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1. 03:01 AM - 601 Corvair installation manual available soon (Brett Hanley)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: 601 Corvair installation manual available soon (William Dominguez)
3. 05:43 AM - 601 Corvair install manual (Robin Bellach)
4. 06:13 AM - Sun-N-Fun Wrap-Up (ZodieRocket)
5. 06:25 AM - Re: Painting...Painting... (Tommy Walker)
6. 06:32 AM - Re: CH620 (Gig Giacona)
7. 06:46 AM - Re: CH620 (ashontz)
8. 06:54 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun Wrap-Up (Jim Hoak)
9. 06:57 AM - Re: CH620 (Gig Giacona)
10. 06:58 AM - Re: Floats on CH701 (Avidmagnum)
11. 07:04 AM - Re: CH620 (ashontz)
12. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: CH620 (ZodieRocket)
13. 07:17 AM - Re: CH620 (ashontz)
14. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: CH620 (Bryan Martin)
15. 07:27 AM - Re: CH620 (ashontz)
16. 07:36 AM - Re: 601XL manual flaps? (ashontz)
17. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: CH620 (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
18. 08:02 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun Wrap-Up (Rick R)
19. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: 601XL manual flaps? (Rosestar)
20. 08:34 AM - Re: Gear Position vs Elevator authority (Tim Juhl)
21. 09:15 AM - WW Updates with post SnF info (Gig Giacona)
22. 09:39 AM - Re: Painting...Painting... (Roger Venables)
23. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: CH620 (Dino Bortolin)
24. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: Floats on CH701 (nyterminat@aol.com)
25. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: CH620 (nyterminat@aol.com)
26. 11:33 AM - Sun-N-Fun Wrap-Up try again? (Rick R)
27. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: CH620 ()
28. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: CH620 (Trainnut01@aol.com)
29. 11:47 AM - Re: CH620 (kkinney)
30. 12:16 PM - 601HD Wheel Fairings. ()
31. 12:32 PM - Corvair installation manual for 601XL (Brett Hanley)
32. 01:12 PM - Re: Floats on CH701 (Avidmagnum)
33. 01:30 PM - Re: Info on the Dynon (george may)
34. 01:42 PM - FLY IN FOR ZENITH (Juan Vega)
35. 01:56 PM - Re: FLY IN FOR ZENITH ()
36. 02:04 PM - Making stab removal easier? (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
37. 02:24 PM - Re:Info on the Dynon (RURUNY@aol.com)
38. 02:51 PM - Re: Making stab removal easier? (Craig Payne)
39. 03:22 PM - Re: FLY IN FOR ZENITH (rroberts)
40. 03:27 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun Wrap-Up (rroberts)
41. 06:57 PM - Re: FLY IN FOR ZENITH (Southern Reflections)
42. 07:09 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun Wrap-Up (Ron Lendon)
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| Subject: | 601 Corvair installation manual available soon |
I visited WW at Sun N Fun. He showed me the rough draft of the new 601 Corvair
installation manual. When I asked him when it would be ready he said "In a couple
of weeks". The book is a goldmine of information. There is nothing like
it for ANY other engine on the market. It is a system by system, part by part
layout of all components needed to complete the matrimony between the Corvair
and 601XL. I think it is a must have for anyone planning that installation.
Brett
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Corvair installation manual available soon |
I also had a chance to glance at the manual and I noticed that is full of hight
quality color pictures and diagrams. Looks very thorought.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com> wrote: I visited WW at Sun N Fun. He showed
me the rough draft of the new 601 Corvair installation manual. When I asked
him when it would be ready he said "In a couple of weeks". The book is a goldmine
of information. There is nothing like it for ANY other engine on the
market. It is a system by system, part by part layout of all components needed
to complete the matrimony between the Corvair and 601XL. I think it is
a must have for anyone planning that installation.
Brett
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| Subject: | 601 Corvair install manual |
Sounds expensive but worth it!
Do not archive.
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From: William Dominguez
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Corvair installation manual available
soon
I also had a chance to glance at the manual and I noticed that is full
of high quality color pictures and diagrams. Looks very thorough.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun Wrap-Up |
Hi Folks, Just a re-Cap of the BBQ at Sun-N-Fun. To date this was the
largest gathering of Zenith builders for a social event ever. I wish to
Thank all of you for attending.
