---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/19/07: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:11 AM - Have a better flap handle for CH701? (Les Goldner) 2. 12:46 AM - Re: Items for sale (n282rs@satx.rr.com) 3. 09:15 AM - Re: Spray foam insulation ... (Bima, Martin) 4. 09:59 AM - Re: LRI probes (Ron Lalonde) 5. 12:23 PM - Re: LRI probes (John Bolding) 6. 12:32 PM - Fw: LRI probes (John Bolding) 7. 12:39 PM - Running electrical cables (Dr. Andrew Elliott) 8. 01:03 PM - Re: Running electrical cables (Bryan Martin) 9. 01:25 PM - Re: Running electrical cables (VideoFlyer@aol.com) 10. 01:34 PM - Cloverdale (Dan Lykowski) 11. 01:50 PM - Re: Running electrical cables () 12. 02:33 PM - Re: Running electrical cables (Gig Giacona) 13. 04:09 PM - Re: 6.4mm Reamer? (Stephen R. Look) 14. 05:02 PM - Re: Running electrical cables (Jaybannist@cs.com) 15. 06:12 PM - Re: Cloverdale (n787xl@aol.com) 16. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: Spray foam insulation ... (n787xl@aol.com) 17. 06:23 PM - Re: LRI probes (Gbrac80@aol.com) 18. 08:29 PM - Re: Cloverdale (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:31 AM PST US From: "Les Goldner" Subject: Zenith-List: Have a better flap handle for CH701? I am working on the forward cockpit of my CH701 kit and would like to find a better flap handle arrangement. Several years ago the Zenair news described an easier-to-use handle extension that had better mechanical advantage. The diagram for this handle from Z-news is attached. I have seen a newer versions that look better. If you have good pictures, construction drawings, or specs for similar handles, or builds them for others, please let me know. Rgds, Les ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Items for sale From: n282rs@satx.rr.com Most won't care if you list this stuff here, but it's real helpful if you include prices and your location. Randy Stout San Antonio TX S-N-F today! -----Original Message----- From: tjlhl To:Zenith-List@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Items for sale ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:15 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Spray foam insulation ... From: "Bima, Martin" Although it is impervious to gasoline (I looked it up in chemistry tables and performed experiments in the shop over 6 and 12 months), the expanding foam does run away a bit when it expands. You can buy the minimal expanding stuff, but it still expands. I have abandoned the idea in favour of close-cell foam pipe insulation (for 3/4" copper tubing - about 2" OD). This has a little bit of give when installed, but most importantly, can be easily removed in case of a tank leak. The spray foam sticks and would have to be chopped out. Martin Bima 701 STOLVAIR ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:14 AM PST US From: "Ron Lalonde" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI probes Hi John Money order was sent out this morning. Sometimes it takes a few days when coming from Canada, but it IS on the way. Thanks Ron _________________________________________________________________ Get the Kung Fu Bunny Theme pack free! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:12 PM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI probes No rush, yours is in the box, thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Lalonde To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI probes Hi John Money order was sent out this morning. Sometimes it takes a few days when coming from Canada, but it IS on the way. Thanks Ron _________________________________________________________________ Get the Kung Fu Bunny Theme pack free! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:32 PM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Fw: Zenith-List: LRI probes Sorry list , thought I was sending directly to Ron, GUYS , PLEASE email me directly regarding the probes, NOT thru the list. Thanks John jnbolding1 "at" teleshare "dot" net ----- Original Message ----- From: John Bolding Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI probes No rush, yours is in the box, thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Lalonde To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI probes Hi John Money order was sent out this morning. Sometimes it takes a few days when coming from Canada, but it IS on the way. Thanks Ron _________________________________________________________________ Get the Kung Fu Bunny Theme pack free! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:11 PM PST US From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" Subject: Zenith-List: Running electrical cables Gang: I am approaching (slowly) the point where I need consider where and how I will run the electrical connections from the panel back on my 601XL. I am looking for some comments from you all that have passed this point. It seems that in my dual-stick plane, there are three pathways immediately obvious: 1. under left canopy rail 2. under right canopy rail 3. through control tunnel 3a. up top on the sides out of the way of the cables 3b. down low though the spar hole out of the way of the cables I am thinking that the wiring to the wings, for lights and pitot heat, would be rightly run under the respective canopy rails, then down between the fuselage side and the interior panel, then out through the fuselage side in the wing root area. Similarly, the wiring for the comm antenna, transponder antenna, ELT control wires (if installed) and beacon, plus the autopilot would be good candidates for the 3a. route (which is not really available in center-stick planes). This would also be the location of the wires from the trim on the stick to the trim relays behind the seat, and for the coaxes for the remote gyro (mounted under the console cover) and remote compass (mounted under the baggage floor) for my EFIS. The flap control wires could also run through the 3a. path if the switch is on the console, or alternately under the left rail if the switch is on the panel. Any comments about this routing plan? Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (reserved) 601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:14 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Running electrical cables I ran the GPS and VOR antenna cables under one canopy rail and the Com 1 antenna under the other because those antennas are all mounted up high in the rear fuselage. I didn't want to run the transmitter cable real close to the two receiver cables for any large distance, which is why I ran them on opposite sides. I installed half inch poly tubing under the canopy rails to use as cable ways. I ran pretty much every thing else through the tunnel on either side of and at the same level as the torque tube (3c). With the center stick, that puts them out of the way of any moving parts. On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Dr. Andrew Elliott wrote: > Gang: > > I am approaching (slowly) the point where I need consider where and > how I will run the electrical connections from the panel back on my > 601XL. I am looking for some comments from you all that have > passed this point. > > It seems that in my dual-stick plane, there are three pathways > immediately obvious: > > 1. under