---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/09/07: 47 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:57 AM - Source for canopy? (Brett Hanley) 2. 01:11 AM - disadvantage to a tinted canopy? (Brett Hanley) 3. 01:45 AM - Re: Source for canopy? (Craig Payne) 4. 02:56 AM - Re: Ejecting the canopy on the 601 (Bryan Martin) 5. 02:58 AM - Re: Re: Canopy front seal (Bryan Martin) 6. 03:02 AM - Re: disadvantage to a tinted canopy? (Bryan Martin) 7. 03:53 AM - Re: Kinda off subject (David Downey) 8. 04:11 AM - Re: Source for canopy? (Robin Bellach) 9. 04:14 AM - disadvantage to tinted canopy? (Robin Bellach) 10. 05:08 AM - Re: gasoline and paint (Gordon) 11. 05:12 AM - 601 Canopys () 12. 06:47 AM - Re: Source for canopy?- ouch (Big Gee) 13. 07:13 AM - Re: disadvantage to a tinted canopy? (LarryMcFarland) 14. 07:30 AM - Re: gasoline and paint (LarryMcFarland) 15. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: Canopy front seal (paul baker) 16. 08:38 AM - canopy triming (john butterfield) 17. 08:40 AM - Firewall seal (Joe) 18. 09:04 AM - 601XL catalog on ZAC's website (TxDave) 19. 09:06 AM - orangepeel in clear coat (richard priebus) 20. 09:43 AM - 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) (Mitch Hodges) 21. 09:50 AM - Re:Firewall seal (RURUNY@aol.com) 22. 10:38 AM - Re: 601XL catalog on ZAC's website (JohnDRead@aol.com) 23. 10:54 AM - Re: Source for canopy?- ouch (Craig Payne) 24. 11:13 AM - Re: 601XL catalog on ZAC's website (TxDave) 25. 11:14 AM - Re: Source for canopy?- ouch (Gary Boothe) 26. 11:15 AM - 601XL catalog on ZAC's website (Robin Bellach) 27. 11:22 AM - Re: canopy triming (Bryan Martin) 28. 11:31 AM - Re: Firewall seal (Bryan Martin) 29. 11:50 AM - Re: orangepeel in clear coat (Mark Sherman) 30. 12:09 PM - Rudder Horn Installation on 701 (Tom Lutz) 31. 12:10 PM - Re:Firewall seal (RURUNY@aol.com) 32. 01:12 PM - CH701 Firewall Forward Kit (Pete Krotje) 33. 02:05 PM - E-LSA - CH701 kit built airplane (Harrison-Hutcheson) 34. 02:37 PM - sandwich construction (LarryMcFarland) 35. 02:42 PM - Re: 601XL catalog on ZAC's website (Gig Giacona) 36. 03:05 PM - Re: 601XL catalog on ZAC's website (Bill Naumuk) 37. 03:11 PM - Re: canopy triming (Jeff Davidson) 38. 03:46 PM - Re: 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) (Bill Naumuk) 39. 04:47 PM - Re: orangepeel in clear coat (n801bh@netzero.com) 40. 04:52 PM - Re: Aileron cable clearance and installation (N601RT) 41. 05:00 PM - Re: 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) (Hodges, Mitch) 42. 05:08 PM - Re: E-LSA - CH701 kit built airplane (Bryan Martin) 43. 05:57 PM - Re: orangepeel in clear coat (LRM) 44. 06:26 PM - Re: 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) (Bill Naumuk) 45. 06:37 PM - HDS Cattycorner brace (Bill Naumuk) 46. 07:04 PM - Re: 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) (Hodges, Mitch) 47. 07:22 PM - Re: 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) (Bill Naumuk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:37 AM PST US From: Brett Hanley Subject: Zenith-List: Source for canopy? Does anyone have an alternate source for a 601 canopy? Brett ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:26 AM PST US From: Brett Hanley Subject: Zenith-List: disadvantage to a tinted canopy? Are there any serious disadvantages to using a tinted canopy? I would like to get some thoughts from someone that is flying with one. Any one out there with tint wishing they had the clear instead? Would any of you guys flying with a clear canopy order the tint option if you where building again? Brett ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:11 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Source for canopy? www.toddscanopies.com/ 1445 NE 33rd St., Ft Lauderdale, FL 33334 Phone: 954-579-0874 Email: BSILVER05@aol.com -- Craig ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:16 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ejecting the canopy on the 601 The smoke all got pushed out the bottom of the cowl. My cowl seals up pretty well too. I didn't realize I had such a leak until I taxied back to the hangar. I don't recall if I had my vents open during that flight, it might have been a cold day. > > > wasn' my plane, it was one built in the chez rep. Didn't your out > side air vents suck any of that outside oil smoke in? Joe > N101HD > > >> >> >> I once had the dipstick come loose on my engine and oil got all >> over the top of the engine and the firewall. I was leaving a >> pretty good smoke trail but barely detected a hint of oil smell >> in the cabin. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:33 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy front seal > > I haven't got to the canopy install phase yet but I suspect the > amount of seal you'll get will be directly proportional to the > amount of effort you want to put into fitting it. > > Tim Juhl > You got that right. