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1. 06:07 AM - Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? (Frank Derfler)
2. 06:47 AM - Re: 701 Conventional Gear ... (MacDonald Doug)
3. 07:30 AM - Filing identifier? (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
4. 07:56 AM - Firewall Form (ricklach)
5. 08:02 AM - Re: 701 Conventional Gear (John M. Goodings)
6. 08:15 AM - Re: First wing complete (Gig Giacona)
7. 08:16 AM - Re: Filing identifier? (Bryan Martin)
8. 08:40 AM - Re: First wing complete (TxDave)
9. 09:08 AM - Re: Firewall Form (Aaron Gustafson)
10. 09:59 AM - Re: Filing identifier? (T. Graziano)
11. 10:04 AM - Re: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? (Tim Juhl)
12. 10:06 AM - Re: Filing identifier? (rick tedford)
13. 10:55 AM - Re: Filing identifier? (eedetail)
14. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? (Bryan Martin)
15. 12:47 PM - Re:Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? (RURUNY@aol.com)
16. 01:15 PM - Construction Records (George Race)
17. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? (Paul Mulwitz)
18. 05:02 PM - Wing Spar Rivet Line CH701 (mcolbeck)
19. 05:32 PM - Re: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? (Tim Juhl)
20. 05:32 PM - Lightening holes on rear ribs of 601XL (David Wright)
21. 06:00 PM - Re: Wing Spar Rivet Line CH701 (Jeff)
22. 06:10 PM - Re: Lightening holes on rear ribs of 601XL (Ron Lendon)
23. 06:12 PM - Re: Lightening holes on rear ribs of 601XL (LarryMcFarland)
24. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: Motivation (Gary Gower)
25. 06:56 PM - Re: Wing Spar Rivet Line CH701 (Jaybannist@cs.com)
26. 09:22 PM - Re: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? (Bryan Martin)
27. 11:02 PM - Re: Wing Spar Rivet Line CH701 (TxDave)
28. 11:29 PM - Re: Lightening holes on rear ribs of 601XL (TxDave)
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| Subject: | Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
I'm flying an AMD-made 601XL out of Marathon in the Florida Keys, I fly over
water 90% of the time. . My worry about getting out if I'm nose-down in the
drink is real. Yes, there is a "fire axe" by my left knee, but my primary
emergency drill is open the canopy, prop it open with my hard cover
kneeboard, and hope the deceleration swings it forward off the airplane when
I make my perfect water landing.
I have flown with the canopy unlocked and can testify that it raises up an
inch or two, makes a hell of a roar, but doesn't do anything else bad.
I have tried a taxi test (holding on to the handle) and I think that the
canopy will fly forward with hard deceleration.
I TRY to keep the baggage compartment pretty clean, but still it often has
hard objects in it. (Have you seen the "Myth Busters" "Killer Tissue Box"
episode?) .
So, thinking about keeping my head under rapid deceleration, has anyone
developed a "best way" to install a cargo net in the baggage space of a
601XL?
Sources of the net? Pictures?
Frank Derfler N183AM AMD-made 601XL (and yes, I love it and would buy it
all over again... although I'd put another Dynon screen on the right side)
See my information for pilots at www.flyinflorida.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Conventional Gear ... |
Hi Martin, I too thought that a CH-701 tail dragger
would be neat. Conventional gear was an option at the
beginning of the CH-701 series. According to Chris
Heintz (at Oshkosh) they discontinued the option when
they decided A:they weren't selling many, B:the
inherent ground handling risks of conventional gear
(not big deal in my opinion), and C:the conventional
gear did not get off the ground as fast as the trike.
According to Chris, the trike drops the tail when it
is ready to fly and away you go. With conventional
gear you have to get going fast enough to lift the
tail to build up to take off speed and then drop it
back down to give you the angle of attack to initiate
the climb. This is due to the "Inverted Airfoil"
design of the tail.
It's possible that I am miss quoting the reasons but
the basic "it doesn't work as well" statement comes
right from Chris.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
Fort Frances, ON
Working on electric flapperons
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--- "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca> wrote:
>
> Notice I did not say "tail-dragger" just to let
> y'all know I am serious.
>
> How many and who are running the conventional gear
> version of the 701?
>
> Any issues, problems, benefits?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Martin Bima
> STOL-Vair
>
> Must make fuselage decision soon.....
>
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
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| Subject: | Filing identifier? |
Just a survey-type question - When filing a flight plan for a 601, do
people tend to use the FAA identifier for the factory-built version,
CH60, or the standard identifier for an experimental, HXA or HXB
(depending on speed)?
