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1. 04:39 AM - Re: Arrgh!!! (Phil Maxson)
2. 05:31 AM - Harbor Freight Firewall Bolt Corvair Trimming (Scott Laughlin)
3. 07:24 AM - New ELTs (Jeff)
4. 07:44 AM - Trim your posts.....! (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
5. 07:50 AM - Re: New ELTs (David Mikesell)
6. 09:04 AM - Post size (Bill Naumuk)
7. 09:07 AM - Corvair motor mount bolt sizes (Bill Naumuk)
8. 09:19 AM - Re: New ELTs (george may)
9. 10:54 AM - Re: New ELTs (R.P.)
10. 11:13 AM - HD/DDS 6L3-4 Bungee pin (Bill Naumuk)
11. 11:16 AM - Re: Post size (Bill Naumuk)
12. 11:41 AM - 601 Rudder light fairing fit (Paul Riedlinger)
13. 12:00 PM - Re: New ELTs (Craig Payne)
14. 12:39 PM - Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (Edward Moody II)
15. 01:22 PM - Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (Jeff)
16. 01:31 PM - Re: New ELTs (Jeff)
17. 01:50 PM - Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (Paul Riedlinger)
18. 02:12 PM - Dave's brake (mudbuginc@netzero.com)
19. 02:24 PM - Re: Dave's brake (TxDave)
20. 02:34 PM - Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (TxDave)
21. 02:49 PM - HF Pnuematic Riveter (Bill Naumuk)
22. 02:53 PM - Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (Bryan Martin)
23. 03:03 PM - Re: Dave's brake (David Mikesell)
24. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (Paul Riedlinger)
25. 03:06 PM - Re: HF Pneumatic Riveter (Paul Riedlinger)
26. 03:08 PM - Re: HF Pnuematic Riveter (george may)
27. 03:11 PM - Re: Dave's brake (Aaron Gustafson)
28. 03:31 PM - Build website (Paul Riedlinger)
29. 03:32 PM - Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (David Downey)
30. 04:13 PM - Re: Dave's brake (Gary Boothe)
31. 04:16 PM - Re: HF Pnuematic Riveter (Gary Boothe)
32. 05:26 PM - Re: Build website (TxDave)
33. 07:01 PM - Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (Juan Vega)
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I don't really know if the locations of the engine mounts for the HDS are t
he same as the XL, not having seen the HDS plans.
When I laid out my XL firewall, it was clear to me that the locations of th
e engine mount bolts were not engine specific, since they align with the lo
ngerons and other bracing on the firewall. I would suspect that to be the
case with the HDS.Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
From: naumuk@alltel.netTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-Lis
t: Arrgh!!!Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:22:07 -0400
Phil-
The HDS firewall plans were set up for a Rotax 912. Is the XL the same?
I mean, were you able to lay everything out including the firewall holes f
or the engine mount and the only difference was the length of the mount bol
ts?
That would be a real bonus. I haven't drilled the mount attachment hole
s- figured I'd wait until I got the mount and drill to fit. I couldn't find
any firewall bolt pattern information in either the Corvair manual or on t
he WW website.
Thanks for the info.
Bill NaumukHDS Fuse/CorvairTownville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Maxson
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Arrgh!!!
I made my decision to use a Corvair long after mounting my firewall with no
problems. The only change is you need a longer bolt on the engine mounts
compared to the one Zenith specifies and provides with the kit. I just unb
olted my four mount points, cut the tack welds for the AN bolts and had a w
elder tack in four longer ones. I use the William Wynne engine mount and h
e can tell you the bolt lengths (or just measure them when you get the engi
ne mount). I am assuming the same would be true for the HDS.Phil Maxson 601
XL/CorvairNorthwest New Jersey
From: naumuk@alltel.netTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Zenith-List: A
rrgh!!!Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:28:53 -0400
All-
I must be the lousiest writer in the world, because all I've been tryin
g to find out is, CAN I ASSEMBLE ALL THE PIECES OF THE FIREWALL TO PLANS AN
D MOUNT A CORVAIR WITHOUT HAVING TO MOVE ANYTHING LATER!!
Thanks.
Bill NaumukHDS Fuse/CorvairTownville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: I'll rephrase the question
Corvair people-
Can I lay out and attach the braces per plans to the firewall and insta
ll the Corvair mount with no hassle, or will I have to move some of the bra
ces down the line? To drill or not to drill...