I also wish to clarify a couple of issues, at the BBQ one gentleman
stated that I should remove the donation jar and look after my
customers. Please understand, this is in no way a Zenith or Company
sponsored event! Zenith and Can-Zac in no way donate any funds for this
BBQ, all I ask from the Zenith guys is that they show up and visit with
the builders in a social environment. All funds I donate come from my
pocket and never the books of Can-Zac. This event was started by a
Zenith builder for all Zenith owners and builders and I wish to keep it
that way.
I wish to THANK Jabiru USA, William Wynne, FlightCrafters and Quality
Sport Planes for their financial support. I also wish to Thank Cummins
Spinners for their donation of a custom made to order spinner with a
value of $350.00, also this year I grabbed a few shirts and hats from
the Zenith booth to supplement the raffle.
The GRAND prize winner of the Cummins Spinner was Bill Bodin, Bill is a
701 builder who had to make a quick decision as to what engine and prop
combination he was going to use for his plane. After a brief discussion,
Cummins Spinners is making Bill a new spinner for his Rotax 912 with a
warp drive 3 blade prop. Total prize value is about $350.00,
Congratulations Bill. Cummins Spinners has voiced their desire to
contribute again next year, with a success of this years raffle, you can
expect bigger and better things for next year.
The final tally of all donations brought the BBQ $100.00 to the green.
However, Rick Roberts ran out and bought two new BBQ's just for the
event, the two bbq's trailer and tables we have used for the last two
years were no longer available to us. For that reason I have donated the
profits of the BBQ and some from myself, to Rick to cover some of the
costs he incurred in order to make the event a success with the purchase
of the bbqs and the rental of the U-Haul.
This year saw some difficulties in staffing, we lost our two cooks from
previous years and we did not have David present to allow me the time
necessary to make the final preps. In addition, one other builder I had
arranged from California to help out in the cooking was unable to make
it to the show. However, we had Rick Roberts wife and Jon's lady friend
pitch in and help, I wish to Thank both of these great Ladies for all
their help this year, sometimes it is hard just to get our wives to come
to an event directed at our interests, to have them pitch in and work
really hard is truly a blessing.
I would also like to Thank Jim Hoak and his helpers for the tables and
going to extreme efforts to reserve the space necessary to hold the BBQ
in the Campground. This I feel is the best place to hold our event, the
ambiance is exactly what I enjoy so much about it. With luck we will hol
dth eevent at the same location for next year.
I also wish to give Jon Croke and Rick Roberts a pat on the back for
their efforts in making sure the event was a success. It is hard work
serving over 200 people in a very short period. Both Gents performed
flawlessly. Plus, with not having David present this year at the Zenith
booth I was unable to take the time off necessary to get the food and
make the final arrangements. This job also fell to the wide shoulders of
Jon and Rick. We sat for an hour before the show on Wed and then for the
next two days Jon and Rick worked to make all the final items fall in
place.
The event was not without a couple of hitches that I will improve upon
next year, but we did not repeat any of our hitches from last year so
progress is made every year we do this.
For all that attended, please share a few words with those who were
unable to make it. In addition, if you can please give the helpers a
verbal pat on the back, it will go a long way to make them feel the
worth of the event.
For pictures and more information on the event please visit HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch601.org/BBQ/bbq.htm"http://www.ch601.org/BBQ/bbq.htm the
bottom of the page has the link to the pictures.
Lastly, THANK-YOU for Attending, I feel a warmth and joy when we are all
able to gather together, I enjoy the company and chance to meet
everyone! This BBQ is over now and I have already started planning the
Sun-N-Fun BBQ for Thursday April 10 2008 Plan to attend !!!
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
12:19 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Painting...Painting... |
Hi Rog,
I=92m not a painter so this is subject to review by those with actual
experience. I did the grunt work.
1. Cleaned skins with Lacquer Thinner to remove sharpie marks, tape,
etc.
2. Washed wings, etc. with Liquid Dove dishwash soap
3. Let wings dry (standing on edge so water drains).
4. Washed wings with Alumiprep and rinsed well (3 parts water, 1 part
Alumiprep).
5. Washed wings with Alodine and rinsed well. (3 parts water, 1 part
Alumiprep).
6. Stood all surfaces on edge so they would drain well over several
days. Taped off areas that would not be painted.
7. Took wings to paint shop. Painter looked at wings and had me scuff
them up with Scotchbright pads (green).
8. I previously ordered 2 gallons arctic white Acrylic Enamel 2 gallons
Gray Synthetic Primer along with reducer and hardener from Paint For
Cars
(http://www.paintforcars.com <http://www.paintforcars.com/> )
9. The painter sprayed primer while I held the parts to keep them from
swinging. (That was the biggest mistake, hanging the parts from the
ceiling. The lighter items had to be held to keep them at the right
distance from the gun).