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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I decided to go with a stainless steel firewall rather than the galvanized one
supplied by Zenith. But now I need a Form to make it. Would any of you scratch
builders sell, rent, loan or trust me with your form so I could form my firewall.
If youre a kind person I can be reached at:
661-345-7755 or rick@ravengear.us
Thanks Rick
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Conventional Gear |
It was remarked at a recent RAA meeting that if tricycle gear had been
invented first, when someone came along with a tail-dragger design, it
would have been rejected as impractical and unsafe!
Do not archive.
John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Toronto/Ottawa
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| Subject: | Re: First wing complete |
Looks great but I have a question and can't really tell from the photo. Have you
riveted the flap to the wing?
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Filing identifier? |
I use CH60. The CH60 doesn't just apply to the factory built version,
it existed long before AMD started building the 601XL. Even Vans RV3s
have a standard identifier (RV3) and the RV3 has never been factory
built. The CH620 Gemini has an identifier (CH62) and only the one
prototype was ever built.
On Apr 6, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Dr. Andrew Elliott wrote:
> Just a survey-type question - When filing a flight plan for a 601,
> do people tend to use the FAA identifier for the factory-built
> version, CH60, or the standard identifier for an experimental, HXA
> or HXB (depending on speed)?
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: First wing complete |
No Gig, it's just setting there for the photo. I'll wait until the wing is attached
before final flap installation.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Form |
Speaking of forms. I have a complete set of HD forms for anyone who'll pay
the shipping. However I could envision $30+ shipping due to the weight and
size of a box to send them. I'm in Upper Michigan.
agustafson@chartermi.net do not archive
Aaron
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| Subject: | Re: Filing identifier? |
Interesting. Never even thought to look under Zenith/Zenair. May also
be a good question to ask of the EAA at infoserv@eaa.org for their iput,
Dr Elliott. Looks like a good candidate for the EAA e-Hotline "Question
of the Week".
Tony Graziano
XL, N493TG; 226 hrs.
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Re: Filing identifier?
From: Bryan Martin (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Apr 06 - 8:16 AM
I use CH60. The CH60 doesn't just apply to the factory built version,
it existed long before AMD started building the 601XL. Even Vans RV3s
have a standard identifier (RV3) and the RV3 has never been factory
built. The CH620 Gemini has an identifier (CH62) and only the one
prototype was ever built.
On Apr 6, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Dr. Andrew Elliott wrote:
> Just a survey-type question - When filing a flight plan for a 601,
> do people tend to use the FAA identifier for the factory-built
> version, CH60, or the standard identifier for an experimental, HXA
> or HXB (depending on speed)?
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
Fixed gear aircraft will tend to flip upside down on contact with the water and
then right themselves somewhat. The tight seal of the skins making up the wings
of an XL should supply bouyancy for a few minutes at least. If the canopy locks
are released (and prevented from re-engaging) the bubble of air beneath
the canopy will lift it open if the aircraft begins to sink.
We had a ditching a couple of years ago in Lake Michigan where a guy ran a Cherokee
140 out of gas about 10 miles off Milwaukee at night. After ditching he
stood on the wing of the floating aircraft and used his cell phone to call 911.
Unfortunately he wasn't carrying a lifejacket and by the time the USCG was
on scene the plane had sunk and he had disappeared. The aircraft was later located
sitting upright on the lake bottom in 120 feet of water. It looked like
someone had just parked it there. I suspect the XL would have similar ditching
characteristics.
Food for thought - a life jacket with a strobe light and the story would have had
a different ending.
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Filing identifier? |
Hello Andy : I found that CH-60 is the appropriate identifier and most
controllers realize it is an amateur built aircraft . ( at least here in
Canada )
I suspect it is the same in the U.S.
Cheers
Rick
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Andrew Elliott
To: Zenith-List Digest Server
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:23 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Filing identifier?
Just a survey-type question - When filing a flight plan for a 601, do
people tend to use the FAA identifier for the factory-built version,
CH60, or the standard identifier for an experimental, HXA or HXB
(depending on speed)?
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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4/5/2007 3:33 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Filing identifier? |
I use CH60 to file flight plans, and for flight following.
Had a briefer one time that thought it was a helicopter.
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
That would be this one I believe. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?
ev_id 050428X00522&key=1
With a life jacket and strobe, they might at least have found his
body. If they had found him withiin the first hour, he might have
even survived. He went down in late april, at that time of year, that
lake is COLD. It never gets very warm that far off shore. If you go
down in Lake Michigan any time of year, you'd better have a life raft
or imersion suit or you won't survive very long.
