---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/13/07: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:13 AM - Re: Cortec VCI-373 (special4) 2. 06:18 AM - Re: Zenith 701 (Tommy Walker) 3. 06:21 AM - Re: Arrgh!!! (Jaybannist@cs.com) 4. 07:05 AM - Re: Arrgh!!! (Gig Giacona) 5. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: Arrgh!!! (Roger Pritchard) 6. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (JohnDRead@aol.com) 7. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (Michael Valentine) 8. 12:34 PM - 701 engines (Jerry Hey) 9. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (William Dominguez) 10. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (JohnDRead@aol.com) 11. 02:28 PM - Re: 701 engines (baileys) 12. 02:52 PM - Re: 701 engines (jetboy) 13. 03:01 PM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (Gordon) 14. 03:18 PM - Corvair Firewall (Bill Naumuk) 15. 03:28 PM - Re: 701 engines (LINLARMAYES@aol.com) 16. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: 701 engines (Jerry Hey) 17. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (Jaybannist@cs.com) 18. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (JohnDRead@aol.com) 19. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Cortec VCI-373 (William Dominguez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:43 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cortec VCI-373 From: "special4" Thanks John, I did check the "Cortec" website, but there is no information on the product data sheet regarding temps/humidity. I have sent an email but no answer so far. Peter Sonders -------- Sportsflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106659#106659 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:05 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith 701 And it's good to see Mr. Rozema back on the list. Hope you are fully recovered. Tommy Walker in Alabama ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:30 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Arrgh!!! Bill, YES! - Jay in Dallas "Bill Naumuk" wrote: >All- > I must be the lousiest writer in the world, because all I've been trying to find out is, CAN I ASSEMBLE ALL THE PIECES OF THE FIREWALL TO PLANS AND MOUNT A CORVAIR WITHOUT HAVING TO MOVE ANYTHING LATER!! > Thanks. >Bill Naumuk >HDS Fuse/Corvair >Townville, Pa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Naumuk > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:00 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: I'll rephrase the question > > > Corvair people- > Can I lay out and attach the braces per plans to the firewall and install the Corvair mount with no hassle, or will I have to move some of the braces down the line? To drill or not to drill... > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuse/Corvair > Townville, Pa > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:05 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Arrgh!!! From: "Gig Giacona" Yes you can [quote="naumuk(at)alltel.net"]All- I must be the lousiest writer in the world, because all I've been trying to find out is, CAN I ASSEMBLE ALL THE PIECES OF THE FIREWALL TO PLANS AND MOUNT A CORVAIR WITHOUT HAVING TO MOVE ANYTHING LATER!! Thanks. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa > --- -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106673#106673 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:03 AM PST US From: Roger Pritchard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Arrgh!!! Yes --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:42 AM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cortec VCI-373 Hello List: Anyone have experience of using Cortec as a primer on the outside of an aircraft? What paint would be compatible? John CH701 with Slats in Colorado ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:38 AM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cortec VCI-373 As this discussion continues, I must interject how much I disliked the Cortec. I found it to be very easy to apply, but crappy thereafter. It was sticky and held aluminum chips/shavings in tight places. It liked to peel, like Elmer's glue - especially when two pieces rubbed together (like when you move the wing skin around on the ribs). It also sucks to mark on with a sharpie afterwards. I will admit that when I went back to mess with one part about a year later, the stuff had dried much better and held to the part better. But, that was literally a year later. I am now using the Dupli-Color self-etching primer that you get at auto stores. I have to go outside or in the garage to spray (with a regular mask), but it is so much easier and nicer! Michael in NH do not archive On 4/13/07, JohnDRead@aol.com wrote: > > Hello List: > Anyone have experience of using Cortec as a primer on the > outside of an aircraft? What paint would be compatible? > > John > CH701 with Slats > in Colorado > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:53 PM PST US From: Jerry Hey Subject: Zenith-List: 701 engines Has anyone tried the VW conversions? Great Plains has a couple of 100 hp versions. I know the Rotax 912 is popular but I have not heard anything about