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| Subject: | Harbor Freight Firewall Bolt Corvair Trimming |
Good Morning Guys:
I'm packing for Sun-n Fun and just checked the Zenith List Digest for the
day. I won't be seeing it for a few days and I have a request for some
courtesy:
PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS BEFORE RE-POSTING.
There - I shouted it. I didn't reach the end today because it was the same
thing over and over and over and over and over. Leave the subject line and
a smidgen of the LAST post but not six pages of repeats please.
It is impossible to find where the previous post ends and the next one
begins. I've read this request about a dozen times in the four years I've
been building my airplane and it seems it goes on unchecked until somebody
speaks up and shouts it out. I guess it is my turn to do this.
I'm as interested in what you have to say as the next guy and also willing
to help you out if I can but I can't help if I can't find your request
because the guy before and after your post left a mile-long trail of
repeats.
Happy Drilling everyone - May your fingers go un-sliced and your .025 be
wrinkle-free.
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Listers,
In finishing up my panel, I've been looking at ELTs. While they
are not required during flight testing, I think that that is the time I'd
like to have one that works well. Far 91.207 requires the ELT. In 1995 the
TSO was updated to become TSO-C91C-A. This updated TSO was actually for a
newly designed device. Both transmitted on 121.5 and 243. These ELTs will
become unsupported in less than two years on 1 February 2009. The new TSO
is TSO-C126. These may transmit on multiple frequencies, but 406 mhz is
included. ELTs that are being sold now under both current TSOs. The rub
seems to be that all the TSO-91C, without or without the "a", will become
useless in 2009 since rescue agencies will ignore it after that date. Since
I'm buying new and not replacing an old ELT, it only makes sense to buy the
newer ELT. The rub is that the new ones are more complicated to install and
cost more. The $200 ELT is a thing of the past. Think $1,000 now. Artex
seems to be the leading manufacturer. For instance, Artex is the only one
listed in the 2006-2007ACS Catalog. Want to buy a stock with a great
upside? Anyhow, what are others doing? I figure that it is false economy
to buy a TSO-91C-a ELT, but Artex seems to be the only other choice. Has
anyone else looked into this? It appears that it will affect all flying
aircraft as far as I can tell.
Jeff Davidson
CH 601 HD/Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Trim your posts.....! |
Like Scott said.......
<<PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS BEFORE RE-POSTING.>>>>>
Please!
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For elt's we still use and buy the Ameriking one for $200. You won't
loose as much when the new ones come into effect and the Ameriking is a
good unit.
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:23 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: New ELTs
Listers,
In finishing up my panel, I've been looking at ELTs.
While they are not required during flight testing, I think that that is
the time I'd like to have one that works well. Far 91.207 requires the
ELT. In 1995 the TSO was updated to become TSO-C91C-A. This updated
TSO was actually for a newly designed device. Both transmitted on 121.5
and 243. These ELTs will become unsupported in less than two years on 1
February 2009. The new TSO is TSO-C126. These may transmit on multiple
frequencies, but 406 mhz is included. ELTs that are being sold now
under both current TSOs. The rub seems to be that all the TSO-91C,
without or without the "a", will become useless in 2009 since rescue
agencies will ignore it after that date. Since I'm buying new and not
replacing an old ELT, it only makes sense to buy the newer ELT. The rub
is that the new ones are more complicated to install and cost more. The
$200 ELT is a thing of the past. Think $1,000 now. Artex seems to be
the leading manufacturer. For instance, Artex is the only one listed in
the 2006-2007ACS Catalog. Want to buy a stock with a great upside?
Anyhow, what are others doing? I figure that it is false economy to buy
a TSO-91C-a ELT, but Artex seems to be the only other choice. Has
anyone else looked into this? It appears that it will affect all flying
aircraft as far as I can tell.
Jeff Davidson
CH 601 HD/Jabiru 3300
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Scott-
Automatically trimming your posts in some cases is counterproductive.
The string you're referring to produced some damned important information,
but you'd never know it if you were just reading the digest. I'm probably
the reason for your complaint. Mea culpa. Here are my suggestions and the
way I'll post effective immediately:
1. Subject lines have to be more specific. I was frustrated and had as a
subject line, "Aaargh". Fine while you're discussing a problem real-time,
but worthless when researching the archives.