>
> We had a ditching a couple of years ago in Lake Michigan where a
> guy ran a Cherokee 140 out of gas about 10 miles off Milwaukee at
> night. After ditching he stood on the wing of the floating
> aircraft and used his cell phone to call 911. Unfortunately he
> wasn't carrying a lifejacket and by the time the USCG was on scene
> the plane had sunk and he had disappeared. The aircraft was later
> located sitting upright on the lake bottom in 120 feet of water.
> It looked like someone had just parked it there. I suspect the XL
> would have similar ditching characteristics.
>
> Food for thought - a life jacket with a strobe light and the story
> would have had a different ending.
>
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re:Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
Frank,
Although my install is on a 701 you can do it on your 601 easy enough.
I used 5/8" stainless pad eyes from _http://www.WestMarine.com_
(http://www.WestMarine.com) . Type in 212415 under their keyword search to see.They had
4-packs of these at the store at a cheaper price.
I used 2 on top and 2 on bottom in the middle of the cargo area. There are
also 2 on the cargo floor just behind the seats. The cargo net clips off the
top 2 and can be connected to the 2 front behind the seats depending on what
is going back there. Or I could use the 2 nets I have. Finding a cargo net the
size you need is easy looking on Ebay. I measured the size of the cargo area
and looked for one a bit smaller so it would stretch nicely to the pad eyes.
Most of the nets on Ebay have dimensions given but I wrote a few to get ones
that weren't. Also pad eyes rivet on nicely with A5 rivets.
Go to _http://www.701Builder.com_ (http://www.701Builder.com) and on the
homepage scroll down a few pics to see the install.
Brian
So, thinking about keeping my head under rapid deceleration, has anyone
developed a "best way" to install a cargo net in the baggage space of a
601 XL?
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| Subject: | Construction Records |
Today I uploaded a brand new Demo version of the "My Kit Airplane"
Construction Record Keeping program.
Unlike my previous version, you no longer need to have Windows Office or
Windows Access to run the program.
Any needed Windows System support files are included in both the Demo and CD
versions.
This is a "real" windows program designed and written for Microsoft
Operating Systems.
It can be run with any Windows XP computer with SP2. It also works with the
new Microsoft VISTA Operating System.
The install CD comes with the Windows XP SP2 upgrade. SP2 is NOT included in
the Web Demo Download.
The Web Demo is quite large, about 53 Meg. If that is to large for you to
download, for $5.00 I will send a Demo CD, which also included the Windows
XP SP2 upgrade.
I think you will find this to be a very smooth operating program, that will
meet all the record keeping needs for your Experimental Aircraft
construction project.
Check out the details and screen shots on the web.
<http://www.mykitairplane.com/> http://www.mykitairplane.com
Thanks,
George Race
Race Consulting
Home Of My Kit Airplane
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
This sounds like a great reason for flying around lake Michigan
instead of flying across it in a single engine plane. Oh well, the
Darwin effect works again.
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 10:02 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote:
>With a life jacket and strobe, they might at least have found his
>body. If they had found him withiin the first hour, he might have
>even survived. He went down in late april, at that time of year, that
>lake is COLD. It never gets very warm that far off shore. If you go
>down in Lake Michigan any time of year, you'd better have a life raft
>or imersion suit or you won't survive very long.
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| Subject: | Wing Spar Rivet Line CH701 |
I have drilled the top of the left wing spar rivet line. My issue is that a number
of the holes are slightly oval. I would like to either drill out to A5 rivets
or add A4 rivets every 20mm (in between the others). Is this OK. My spacing
distance is fine even at 20mm apart and I am perfectly centered on the spar.
I just messed up the sequencing and drill the spar before the nose skin. The
center spar doubler has not been drilled so this would be at pitch 40 as per the
plans. Help please.
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CH701 Builder and new flyer
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
Bryan - I couldn't get the link to work so I don't know if that was the case or
not. We watched a video on the accident and used it as a topic of discussion
at the Flight Instructor Refresher Course I attended this past January in Grand
Rapids so my recollection may not be perfect.
Regarding flying over the Great Lakes. I've been a SCUBA diver longer than I've
been a pilot (42 years). I've spent many years searching for and then documenting
and videoing shipwrecks in Great Lakes waters so I know something about
cold water temperatures and their effects on the human body. I also have
an extensive background in Search and Rescue courtesy of the CAP. Bryan, you are
absolutely correct in your comments and anyone planning to fly over the Great
Lakes would do well to bear them in mind.
