---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/15/07: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:39 AM - Re: Arrgh!!! (Phil Maxson) 2. 05:31 AM - Harbor Freight Firewall Bolt Corvair Trimming (Scott Laughlin) 3. 07:24 AM - New ELTs (Jeff) 4. 07:44 AM - Trim your posts.....! (VideoFlyer@aol.com) 5. 07:50 AM - Re: New ELTs (David Mikesell) 6. 09:04 AM - Post size (Bill Naumuk) 7. 09:07 AM - Corvair motor mount bolt sizes (Bill Naumuk) 8. 09:19 AM - Re: New ELTs (george may) 9. 10:54 AM - Re: New ELTs (R.P.) 10. 11:13 AM - HD/DDS 6L3-4 Bungee pin (Bill Naumuk) 11. 11:16 AM - Re: Post size (Bill Naumuk) 12. 11:41 AM - 601 Rudder light fairing fit (Paul Riedlinger) 13. 12:00 PM - Re: New ELTs (Craig Payne) 14. 12:39 PM - Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (Edward Moody II) 15. 01:22 PM - Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (Jeff) 16. 01:31 PM - Re: New ELTs (Jeff) 17. 01:50 PM - Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (Paul Riedlinger) 18. 02:12 PM - Dave's brake (mudbuginc@netzero.com) 19. 02:24 PM - Re: Dave's brake (TxDave) 20. 02:34 PM - Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (TxDave) 21. 02:49 PM - HF Pnuematic Riveter (Bill Naumuk) 22. 02:53 PM - Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (Bryan Martin) 23. 03:03 PM - Re: Dave's brake (David Mikesell) 24. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (Paul Riedlinger) 25. 03:06 PM - Re: HF Pneumatic Riveter (Paul Riedlinger) 26. 03:08 PM - Re: HF Pnuematic Riveter (george may) 27. 03:11 PM - Re: Dave's brake (Aaron Gustafson) 28. 03:31 PM - Build website (Paul Riedlinger) 29. 03:32 PM - Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (David Downey) 30. 04:13 PM - Re: Dave's brake (Gary Boothe) 31. 04:16 PM - Re: HF Pnuematic Riveter (Gary Boothe) 32. 05:26 PM - Re: Build website (TxDave) 33. 07:01 PM - Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit (Juan Vega) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:31 AM PST US From: Phil Maxson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Arrgh!!! I don't really know if the locations of the engine mounts for the HDS are t he same as the XL, not having seen the HDS plans. When I laid out my XL firewall, it was clear to me that the locations of th e engine mount bolts were not engine specific, since they align with the lo ngerons and other bracing on the firewall. I would suspect that to be the case with the HDS.Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey From: naumuk@alltel.netTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-Lis t: Arrgh!!!Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:22:07 -0400 Phil- The HDS firewall plans were set up for a Rotax 912. Is the XL the same? I mean, were you able to lay everything out including the firewall holes f or the engine mount and the only difference was the length of the mount bol ts? That would be a real bonus. I haven't drilled the mount attachment hole s- figured I'd wait until I got the mount and drill to fit. I couldn't find any firewall bolt pattern information in either the Corvair manual or on t he WW website. Thanks for the info. Bill NaumukHDS Fuse/CorvairTownville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Maxson Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Arrgh!!! I made my decision to use a Corvair long after mounting my firewall with no problems. The only change is you need a longer bolt on the engine mounts compared to the one Zenith specifies and provides with the kit. I just unb olted my four mount points, cut the tack welds for the AN bolts and had a w elder tack in four longer ones. I use the William Wynne engine mount and h e can tell you the bolt lengths (or just measure them when you get the engi ne mount). I am assuming the same would be true for the HDS.Phil Maxson 601 XL/CorvairNorthwest New Jersey From: naumuk@alltel.netTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Zenith-List: A rrgh!!!Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:28:53 -0400 All- I must be the lousiest writer in the world, because all I've been tryin g to find out is, CAN I ASSEMBLE ALL THE PIECES OF THE FIREWALL TO PLANS AN D MOUNT A CORVAIR WITHOUT HAVING TO MOVE ANYTHING LATER!! Thanks. Bill NaumukHDS Fuse/CorvairTownville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: Zenith-List: I'll rephrase the question Corvair people- Can I lay out and attach the braces per plans to the firewall and insta ll the Corvair mount with no hassle, or will I have to move some of the bra ces down the line? To drill or not to drill... 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I didn't reach the end today because it was the same thing over and over and over and over and over. Leave the subject line and a smidgen of the LAST post but not six pages of repeats please. It is impossible to find where the previous post ends and the next one begins. I've read this request about a dozen times in the four years I've been building my airplane and it seems it goes on unchecked until somebody speaks up and shouts it out. I guess it is my turn to do this. I'm as interested in what you have to say as the next guy and also willing to help you out if I can but I can't help if I can't find your request because the guy before and after your post left a mile-long trail of repeats. Happy Drilling everyone - May your fingers go un-sliced and your .025 be wrinkle-free. Scott Laughlin 99% complete, 25% to go www.cooknwithgas.com _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:11 AM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: Zenith-List: New ELTs Listers, In finishing up my panel, I've been looking at ELTs. While they are not required during flight testing, I think that that is the time I'd like to have one that works well. Far 91.207 requires the ELT. In 1995 the TSO was updated to become TSO-C91C-A. This updated TSO was actually for a newly designed device. Both transmitted on 121.5 and 243. These ELTs will become unsupported in less than two years on 1 February 2009. The new TSO is TSO-C126. These may transmit on multiple frequencies, but 406 mhz is included. ELTs that are being sold now under both current TSOs. The rub seems to be that all the TSO-91C, without or without the "a", will become useless in 2009 since rescue agencies will ignore it after that date. Since I'm buying new and not replacing an old ELT, it only makes sense to buy the newer ELT. The rub is that the new ones are more complicated to install and cost more. The $200 ELT is a thing of the past. Think $1,000 now. Artex seems to be the leading manufacturer. For instance, Artex is the only one listed in the 2006-2007ACS Catalog. Want to buy a stock with a great upside? Anyhow, what are others doing? I figure that it is false economy to buy a TSO-91C-a ELT, but Artex seems to be the only other choice. Has anyone else looked into this? It appears that it will affect all flying aircraft as far as I can tell. Jeff Davidson CH 601 HD/Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:30 AM PST US From: VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Trim your posts.....! Like Scott said....... <>>>> Please! Dave ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:39 AM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New ELTs For elt's we still use and buy the Ameriking one for $200. You won't loose as much when the new ones come into effect and the Ameriking is a good unit. David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-224-4485 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: Zenith-List: New ELTs Listers, In finishing up my panel, I've been looking at ELTs. While they are not required during flight testing, I think that that is the time I'd like to have one that works well. Far 91.207 requires the ELT. In 1995 the TSO was updated to become TSO-C91C-A. This updated TSO was actually for a newly designed device. Both transmitted on 121.5 and 243. These ELTs will become unsupported in less than two years on 1 February 2009. The new TSO is TSO-C126. These may transmit on multiple frequencies, but 406 mhz is included. ELTs that are being sold now under both current TSOs. The rub seems to be that all the TSO-91C, without or without the "a", will become useless in 2009 since rescue agencies will ignore it after that date. Since I'm buying new and not replacing an old ELT, it only makes sense to buy the newer ELT. The rub is that the new ones are more complicated to install and cost more. The $200 ELT is a thing of the past. Think $1,000 now. Artex seems to be the leading manufacturer. For instance, Artex is the only one listed in the 2006-2007ACS Catalog. Want to buy a stock with a great upside? Anyhow, what are others doing? I figure that it is false economy to buy a TSO-91C-a ELT, but Artex seems to be the only other choice. Has anyone else looked into this? It appears that it will affect all flying aircraft as far as I can tell. Jeff Davidson CH 601 HD/Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:15 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Post size Scott- Automatically trimming your posts in some cases is counterproductive. The string you're referring to produced some damned important information, but you'd never know it if you were just reading the digest. I'm probably the reason for your complaint. Mea culpa. Here are my suggestions and the way I'll post effective immediately: 1. Subject lines have to be more specific. I was frustrated and had as a subject line, "Aaargh". Fine while you're discussing a problem real-time, but worthless when researching the archives. 2. The string in many cases should remain intact until a problem is resolved so all listers can understand a problem and offer their input. At the point of problem resolution, "Do not archive" should be added to the post. It should be the responsibility of the original poster to summarize the string and place a concise post for the archives. 3. Scott, I agree with you 100%, but there's a conflict between what shows up on the digest and what's going on real time. . I killed the last string by adding "Do not archive". Then I realized that the answer to my final question, motor mount bolt size, never made it into the archives. What I'm going to do is add a post for the archives with a specific subject line. No one need respond to it. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Laughlin" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Harbor Freight Firewall Bolt Corvair Trimming > > PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS BEFORE RE-POSTING. > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:09 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair motor mount bolt sizes All- Per forthcoming 601 installation manual, 601motor mount/firewall attachment hardware requirements: 4- AN6-23A 4- AN363-624 4- AN960-616 Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:43 AM PST US From: "george may" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New ELTs Jeff-- I went with the existing $180 dollar ELT. Two years out of technology change will probably bring other changes and hopefully a price decrease in the 406Mhz unit. George May 601Xl 912s---65 hours _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:08 AM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New ELTs I bought a used ELT on Ebay for about $60. It's the ACK (?) that uses regular alkaline "D" cells for power. If I have to replace it in a couple of years I won't loose much$$$, and hopefully the prices will come down by then as supply ramps up Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff " Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: Zenith-List: New ELTs > Listers, > > In finishing up my panel, I've been looking at ELTs. While > they > are not required during flight testing, I think that that is the time I'd > like to have one that works well. Far 91.207 requires the ELT. In 1995 > the > TSO was updated to become TSO-C91C-A. This updated TSO was actually for a > newly designed device. Both transmitted on 121.5 and 243. These ELTs > will > become unsupported in less than two years on 1 February 2009. The new TSO > is TSO-C126. These may transmit on multiple frequencies, but 406 mhz is > included. ELTs that are being sold now under both current TSOs. The rub > seems to be that all the TSO-91C, without or without the "a", will become > useless in 2009 since rescue agencies will ignore it after that date. > Since > I'm buying new and not replacing an old ELT, it only makes sense to buy > the > newer ELT. The rub is that the new ones are more complicated to install > and > cost more. The $200 ELT is a thing of the past. Think $1,000 now. Artex > seems to be the leading manufacturer. For instance, Artex is the only one > listed in the 2006-2007ACS Catalog. Want to buy a stock with a great > upside? Anyhow, what are others doing? I figure that it is false economy > to buy a TSO-91C-a ELT, but Artex seems to be the only other choice. Has > anyone else looked into this? It appears that it will affect all flying > aircraft as far as I can tell. > > Jeff Davidson > > CH 601 HD/Jabiru 3300 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9:36 PM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:33 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: HD/DDS 6L3-4 Bungee pin Beware- Plans call for a 5/8" bungee mount pin, kit part mics .627. Construction manual says to drill 6F10-5 and 6F9-4 for a 3/4" pin. Mic kit supplied pin before proceeding. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:37 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Post size Oh, do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:03 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Post size > > Scott- > Automatically trimming your posts in some cases is counterproductive. > The string you're referring to produced some damned important information, > but you'd never know it if you were just reading the digest. I'm probably > the reason for your complaint. Mea culpa. Here are my suggestions and the > way I'll post effective immediately: > 1. Subject lines have to be more specific. I was frustrated and had as > a subject line, "Aaargh". Fine while you're discussing a problem > real-time, but worthless when researching the archives. > 2. The string in many cases should remain intact until a problem is > resolved so all listers can understand a problem and offer their input. At > the point of problem resolution, "Do not archive" should be added to the > post. It should be the responsibility of the original poster to summarize > the string and place a concise post for the archives. > 3. Scott, I agree with you 100%, but there's a conflict between what > shows up on the digest and what's going on real time. . > I killed the last string by adding "Do not archive". Then I realized > that the answer to my final question, motor mount bolt size, never made it > into the archives. What I'm going to do is add a post for the archives > with a specific subject line. No one need respond to it. > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuse/Corvair > Townville, Pa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Laughlin" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:28 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: Harbor Freight Firewall Bolt Corvair Trimming > > >> >> PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS BEFORE RE-POSTING. >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:11 AM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder light fairing fit I have fitted the supplied fiberglass fairing for the rudder nav light but it is so poorly made that the surface where the aluminum mounting bracket sits is not flat (about 1/8" height difference on the mold line where the two halves are joined). Also and likely more importantly, the edges of the fairing curl up away from the rudder skin when it is clecoed in place. How do you get the fairing to lay flush with the rudder skin? I have attached a small photo in case my description above is not clear. Any help with these two issue would be appreciated! Man I hate fiberglass! My hands are itchy. Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:15 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New ELTs Well, I sprang for the Artex 406 MHz unit. I find it no harder to install than a older unit. Bolt the mount down, mount the antenna and string some coax between them. One of the nice things about the Artex is that its single antenna serves for 121.5, 243 and 406 MHz. Why buy the more expensive unit now? Because I view having an ELT as an advantage, not a painful legal requirement. The new 406 MHz units locate you within a mile (compared to 10-12 miles for old units). The newer network detects a signal within 5 minutes (45 minutes max on the old). And the ELT has an electronic serial number in it that is broadcast. The serial number is in a registry with your name, tail number and phone numbers in it. So when an alert is received Search and Rescue tries to contact you. This reduces the impact of false alarms. The down-side of Artex's entry-level 406 MHz unit is that it doesn't contain (or connect to) a GPS. The new satellite network supports ELTs which encode their coordinates in the transmission. So a GPS-aware ELT tells the searchers where you are within feet. If I start flying a lot cross country I'll consider carrying a personal locator beacon (basically a pocket ELT with a GPS). There is a good article on 406 MHZ ELTs and a review of the Artex box at www.aviationconsumer.com. But you will have to subscribe. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:19 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder light fairing fit Hi Paul, I haven't worked on your specific problem but in general, if a composite part (fiberglass, plexiglas, Lexan, etc.) is not fitting properly and passively, heat the #%!*%!!# with a paintstripper heat gun. Start at lower temperature and work on it patiently so that you reshape the part using the lowest temperature that will soften it enough to overcome its memory. Let me stress that part about low heat / long heat up time. If you get impatient and ramp up the temp too much to get a quick response, you may screw up the part. Once the part is warm enough to lose its shape memory, bend it just past where you want it to stay and maintain that position while it cools. It takes time, patience, and there is a learning curve, but it will work. Good luck. Hope that helps, Dred ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Riedlinger To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:39 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder light fairing fit I have fitted the supplied fiberglass fairing for the rudder nav light but it is so poorly made that the surface where the aluminum mounting bracket sits is not flat (about 1/8" height difference on the mold line where the two halves are joined). Also and likely more importantly, the edges of the fairing curl up away from the rudder skin when it is clecoed in place. How do you get the fairing to lay flush with the rudder skin? ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:37 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder light fairing fit Well Paul, your fiberglass fairing looks better than mine! I'm just about to install it too. For mine, I will heat it up and try to get a little better shape out of the fiberglass. The fit as it came really is not acceptable. It is too late for me, but if this fairing is installed as the rudder is built, the fairing can be installed with the fiberglass flange on the inside giving a much cleaner installation. Jeff Davidson _____ I have fitted the supplied fiberglass fairing for the rudder nav light but it is so poorly made that the surface where the aluminum mounting bracket sits is not flat (about 1/8" height difference on the mold line where the two halves are joined). Also and likely more importantly, the edges of the fairing curl up away from the rudder skin when it is clecoed in place. How do you get the fairing to lay flush with the rudder skin? I ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:36 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New ELTs Craig, I agree. There is no question but that the new ELT is much better. My point though, is that the date is fast approaching so buying something now to do the job in the interim has less value as the months go by. A year from now the old ELTs will be as worthless as used DMEs. And every airplane and airplane owner will be affected. Jeff D Well, I sprang for the Artex 406 MHz unit. I find it no harder to install than a older unit. Bolt the mount down, mount the antenna and string some coax between them. One of the nice things about the Artex is that its single antenna serves for 121.5, 243 and 406 MHz. Why buy the more expensive unit now? Because I view having an ELT as an advantage, not a painful legal requirement. The new 406 MHz units locate you within a mile (compared to 10-12 miles for old units). The newer network detects a signal within 5 minutes (45 minutes max on the old). And the ELT has an electronic serial number in it that is broadcast. The serial number is in a registry with your name, tail number and phone numbers in it. So when an alert is received Search and Rescue tries to contact you. This reduces the impact of false alarms. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:48 PM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder light fairing fit Jeff: Good idea, but too late for me I think. The one side is still open by a few rivets (per Canadian inspection reg's). I am going to try using a heat gun later tonight to see if that works. Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Sent: April-15-07 4:23 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder light fairing fit Well Paul, your fiberglass fairing looks better than mine! I'm just about to install it too. For mine, I will heat it up and try to get a little better shape out of the fiberglass. The fit as it came really is not acceptable. It is too late for me, but if this fairing is installed as the rudder is built, the fairing can be installed with the fiberglass flange on the inside giving a much cleaner installation. Jeff Davidson _____ I have fitted the supplied fiberglass fairing for the rudder nav light but it is so poorly made that the surface where the aluminum mounting bracket sits is not flat (about 1/8" height difference on the mold line where the two halves are joined). Also and likely more importantly, the edges of the fairing curl up away from the rudder skin when it is clecoed in place. How do you get the fairing to lay flush with the rudder skin? I ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:19 PM PST US From: "mudbuginc@netzero.com" Subject: Zenith-List: Dave's brake Dave, or anyone else that has built this brake: Do you find that the brake, being attached to your work table, gets in t he way when trying to use the table for other purposes? Would it be better to build a separate table for the brake if you had th e room?

Dave, or anyone else that has built this brake:

Do you find that the brake, being attached to your work table, gets i n the way when trying to use the table for other purposes?
Would it b e better to build a separate table for the brake if you had the room?
________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:33 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Dave's brake From: "TxDave" When I need it out of the way, I just take the top plate off, leaving the rest of the brake attached to the table. I was able to build a wing on my table with the brake still in place. I didn't have room for a separate table. If you intend to build my brake make sure to download the latest version of the plans from my website. I've included some tips for difficult bending situations. Feel free to email me if I you run into any problems. Dave Clay 601XL from plans http://www.daves601xl.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=107133#107133 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_039_112.jpg ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit From: "TxDave" Hey Paul, Dred's advice works well. I used the same technique on my fiberglass wingtip. I had to adjust the flanges for a good fit with the wing skin. I didn't have access to a paint stripper heat gun, so I borrowed my wife's blow dryer. It worked just fine. She never knew. Dave Clay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=107137#107137 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:23 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: HF Pnuematic Riveter All- My HF riveter doesn't want to grab the rivet shank anymore. Any quick fix, or do I get another one? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:36 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder light fairing fit On Apr 15, 2007, at 4:22 PM, Jeff wrote: > It is too late for me, but if this fairing is installed as the > rudder is built, the fairing can be installed with the fiberglass > flange on the inside giving a much cleaner installation. > > That's what I did with mine, looks great. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:42 PM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dave's brake I did and it works great!! I built another table with wheels so I can move it around. David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-224-4485 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: mudbuginc@netzero.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Dave's brake Dave, or anyone else that has built this brake: Do you find that the brake, being attached to your work table, gets in the way when trying to use the table for other purposes? Would it be better to build a separate table for the brake if you had the room? ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:00 PM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit Thanks Dave. Now that the Nascar race is over, I am headed back to the garage... and yes, before you ask, I am likely the only Nascar fan in Toronto! My excuse is I lived in NC for 11 years and caught the bug. Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com www.mykitlog.com/paulried/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TxDave Sent: April-15-07 5:34 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 Rudder light fairing fit Hey Paul, Dred's advice works well. I used the same technique on my fiberglass wingtip. I had to adjust the flanges for a good fit with the wing skin. I didn't have access to a paint stripper heat gun, so I borrowed my wife's blow dryer. It worked just fine. She never knew. Dave Clay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=107137#107137 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:59 PM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HF Pneumatic Riveter I had the same issue this morning. It was ceased up. I put a few drops of Marvel Mystery oil in the nose (after removing the nose piece) and cycled about 2 dozen times and all was well. I have the older "larger" HF riveter. It has worked well for 2 planes for me so far! Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: April-15-07 5:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: HF Pnuematic Riveter All- My HF riveter doesn't want to grab the rivet shank anymore. Any quick fix, or do I get another one? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:29 PM PST US From: "george may" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HF Pnuematic Riveter " My HF riveter doesn't want to grab the rivet shank anymore." Bill- If you have not oiled it, it will bind up. Usually a couple drops of oil in the air hole will loosen things up. If this doesn't do it, you will need to disassemble it and oil it. You should not have to replace it. George May 601XL 912s--65 hours _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as $771/month* https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:19 PM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dave's brake I put my brake on two arms that hang from the ceiling joists. Two braces keep it steady if it's going to be used for more than a few parts. When not in use I strap it up and out of the way. Before this it was on a separate table and always in the way if space is premium.do not archive Aaron ----- Do you find that the brake, being attached to your work table, gets in the way when trying to use the table for other purposes? Would it be better to build a separate table for the brake if you had the room? ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:38 PM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: Zenith-List: Build website Just in case anyone is interested, I am keeping track of my build online at www.mykitlog.com/paulried/ I am really happy that Matt (host of this list) has taken over the Kitlog program. He has already made a number of big improvements. Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:59 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder light fairing fit I have seen this come by several times and this is just a thought: The tail is not mass balanced but the plane flies slowly so the idea of flutter is not very alarming. Notching the rudder trailing edge to achieve a cosmetic effect is not something to do lightly as any "loosening" of the control surface will reduce whatever flutter margin there is to some degree. A nicely faired external fitting is also quite possible. Jeff wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Well Paul, your fiberglass fairing looks better than mine! I'm just about to install it too. For mine, I will heat it up and try to get a little better shape out of the fiberglass. The fit as it came really is not acceptable. It is too late for me, but if this fairing is installed as the rudder is built, the fairing can be installed with the fiberglass flange on the inside giving a much cleaner installation. Jeff Davidson --------------------------------- I have fitted the supplied fiberglass fairing for the rudder nav light but it is so poorly made that the surface where the aluminum mounting bracket sits is not flat (about 1/8" height difference on the mold line where the two halves are joined). Also and likely more importantly, the edges of the fairing curl up away from the rudder skin when it is clecoed in place. How do you get the fairing to lay flush with the rudder skin? I Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:32 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dave's brake I find little or no interference at all. See attachment for an easy rack for the top piece. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mudbuginc@netzero.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:11 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Dave's brake Dave, or anyone else that has built this brake: Do you find that the brake, being attached to your work table, gets in the way when trying to use the table for other purposes? Would it be better to build a separate table for the brake if you had the room? ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:28 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HF Pnuematic Riveter Same thing happened to mine.took it apart, cleaned and oiled it.life's good (or, as they say in the UK, Bob's your uncle). Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: HF Pnuematic Riveter All- My HF riveter doesn't want to grab the rivet shank anymore. Any quick fix, or do I get another one? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:02 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Build website From: "TxDave" Looks like you're doing great work, Paul. Thanks for sharing with the group. I'll be watching your progress. do not archive Dave Clay Temple, TX http://www.daves601xl.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=107175#107175 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:33 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder light fairing fit regarding the rudder light fairng, alittle Superfill will do the trick. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Paul Riedlinger >Sent: Apr 15, 2007 2:39 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder light fairing fit > >I have fitted the supplied fiberglass fairing for the rudder nav light but >it is so poorly made that the surface where the aluminum mounting bracket >sits is not flat (about 1/8" height difference on the mold line where the >two halves are joined). Also and likely more importantly, the edges of the >fairing curl up away from the rudder skin when it is clecoed in place. How >do you get the fairing to lay flush with the rudder skin? > >I have attached a small photo in case my description above is not clear. > >Any help with these two issue would be appreciated! Man I hate fiberglass! >My hands are itchy. > > >Paul Riedlinger >paulried@rogers.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.