10. Within one hour we started spraying the tack coat of Acrylic Enamel.
Followed that with a second coat. Then the painter mixed =BD enamel,
=BD
reducer and sprayed a light coat. That light coat sort of smoothed
everything out.
11. The painter said he could have done a better job with a base/clear
coat paint like Imron, but I=92m happy and the paint was much, much
cheaper
(let=92s hope it=92s durability is good).
Hope this helps,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Tommy
Looks Good! I am nearly ready to paint my 701 and interested in
knowing more.
Can you give details on what you used to prep and prime?
Appreciate it
Roger
12.
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The 620 was the Gemini right? If so only one was built and it was the one done
by the factory. I asked about plans when I went through the rudder workshop back
in 2002 and was told, "no they aren't available and probably wouldn't be."
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Gig Giacona wrote:
> The 620 was the Gemini right? If so only one was built and it was the one done
by the factory. I asked about plans when I went through the rudder workshop
back in 2002 and was told, "no they aren't available and probably wouldn't be."
Wonder why?
Wonder if someone like Mark Townsend would be interested in putting together some
plans based on a 601HD. The body doesn't look any different from an HD, I'd
imagine the spar is probably stronger. It would probably need a larger rudder
than an HD too. Those are the major differences I can think of.
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun Wrap-Up |
Mark,
Thanks for the efforts to make this event happen. I'll do my best to
provide the same space in the same location in the campground again next
year. It takes effort, but I look forward to it. I really enjoyed
talking with the other Zenith builders. Thanks again to all who made it
happen.
Jim Hoak
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: ZodieRocket
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun Wrap-Up
Hi Folks, Just a re-Cap of the BBQ at Sun-N-Fun. To date this was the
largest gathering of Zenith builders for a social event ever. I wish to
Thank all of you for attending.
I also wish to clarify a couple of issues, at the BBQ one gentleman
stated that I should remove the donation jar and look after my
customers. Please understand, this is in no way a Zenith or Company
sponsored event! Zenith and Can-Zac in no way donate any funds for this
BBQ, all I ask from the Zenith guys is that they show up and visit with
the builders in a social environment. All funds I donate come from my
pocket and never the books of Can-Zac. This event was started by a
Zenith builder for all Zenith owners and builders and I wish to keep it
that way.
I wish to THANK Jabiru USA, William Wynne, FlightCrafters and Quality
Sport Planes for their financial support. I also wish to Thank Cummins
Spinners for their donation of a custom made to order spinner with a
value of $350.00, also this year I grabbed a few shirts and hats from
the Zenith booth to supplement the raffle.
The GRAND prize winner of the Cummins Spinner was Bill Bodin, Bill is
a 701 builder who had to make a quick decision as to what engine and
prop combination he was going to use for his plane. After a brief
discussion, Cummins Spinners is making Bill a new spinner for his Rotax
912 with a warp drive 3 blade prop. Total prize value is about $350.00,
Congratulations Bill. Cummins Spinners has voiced their desire to
contribute again next year, with a success of this years raffle, you can
expect bigger and better things for next year.
The final tally of all donations brought the BBQ $100.00 to the green.
However, Rick Roberts ran out and bought two new BBQ's just for the
event, the two bbq's trailer and tables we have used for the last two
years were no longer available to us. For that reason I have donated the
profits of the BBQ and some from myself, to Rick to cover some of the
costs he incurred in order to make the event a success with the purchase
of the bbqs and the rental of the U-Haul.
This year saw some difficulties in staffing, we lost our two cooks
from previous years and we did not have David present to allow me the
time necessary to make the final preps. In addition, one other builder I
had arranged from California to help out in the cooking was unable to
make it to the show. However, we had Rick Roberts wife and Jon's lady
friend pitch in and help, I wish to Thank both of these great Ladies for
all their help this year, sometimes it is hard just to get our wives to
come to an event directed at our interests, to have them pitch in and
work really hard is truly a blessing.
I would also like to Thank Jim Hoak and his helpers for the tables and
going to extreme efforts to reserve the space necessary to hold the BBQ
in the Campground. This I feel is the best place to hold our event, the
ambiance is exactly what I enjoy so much about it. With luck we will hol
dth eevent at the same location for next year.