2. The string in many cases should remain intact until a problem is
resolved so all listers can understand a problem and offer their input. At
the point of problem resolution, "Do not archive" should be added to the
post. It should be the responsibility of the original poster to summarize
the string and place a concise post for the archives.
3. Scott, I agree with you 100%, but there's a conflict between what
shows up on the digest and what's going on real time. .
I killed the last string by adding "Do not archive". Then I realized
that the answer to my final question, motor mount bolt size, never made it
into the archives. What I'm going to do is add a post for the archives with
a specific subject line. No one need respond to it.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:28 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Harbor Freight Firewall Bolt Corvair Trimming
>
> PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS BEFORE RE-POSTING.
>
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| Subject: | Corvair motor mount bolt sizes |
All-
Per forthcoming 601 installation manual, 601motor mount/firewall
attachment hardware requirements:
4- AN6-23A
4- AN363-624
4- AN960-616
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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Jeff--
I went with the existing $180 dollar ELT. Two years out of technology
change will probably bring other changes and hopefully a price decrease in
the 406Mhz unit.
George May
601Xl 912s---65 hours
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I bought a used ELT on Ebay for about $60. It's the ACK (?) that uses
regular alkaline "D" cells for power.
If I have to replace it in a couple of years I won't loose much$$$, and
hopefully the prices will come down by then as supply ramps up <fingers
crossed>
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff " <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:23 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: New ELTs
> Listers,
>
> In finishing up my panel, I've been looking at ELTs. While
> they
> are not required during flight testing, I think that that is the time I'd
> like to have one that works well. Far 91.207 requires the ELT. In 1995
> the
> TSO was updated to become TSO-C91C-A. This updated TSO was actually for a
> newly designed device. Both transmitted on 121.5 and 243. These ELTs
> will
> become unsupported in less than two years on 1 February 2009. The new TSO
> is TSO-C126. These may transmit on multiple frequencies, but 406 mhz is
> included. ELTs that are being sold now under both current TSOs. The rub
> seems to be that all the TSO-91C, without or without the "a", will become
> useless in 2009 since rescue agencies will ignore it after that date.
> Since
> I'm buying new and not replacing an old ELT, it only makes sense to buy
> the
> newer ELT. The rub is that the new ones are more complicated to install
> and
> cost more. The $200 ELT is a thing of the past. Think $1,000 now. Artex
> seems to be the leading manufacturer. For instance, Artex is the only one
> listed in the 2006-2007ACS Catalog. Want to buy a stock with a great
> upside? Anyhow, what are others doing? I figure that it is false economy
> to buy a TSO-91C-a ELT, but Artex seems to be the only other choice. Has
> anyone else looked into this? It appears that it will affect all flying
> aircraft as far as I can tell.
>
> Jeff Davidson
>
> CH 601 HD/Jabiru 3300
>
>
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| Subject: | HD/DDS 6L3-4 Bungee pin |
Beware-
Plans call for a 5/8" bungee mount pin, kit part mics .627.
Construction manual says to drill 6F10-5 and 6F9-4 for a 3/4" pin. Mic
kit supplied pin before proceeding.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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Oh,
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:03 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Post size
>
> Scott-
> Automatically trimming your posts in some cases is counterproductive.
> The string you're referring to produced some damned important information,
> but you'd never know it if you were just reading the digest. I'm probably
> the reason for your complaint. Mea culpa. Here are my suggestions and the
> way I'll post effective immediately:
> 1. Subject lines have to be more specific. I was frustrated and had as
> a subject line, "Aaargh". Fine while you're discussing a problem
> real-time, but worthless when researching the archives.
> 2. The string in many cases should remain intact until a problem is
> resolved so all listers can understand a problem and offer their input. At
> the point of problem resolution, "Do not archive" should be added to the
> post. It should be the responsibility of the original poster to summarize
> the string and place a concise post for the archives.
> 3. Scott, I agree with you 100%, but there's a conflict between what
> shows up on the digest and what's going on real time. .
> I killed the last string by adding "Do not archive". Then I realized
> that the answer to my final question, motor mount bolt size, never made it
> into the archives. What I'm going to do is add a post for the archives
> with a specific subject line. No one need respond to it.
