Zenith-List Digest Archive

Mon 04/23/07


Total Messages Posted: 26



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     1. 01:21 AM - A You Tube video with our 701 flying...  (Gary Gower)
     2. 03:07 AM - Re: Re:Re:XL main Spring gear placement/REVERSEAL  (David Downey)
     3. 03:26 AM - Re:XL main Spring gear placement/REVERSEAL  (John Bolding)
     4. 04:52 AM - Re: Re:Re:XL main Spring gear placement/REVERSEAL  (Gary Ray)
     5. 05:42 AM - Spring gear placement/ REVERSEAL over-simplified ? (Big Gee)
     6. 05:58 AM - :XL Spring gear placement/REVERSEAL  (Robin Bellach)
     7. 05:59 AM - email (alex trent)
     8. 06:00 AM - Re: Two piece cowl for the 601 with corvair (Southern Reflections)
     9. 06:54 AM - Spring gear placement/ REVERSEAL over-simplified ? (Ken Lilja)
    10. 09:07 AM - Load Range for tires  (Gord)
    11. 09:39 AM - Re: Re:XL main Spring gear placement/REVERSEAL  (David Downey)
    12. 09:42 AM - cg range and flap split? (David Downey)
    13. 09:55 AM - Re: cg range and flap split? (Gig Giacona)
    14. 10:33 AM - Re: Spring gear placement/ REVERSEAL over-simplified ? ()
    15. 10:43 AM - Re: Running electrical cables (T. Graziano)
    16. 12:26 PM - Re: Running electrical cables (Gig Giacona)
    17. 12:45 PM - Re: Re: cg range and flap split? (David Downey)
    18. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Running electrical cables ()
    19. 03:15 PM - Fw: Re: Re: cg range and flap split? (David Downey)
    20. 03:45 PM - Fw: CorvAircraft> I am thinking about a partnership. (Michael French)
    21. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: Running electrical cables (Ken Lilja)
    22. 05:52 PM - Partnership (Michael French)
    23. 06:19 PM - Re: Sun & Fun 07 (Paul Riedlinger)
    24. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: Running electrical cables (Edward Moody II)
    25. 08:18 PM - Re: Compass Errors (Jim Fosse)
    26. 08:56 PM - stick grips (Rosestar)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:21:35 AM PST US
    From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: A You Tube video with our 701 flying...
    Hello Friends, Just a short note to let you know that I found tonight a short video from our last year Aniversary Fly inn (author Unknown)... Our 701 made several demo flights that day. We have flying visits from clubs all over Mexico. Like the red and white Koala ultralight, he made a one leg trip of about 2 hours, over mountains to visit us, powered by a Rotax 503. his airport is at 6,200 ft ASL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X62ZMaU_h_Q&mode=related&search Hope you enjoy. Saludos Gary Gower Flying from Chapala, Mexico. 701 912S --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.


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    Time: 03:07:37 AM PST US
    From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re:Re:XL main Spring gear placement/REVERSEAL
    Oh My! I was assuming that everyone was measuring and setting these dimensions correctly on the W&B sheet. Has anyone actually asked Zenith/CH what the absolute answer is? As Bob pointed out that is a fairly large consequence - especially if it results in masking of a rearward CG condition. I will try and talk to Zenith and see what they say. MaxNr@aol.com wrote: Flat side fwd or aft? Another step to complete after reversing the spring and before weighing the aircraft is to actually measure the distance from the datum to where ever the axle winds up. The sample W&B worksheet that ZAC provides would be in error if the MLG axle is moved plus or minus four inches. Four inches error in computing the empty CG would be huge on a plane this small. Bob from Pace,FL XL/Lyc Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.


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    Time: 03:26:07 AM PST US
    From: "John Bolding" <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
    Subject: Re:XL main Spring gear placement/REVERSEAL
    Another avenue that might be worthy of consideration is just moving the wheels and axels, leaving the gear leg alone, I'm only familiar with doing this on a T18 with standard aircraft axels, not the Matco 3/4" so you're on your own there. Thorp came up with the mod. for the same reasons we're talking about, to place more/less weight on the tailwheel, can't remember for sure (been 20+ yrs ago) but I think that the tail was getting light due to most folks putting on heavier engines. Neighbor made the mod on his, all it amounted to was a couple of 1/2" (I think) thick spacers that were offset drilled. LOT less hassle. Easy to tune to just how much more/less weight you want to move around also. If anyone is interested I'll get next door neighbor to dig up the print. LOW&SLOW John Bolding ----- Original Message ----- From: MaxNr@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:07 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Re:XL main Spring gear placement/REVERSEAL Flat side fwd or aft? Another step to complete after reversing the spring and before weighing the aircraft is to actually measure the distance from the datum to where ever the axle winds up. The sample W&B worksheet that ZAC provides would be in error if the MLG axle is moved plus or minus four inches. Four inches error in computing the empty CG would be huge on a plane this small. Bob from Pace,FL XL/Lyc