left canopy rail > 2. under right canopy rail > 3. through control tunnel > 3a. up top on the sides out of the way of the cables > 3b. down low though the spar hole out of the way of the cables > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:47 PM PST US From: VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Running electrical cables I enclosed the channel that runs underneath the cabin from the front nose wheel to the spring gear with a slightly wider piece of channel. A couple of holes in the floor with heavy duty rubber grommets allowed me to run all my cables underneath the spar in the newly enclosed channel. They re-enter the plane behind the spar. I ran all of my wiring...plus the pitot and static tubes...plus tubes for the LRI ....with plenty of room. Keeps thing out of the way by your feet and inside the cabin. I'll send a pic if you're interested. Dave 601XL/Corvair ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:23 PM PST US From: Dan Lykowski Subject: Zenith-List:Cloverdale Is there anyone who is planning on going to the Cloverdale regional fly-in on May 5th? Dan Lykowski __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:54 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Running electrical cables A very cool idea Dave. Thanks for the insight. Dred ---- VideoFlyer@aol.com wrote: > I enclosed the channel that runs underneath the cabin from the front nose > wheel to the spring gear with a slightly wider piece of channel. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:03 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Running electrical cables From: "Gig Giacona" I had thought of doing the exact same thing. Do you have any photos? VideoFlyer(at)aol.com wrote: > I enclosed the channel that runs underneath the cabin from the front nose wheel to the spring gear with a slightly wider piece of channel. A couple of holes in the floor with heavy duty rubber grommets allowed me to run all my cables underneath the spar in the newly enclosed channel. They re-enter the plane behind the spar. I ran all of my wiring...plus the pitot and static tubes...plus tubes for the LRI ....with plenty of room. Keeps thing out of the way by your feet and inside the cabin. I'll send a pic if you're interested. > > > Dave > 601XL/Corvair > > > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=107965#107965 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:56 PM PST US From: "Stephen R. Look" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6.4mm Reamer? The plot thickens! I'm glad I didn't spend money to buy a reamer. The bell crank hole is already at 6.4mm. Stopped by my buddy's house tonight to run the reamer through the two parts and it passed right through! Measured with my cheap Chinese mic at .252". So I came back home and measured my 1/4" bushings... .252". I guess I'll spin the bushings over a file or something and knock a few .001s off of them. Steve Steve Look Monticello, IL 601XL, Corvair "Dogs have owners, Cats have staff" ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:10 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Running electrical cables Don't forget that you will probably have a big, fat battery cable to run as well as pitot & static tubing. Jay in Dallas Do not archive "Dr. Andrew Elliott" wrote: >Gang: > >I am approaching (slowly) the point where I need consider where and how I will run the electrical connections from the panel back on my 601XL. I am looking for some comments from you all that have passed this point. > >It seems that in my dual-stick plane, there are three pathways immediately obvious: > >1. under left canopy rail >2. under right canopy rail >3. through control tunnel > 3a. up top on the sides out of the way of the cables > 3b. down low though the spar hole out of the way of the cables > >I am thinking that the wiring to the wings, for lights and pitot heat, would be rightly run under the respective canopy rails, then down between the fuselage side and the interior panel, then out through the fuselage side in the wing root area. > >Similarly, the wiring for the comm antenna, transponder antenna, ELT control wires (if installed) and beacon, plus the autopilot would be good candidates for the 3a. route (which is not really available in center-stick planes). This would also be the location of the wires from the trim on the stick to the trim relays behind the seat, and for the coaxes for the remote gyro (mounted under the console cover) and remote compass (mounted under the baggage floor) for my EFIS. > >The flap control wires could also run through the 3a. path if the switch is on the console, or alternately under the left rail if the switch is on the panel. > > >Any comments about this routing plan? > >Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ >N601GE (reserved) >601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List:Cloverdale From: n787xl@aol.com Dan I plan to go there. Michael Heintz works out of there. Son of designer. A very small operation out of the local airport. I got my kit from there. Probably not worth a 300 mile trip however. James Schultz -----Original Message----- From: engineerguy3737@yahoo.com To: Zenith-List@matronics.com Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Zenith-List:Cloverdale Is there anyone who is planning on going to the Cloverdale regional fly-in on May 5th? Dan Lykowski __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Spray foam insulation ... From: n787xl@aol.com I would advise not to use foam. The expansion continues when the foam is nearly solid. I am quite sure it would partially colapse the tank and bulge the wing skin. I have used it in other applications and was suprised to see expansion hours later. James Schultz 601xl 65% 3300jab no archive -----Original Message----- From: mbima@hydro.mb.ca To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 9:11 AM Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Spray foam insulation ... Although it is impervious to gasoline (I looked it up in chemistry tables and performed experiments in the shop over 6 and 12 months), the expanding foam does run away a bit when it expands. You can buy the minimal expanding stuff, but it still expands. I have abandoned the idea in favour of close-cell foam pipe insulation (for 3/4" copper tubing - about 2" OD). This has a little bit of give when installed, but most importantly, can be easily removed in case of a tank leak. The spray foam sticks and would have to be chopped out. Martin Bima 701 STOLVAIR ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:29 PM PST US From: Gbrac80@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI probes John, Thanks. Check is in the mail ....... really! Rgds, Mike. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:25 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List:Cloverdale One nice add-on to visiting QSP in Cloverdale is stopping at Dragonfly Aviation in Santa Rosa and getting some flight time in their 601XL. It wouldn't surprise me if Dragonfly was at the open house with their plane. They were for the Jabiru FWF class last fall. Talk to Bob Archibald of Dragonfly before hand and and you may be able to fly out of Cloverdale. 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