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuse/Corvair
> Townville, Pa
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:28 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Harbor Freight Firewall Bolt Corvair Trimming
>
>
>>
>> PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS BEFORE RE-POSTING.
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 601 Rudder light fairing fit |
I have fitted the supplied fiberglass fairing for the rudder nav light but
it is so poorly made that the surface where the aluminum mounting bracket
sits is not flat (about 1/8" height difference on the mold line where the
two halves are joined). Also and likely more importantly, the edges of the
fairing curl up away from the rudder skin when it is clecoed in place. How
do you get the fairing to lay flush with the rudder skin?
I have attached a small photo in case my description above is not clear.
Any help with these two issue would be appreciated! Man I hate fiberglass!
My hands are itchy.
Paul Riedlinger
paulried@rogers.com
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Well, I sprang for the Artex 406 MHz unit. I find it no harder to install
than a older unit. Bolt the mount down, mount the antenna and string some
coax between them. One of the nice things about the Artex is that its single
antenna serves for 121.5, 243 and 406 MHz.
Why buy the more expensive unit now? Because I view having an ELT as an
advantage, not a painful legal requirement. The new 406 MHz units locate you
within a mile (compared to 10-12 miles for old units). The newer network
detects a signal within 5 minutes (45 minutes max on the old). And the ELT
has an electronic serial number in it that is broadcast. The serial number
is in a registry with your name, tail number and phone numbers in it. So
when an alert is received Search and Rescue tries to contact you. This
reduces the impact of false alarms.
The down-side of Artex's entry-level 406 MHz unit is that it doesn't contain
(or connect to) a GPS. The new satellite network supports ELTs which encode
their coordinates in the transmission. So a GPS-aware ELT tells the
searchers where you are within feet. If I start flying a lot cross country
I'll consider carrying a personal locator beacon (basically a pocket ELT
with a GPS).
There is a good article on 406 MHZ ELTs and a review of the Artex box at
www.aviationconsumer.com. But you will have to subscribe.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit |
Hi Paul,
I haven't worked on your specific problem but in general, if a composite
part (fiberglass, plexiglas, Lexan, etc.) is not fitting properly and
passively, heat the #%!*%!!# with a paintstripper heat gun. Start at
lower temperature and work on it patiently so that you reshape the part
using the lowest temperature that will soften it enough to overcome its
memory. Let me stress that part about low heat / long heat up time. If
you get impatient and ramp up the temp too much to get a quick response,
you may screw up the part. Once the part is warm enough to lose its
shape memory, bend it just past where you want it to stay and maintain
that position while it cools. It takes time, patience, and there is a
learning curve, but it will work.
Good luck. Hope that helps,
Dred
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Riedlinger
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder light fairing fit
I have fitted the supplied fiberglass fairing for the rudder nav light
but it is so poorly made that the surface where the aluminum mounting
bracket sits is not flat (about 1/8" height difference on the mold line
where the two halves are joined). Also and likely more importantly, the
edges of the fairing curl up away from the rudder skin when it is
clecoed in place. How do you get the fairing to lay flush with the
rudder skin?
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| Subject: | 601 Rudder light fairing fit |
Well Paul, your fiberglass fairing looks better than mine! I'm just about
to install it too. For mine, I will heat it up and try to get a little
better shape out of the fiberglass. The fit as it came really is not
acceptable. It is too late for me, but if this fairing is installed as the
rudder is built, the fairing can be installed with the fiberglass flange on
the inside giving a much cleaner installation.
Jeff Davidson
_____
I have fitted the supplied fiberglass fairing for the rudder nav light but
it is so poorly made that the surface where the aluminum mounting bracket
sits is not flat (about 1/8" height difference on the mold line where the
two halves are joined). Also and likely more importantly, the edges of the
fairing curl up away from the rudder skin when it is clecoed in place. How
do you get the fairing to lay flush with the rudder skin?
I
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Craig,
I agree. There is no question but that the new ELT is much
better. My point though, is that the date is fast approaching so buying
something now to do the job in the interim has less value as the months go
by. A year from now the old ELTs will be as worthless as used DMEs. And
every airplane and airplane owner will be affected.