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    Time: 04:52:14 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Ray" <davgray@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re:Re:XL main Spring gear placement/REVERSEAL
    There is no absolute answer that applies to all aircraft except that the CG must fall within 20-30% MAC for all flights. When you do the W&B for your aircraft, it is necessary to take an actual measurement with a plum bob from the datum to each axle. Combined with the weights measured at each wheel when the aircraft is perfectly level and empty, you will be able to calculate the CG. You can't use measurements from another aircraft. The weights and arms will be different for each aircraft but the calculations still show the CG for your aircraft. Gary Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: David Downey To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:05 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:Re:XL main Spring gear placement/REVERSEAL Oh My! I was assuming that everyone was measuring and setting these dimensions correctly on the W&B sheet. Has anyone actually asked Zenith/CH what the absolute answer is? As Bob pointed out that is a fairly large consequence - especially if it results in masking of a rearward CG condition. I will try and talk to Zenith and see what they say. MaxNr@aol.com wrote: Flat side fwd or aft? Another step to complete after reversing the spring and before weighing the aircraft is to actually measure the distance from the datum to where ever the axle winds up. The sample W&B worksheet that ZAC provides would be in error if the MLG axle is moved plus or minus four inches. Four inches error in computing the empty CG would be huge on a plane this small. Bob from Pace,FL XL/Lyc Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 6:43 PM


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    Time: 05:42:29 AM PST US
    From: Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Spring gear placement/ REVERSEAL over-simplified ?
    Robin, I do not think it is over-simplification---(but, each to his own). I am a plans-builder and built my gear. Making the notches was "no big deal". But, one has to be careful as a proper fit is very critical------------- having built and installed my gear, I would definately go through the reversal if my plane handeled like some folks describe. Fritz Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote: Am I the only one to whom removing and/or reversing the gear channel while ignoring the fitting problem of the notches makes no sense in this seeming over-simplification of gear reversal? ----- Original Message ----- From: T. Graziano To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 8:40 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Re: XL main Spring gear placement/ REVERSEAL Fritz, Actually all I would have to do is do is "dolly" the airplane after jacking it up, remove the brake line fairings, disconnect the brake lines, remove the gear channel and reverse it. Reinstall the brake lines and purge out the air, and fab new brake line fairings. I probably would have to replace the brake lines with longer ones though. I have considered doing it, but --- Having more fun flying. Tony Re: Re: XL main Spring gear placement/ REVERSEAL From: Big Gee (taffy0687@yahoo.com) Date: Sun Apr 22 - 12:27 PM Tony--- wouldn't it be "relatively easy" to reverse your gear ? If it is 6061 T 6 ? 1) remove gear, 2) weld notches closed, 3) REVERSE GEAR and make new notches, 4) reinstall gear, 5) extend brake lines (if needed). Fritz href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.


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    Time: 05:58:24 AM PST US
    From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
    Subject: :XL Spring gear placement/REVERSEAL
    A compromise one might consider to reduce the extreme fore-aft axle location is to use the narrower 4-1/2" wide Grove gear. In checking my not yet installed Grove gear I find that the axle placement reversal distance is only about 2-1/4". I'm hoping that the Grove gear, albeit more expensive but substantially lighter, will, with the flat side forward, prove to put the axles in good location. Has anyone using the Grove gear considered or designed an attachment method that would allow relatively easy adjustment of the gear fore 'n aft within the wider ZAC gear channel? Robin in AR 601XL Zen-Vair


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    Time: 05:59:28 AM PST US
    From: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
    Subject: email
    new adddress atrent8@cogeco.ca


