off your exra baggage / lunch to keep the weight the same. If
you need over 1100 lbs you need a bigger plane - CH750 / 801 / 601 XL would
do. I would not expect any roll handling issues as the design is standard with
aux tanks and they are still inboard of the wing struts.
If I were starting from kit I would certainly fit the aux tanks, you dont have
to use them unless you go on a solo mission and want the extra security of range
and efficiency of not having to divert for fuel.
Ralph
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Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
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