I also wish to give Jon Croke and Rick Roberts a pat on the back for
their efforts in making sure the event was a success. It is hard work
serving over 200 people in a very short period. Both Gents performed
flawlessly. Plus, with not having David present this year at the Zenith
booth I was unable to take the time off necessary to get the food and
make the final arrangements. This job also fell to the wide shoulders of
Jon and Rick. We sat for an hour before the show on Wed and then for the
next two days Jon and Rick worked to make all the final items fall in
place.
The event was not without a couple of hitches that I will improve upon
next year, but we did not repeat any of our hitches from last year so
progress is made every year we do this.
For all that attended, please share a few words with those who were
unable to make it. In addition, if you can please give the helpers a
verbal pat on the back, it will go a long way to make them feel the
worth of the event.
For pictures and more information on the event please visit
http://www.ch601.org/BBQ/bbq.htm the bottom of the page has the link to
the pictures.
Lastly, THANK-YOU for Attending, I feel a warmth and joy when we are
all able to gather together, I enjoy the company and chance to meet
everyone! This BBQ is over now and I have already started planning the
Sun-N-Fun BBQ for Thursday April 10 2008 Plan to attend !!!
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
12:19 PM
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It was proabably a purely marketing decision. The LSA stuff was just beginning
to look like it would happen and it was obvious that that is where the market
was going. Add to that they had just changed over to the XL being the primary
bird and while really cool the twin would not have given you that much more performance,
well at least not enough for the cost difference, than an XL.
Also, the big advantage of a twin would be pretty much non-existent because I doubt
single engine performance would have been that good with a single Jab 2200.
A much more logical twin would be based on a 604.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Floats on CH701 |
Ok Bob....The mods!
1)Skyshops retrofit kit w/ new cowling and Rotax air box....little help...but look
nice
2)Skyshops kit for fairing out the lift struts....this was a big help!
3)Rans plastic cover for jury struts. did this the same time as the lift struts
so who knows...but they look nice!
4)Made cover for the tunnel that the landing gear went. This helped more in rate
of climb.
5)The big one! Removed the slats and put on Vgs. Went from 85mph to 92mph at same
prop pitch and with the less drag I was able to repitch the prop to pick up
3 more mph. Flys better and stall went up only about 1 mph.
This is what I did and it worked for me.... :D
Do not Archive
Tom Schulke
Stol 701sp on Czech 1200A Floats
912S warp drive prop
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Gig Giacona wrote:
> It was proabably a purely marketing decision. The LSA stuff was just beginning
to look like it would happen and it was obvious that that is where the market
was going. Add to that they had just changed over to the XL being the primary
bird and while really cool the twin would not have given you that much more
performance, well at least not enough for the cost difference, than an XL.
>
> Also, the big advantage of a twin would be pretty much non-existent because I
doubt single engine performance would have been that good with a single Jab 2200.
>
> A much more logical twin would be based on a 604.
I forgot about the 640. Yeah, that would be better. Still, for people who like
the build, the 620 would be cool. I remember in one of Chris's old videos he mention
his inspiration for the 620 was when flying over the Bahamas and thinkin
what would he doe if he lost and engine over shark infested waters.
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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Don't rule the Gemini out. However, don't expect to see it any time in
the next few years. I love the idea and concept of the twin but the work
involved is a lot more then you think. To make a twin that flies is easy
but to make a twin that can do everything safely on one engine is very
hard. The Gemini if ever released will not look anything like it does
now in my opinion. Unfortunately, Zenith is too busy with other things
to even have a discussion about it. However, I spent several hours
talking to Chris about it last year and going over his drawings. All I
can hope for is someday we'll hear more. For now it is not realistic to
discuss in detail because details are completely changing.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ashontz
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:45 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH620
Gig Giacona wrote:
> The 620 was the Gemini right? If so only one was built and it was the
one done by the factory. I asked about plans when I went through the
rudder workshop back in 2002 and was told, "no they aren't available and
probably wouldn't be."
Wonder why?
Wonder if someone like Mark Townsend would be interested in putting
together some plans based on a 601HD. The body doesn't look any
different from an HD, I'd imagine the spar is probably stronger. It
would probably need a larger rudder than an HD too. Those are the major
differences I can think of.