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    Time: 06:00:53 AM PST US
    From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Two piece cowl for the 601 with corvair
    Fact is,that if your part does not fit into WW mold,it is in FACT your new part ,and that is all there is to that... Ask the boat builders... Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: afterfxllc@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Two piece cowl for the 601 with corvair William does not have a 2 piece cowling. And since I am making new molds from scratch to increase the radiuses I guess by your post you wont have a problem with that? And I always said I might rent them out and if you own the manual you have the right to use them don't you? -----Original Message----- From: hillsgun@nwinfo.net To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Two piece cowl for the 601 with corvair I don't think we are quick to jump on someone at all, or confusing anything. You uploaded pictures of a mold you made from a part you purchased from William and admitted to doing so. You also state that you intend to rent the mold, or sell the cowlings. No matter what you are now claiming the fact of the matter is that you have stollen Williams design, with the intent to profit from it. If you had decided to build a plug of your own design from scratch and market it as such there would have been no problem, but that is not the route you have taken.You are trying to pass off your illegal activities by saying you are offering improvements, such as 2 piece cowlings instead of 1 piece(William offers the 2 piece as has been stated by another poster), and improved airflow by increasing radius. You also state that you are trying to start a builder assist program. I assume that you are planning on making a profit in this endevor and wonder what other designs you are going to steal from William to help line your pockets? And do you plan on displaying the same honesty and integrity that you have shown to us in your dealings with potential customers? I for one think I will keep my money in my pocket. Dan. ----- Original Message ----- From: afterfxllc@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Two piece cowl for the 601 with corvair You guys are so quick to jump on someone you are confusing a nose bowl for a COWLING. -----Original Message----- From: LHusky@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Two piece cowl for the 601 with corvair I went to the FWF Corvair class held in Cloverdale, CA last fall and WW was there and had brought a 2 piece cowl to put on the plane we were working on. Looked like a very fine piece of work. WW has had these 2 piece cowls for some time now. Larry ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- See what's free at AOL.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Date: 4/21/2007 11:56 AM


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    Time: 06:54:40 AM PST US
    From: Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Spring gear placement/ REVERSEAL over-simplified ?
    *And what of the composite gear on the European aircraft? Will it be available to us? Is it the same gear offered by Aircraft Spruce? Anything to save some weight! BTW, on some Beech Bonanza series if I went up the step too quickly, the tail would try to hit the ground. Ken Lilja a generous size mechanic. *


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    Time: 09:07:44 AM PST US
    From: "Gord" <gord601@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Load Range for tires
    Can anyone comment on the preffered load range for CH601HD tires. I purchased a 4.80 from a local autostore, for the nosewheel. I noticed the load range was "B" and the tire on the plane is "C". I can't seem to find a "C" range tire locally. Is the B sufficient.


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    Time: 09:39:30 AM PST US
    From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re:XL main Spring gear placement/REVERSEAL
    I would be interested John. do not archive John Bolding <jnbolding1@teleshare.net> wrote: Another avenue that might be worthy of consideration is just moving the wheels and axels, leaving the gear leg alone, I'm only familiar with doing this on a T18 with standard aircraft axels, not the Matco 3/4" so you're on your own there. Thorp came up with the mod. for the same reasons we're talking about, to place more/less weight on the tailwheel, can't remember for sure (been 20+ yrs ago) but I think that the tail was getting light due to most folks putting on heavier engines. Neighbor made the mod on his, all it amounted to was a couple of 1/2" (I think) thick spacers that were offset drilled. LOT less hassle. Easy to tune to just how much more/less weight you want to move around also. If anyone is interested I'll get next door neighbor to dig up the print. LOW&SLOW John Bolding ----- Original Message ----- From: MaxNr@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:07 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Re:XL main Spring gear placement/REVERSEAL Flat side fwd or aft? Another step to complete after reversing the spring and before weighing the aircraft is to actually measure the distance from the datum to where ever the axle winds up. The sample W&B worksheet that ZAC provides would be in error if the MLG axle is moved plus or minus four inches. Four inches error in computing the empty CG would be huge on a plane this small. Bob from Pace,FL XL/Lyc Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.


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    Time: 09:42:09 AM PST US
    From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
    Subject: cg range and flap split?
    I mis-typed! I meant absolute CG limits for this aircraft. on another topic: Does anyone know if the 601XL was/has been tested for flap split? I understand the design as intended - just would like to know if there is enough roll authority to counter one up/one down flaps. Gary Ray <davgray@sbcglobal.net> wrote: There is no absolute answer that applies to all aircraft except that the CG must fall within 20-30% MAC for all flights. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.