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:46 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: disadvantage to a tinted canopy? I can't think of any, I've flown mine at night several times and visibility doesn't seem to suffer with the tinted canopy. On Apr 9, 2007, at 4:08 AM, Brett Hanley wrote: > Are there any serious disadvantages to using a tinted canopy? I > would like to get some thoughts from someone that is flying with > one. Any one out there with tint wishing they had the clear > instead? Would any of you guys flying with a clear canopy order > the tint option if you where building again? > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:03 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Kinda off subject I assume that you are talking about a scale-like, external shaping only P-40? if so I may be able to help. paulrod36@msn.com wrote: Acutally, it's only related in that we're talking aircraft. Does anybody know where a mildly insane guy could find the blueprints, or construction drawings of the old Curtiss P-40? The Loehle kit is very nice and all, but it's wood/fabric, and cruise is 85. Heintz technology and construction methods would make for a wonderful scaled P-40 LSA. 10 or 15 years down the road, when I get this one done, a single-seater would be cool. Paul Rodriguez 601XL/Corvair DO NOT ARCHIVE Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:31 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Source for canopy? I'm wondering the same thing, as I damaged mine by misshandling. To date, based on previous posts, I assume Todd's may be the best source. And, as a warning to others who may be prone to be as careless as I can be - I found the canopy to be more fragile than I expected. I unrolled the canopy fearing that it might tend to take a set if rolled too long a time, and temporarly draped it over the top of a chest freezer. Later I opened the freezer lid several times without removing the canopy, and now I find a crack where a freezer lid corner contacted the canopy. I've learned two things: First, the canopy is more soft and flexible than one might expect and thereby not very prone to take an undesireable set if left rolled until ready to use. And secondly, the soft flexibility is decieving in that it actually is more brittle than one might suspect. I guess I should be glad to have learned this before investing a lot of labor into fitting the canopy. Robin in AR 601XL Zen-Vair ----- Original Message ----- From: Brett Hanley To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:54 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Source for canopy? Does anyone have an alternate source for a 601 canopy? Brett ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:46 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Zenith-List: disadvantage to tinted canopy? I forget all the detailed pros and cons, but it seems to me that the consensus of previous posts on this topic favored the tinted. Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brett Hanley To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:08 AM Subject: Zenith-List: disadvantage to a tinted canopy? Are there any serious disadvantages to using a tinted canopy? I would like to get some thoughts from someone that is flying with one. Any one out there with tint wishing they had the clear instead? Would any of you guys flying with a clear canopy order the tint option if you where building again? Brett ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:28 AM PST US From: "Gordon" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: gasoline and paint Larry, That's very disappointing, I'm using the same paint. I don't think that this would happen with all 2 part urethanes though. I've used Awlgrip quite a bit and the only way I've ever been able to damage a fully cured coat is mechanically (abrasives). I went with the Steward system because it seems safer, for me and the environment, but I would hate to thing that gasoline, would damage it. With sticking tanks for fuel level, draining tanks, tank venting and fueling, there are a lot of opportunities for gasoline to destroy a paint job. The Steward System performance data says: OIL RESISTANCE - Half immerse test panel in Transformer oil conforming to CSA Standards C50 at 100oC(212oF)(+/- 1o) for 120 hours. Remove and wipe with a clean lint free cloth. Allow panel to cool for 2 hours. No softening, surface disintegration, wrinkling, blistering, or loss of adhesion. I would have thought that gasoline would be no more effective at destroying the paint. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Zenith-List: gasoline and paint > > Hi guys, > I just found something that may interest you that > have painted planes. I have an overflow from the header > tank at the extreme right side of the center section. I managed > to see a little paint that was crinkled near the fitting and realized > the fitting had not been tightened. The minor seepage was stopped > by tightening, but touch up will be required. > An RV in the next hangar also has paint coming off and we've > concluded that even just a little automotive fuel will dissolve nearly > any catalyzed paint there is, so it's prudent to cover your filler > with an apron before filling. I do this and fortunately the topsides > are fine. The 6-inch area around my over flow is another matter. > Guess I'll have to get out the little roller and have at it. > > Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:13 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Canopys Listers, Re: 601 canopys. I have the tinted Lexan ( not plexiglass ) canopy that came with my kit in early 1995. I unrolled it and built a simple shelf suspended from the cieling in my basement to store it up out-of-the- way until I needed it. I thought it might take a "permanent" set while rolled up. In hindsite, I don't believe it would have been a problem. I fitted the canopy about a year into the project. Please note that I have the old side to side opening type. I used a Dremel Tool with the thin small cut-off wheels to do the trimming. I went slowly and made many cuts removing small amounts at a time, alternating front and rear until it fit nearly perfectly with 1/8" gap at the bottom edges ( fore and aft ) allowing for the rubber seal that I attached. Believe it or not I made a total of 32 small cuts but the canopy fit was very nice when I