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109351#109351
12:19 PM
12:19 PM
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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca wrote:
> Don't rule the Gemini out. However, don't expect to see it any time in
> the next few years. I love the idea and concept of the twin but the work
> involved is a lot more then you think. To make a twin that flies is easy
> but to make a twin that can do everything safely on one engine is very
> hard. The Gemini if ever released will not look anything like it does
> now in my opinion. Unfortunately, Zenith is too busy with other things
> to even have a discussion about it. However, I spent several hours
> talking to Chris about it last year and going over his drawings. All I
> can hope for is someday we'll hear more. For now it is not realistic to
> discuss in detail because details are completely changing.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
> --
That's a shame. It would be a neat project.
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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One factor I've heard mentioned is the lack of a feathering propeller
for engines in that class.
On Apr 26, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Gig Giacona wrote:
> <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
> Also, the big advantage of a twin would be pretty much non-existent
> because I doubt single engine performance would have been that good
> with a single Jab 2200.
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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bryanmmartin wrote:
> One factor I've heard mentioned is the lack of a feathering propeller
> for engines in that class.
>
> On Apr 26, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Gig Giacona wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, the big advantage of a twin would be pretty much non-existent
> > because I doubt single engine performance would have been that good
> > with a single Jab 2200.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
That's a good point. You could always go with an Ivoprop adjustable prop.
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL manual flaps? |
Ron Lendon wrote:
> I like manual flaps also. Let's do some digging and see what we can design.
I like the idea too. I think I'd go with some sort of screw design, like on a milling
machine to move the bed, a little wheel with a turn handle on it. It'd
give you the torque, control, and speed. What are we talking about, 110 lbs and
4 inches of travel? Sounds perfect. Just replace the motor with your hand. Be
about as difficult and as quick as rolling up a car window.
Speaking of that, who hear prefers roll up car window? I do. There's not luxuries
about a broken power window.
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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I recall reading an article some time back where CH was quoted as saying (
and I am paraphrasing here....) that the Gemini prototype performed well in
all regards EXCEPT single-engine climb. The lack of a fully-featherable prop
for the Jabaru 80 hp (and the drag associated with it while one engine is
stopped) made the plane unable to climb acceptably.
I wish I could remember the source of this info...it was a magazine
article....but after that I'm at a loss.
It seems to me the Gemini is the answer to a question no one is asking.
Sure, it would be VERY unique, but as a whole sales of twins are down.....so why
would a kit manufacturer want to offer such a product with such limited
appeal? Certainly this would not be a first-time-builders project. It's nice
to
dream...but how many kits would truely sell? I would think if I had Van's
breathing down my back with a Zodiac Clone I'd would not have time to even
THINK about a specialty bird like the Gemini.
But it sure would be a neat plane !!!!!!!!
Tracy Smith
CH601XL
N458XL (reserved)
Naugatuck, CT
Gig Giacona wrote:
> The 620 was the Gemini right? If so only one was built and it was the one
done by the factory. I asked about plans when I went through the rudder
workshop back in 2002 and was told, "no they aren't available and probably
wouldn't be."
Wonder why?
Wonder if someone like Mark Townsend would be interested in putting together
some plans based on a 601HD. The body doesn't look any different from an HD,
I'd imagine the spar is probably stronger. It would probably need a larger
rudder than an HD too. Those are the major differences I can think of.
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CH601XL - Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL manual flaps? |
ashontz wrote:
>
>
> Ron Lendon wrote:
>
>> I like manual flaps also. Let's do some digging and see what we can design.
>>
>
>
> I like the idea too. I think I'd go with some sort of screw design, like on a
milling machine to move the bed, a little wheel with a turn handle on it. It'd
give you the torque, control, and speed. What are we talking about, 110 lbs
and 4 inches of travel? Sounds perfect. Just replace the motor with your hand.
Be about as difficult and as quick as rolling up a car window.
>
> Speaking of that, who hear prefers roll up car window? I do. There's not luxuries
about a broken power window.
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109365#109365
>
>
>
Power windows? On an airplane? Just kidding. I like manual flaps. I
fly a Cherokee with manual flaps and really like it. I am careful to
raise and lower the flaps in a steady and somewhat slow manner to avoid
abrupt movement of any kind, something one of my instructors taught me
to do. I am installing electric flaps on my xl. Good luck with your
design.
Brad DeMeo
N601BD
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Position vs Elevator authority |
I guess I should have been more precise in my question concerning the performance
difference in an XL with one versus two aboard. What I wanted to know is whether
filling both seats reduced or increased the reported nose heaviness with
the gear flat side back.