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    Time: 09:55:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: cg range and flap split?
    From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
    I doubt it. A more likely failure mode would be a single flap that breaks lose and is only held up by air pressure. -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108670#108670


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    Time: 10:33:34 AM PST US
    From: <dredmoody@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Spring gear placement/ REVERSEAL over-simplified ?
    I was told by the factory folk in Missouri that later this year (no date projected yet) the composite gear seen on the manufactured LSA "buy it and fly it" 601XLs will be either part of the kit or an option to buy. I was told that it will be possible to retrofit to an existing 601XL as well. For more exct info, email the nice folks at Zenith and get the info directly from those in charge. Dred 601XL/Jabiru/#@%$*%!! canopy finally done ---- Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > *And what of the composite gear on the European aircraft? Will it be > available to us? Is it the same gear offered by Aircraft Spruce? > Anything to save some weight!


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    Time: 10:43:36 AM PST US
    From: "T. Graziano" <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: RE: Running electrical cables
    Craig, I thought I had some pics of the wires exiting under the canopy channels, but could not find them..What I did was at the exit points, I enclosed the wires/cables in split ribbed auto wire conduit and ran them up into the cargo area fuselage side (upper antenna/interior lights/ tail light/ elevator & aileron trim) or down into the area behind the seats (lower antenna, flaps, Xpndr antenna ), as required. The conduit provides chaff protection and the exit area is mostly hidden by the seat back upholstery. You may want to try it with only ribbed conduit to see what it looks like. Would not recommend adding a hole in the upright channel. Tony Graziano 234 hrs RE: Running electrical cables From: Craig Payne (craig@craigandjean.com) Date: Sun Apr 22 - 11:27 PM OK, so you run wires to the rear under the canopy rails. What do you do when you reach the rear of the cockpit and hit 6B5-6, the upright channel? Have others just drilled a hole it? And if you do that leaves you above the luggage shelf. Do you route the wires back or up from that point? Or do you route the wires from the rail down to pass through 6B6-5 below the shelf? Does anyone have any pictures? -- Craig


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    Time: 12:26:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Running electrical cables
    From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
    We drill holes in supporting structures all over the aircraft. I don't see how a properly drilled hole in the upright would be of any great threat to the structure of the plane. tonyplane(at)bellsouth.ne wrote: > > Would not recommend adding a hole in the upright channel. > > Tony Graziano > 234 hrs -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108701#108701


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    Time: 12:45:35 PM PST US
    From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: cg range and flap split?
    sorry guys - left over term from developmental aircraft in the certified world I guess. I did not mean the flap split physically - but that flap deployment if assymetrical like Gig is pointing out. I doubt it. A more likely failure mode would be a single flap that breaks lose and is only held up by air pressure. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108670#108670 Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.


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    Time: 12:48:19 PM PST US
    From: <dredmoody@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Running electrical cables
    I'm with you Gig. While Im not advocating turning the semi-monococque construction into the aluminum equivalent of Swiss cheese. I think a small number of properly located, drilled and deburred holes won't cause us an early demise. I'm leery about drilling holes in the center spar, but the top of the seat back upright is not likely to be a problem down the line. If the hole is located down the upright about 70 - 100 mm, the wiring could pass into the area under the baggage deck. If the desired wiring run is toward the middle top skin for an antenna, I would go the route of using the spiral loom protection and looping out from under the cockpit side rail and over the top angle of the seat back. Dred ---- Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> wrote: > > We drill holes in supporting structures all over the aircraft. I don't see how a properly drilled hole in the upright would be of any great threat to the structure of the plane. > > > tonyplane(at)bellsouth.ne wrote: > > > > Would not recommend adding a hole in the upright channel. > > > > Tony Graziano > > 234 hrs


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    Time: 03:15:33 PM PST US
    From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: cg range and flap split?
    came back clear with no content last posting...why? David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote: Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: cg range and flap split? sorry guys - left over term from developmental aircraft in the certified world I guess. I did not mean the flap split physically - but that flap deployment if assymetrical like Gig is pointing out. I doubt it. A more likely failure mode would be a single flap that breaks lose and is only held up by air pressure. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108670#108670 Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.


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    Time: 03:45:29 PM PST US
    From: Michael French <mfrench601@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Fwd: CorvAircraft> I am thinking about a partnership.