Everyone is different but as for myself I avoid flying over all but short expanses
of open water when the water temperature is too cold for survival for more
than a few minutes. When I do go across I make sure I can communicate my position
easily with ATC (radar coverage preferably) and carry flotation and signaling
devices. I'll actually wear an airline type life jacket on such crossings
because I don't want to have to try to struggle into one while trying to ditch.
When possible I carry plenty of altitude and cross where the lake is narrow.
Pilots in lower Michigan are surrounded on three sides by water so we learn to
contend with overwater flying early in our careers. Like all flying, it requires
preparation, training and good judgement. The number of aircraft on the bottom
of the lakes is testimony to what can happen if you fail on any of those
accounts.
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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| Subject: | Lightening holes on rear ribs of 601XL |
Gents
I am scratchbuilding a 601 and am neck and neck with Dave Clay and
Ron Lendon - however....
While putting together the parts for the right wing I noticed that I
had made an error in measuring the location for the lightening holes
for the rear ribs. I used the reference line on 6-W-6 top drawing to
measure the position of the lightening holes. I measured the 120mm
for the first hole from half way up the form block instead of the
bottom corner (as is clearly shown in the drawing left side of middle
row!)
In consequence I now have 18 ribs, 9 of them rivetted into the right
wing - all with the lightening holes 30mm forward of where they
should be.
I noticed this error when fitting the aileron bellcrank assembly.
A possible problem I foresee is running the cables to the bellcrank -
can anyone put me out of my misery - will the 30mm cause a problem
running the aileron cables from the fuselage through the lightening
holes - will there still be enough clearance??
I e-mailed Caleb at ZAC, but he was unable to assist as they don't
have any open wings at Mexico. He suggested utilising fairleads if
there was a problem.
Dave Wright
601XL - scratchbuilding wings
Washington UK
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| Subject: | Wing Spar Rivet Line CH701 |
My issue is that a number of the holes are slightly oval.
==> If you will be putting a rivet in the hole, look at recent posts on
this issue to find out how to get a more round hole. The normal advice is
that the rivet will fill up the slightly triangular hole. If it is a bolt,
it may be of more concern.
I just messed up the sequencing and drill the spar before the nose skin. The
center spar doubler has not been drilled so this would be at pitch 40 as per
the plans. Help please.
==> Go to one of the tool vendors like Aircraft Tool Supply, Brown Tools, or
US Tools and look for a tool called a strap duplicator. These are made to
allow you to drill a hole in a top skin that lines up with an existing hold
in the surface below it. You probably do not need the extra holes and
rivets.
Jeff D.
CH 601 HD
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| Subject: | Re: Lightening holes on rear ribs of 601XL |
Dave, Take some string and run it from the bell crank back to where the cables
enter the fuselage. this should give you a good visual. Maybe you can modify
where the other end connects to the stick to compensate?
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Lightening holes on rear ribs of 601XL |
David,
Jig up your bellcrank and find the swing of the expected arc possible
with max movements
using string if necessary. All the dimensions are there if you stack
them and you'll find out
how much the 30mm error means to the clearance you need. It may have no
consequence
or you may find the necessity of making a few ribs again. In any case,
don't despair as
all of us find ourselves in the same basket from time to time. It's
good for the soul to make
a few parts more than once occasionally.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
David Wright wrote:
>
>
> Gents
>
> I am scratchbuilding a 601 and am neck and neck with Dave Clay and Ron
> Lendon - however....
> While putting together the parts for the right wing I noticed that I
> had made an error in measuring the location for the lightening holes
> for the rear ribs. I used the reference line on 6-W-6 top drawing to
> measure the position of the lightening holes. I measured the 120mm
> for the first hole from half way up the form block instead of the
> bottom corner (as is clearly shown in the drawing left side of middle
> row!)
> In consequence I now have 18 ribs, 9 of them rivetted into the right
> wing - all with the lightening holes 30mm forward of where they should
> be.
> I noticed this error when fitting the aileron bellcrank assembly.
> A possible problem I foresee is running the cables to the bellcrank -
> can anyone put me out of my misery - will the 30mm cause a problem
> running the aileron cables from the fuselage through the lightening
> holes - will there still be enough clearance??
> I e-mailed Caleb at ZAC, but he was unable to assist as they don't
> have any open wings at Mexico. He suggested utilising fairleads if
> there was a problem.