got done. I used the small rubber bushing in each of the attach holes, and was very careful to not over tighten the sheet metal attach screws. I tightened them only enough to prevent the washers under the screw head from rotating. I do check them ( the washers - to see if I can rotate them ) regularly. Early on I found a couple loose and just tightened the screw very little until the washer wouldn't rotate. Now after 10 1/2 years and 541 hours I have no cracks, distortion, crazing or other major problems. I have one minor scratch; my fault! Caution, don't let gasoline get on the Lexan. It will cause crazing. Since I have the sinle fuel tank just forward of the canopy, I don cover the Lexan when refueling so that I don't splash fuel directly on the Lexan. Bottom line, I don't fly at night so the tint is a good thing for me ( I live in the hot Georgia sun). I don't fly in the rain so I have no water leaks. I have alway kept the airplane either under roof or in a hangar and I keep a canopy cover on it. So I don't have the problems some of you do. One final thing, I believe working with the Lexan is easier and more forgiving than Plexiglass. I have worked with both over the years. do not archive Jim Hoak 601HD - 912UL - 541 hours. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:40 AM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Source for canopy?- ouch what type of "roll over protection" can something this fragile provide ??? do not archive Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } I'm wondering the same thing, as I damaged mine by misshandling. To date, based on previous posts, I assume Todd's may be the best source. And, as a warning to others who may be prone to be as careless as I can be - I found the canopy to be more fragile than I expected. I unrolled the canopy fearing that it might tend to take a set if rolled too long a time, and temporarly draped it over the top of a chest freezer. Later I opened the freezer lid several times without removing the canopy, and now I find a crack where a freezer lid corner contacted the canopy. I've learned two things: First, the canopy is more soft and flexible than one might expect and thereby not very prone to take an undesireable set if left rolled until ready to use. And secondly, the soft flexibility is decieving in that it actually is more brittle than one might suspect. I guess I should be glad to have learned this before investing a lot of labor into fitting the canopy. Robin in AR 601XL Zen-Vair ----- Original Message ----- From: Brett Hanley To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:54 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Source for canopy? Does anyone have an alternate source for a 601 canopy? Brett --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:04 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: disadvantage to a tinted canopy? Hi Brett, If the canopy wasn't UV protective, the disadvantage would be wearing sun glasses under the tint. My Corvette has tinted side and top glass and the tint is annoying because I always wear sunglasses and it's hard to read some parts of my panel on a slightly gray day. I really like the slightly champagne colored UV protective tint of the Zenith canopy. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Brett Hanley wrote: > Are there any serious disadvantages to using a tinted canopy? I would > like to get some thoughts from someone that is flying with one. Any > one out there with tint wishing they had the clear instead? Would > any of you guys flying with a clear canopy order the tint option if > you where building again? > > Brett > * > ========================================= > > * ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:05 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: gasoline and paint Gordon, I use a towel and plastic to protect my canopy and surround the painted area near the filler and have had no problems there. The drain fitting had not been tightened and allowed over flow from rough air or expansion after filling to drip and spread around the fitting under the skin. If the fitting had been tight, I doubt the paint would have been wet so long as to damage it. It is probably something more to do with the alcohol found in gasoline as I burn auto fuel most of the time in the Subaru. My friends RV7 lost paint at the filler when auto fuel spilled on it. His is a fully catalyzed urethane like any other, not the Stewart systems paint. In retrospect, I'd not over fill a tank or have less than an inch of overflow tube hanging below the wing and I'm making a special apron with a hole and part of a funnel in it for refueling to catch the drops and splash from filling. Aside from that, it shouldn't be a problem. Larry McFarland Gordon wrote: > > Larry, > That's very disappointing, I'm using the same paint. I don't think > that this would happen with all 2 part urethanes though. I've used > Awlgrip quite a bit and the only way I've ever been able to damage a > fully cured coat is mechanically (abrasives). > I went with the Steward system because it seems safer, for me and > the environment, but I would hate to thing that gasoline, would damage > it. With sticking tanks for fuel level, draining tanks, tank venting > and fueling, there are a lot of opportunities for gasoline to destroy > a paint job. > The Steward System performance data says: > OIL RESISTANCE - Half immerse test panel in Transformer oil conforming > to CSA > > Standards C50 at 100oC(212oF)(+/- 1o) for 120 hours. Remove and wipe > with a clean > > lint free cloth. Allow panel to cool for 2 hours. No softening, > surface disintegration, > > wrinkling, blistering, or