I fly a 85 HP Champ with tandem seating and both a nose and a wing tank. I am
well aware of the behavior differences between one or two occupants and where
the fuel or baggage is carried in such a light aircraft (gross wt. 1220). Since
I fly it solo mostly, when I got a field approval to install a rudimentary
electrical system I installed the battery behind the rear seat which helps a
bit with the CG.
Sorry if I confused the issue.
TJ
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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| Subject: | WW Updates with post SnF info |
http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar.html
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Painting...Painting... |
Tommy
Appreciate the detail. Think I am going to follow your lead
Thanks
Roger
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy
Walker
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Painting...Painting...
Hi Rog,
I=92m not a painter so this is subject to review by those with actual
experience. I did the grunt work.
1. Cleaned skins with Lacquer Thinner to remove sharpie marks, tape,
etc.
2. Washed wings, etc. with Liquid Dove dishwash soap
3. Let wings dry (standing on edge so water drains).
4. Washed wings with Alumiprep and rinsed well (3 parts water, 1 part
Alumiprep).
5. Washed wings with Alodine and rinsed well. (3 parts water, 1 part
Alumiprep).
6. Stood all surfaces on edge so they would drain well over several
days. Taped off areas that would not be painted.
7. Took wings to paint shop. Painter looked at wings and had me scuff
them up with Scotchbright pads (green).
8. I previously ordered 2 gallons arctic white Acrylic Enamel 2 gallons
Gray Synthetic Primer along with reducer and hardener from Paint For
Cars
(http://www.paintforcars.com <http://www.paintforcars.com/> )
9. The painter sprayed primer while I held the parts to keep them from
swinging. (That was the biggest mistake, hanging the parts from the
ceiling. The lighter items had to be held to keep them at the right
distance from the gun).
10. Within one hour we started spraying the tack coat of Acrylic Enamel.
Followed that with a second coat. Then the painter mixed =BD enamel,
=BD
reducer and sprayed a light coat. That light coat sort of smoothed
everything out.
11. The painter said he could have done a better job with a base/clear
coat paint like Imron, but I=92m happy and the paint was much, much
cheaper
(let=92s hope it=92s durability is good).
Hope this helps,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Tommy
Looks Good! I am nearly ready to paint my 701 and interested in
knowing more.
Can you give details on what you used to prep and prime?
Appreciate it
Roger
12.
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I was talking with a couple of the instructors at the school where I rent
about their twin, which is a Piper Seneca. They said feathering the prop
requires oil pressure from the engine, and if the RPM falls below 800 there
isn't enough pressure. So at the first sign of engine trouble they have to
feather the prop immediately, before the engine shuts down. They also said
that near max gross weight on a hot day there isn't enough power from the
remaining engine to maintain flight. This put a big dent in my perception of
twin engine safety...
do not archive
Dino Bortolin
On 4/26/07, Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> One factor I've heard mentioned is the lack of a feathering propeller
> for engines in that class.
>
> On Apr 26, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> > <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
> >
> > Also, the big advantage of a twin would be pretty much non-existent
> > because I doubt single engine performance would have been that good
> > with a single Jab 2200.
> >
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Floats on CH701 |
Thanks Tom, I will start with the stut fairings, already have the Skyshops c
owl, You are right it does look good. Where did you end up putting the VG
=C2=B4s? Any pictures of the gear cover?
Thanks again
Bob
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From: classpix@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 7:57 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Floats on CH701
Ok Bob....The mods!
1)Skyshops retrofit kit w/ new cowling and Rotax air box....little help...bu
t
look nice
2)Skyshops kit for fairing out the lift struts....this was a big help!
3)Rans plastic cover for jury struts. did this the same time as the lift str
uts
so who knows...but they look nice!
4)Made cover for the tunnel that the landing gear went. This helped more in
rate of climb.
5)The big one! Removed the slats and put on Vgs. Went from 85mph to 92mph at
same prop pitch and with the less drag I was able to repitch the prop to pic
k up
3 more mph. Flys better and stall went up only about 1 mph.
This is what I did and it worked for me.... :D
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Stol 701sp on Czech 1200A Floats
912S warp drive prop
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They can be feathered with an electric prop
-----Original Message-----
From: dbortol@gmail.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: CH620
I was talking with a couple of the instructors at the school where I rent about
their twin, which is a Piper Seneca. They said feathering the prop requires oil
pressure from the engine, and if the RPM falls below 800 there isn't enough
pressure. So at the first sign of engine trouble they have to feather the prop
immediately, before the engine shuts down. They also said that near max gross
weight on a hot day there isn't enough power from the remaining engine to maintain
flight. This put a big dent in my perception of twin engine safety...
do not archive
Dino Bortolin
On 4/26/07, Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
One factor I've heard mentioned is the lack of a feathering propeller
for engines in that class.