Jeff D
Well, I sprang for the Artex 406 MHz unit. I find it no harder to install
than a older unit. Bolt the mount down, mount the antenna and string some
coax between them. One of the nice things about the Artex is that its single
antenna serves for 121.5, 243 and 406 MHz.
Why buy the more expensive unit now? Because I view having an ELT as an
advantage, not a painful legal requirement. The new 406 MHz units locate you
within a mile (compared to 10-12 miles for old units). The newer network
detects a signal within 5 minutes (45 minutes max on the old). And the ELT
has an electronic serial number in it that is broadcast. The serial number
is in a registry with your name, tail number and phone numbers in it. So
when an alert is received Search and Rescue tries to contact you. This
reduces the impact of false alarms.
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| Subject: | 601 Rudder light fairing fit |
Jeff:
Good idea, but too late for me I think. The one side is still open by a few
rivets (per Canadian inspection reg's). I am going to try using a heat gun
later tonight to see if that works.
Paul Riedlinger
paulried@rogers.com
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: April-15-07 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder light fairing fit
Well Paul, your fiberglass fairing looks better than mine! I'm just about
to install it too. For mine, I will heat it up and try to get a little
better shape out of the fiberglass. The fit as it came really is not
acceptable. It is too late for me, but if this fairing is installed as the
rudder is built, the fairing can be installed with the fiberglass flange on
the inside giving a much cleaner installation.
Jeff Davidson
_____
I have fitted the supplied fiberglass fairing for the rudder nav light but
it is so poorly made that the surface where the aluminum mounting bracket
sits is not flat (about 1/8" height difference on the mold line where the
two halves are joined). Also and likely more importantly, the edges of the
fairing curl up away from the rudder skin when it is clecoed in place. How
do you get the fairing to lay flush with the rudder skin?
I
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Dave, or anyone else that has built this brake:
Do you find that the brake, being attached to your work table, gets in t
he way when trying to use the table for other purposes?
Would it be better to build a separate table for the brake if you had th
e room?
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's brake |
When I need it out of the way, I just take the top plate off, leaving the rest
of the brake attached to the table. I was able to build a wing on my table with
the brake still in place. I didn't have room for a separate table.
If you intend to build my brake make sure to download the latest version of the
plans from my website. I've included some tips for difficult bending situations.
Feel free to email me if I you run into any problems.
Dave Clay
601XL from plans
http://www.daves601xl.com
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit |
Hey Paul,
Dred's advice works well. I used the same technique on my fiberglass wingtip. I
had to adjust the flanges for a good fit with the wing skin. I didn't have access
to a paint stripper heat gun, so I borrowed my wife's blow dryer. It worked
just fine. She never knew.
Dave Clay
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| Subject: | HF Pnuematic Riveter |
All-
My HF riveter doesn't want to grab the rivet shank anymore.
Any quick fix, or do I get another one?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit |
On Apr 15, 2007, at 4:22 PM, Jeff wrote:
> It is too late for me, but if this fairing is installed as the
> rudder is built, the fairing can be installed with the fiberglass
> flange on the inside giving a much cleaner installation.
>
>
That's what I did with mine, looks great.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's brake |
I did and it works great!! I built another table with wheels so I can
move it around.
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
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From: mudbuginc@netzero.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Dave's brake
Dave, or anyone else that has built this brake:
Do you find that the brake, being attached to your work table, gets in
the way when trying to use the table for other purposes?
Would it be better to build a separate table for the brake if you had
the room?
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit |
Thanks Dave. Now that the Nascar race is over, I am headed back to the
garage... and yes, before you ask, I am likely the only Nascar fan in
Toronto! My excuse is I lived in NC for 11 years and caught the bug.
Paul Riedlinger
paulried@rogers.com
www.mykitlog.com/paulried/
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TxDave
Sent: April-15-07 5:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit
Hey Paul,
Dred's advice works well. I used the same technique on my fiberglass
wingtip. I had to adjust the flanges for a good fit with the wing skin. I
didn't have access to a paint stripper heat gun, so I borrowed my wife's
blow dryer. It worked just fine. She never knew.