loss of adhesion. > > I would have thought that gasoline would be no more effective at > destroying the paint. > Gordon ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:33 AM PST US From: "paul baker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy front seal I purchased a 601hs last september.I have actually flown the plane in rain. My problem is not from rail coming in from the front but from the rear. In flight, a low preasure area forms over the back side of the canopy. this caused the canopy to lift slightly, just enough to direct some raindrops to the back of my neck..very nice in the summertime to keep cool , but in the winter,brrrr.My solution, Keep out of the rain is possible. any other solutions would be appreciated. paul baker ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:22 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: canopy triming hi list after reading about water leaks on the front canopy seal, i looked in the archieves and found nothing about triming. i have installed the canopy so that it is on and not fully completed. (got sick of it and decided to wait until i have finished the insides).. that said, how are you people triming the canopy, mine fits pretty tight on the front, but the back is high in the middle. i assume that you start cutting off the plexiglass a little at a time. what tool is best for this. i have used the cutting wheel, but it seems a little rough for fine triming. is it better to use a dremmel. if so, what kind of cutting wheel. any suggestions would be helpful, especially the one that say what not to use. thanks in advance john butterfield 601XL, corvair torrance, ca Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:23 AM PST US From: "Joe" Subject: Zenith-List: Firewall seal Brian, How did you seal your firewall around the nose gear steering pushrods. Anyone comment Joe in Oshkosh ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:56 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL catalog on ZAC's website From: "TxDave" If you haven't seen this, its pretty cool. An illustrated parts catalog and a price list for individual parts. http://www.zenithair.com/kit/601/index.html Dave Clay Temple, TX http://www.daves601xl.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105891#105891 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:43 AM PST US From: richard priebus Subject: Zenith-List: orangepeel in clear coat I've been monitoring this site for a long time and never posted, but I've encountered a problem in finishing my 601 so I need some help. The primer and base coats went on fine, but the clear coat has orange-peel. The question is how do I get ride of the orange-peel without taking the base coat off the rivets? (lots of rivets) Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Richard from Wisconsin Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:52 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) From: "Mitch Hodges" First some good news. After way too long (we're talking years) I finally finished an outboard wing! It's good to make some progress. Now the bad news, and a request (along with an excuse). I built my ailerons several years ago following the hand-drawn plans available at the time. Even with kit parts, it seems I managed to screw them up. I misread the plans and matched the inboard end rib of the aileron (where the aileron crank attaches) to the inboard wing rib rather than just following the "line" of the wing rib. So, when I recently fit it to the completed wing, I cut it the aileron too short on the inboard side. Rather than being past the end of the rear zee, I cut it at the inboard rib. (OUCH!). There goes about $200 worth of parts. While I lick those wounds, I'm going to trudge forward with the left wing while I save my pennies. Does anyone have a good photo of the clearance required between the aileron and the rear zee, on the inboard side of an HDS? I want to make sure when I get to the left one I don't make the same mistake. Also, I already know the left aileron ribs are in the "wrong" location but I can still cut the aileron to the right length. Basically, the aileron rivet lines will not line up with the wing ribs (they'll shift 4 or 5 inches inboard), and the larger gap will be on the outboard edge, rather than inboard. I've got that question into ZAC, but any thoughts here rather than cosmetically if there would be any concerns with that? Thanks, Mitch Hodges -------- N601MH (Zenith 601HDS) Wings Under Construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105902#105902 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:42 AM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Firewall seal Joe Go to _http://www.701builder.com_ (http://www.701builder.com) and look at the fuselage firewall area, I used the rubber boot method.See photoshare under Ben Haas for part numbers. How did you seal your firewall around the nose gear steering pushrods. Anyone comment ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:45 AM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL catalog on ZAC's website They did it for the 701 too. John ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:30 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Source for canopy?- ouch > what type of "roll over protection" can something this fragile provide ??? www.ch601.org/stories_files/image002.jpg -- Craig ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:02 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL catalog on ZAC's website From: "TxDave" Sorry, John. Didn't mean to leave you guys out. do not archive Dave Clay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105929#105929 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:31 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Source for canopy?