On Apr 26, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Gig Giacona wrote:
> <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
> Also, the big advantage of a twin would be pretty much non-existent
> because I doubt single engine performance would have been that good
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun Wrap-Up try again? |
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Hence the expression that the second engine is there to make sure you get to the
crash site promptly.
Dred
> From: dbortol@gmail.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>
> I was talking with a couple of the instructors at the school where I rent about
their twin, which is a Piper Seneca. They said feathering the prop requires
oil pressure from the engine, and if the RPM falls below 800 there isn't enough
pressure. So at the first sign of engine trouble they have to feather the prop
immediately, before the engine shuts down. They also said that near max gross
weight on a hot day there isn't enough power from the remaining engine to
maintain flight. This put a big dent in my perception of twin engine safety...
>
> do not archive
>
> Dino Bortolin
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Dino
Somewhere I heard that one of Lindberg's reasons for using a single engine
aircraft in his Atlantic crossing was that a twin would not stay in the air on
one engine considering the fuel load, and having two engines doubles the
chance of one quitting.
Carroll
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There's one in in my neck of the woods.
I'll ask the builder if he minds if I post his email address.
Regards,
Kevin Kinney
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| Subject: | 601HD Wheel Fairings. |
Listers,
Based on my article about my 601HD in the recent issue of the Zenith
Newsletter, I received a call from a fellow HD builder in Ill. He is a
scratch builder who is looking for a set of the original ZAC wheel fairings
( mine came with my kit in 1995). He does not do Computers, so I said I
would ask the List if anyone has a set of the OLD style wheel fairings like
mine. I know a lot of folks didn't like the looks of those early ones ( he
likes the look of mine! ) and either modified theirs or did not use them. I
seem to remember someone recently saying they wanted to sell theirs.
If anyone has a set of these old style HD/HDS wheel fairings that you want
to sell, send me a message and I will provide you the fellows name and phone
number.
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Contact me off list at:
planejim@bellsouth.net
Jim Hoak 601HD - 912UL - 541 hours
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| Subject: | Corvair installation manual for 601XL |
I visited WW at Sun N Fun. He showed me the rough draft of the new 601 Corvair
installation manual. When I asked him when it would be ready he said "In a couple
of weeks". The book is a goldmine of information. There is nothing like
it for ANY other engine on the market. It is a system by system, part by part
layout of all components needed to complete the matrimony between the Corvair
and 601XL. I think it is a must have for anyone planning that installation.
Brett
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| Subject: | Re: Floats on CH701 |
Bob
The instructions are on www.stolspeed.com . I like the VG's they sell and will buy a set for my Rans S 7 next fall when I go back to Florida.
For the 701 it's extra easy. Just measure 130mm in front of the top edge of the
nose skin where it rivets onto the spar - this will be the front tip of the
VG. For under the horizontal stab measure 100mm in front of the gap between
stab and elevator. I've posted the photo of the gap cover.
Have Fun.
Tom Schulke
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| Subject: | Info on the Dynon |
The OAT can be set by bring up the main menu, then press "more", press
"more" again. This should show "OATSET" right under the title MAIN. Press
"OATSET" and the Dynon will let you set the temperature as F or C
George May
601XL 912s----69 hours
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>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Info on the Dynon
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:10:55 EDT
>
>I Was playing with the dynon today and noticed the OAT was in Celsius and
>for the life of me can't figure out how to change it Can this be done?
>
>
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| Subject: | FLY IN FOR ZENITH |
After Sun N FUn i was thinking of a place we could do a "redneck flyin" here in
the southeast.
I spoke to Kermit Weeks, Owner of Fantasy of Flight In Polk City Florida, he owns
the largest collection of WWI and WWII "Flying" active aircraft. His Private
airstrip has a great museum, and great restaurant, all minutes from Lakeland
Florida. If we can get 10 to 20 Zenith aircraft, to fly in, he will open up
the museum and airfeild for us. You can fly in, shoot the shit with all the
Zenith builders, then for the wives or yourselves, there is the museum, restaurant
and lots of little airports to hop to. We could probably get zenith distributors
in the area and parts suppliers to sponsor an costs.
Let me know what you guys think!
Juan Vega
601 xl 3300.
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| Subject: | Re: FLY IN FOR ZENITH |
I think I wish my plane was finished and flying. By next Spring it should be.