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    Time: 05:12:05 PM PST US
    From: Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Running electrical cables
    I hope everyone would consider buying or downloading a copy of AC 43.13 1B & 2A Acceptable Methods of Aircraft Repair ISBN 0-89100-306-1 by the FAA. It can be downloaded from the FAA (warning: huge files) http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library%5CrgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library%5CrgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/E533BB05389C90E486256A54006E47B2?OpenDocument This book is essentially an A&P course all by itself. It gives guidance for radio and wiring installation in addition to almost everything else. On a non-high stressed bulkhead, I would think that a well deburred hole that has a diameter of less than 1/4 of the web height should be OK. Keep it in the middle of the web. Of course, I could not find a reference for this in the 43.13......... Ken Lilja A&P Instructor, Aviation Institute of Maintenance Flange or cap ________ I I I I I I Web I I I I I _______I Flange or cap We had a Beech Duke come through our shop that someone had sunk a # 6 sheet metal screw through the upper spar cap. Beech told us to dye check it every 100 hours. Ken Lilja dredmoody@cox.net wrote: > > I'm with you Gig. While Im not advocating turning the semi-monococque construction into the aluminum equivalent of Swiss cheese. I think a small number of properly located, drilled and deburred holes won't cause us an early demise. I'm leery about drilling holes in the center spar, but the top of the seat back upright is not likely to be a problem down the line. If the hole is located down the upright about 70 - 100 mm, the wiring could pass into the area under the baggage deck. If the desired wiring run is toward the middle top skin for an antenna, I would go the route of using the spiral loom protection and looping out from under the cockpit side rail and over the top angle of the seat back. > > Dred


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    Time: 05:52:50 PM PST US
    From: Michael French <mfrench601@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Partnership
    Hi Folks, I have a completed Corvair 164 cubic inch aircraft conversion engine, built per William Wynne's manual. I also have an Ed Sterba wood prop and William's Zenith 601 motor mount. I have two sets of plans with serial numbers to build a CH601-HD or the XL model. Right now I am stalled out in the building process. I have all the metal for the tail section and have made the ribs for the horizontal stabilizer. The firewall forward package is complete and just sitting there waiting for a plane. Does anyone in the Seattle area have an airframe that needs an engine? Thanks, Michael French --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.


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    Time: 06:19:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sun & Fun 07
    From: Paul Riedlinger <paulried@rogers.com>
    How did the float premier go? On Sat, 2007-04-21 at 21:25 -0400, zodierocket@hsfx.ca wrote: > > I am still down here but I have updated the ch601.org website with more > photo's of the event. Attendence was 212 people > > Mark > > > > I've posted a few pictures from Sun & Fun 07, (mainly the Web Master's > > BBQ), on my web site. > > > > Enjoy... > > > > www.n701rr.com > > > > > > Rick > > Sharpsburg, GA. USA > > http://www.n701rr.com > > > > >


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    Time: 07:48:11 PM PST US
    From: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Running electrical cables
    Thanks Ken. That sounds like good advice to me. Dred Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Lilja To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:12 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Running electrical cables <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net> I hope everyone would consider buying or downloading a copy of AC 43.13 1B & 2A Acceptable Methods of Aircraft Repair ISBN 0-89100-306-1 by the FAA. It can be downloaded from the FAA (warning: huge files) http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library%5CrgAdvisoryCircular.n sf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library%5CrgAdvisoryCircular.n sf/0/E533BB05389C90E486256A54006E47B2?OpenDocument This book is essentially an A&P course all by itself. It gives guidance for radio and wiring installation in addition to almost everything else. On a non-high stressed bulkhead, I would think that a well deburred hole that has a diameter of less than 1/4 of the web height should be OK. Keep it in the middle of the web. Of course, I could not find a reference for this in the 43.13......... Ken Lilja A&P Instructor, Aviation Institute of Maintenance


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    Time: 08:18:30 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net>
    Subject: Re: Compass Errors
    I had the same problem mounting the vertical card compass on the glare shield. I removed it from the glare shield and moved it around in the cabin to see if there was a location where it would not be affected by magnetism. Strangely enough when I moved it upwards to the horizontal member of the cabin it seemed to work perfectly. So, I mounted it there and was able to calibrate it. I can't account for the way it worked. I had mounted the magnetic shield I bought with the compass so that should have taken care of the instruments. Whatever the cause, it works super good mounted on the horizontal and it is relatively easy to see, although not as easy as on the glare shield. Jim Fosse, N 329F.


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    Time: 08:56:21 PM PST US
    From: Rosestar <rosestar@sonic.net>
    Subject: stick grips
    Has anyone made their own stick grips? I have been "shopping" and many of the commercial brands seem expensive. Has anyone made some out of wood, aluminum, leather, or bicycle handlebar tape? I have flown Zodiacs with the Ray Allen G205 and the Ray Allen G3. The foams look to wear quickly and plastics get very sweaty on hot days. I am looking for an alternative. Any ideas? Brad DeMeo Zodiac XL N601BD




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