the competition. How about 80 hp vs 100 hp? Are most older 701 80 hp? Jerry ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:14 PM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cortec VCI-373 Im using Cortec also and Ive experienced the problems stated by Michael bellow however, there are ways to mitigate this. I typically roughen the surface with scotchbrite and clean it well before applying, then I let it dry for 24 hours and this avoid the problem of peeling out. To remove chips/shavings of metal stick in the aluminum I use a cloth slightly damped with denatured alcohol for open spaces and a brush for the tight places, this un-stick the chips and after that I vacuum them out of the assembly. Even with this inconveniences, I thing Cortec is still easier to apply than any other method. What I dont know is if it provide equal protection in the long run . William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami, Florida Michael Valentine wrote:As this discussion continues, I must interject how much I disliked the Cortec. I found it to be very easy to apply, but crappy thereafter. It was sticky and held aluminum chips/shavings in tight places. It liked to peel, like Elmer's glue - especially when two pieces rubbed together (like when you move the wing skin around on the ribs). It also sucks to mark on with a sharpie afterwards. I will admit that when I went back to mess with one part about a year later, the stuff had dried much better and held to the part better. But, that was literally a year later. I am now using the Dupli-Color self-etching primer that you get at auto stores. I have to go outside or in the garage to spray (with a regular mask), but it is so much easier and nicer! Michael in NH do not archive On 4/13/07, JohnDRead@aol.com < JohnDRead@aol.com> wrote: Hello List: Anyone have experience of using Cortec as a primer on the outside of an aircraft? What paint would be compatible? John CH701 with Slats in Colorado ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:14 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cortec VCI-373 How much are you thinning the Cortec? I use 50/50 Cortec/Denatured alcohol. John ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:20 PM PST US From: "baileys" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 engines There is a 701 with a VW conversion here in Missouri. The owner got so many e-mails he dropped his subscription. Try Valley Engineering ( makers of the Great Plains PSRU and Culver props) The even offer a VW firewall forward package for the 701 http://www.culverprops.com/index.php Bob B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Hey To: Zenith Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 engines Has anyone tried the VW conversions? Great Plains has a couple of 100 hp versions. I know the Rotax 912 is popular but I have not heard anything about the competition. How about 80 hp vs 100 hp? Are most older 701 80 hp? Jerry ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:31 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engines From: "jetboy" Gerry, The ZAC website lists a lot of custom engine installations. I chose the Jabiru 2200 because its a standard installation and within the 100 hp and 200 lbs installed weight limitations for the rev-4 and later 701. Earlier models are limited to 130 lbs. (they can go over this but will no longer comply with TP 10141e design standards) there has been one VW with redrive installed North of me, but last I heard they were having overheating issues. Because the 701 flys slow, the cooling flow available is limited. There is a Corvair installation South of me but the engine is up for sale and being replaced with a Jabiru. I dont know the reason but heating and weight would be likely. Most others here are 912 or 912s. The 912s is not so popular as they shake things to bits, that may have improved now with the new ring mount frame. Almost the same performance can be had from the Rotax 582 or Simminoni Victor. Regards, Ralph -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106767#106767 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:45 PM PST US From: "Gordon" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cortec VCI-373 John, I asked Cortec a similar question because I wanted to paint over some of it inside the cabin area. This was their response: Gordon You can apply any acrylic coating as a top coat to VpCI 373. This would include most products that you find at local hardware stores. You can also apply virtually and urethane coating. If there is a specific coating that you would like to apply, please let me know and I can advise about compatibility. Best regards, Cliff Cracauer Technical Sales Manager Integrated Solutions Cortec Corporation ----- Original Message ----- From: JohnDRead@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cortec VCI-373 Hello List: Anyone have experience of using Cortec as a primer on the outside of an aircraft? What paint would be compatible? John CH701 with Slats in Colorado ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:15 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair Firewall All- As you know, sometimes you save time by taking sthe time to research. I don't think this was a stupid question, and I think it's one that anyone considering a Corvair install should think about before punching holes in a hard to replace firewall. Thanks to all for your input. Unlike the cattycorner brace question, there is a definitive answer to this one, and now it's in the archives for future builders to refer to. It took me a week to get an answer to my question, probably because I didn't communicate exactly what I was looking for well. Now do all you listers see the need for a place you can go to get definitive answers to questions that have been puzzling builders since Moses was the foreman at Zenith? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:45 PM PST US From: LINLARMAYES@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 engines Bob The Culver people are great to do business with, and their products are great. Larry Mayes ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:52 PM PST US From: Jerry Hey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engines Thanks Ralph, I have spent most of today on the internet looking at engines. Like most everyone, I like small engines that pump out a lot of power. If only the AeroVee was 100hp...... But, I am such a beginner here. All I want is enough power to get out of my pasture (800 ft runway). If 80 hp would do it, that is what I would go for. Jerry On Apr 13, 2007, at 5:50 PM, jetboy wrote: > > Gerry, > The ZAC website lists a lot of custom engine installations. > > I chose the Jabiru 2200 because its a standard installation and > within the 100 hp and 200 lbs installed weight limitations for the > rev-4 and later 701. Earlier models are limited to 130 lbs. (they > can go over this but will no longer comply with TP 10141e design > standards) > > there has been one VW with redrive installed North of me, but last > I heard they were having overheating issues. Because the 701 flys > slow, the cooling flow available is limited. There is a Corvair > installation South of me but the engine is up for sale and being > replaced with a Jabiru. I dont know the reason but heating and > weight would be likely. Most others here are 912 or 912s. The 912s > is not so popular as they shake things to bits, that may have > improved now with the new ring mount frame. Almost the same > performance can be had from the Rotax 582 or Simminoni Victor. > > Regards, Ralph > > -------- > Ralph - CH701 / 2200a > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106767#106767 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:52 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cortec VCI-373 Changing the subject to the metal chips, does anyone EVER get rid of all the chips? I'm past the kit assembly and I still have to vacuum chips daily. Jay in Dallas do not archive William Dominguez wrote: > Im using Cortec also and Ive experienced the problems stated by Michael bellow however, there are ways to mitigate this. I typically roughen the surface with scotchbrite and clean it well before applying, then I let it dry for 24 hours and this avoid the problem of peeling out. > > > To remove chips/shavings of metal stick in the aluminum I use a cloth slightly damped with denatured alcohol for open spaces and a brush for the tight places, this un-stick the chips and after that I vacuum them out of the assembly. > > > Even with this inconveniences, I thing Cortec is still easier to apply than any other method. What I dont know is if it provide equal protection in the long run . > > William Dominguez > Zodiac 601XL Plans > Miami, Florida > > >Michael Valentine wrote:As this discussion continues, I must interject how much I disliked the Cortec. I found it to be very easy to apply, but crappy thereafter. It was sticky and held aluminum chips/shavings in tight places. It liked to peel, like Elmer's glue - especially when two pieces rubbed together (like when you move the wing skin around on the ribs). It also sucks to mark on with a sharpie afterwards. > >I will admit that when I went back to mess with one part about a year later, the stuff had dried much better and held to the part better. But, that was literally a year later. > >I am now using the Dupli-Color self-etching primer that you get at auto stores. I have to go outside or in the garage to spray (with a regular mask), but it is so much easier and nicer! > >Michael in NH > >do not archive > > >On 4/13/07, JohnDRead@aol.com < JohnDRead@aol.com> wrote: Hello List: > Anyone have experience of using Cortec as a primer on the outside of an aircraft? What paint would be compatible? > > John > CH701 with Slats > in Colorado > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:42 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cortec VCI-373 Thanks for the reply Gordon. John ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:15 PM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cortec VCI-373 I use 33/66 of Cortec/Denatured. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami, Florida JohnDRead@aol.com wrote: How much are you thinning the Cortec? I use 50/50 Cortec/Denatured alcohol. 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