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1. 05:13 AM - Re: Cortec VCI-373 (special4)
2. 06:18 AM - Re: Zenith 701 (Tommy Walker)
3. 06:21 AM - Re: Arrgh!!! (Jaybannist@cs.com)
4. 07:05 AM - Re: Arrgh!!! (Gig Giacona)
5. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: Arrgh!!! (Roger Pritchard)
6. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (JohnDRead@aol.com)
7. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (Michael Valentine)
8. 12:34 PM - 701 engines (Jerry Hey)
9. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (William Dominguez)
10. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (JohnDRead@aol.com)
11. 02:28 PM - Re: 701 engines (baileys)
12. 02:52 PM - Re: 701 engines (jetboy)
13. 03:01 PM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (Gordon)
14. 03:18 PM - Corvair Firewall (Bill Naumuk)
15. 03:28 PM - Re: 701 engines (LINLARMAYES@aol.com)
16. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: 701 engines (Jerry Hey)
17. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (Jaybannist@cs.com)
18. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (JohnDRead@aol.com)
19. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (William Dominguez)
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec VCI-373 |
Thanks John,
I did check the "Cortec" website, but there is no information on the product data
sheet regarding temps/humidity. I have sent an email but no answer so far.
Peter Sonders
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And it's good to see Mr. Rozema back on the list.
Hope you are fully recovered.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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Bill, YES! - Jay in Dallas
"Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
>All-
> I must be the lousiest writer in the world, because all I've been trying to
find out is, CAN I ASSEMBLE ALL THE PIECES OF THE FIREWALL TO PLANS AND MOUNT
A CORVAIR WITHOUT HAVING TO MOVE ANYTHING LATER!!
> Thanks.
>Bill Naumuk
>HDS Fuse/Corvair
>Townville, Pa
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Naumuk
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:00 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: I'll rephrase the question
>
>
> Corvair people-
> Can I lay out and attach the braces per plans to the firewall and install
the Corvair mount with no hassle, or will I have to move some of the braces
down the line? To drill or not to drill...
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuse/Corvair
> Townville, Pa
>
>
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Yes you can
[quote="naumuk(at)alltel.net"]All-
I must be the lousiest writer in the world, because all I've been trying
to find out is, CAN I ASSEMBLE ALL THE PIECES OF THE FIREWALL TO PLANS AND MOUNT
A CORVAIR WITHOUT HAVING TO MOVE ANYTHING LATER!!
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec VCI-373 |
Hello List:
Anyone have experience of using Cortec as a primer on the
outside of an aircraft? What paint would be compatible?
John
CH701 with Slats
in Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec VCI-373 |
As this discussion continues, I must interject how much I disliked the
Cortec. I found it to be very easy to apply, but crappy thereafter. It was
sticky and held aluminum chips/shavings in tight places. It liked to peel,
like Elmer's glue - especially when two pieces rubbed together (like when
you move the wing skin around on the ribs). It also sucks to mark on with a
sharpie afterwards.
I will admit that when I went back to mess with one part about a year later,
the stuff had dried much better and held to the part better. But, that was
literally a year later.
I am now using the Dupli-Color self-etching primer that you get at auto
stores. I have to go outside or in the garage to spray (with a regular
mask), but it is so much easier and nicer!
Michael in NH
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On 4/13/07, JohnDRead@aol.com <JohnDRead@aol.com> wrote:
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> Hello List:
> Anyone have experience of using Cortec as a primer on the
> outside of an aircraft? What paint would be compatible?
>
> John
> CH701 with Slats
> in Colorado
>
>
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Has anyone tried the VW conversions? Great Plains has a couple of
100 hp versions. I know the Rotax 912 is popular but I have not
heard anything about the competition. How about 80 hp vs 100
hp? Are most older 701 80 hp? Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec VCI-373 |
Im using Cortec also and Ive experienced the problems stated by Michael bellow
however, there are ways to mitigate this. I typically roughen the surface
with scotchbrite and clean it well before applying, then I let it dry for 24
hours and this avoid the problem of peeling out.