Dred
---- Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Let me know what you guys think!
>
> Juan Vega
> 601 xl 3300.
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| Subject: | Making stab removal easier? |
Gang:
In order to make installation and removal of the horizontal stabilizer
more mechanic friendly, I am considering a small change to the aft
portion of the rear top skin, 6B21-6. I would like to cut off the
section aft of the aft bulkhead 6B12-3 and above the stab chord line.
That's kind of hard to visualize, but basically the bottom half of the
clearance cut-out for the stab leading edge would remain attached to the
rear top skin, and above that it would be cut off even with the aft edge
of the aft bulkhead.
I would then replace every other A4 rivet with a flush-set A5 and
in-between put 8-32 rivnuts. (There is no room on the heavily crimped
bulkhead to install nutplates.) I would fabricate a small cover skin
from .025 or .016 which would attach to the rear top skin there with
AN525 screws into the rivnuts, and to the saddle 6B21-5 with A4 rivets.
I am guessing that others have also made mods in this area to improve
maintainability. I'd like to hear about those and to hear comments
about my idea.
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re:Info on the Dynon |
If its a D-10A, I found it in the manual on page 18.
_http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/support_documentation.html_
(http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/support_documentation.html)
Brian
Long Island, NY
_http://www.701Builder.com_ (http://www.701Builder.com)
I Was playing with the dynon today and noticed the OAT was in Celsius and
for the life of me can't figure out how to change it Can this be done?
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| Subject: | Making stab removal easier? |
> I am guessing that others have also made mods in this area to improve
maintainability. I'd like to hear about those and to hear comments about my
idea.
Some see the problem and some don't (i.e. they can remove their stab with
the standard cut-out from a single top rear skin).
Nick at the factory admits that some have a problem (private e-mail, Oct,
2006): "You are right, on the Zodiac, the stabilizer cannot be removed
without removing one of the HT attachment brackets 6B1-9 or 6B1-8."
I'm attaching a number of pictures of different solutions. I'll upload these
to the photo archives if none of their owners object.
"1.jpg", "2.jpg" and "3.jpg" are pictures of an unknown plane supplied by
Nick.
Ron Geese has some good shots of his solution. Look at photos 195-198 at his
site. I've attached #198.
http://rgeese.spaces.live.com/default.aspx?_c02_owner=1
Here is Larry McFarland's solution:
"I've included a linked image from when my stabilizer was being fitted and
had much the same problem. I made my saddle reach a bit more to minimize
the tail skin overhang needed to get the stabilizer to slip under and on. I
ink marked nearly 3/8-inch clearance around the nose to get the stab to
fit."
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/rudder/full/fibrglasfairing.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/rudder/full/rudderfairing.gif
The last three pictures with "saddle" in their name are from Jeff Small
[zodiacjeff@msn.com]
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: FLY IN FOR ZENITH |
As soon as I'm up and flying..count me in.
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Low & Slow
Rick
www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun Wrap-Up |
Yahoo wouldn't let the txt through?? My wife and I enjoyed the BBQ very much and
plan on pitching in again next year. The grills will have to be strapped under
the wings of my 701. (just kidding) They will get there somehow. Thanks
to Jon, Jim, CGoose, and the helper ladies.....see you all next year.
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Rick
www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: FLY IN FOR ZENITH |
As soon as I'am up and running ,a mo. or two it would be a great spot to
fly into and see, and meet. Joe N101HD ( repowering )
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:42 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: FLY IN FOR ZENITH
>
> After Sun N FUn i was thinking of a place we could do a "redneck flyin"
> here in the southeast.
> I spoke to Kermit Weeks, Owner of Fantasy of Flight In Polk City Florida,
> he owns the largest collection of WWI and WWII "Flying" active aircraft.
> His Private airstrip has a great museum, and great restaurant, all minutes
> from Lakeland Florida. If we can get 10 to 20 Zenith aircraft, to fly in,
> he will open up the museum and airfeild for us. You can fly in, shoot the
> shit with all the Zenith builders, then for the wives or yourselves, there
> is the museum, restaurant and lots of little airports to hop to. We could
> probably get zenith distributors in the area and parts suppliers to
> sponsor an costs.
>
> Let me know what you guys think!
>
>
> Juan Vega
> 601 xl 3300.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun Wrap-Up |
Cheers to all the folks who pulled the BBQ together. The food was great and finally
meeting some of you face to face was a real pleasure.
Here are a few pics of the crowd from my phone.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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