>
>
> Dave Wright
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Hello Friends,
Sorry for beeing so late, I am building It takes to much time to be updated
in a list,while building today is April 6. about 1,200 mails to read...
For a good article in Motivation read the March issue of Kitplanes, the article
about "Homebuild Moment" explains exactly this...
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying a 701 912S from Chapala, Mexico.
Back to building the 601 XL.
brothapig(at)HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
> Ok guys and gals. This email serves two purposes. I need to know what others
do to keep motivated during a project. I've just gotten started in this whole
scratch building process due to the money part of it, after completing the
tail from a kit. Slow going compared to the kit! And I'm wondering if my parts
are going to be alright, and if I'm making them to the right tolerances, if
my bending radius is correct, if .5mm variance is ok, etc etc etc. (I don't
need answers to those questions, I'm just venting :) )
>
> So, onto the second part of this email. Part of my diminishing motivation is
the fact that I'm stuck with one part. I'm working on my spar, and I can't seem
to think of a way to secure the angle to the web while I'm drilling my rivet
holes. It's such a long piece, and I don't want to build in a warp. What
have others done during this phase?
>
> Whew. I feel a little better now. Sorry for the vent.
>
> (by the way, it's a 701)
Spar drilling. Lot's of clamps. Then clecos obviously.
Motivation, break it down into smaller projects. Right now you're not building
a plane, you're building an assembly of a plane, and to break it down further
you're building an assembly of an assembly. Enjoy watching each piece come together
correctly. Later you'll put it all together into a plane. Don't put a tme
limit on yourself. Just look at the time in the garage as YOUR time. That's
it.
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Wing Spar Rivet Line CH701 |
You can easily make your own "strap duplicator" or what I call a hole finder.
Take two strips of .025 aluminum that are about 1" x 4 or 5 inches. Stack them
and drill two holes in one end for A4 rivets, about 3/4" apart. Cleco the two
strips together. At the other end, drill through both with a #40 drill bit.
Take the strips apart and put an A3 rivet into one of the single end holes.
Rivet the two strips together with the A3 rivet in the bottom one, with the head
up. The "tail" will just fit in a #30 hole. Slip the device over the edge
of the skin sheet and find the rivet hole with the A3 rivet. Viola! You now
have a pilot hole directly over the existing rivet hole. I just drill enough
to make a definite "center" and remove the device before completing the hole.
That way, I don't drill through to the lower strip and ruin it. I made two of
these, one with an A3 rivet for #30 holes and another with an A4 rivet for #20
holes.
If this is not clear, I can send a drawing.
Jay in Dallas
"Jeff " <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>My issue is that a number of the holes are slightly oval.
>
>==> If you will be putting a rivet in the hole, look at recent posts on
>this issue to find out how to get a more round hole. The normal advice is
>that the rivet will fill up the slightly triangular hole. If it is a bolt,
>it may be of more concern.
>
>I just messed up the sequencing and drill the spar before the nose skin. The
>center spar doubler has not been drilled so this would be at pitch 40 as per
>the plans. Help please.
>==> Go to one of the tool vendors like Aircraft Tool Supply, Brown Tools, or
>US Tools and look for a tool called a strap duplicator. These are made to
>allow you to drill a hole in a top skin that lines up with an existing hold
>in the surface below it. You probably do not need the extra holes and
>rivets.
>
>Jeff D.
>CH 601 HD
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
I couldn't get the link to work either after posting it. The NTSB
accident number I was referring to is CHI05FA180. Do a search on that
in the NTSB database. I remember hearing about that accident and
thought at the time that the cold water probably did him in. I think
this is the same accident. It's the only one that comes up when you
search on Lake Michigan and Piper.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Spar Rivet Line CH701 |
Awhile back I called ZAC about a couple of bad holes in my spar cap. Nick advised
me to drill out to the next larger size rivet. He said this was usually best
solution.
Jay...thanks for the info on the hole finder. I had seen those before but didn't
understand their use until you explained it. Learn something new every day!
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
601XL scratch builder
http://www.daves601xl.com
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| Subject: | Re: Lightening holes on rear ribs of 601XL |
Dave,
Caleb, Ron, and Larry all have given you excellent advice. We surely are fortunate
to have so many smart people to help us out. Seems like strategically placed
fairleads would be appropriate. Of course your threaded rod will have to be
30mm longer since your bellcrank will be mounted 30mm forward. One thing to consider
is how little the ailerons actually move from neutral ( 11.5 degrees up
and down).
Dave Clay
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