To remove chips/shavings of metal stick in the aluminum I use a cloth slightly
damped with denatured alcohol for open spaces and a brush for the tight places,
this un-stick the chips and after that I vacuum them out of the assembly.
Even with this inconveniences, I thing Cortec is still easier to apply than
any other method. What I dont know is if it provide equal protection in the long
run .
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com> wrote:As this discussion continues,
I must interject how much I disliked the Cortec. I found it to be very easy
to apply, but crappy thereafter. It was sticky and held aluminum chips/shavings
in tight places. It liked to peel, like Elmer's glue - especially when
two pieces rubbed together (like when you move the wing skin around on the ribs).
It also sucks to mark on with a sharpie afterwards.
I will admit that when I went back to mess with one part about a year later, the
stuff had dried much better and held to the part better. But, that was literally
a year later.
I am now using the Dupli-Color self-etching primer that you get at auto stores.
I have to go outside or in the garage to spray (with a regular mask), but
it is so much easier and nicer!
Michael in NH
do not archive
On 4/13/07, JohnDRead@aol.com < JohnDRead@aol.com> wrote: Hello List:
Anyone have experience of using Cortec as a primer on the outside
of an aircraft? What paint would be compatible?
John
CH701 with Slats
in Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec VCI-373 |
How much are you thinning the Cortec? I use 50/50 Cortec/Denatured alcohol.
John
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There is a 701 with a VW conversion here in Missouri. The owner got so
many e-mails he dropped his subscription.
Try Valley Engineering ( makers of the Great Plains PSRU and Culver
props) The even offer a VW firewall forward package for the 701
http://www.culverprops.com/index.php
Bob B.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Hey
To: Zenith
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 engines
Has anyone tried the VW conversions? Great Plains has a couple of
100 hp versions. I know the Rotax 912 is popular but I have not
heard anything about the competition. How about 80 hp vs 100
hp? Are most older 701 80 hp? Jerry
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Gerry,
The ZAC website lists a lot of custom engine installations.
I chose the Jabiru 2200 because its a standard installation and within the 100
hp and 200 lbs installed weight limitations for the rev-4 and later 701. Earlier
models are limited to 130 lbs. (they can go over this but will no longer comply
with TP 10141e design standards)
there has been one VW with redrive installed North of me, but last I heard they
were having overheating issues. Because the 701 flys slow, the cooling flow available
is limited. There is a Corvair installation South of me but the engine
is up for sale and being replaced with a Jabiru. I dont know the reason but
heating and weight would be likely. Most others here are 912 or 912s. The 912s
is not so popular as they shake things to bits, that may have improved now
with the new ring mount frame. Almost the same performance can be had from the
Rotax 582 or Simminoni Victor.
Regards, Ralph
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Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106767#106767
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec VCI-373 |
John,
I asked Cortec a similar question because I wanted to paint over
some of it inside the cabin area. This was their response:
Gordon
You can apply any acrylic coating as a top coat to VpCI 373. This would
include most products that you find at local hardware stores. You can
also
apply virtually and urethane coating. If there is a specific coating
that
you would like to apply, please let me know and I can advise about
compatibility.
Best regards,
Cliff Cracauer
Technical Sales Manager
Integrated Solutions
Cortec Corporation
----- Original Message -----
From: JohnDRead@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cortec VCI-373
Hello List:
Anyone have experience of using Cortec as a primer on
the outside of an aircraft? What paint would be compatible?
John
CH701 with Slats
in Colorado
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| Subject: | Corvair Firewall |
All-
As you know, sometimes you save time by taking sthe time to
research. I don't think this was a stupid question, and I think it's one
that anyone considering a Corvair install should think about before
punching holes in a hard to replace firewall.