- ouch See what happens when you try to land with concrete blocks attached to your wings. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section Do not archive _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:52 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Source for canopy?- ouch > what type of "roll over protection" can something this fragile provide ??? www.ch601.org/stories_files/image002.jpg -- Craig ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:13 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL catalog on ZAC's website DAVE, THANKS FOR THE HEADS-UP! DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "TxDave" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL catalog on ZAC's website > > If you haven't seen this, its pretty cool. An illustrated parts catalog > and a price list for individual parts. > > http://www.zenithair.com/kit/601/index.html > > > Dave Clay > Temple, TX > http://www.daves601xl.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105891#105891 > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:45 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: canopy triming I used a Makita electric die grinder with a cylindrical grinding bit on a warm day and took a little off at a time. > > > hi list > after reading about water leaks on the front canopy > seal, i looked in the archieves and found nothing > about triming. > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:34 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Firewall seal Check the photo share files: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/zenith-list.html#Top and look under Dec 11 2005 posted by Craig Payne "steering rod baffles". There are two methods shown there with photos. > > Brian, > > How did you seal your firewall around the nose gear steering > pushrods. Anyone comment > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:25 AM PST US From: Mark Sherman Subject: Re: Zenith-List: orangepeel in clear coat Richard. I'm right there with you. I too am using the same paint process. I have decided that a little orange peel isn't worth the effort to remove it . You could try to wet sand in-between the rivets, but you will sooner or later sand through to the color and primer. You could also use a 3M pad (color of you choice) and just scuff it up and put on another coat of clear. I was concerned about some orange peel that I had, then I set the parts out in the sun and couldn't see the orange peel from more than a foot away. If you are building a show plane and are really concerned, you might just strip it down and start over. Just my opinion and worth every penny you paid for it. Mark S. 701/912ULS ----- Original Message ---- From: richard priebus Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 9:06:17 AM Subject: Zenith-List: orangepeel in clear coat I've been monitoring this site for a long time and never posted, but I've encountered a problem in finishing my 601 so I need some help. The primer and base coats went on fine, but the clear coat has orange-peel. The question is how do I get ride of the orange-peel without taking the base coat off the rivets? (lots of rivets) Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Richard from Wisconsin Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front Get your own web address. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:09 PM PST US From: "Tom Lutz" Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Horn Installation on 701 While building my rudder I found that I could not install the horn after riveting the bottom rib to the spar. I had to rivet the horn to the rib first, or else the large rivets in the corner hit against the smaller rivets in the spar. Anyone else notice this? Tom ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:15 PM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Firewall seal Sorry, better pics in the engine section. Brian Joe Go to _http://www.701builder.com_ (http://www.701builder.com/) and look at the fuselage firewall area, I used the rubber boot method.See photoshare under Ben Haas for part numbers. How did you seal your firewall around the nose gear steering pushrods. Anyone comment ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:19 PM PST US From: "Pete Krotje" Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Firewall Forward Kit Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft announces the release of a complete firewall forward installation kit for the CH701. Kit includes cowls, mount, all systems, prop and spinner. See photos attached or visit www.usjabiru.com for details. Pete Krotje Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:50 PM PST US From: "Harrison-Hutcheson" Subject: Zenith-List: E-LSA - CH701 kit built airplane The further I get into the registration process the more I become afraid that I have taken a giant mis-step. I have submitted my initial registration paperwork as an Experimental-Light Sport Aircraft instead of Experimental-Amateur Built. Is there anyone out there who has registered their kit-built CH701 as E-LSA? If so - if you could communicate with me off-line I would be very appreciative. Everything I have been reading so far, especially from the FAA, tends toward E-AB. Including the continued reference to AC 20-27F "Certification and Operation of Amateur-Built Aircraft". Worried sick in Kansas City. Thanks, Sam Hutcheson N6412Z (in E-LSA registration process) ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:53 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith-List: sandwich construction Joe, I used a sandwich construction against the inside of the firewall. The arc of the steering rod requires the center piece float a little and the rod sets in a rubber grommet. This works very well. I was flying yesterday and at 27 degrees F / 4000 feet, the cabin was 45-degrees. No drafts. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com see links below http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/steer-rod-air-barrier.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/steer-rod-air-barrier-2.gif ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:15 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL catalog on ZAC's website From: "Gig Giacona" Now we know why they killed off the old parts database. TxDave wrote: > If you haven't seen this, its pretty cool. An illustrated parts catalog and a price list for individual parts. > > http://www.zenithair.com/kit/601/index.html > > > Dave Clay > Temple, TX > http://www.daves601xl.com -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105961#105961 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:47 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL catalog on ZAC's website Doesn't look like they intend to offer as much for the HD/HDS. Zilch for the wings at the moment. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: JohnDRead@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL catalog on ZAC's website They did it for the 701 too. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:27 PM PST US From: Jeff Davidson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: canopy triming John, LPAero makes the canopies - at least they made mine. Installation instructions and tips are on the LPAero web site at http://www.lpaero.com/DRILTRIM.html Jeff Davidson ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:05 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) Mitch- 1. The natural tendency that early in the game is to build the small parts first. You just found out what I did the first time around- you build the ailerons to fit the wings, not vice versa. 2. Clearance between the aileron and rear zee? The hinge tab is 40mm from the forward edge of the aileron skin/aileron rib. The difference is 20mm from the rivet line of the wing Z spar and the rivet line of the forward part of the aileron. 3. The only way you'll spend $200 on a new set of ailerons is if you haven't already built a Home Depot (Or similar) brake. More like less than $75.00. 4. The one place I screwed up second time around was forgetting to compensate for the aileron twist when laying out my rivet lines. Consequently, my top rivet line is right on the money, but the bottom fades outboard by 2-3mm. Pictures attached. Hope they help. Talk about old- they're from 1 workshop and 2 cordless drills ago! Hang in there... Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitch Hodges" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) > > First some good news. After way too long (we're talking years) I finally > finished an outboard wing! It's good to make some progress. > > Now the bad news, and a request (along with an excuse). I built my > ailerons several years ago following the hand-drawn plans available at the > time. Even with kit parts, it seems I managed to screw them up. I misread > the plans and matched the inboard end rib of the aileron (where the > aileron crank attaches) to the inboard wing rib rather than just following > the "line" of the wing rib. So, when I recently fit it to the completed > wing, I cut it the aileron too short on the inboard side. Rather than > being past the end of the rear zee, I cut it at the inboard rib. (OUCH!). > There goes about $200 worth of parts. > > While I lick those wounds, I'm going to trudge forward with the left wing > while I save my pennies. > > Does anyone have a good photo of the clearance required between the > aileron and the rear zee, on the inboard side of an HDS? I want to make > sure when I get to the left one I don't make the same mistake. > > Also, I already know the left aileron ribs are in the "wrong" location but > I can still cut the aileron to the right length. Basically, the aileron > rivet lines will not line up with the wing ribs (they'll shift 4 or 5 > inches inboard), and the larger gap will be on the outboard edge, rather > than inboard. I've got that question into ZAC, but any thoughts here > rather than cosmetically if there would be any concerns with that? > > Thanks, > Mitch Hodges > > -------- > N601MH (Zenith 601HDS) > Wings Under Construction > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105902#105902 > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:33 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: orangepeel in clear coat This is without a doubt the biggest problem with pulled rivets. You can wet sand with 600 but it will take forever to miss all the rivet heads. I feel your pain....... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- richard priebus wrote: I've been monitoring this site for a long time and never posted, but I've encountered a problem in finishing my 601 so I need some help. The primer and base coats went on fine, but the clear coat has orange-peel. The question is how do I get ride of the orange-peel without taking the base coat off the rivets? (lots of rivets) Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Richard from Wisconsin Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========

This is without a doubt the biggest problem with pulled rivets. You can wet sand with 600 but it will take forever to miss all the rive t heads. I feel your pain.......