Dave Clay
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=107137#107137
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| Subject: | HF Pneumatic Riveter |
I had the same issue this morning. It was ceased up. I put a few drops of
Marvel Mystery oil in the nose (after removing the nose piece) and cycled
about 2 dozen times and all was well. I have the older "larger" HF
riveter. It has worked well for 2 planes for me so far!
Paul Riedlinger
paulried@rogers.com
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: April-15-07 5:50 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: HF Pnuematic Riveter
All-
My HF riveter doesn't want to grab the rivet shank anymore.
Any quick fix, or do I get another one?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | HF Pnuematic Riveter |
" My HF riveter doesn't want to grab the rivet shank anymore."
Bill-
If you have not oiled it, it will bind up. Usually a couple drops of oil in
the air hole will loosen things up. If this doesn't do it, you will need to
disassemble it and oil it. You should not have to replace it.
George May
601XL 912s--65 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's brake |
I put my brake on two arms that hang from the ceiling joists. Two braces
keep it steady if it's going to be used for more than a few parts. When
not in use I strap it up and out of the way. Before this it was on a
separate table and always in the way if space is premium.do not archive
Aaron
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Do you find that the brake, being attached to your work table, gets in
the way when trying to use the table for other purposes?
Would it be better to build a separate table for the brake if you had
the room?
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Just in case anyone is interested, I am keeping track of my build online at
www.mykitlog.com/paulried/
I am really happy that Matt (host of this list) has taken over the Kitlog
program. He has already made a number of big improvements.
Paul Riedlinger
paulried@rogers.com
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| Subject: | 601 Rudder light fairing fit |
I have seen this come by several times and this is just a thought:
The tail is not mass balanced but the plane flies slowly so the idea of flutter
is not very alarming. Notching the rudder trailing edge to achieve a cosmetic
effect is not something to do lightly as any "loosening" of the control surface
will reduce whatever flutter margin there is to some degree. A nicely faired
external fitting is also quite possible.
Jeff <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net> wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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} Well Paul, your fiberglass fairing looks better than mine!
I'm just about to install it too. For mine, I will heat it up and try to
get a little better shape out of the fiberglass. The fit as it came really is
not acceptable. It is too late for me, but if this fairing is installed as the
rudder is built, the fairing can be installed with the fiberglass flange on
the inside giving a much cleaner installation.
Jeff Davidson
---------------------------------
I have fitted the supplied fiberglass fairing for the rudder nav light but it
is so poorly made that the surface where the aluminum mounting bracket sits is
not flat (about 1/8" height difference on the mold line where the two halves
are joined). Also and likely more importantly, the edges of the fairing curl
up away from the rudder skin when it is clecoed in place. How do you get the
fairing to lay flush with the rudder skin?
I
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
---------------------------------
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Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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I find little or no interference at all. See attachment for an easy rack for
the top piece.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
mudbuginc@netzero.com
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:11 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Dave's brake
Dave, or anyone else that has built this brake:
Do you find that the brake, being attached to your work table, gets in the
way when trying to use the table for other purposes?
Would it be better to build a separate table for the brake if you had the
room?
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| Subject: | HF Pnuematic Riveter |
Same thing happened to mine.took it apart, cleaned and oiled it.life's good
(or, as they say in the UK, Bob's your uncle).
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: HF Pnuematic Riveter
All-
My HF riveter doesn't want to grab the rivet shank anymore.
Any quick fix, or do I get another one?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Build website |
Looks like you're doing great work, Paul. Thanks for sharing with the group. I'll
be watching your progress.
do not archive
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
http://www.daves601xl.com
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit |
regarding the rudder light fairng, alittle Superfill will do the trick.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Riedlinger <paulried@rogers.com>
>Sent: Apr 15, 2007 2:39 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder light fairing fit
>
>I have fitted the supplied fiberglass fairing for the rudder nav light but
>it is so poorly made that the surface where the aluminum mounting bracket
>sits is not flat (about 1/8" height difference on the mold line where the
>two halves are joined). Also and likely more importantly, the edges of the
>fairing curl up away from the rudder skin when it is clecoed in place. How
>do you get the fairing to lay flush with the rudder skin?
>
>I have attached a small photo in case my description above is not clear.
>
>Any help with these two issue would be appreciated! Man I hate fiberglass!
>My hands are itchy.
>
>
>Paul Riedlinger
>paulried@rogers.com
>
>
>
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