Thanks to all for your input. Unlike the cattycorner brace question,
there is a definitive answer to this one, and now it's in the archives
for future builders to refer to.
It took me a week to get an answer to my question, probably because
I didn't communicate exactly what I was looking for well. Now do all you
listers see the need for a place you can go to get definitive answers to
questions that have been puzzling builders since Moses was the foreman
at Zenith?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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Bob
The Culver people are great to do business with, and their products are
great.
Larry Mayes
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Thanks Ralph, I have spent most of today on the internet looking at
engines. Like most everyone, I like small engines that pump out a
lot of power. If only the AeroVee was 100hp...... But, I am such a
beginner here. All I want is enough power to get out of my pasture
(800 ft runway). If 80 hp would do it, that is what I would go
for. Jerry
On Apr 13, 2007, at 5:50 PM, jetboy wrote:
>
> Gerry,
> The ZAC website lists a lot of custom engine installations.
>
> I chose the Jabiru 2200 because its a standard installation and
> within the 100 hp and 200 lbs installed weight limitations for the
> rev-4 and later 701. Earlier models are limited to 130 lbs. (they
> can go over this but will no longer comply with TP 10141e design
> standards)
>
> there has been one VW with redrive installed North of me, but last
> I heard they were having overheating issues. Because the 701 flys
> slow, the cooling flow available is limited. There is a Corvair
> installation South of me but the engine is up for sale and being
> replaced with a Jabiru. I dont know the reason but heating and
> weight would be likely. Most others here are 912 or 912s. The 912s
> is not so popular as they shake things to bits, that may have
> improved now with the new ring mount frame. Almost the same
> performance can be had from the Rotax 582 or Simminoni Victor.
>
> Regards, Ralph
>
> --------
> Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106767#106767
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec VCI-373 |
Changing the subject to the metal chips, does anyone EVER get rid of all the chips?
I'm past the kit assembly and I still have to vacuum chips daily.
Jay in Dallas
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William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Im using Cortec also and Ive experienced the problems stated by Michael bellow
however, there are ways to mitigate this. I typically roughen the surface
with scotchbrite and clean it well before applying, then I let it dry for
24 hours and this avoid the problem of peeling out.
>
>
> To remove chips/shavings of metal stick in the aluminum I use a cloth slightly
damped with denatured alcohol for open spaces and a brush for the tight places,
this un-stick the chips and after that I vacuum them out of the assembly.
>
>
> Even with this inconveniences, I thing Cortec is still easier to apply than
any other method. What I dont know is if it provide equal protection in the
long run .
>
> William Dominguez
> Zodiac 601XL Plans
> Miami, Florida
>
>
>Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com> wrote:As this discussion continues,
I must interject how much I disliked the Cortec. I found it to be very easy
to apply, but crappy thereafter. It was sticky and held aluminum chips/shavings
in tight places. It liked to peel, like Elmer's glue - especially when
two pieces rubbed together (like when you move the wing skin around on the ribs).
It also sucks to mark on with a sharpie afterwards.
>
>I will admit that when I went back to mess with one part about a year later,
the stuff had dried much better and held to the part better. But, that was literally
a year later.
>
>I am now using the Dupli-Color self-etching primer that you get at auto stores.
I have to go outside or in the garage to spray (with a regular mask), but
it is so much easier and nicer!
>
>Michael in NH
>
>do not archive
>
>
>On 4/13/07, JohnDRead@aol.com < JohnDRead@aol.com> wrote: Hello List:
> Anyone have experience of using Cortec as a primer on the
outside of an aircraft? What paint would be compatible?
>
> John
> CH701 with Slats
> in Colorado
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec VCI-373 |
Thanks for the reply Gordon.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec VCI-373 |
I use 33/66 of Cortec/Denatured.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
JohnDRead@aol.com wrote: How much are you thinning the Cortec? I use 50/50
Cortec/Denatured alcohol.
John
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