do not archive


Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair .com

-- richard priebus <rpriebus@yahoo.com>  wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by : richard priebus <rpriebus@yahoo.com>

I've& nbsp;been monitoring this site for a long& nbsp;time and
never posted, but I've encount ered a problem in
finishing my 601 so&n bsp;I need some help.  The primer and
base coats went on fine, but the  clear coat has
orange-peel.  The question&nb sp;is how do I get ride of the
ora nge-peel without taking the base coat off& nbsp;the
rivets? (lots of rivets) Any help&n bsp;would be
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,&nb sp;         Richard fr om Wisconsin



 
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________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:29 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron cable clearance and installation From: "N601RT" Bill and others, The purpose of the cattycorner brace is there to support the fairlead material that the torque tube and cables run through. I struggled with mounting the brace for a while. My solution was to use a short section of material with the same cross section as the cattycorner brace, flipped over, riveted inside the brace to add strength, which allowed cutting a notch in the brace. See attached photo. The photo is taken from on top of my ELT which is mounted behind the right seat. (A corner of the ELT is visible.) The seat backs are out, but the right side bottom cushion is in place. The photo was taken while I was installing the pitch servo for my Trutrak Digiflight II. Also visible is the gray speckled Zolatone paint I used for the interior finish of my plane. Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 692hrs, 814 landings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105983#105983 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9260012_113.jpg ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:27 PM PST US From: "Hodges, Mitch" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) Thanks Bill. The pictures definitely help. I'd still like to see a close-up of the I/B section right where the aileron and the rear zee end if someone has one though. Some other thoughts: "Clearance between the aileron and rear zee?" What I really meant was where does the inboard end of the aileron line up with the inboard end of the wing. From your pictures, it looks like it is right at the I/B end of the rear zee at the point where the splice plate forms the base of the triangle. That is what I thought. I see now also from the plans you trim the splice plate for clearance in a later step. "The only way you'll spend $200 on a new set of ailerons" Or you buy the parts from Zenith directly. That is about what it adds up to when you order the parts. The ribs are about $15 each and the skin is well north of $100. I'm going to let that sit a while but I'm willing to bet I end up scratch building those replacements! "The one place I screwed up second time around was forgetting to compensate for the aileron twist when laying out my rivet lines." Oh, I did that the first time, I guess we reversed ordered our misses! Mitch Hodges 601HDS (working on outer wings) http:\\www.hodges.info Powder Springs, GA ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:11 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: E-LSA - CH701 kit built airplane As long as you can complete the registration process before the end of January next year, you should be able to register as E-LSA. You will be registering under the "fat ultralight" clause. ************************************************* FAR 21.191 Experimental certificates. Experimental certificates are issued for the following purposes: ... (i) Operating light-sport aircraft. Operating a light-sport aircraft that- (1) Has not been issued a U.S. or foreign airworthiness certificate and does not meet the provisions of 103.1 of this chapter. An experimental certificate will not be issued under this paragraph for these aircraft after January 31, 2008; ... ************************************************* The only downside to the E-LSA is that you will not automatically get a repairman certificate for your airplane just because you built it. You will have to attend a 16 hour LSA maintenance course to earn the Repairman Inspection rating which will authorize you to sign off the annual inspection on your plane. Search through the list archives on this subject. It's been thoroughly discussed here before. Go to the EAA LSA website for more information. http://www.sportpilot.org/ On Apr 9, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Harrison-Hutcheson wrote: > The further I get into the registration process the more I become > afraid that I have taken a giant mis-step. I have submitted my > initial registration paperwork as an Experimental-Light Sport > Aircraft instead of Experimental-Amateur Built. > > If so - if you could communicate with me off-line I would be very > appreciative. Everything I have been reading so far, especially > from the FAA, tends toward E-AB. Including the continued reference > to AC 20-27F "Certification and Operation of Amateur-Built Aircraft". > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:54 PM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: orangepeel in clear coat Basically you don't, unless you sand it down. You can try and put more clear coat on. If you get a real "wet" coat, use a "slow dry" thinner, it will do a lot better. But, it's easy to get runs. If it were me and it really bothered me, I would sand it down, hit it with another light coat of base, then follow up with a couple of wet coats of clear. Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sherman" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: orangepeel in clear coat > > Richard. > > I'm right there with you. I too am using the same paint process. I have > decided that a little orange peel isn't worth the effort to remove it . > > You could try to wet sand in-between the rivets, but you will sooner or > later sand through to the color and primer. You could also use a 3M pad > (color of you choice) and just scuff it up and put on another coat of > clear. > > I was concerned about some orange peel that I had, then I set the parts > out in the sun and couldn't see the orange peel from more than a foot > away. > > If you are building a show plane and are really concerned, you might just > strip it down and start over. > > Just my opinion and worth every penny you paid for it. > > Mark S. > 701/912ULS > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: richard priebus > To: zenith-list-digest@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 9:06:17 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: orangepeel in clear coat > > > > I've been monitoring this site for a long time and > never posted, but I've encountered a problem in > finishing my 601 so I need some help. The primer and > base coats went on fine, but the clear coat has > orange-peel. The question is how do I get ride of the > orange-peel without taking the base coat off the > rivets? (lots of rivets) Any help would be > appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, Richard from Wisconsin > > > Bored stiff? Loosen up... > Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. > http://games.yahoo.com/games/front > > > Get your own web address. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL > > > -- > 3:33 PM > > ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:40 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) Mitch- 1. I'd like to find out where you're ordering HDS parts. Nothing on the website lately. 2. You'll never see the picture you're talking about on an unfinished plane. Per the plans and manual, (sic) "Leave extra and cut to fit." You still have to carve a big chunk out of both the outboard wing and c-section to achieve the ( I hate to call it this, but can't think of any other term ) dihedral angle and clearance for assembling the spar bolts. Check out Larry McFarland's website. Every project's just a little different. That's why in some cases, Zenith couldn't give a hard figure. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hodges, Mitch" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) > > Thanks Bill. The pictures definitely help. I'd still like to see a > close-up of the I/B section right where the aileron and the rear zee end > if > someone has one though. Some other thoughts: > > "Clearance between the aileron and rear zee?" > > What I really meant was where does the inboard end of the aileron line up > with the inboard end of the wing. From your pictures, it looks like it is > right at the I/B end of the rear zee at the point where the splice plate > forms the base of the triangle. That is what I thought. I see now also > from the plans you trim the splice plate for clearance in a later step. > > "The only way you'll spend $200 on a new set of ailerons" > > Or you buy the parts from Zenith directly. That is about what it adds up > to > when you order the parts. The ribs are about $15 each and the skin is > well > north of $100. I'm going to let that sit a while but I'm willing to bet I > end up scratch building those replacements! > > "The one place I screwed up second time around was forgetting to > compensate > for the aileron twist when laying out my rivet lines." > > Oh, I did that the first time, I guess we reversed ordered our misses! > > > Mitch Hodges > 601HDS (working on outer wings) > http:\\www.hodges.info > Powder Springs, GA > > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:59 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: HDS Cattycorner brace Roy and all- Roy- no attachment for you pictures. Send them to me direct- I'd like to see them. All- attached is what I wound up with, which is a slight variation on what Jeff Small did. I'll leave the brace in clecos until I permanently mount the rudder and will cut a cable outlet slot to fit. Also notice that I remembered to get the shrink wrap over the cut cable ends. One of my proudest moments! Amazing that all of us HD/HDS people have struggled with the same problem for 10 years without a definitive solution! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:15 PM PST US From: "Hodges, Mitch" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) "I'd like to find out where you're ordering HDS parts. Nothing on the website lately." If you call them directly they'll still sell you parts. I've ordered a wingtip rib in the last couple of months (snipped it when trimming the top rear skin) and they gave me pricing when I called to verify my mistake on Friday. Mitch ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:36 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) Mitch- I mean a listing of available parts. I hope I don't need any more at this point, other than maybe my third right outboard fiberglass tip! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hodges, Mitch" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS: O/BWing - Aileron photo request (ZAC Plans attack!) > > "I'd like to find out where you're ordering HDS parts. Nothing on the > website lately." > > If you call them directly they'll still sell you parts. I've ordered a > wingtip rib in the last couple of months (snipped it when trimming the top > rear skin) and they gave me pricing when I called to verify my mistake on > Friday. > > Mitch > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.