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1. 04:24 AM - 701 Engine selection (Gordon Watkin)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: CH620 (Peter Barthold)
3. 05:14 AM - Re: Painting...Painting... (steveadams)
4. 06:35 AM - Re: 601XL manual flaps? (Maarten Versteeg)
5. 06:48 AM - Re: 701 Engine selection (Keith Ashcraft)
6. 06:59 AM - Re: 701 Engine selection (LarryMcFarland)
7. 07:06 AM - Unused Bendix/King KT 76A Transponder with Tray and KA-60 Antenna For Sale! (Kurt A. Schumacher)
8. 07:24 AM - Selling landing gear for Stol 701Sp (Avidmagnum)
9. 07:28 AM - Re: 601XL manual flaps? (PatrickW)
10. 07:29 AM - Painting repair (LarryMcFarland)
11. 07:30 AM - Re: 601 Corvair installation manual available soon (PatrickW)
12. 07:50 AM - Barb-B-Q party/07 (Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito)
13. 08:13 AM - Re: 601 Corvair installation manual available soon (Gig Giacona)
14. 08:21 AM - Re: 601XL manual flaps? (Gig Giacona)
15. 08:46 AM - Re: 701 Engine selection (Keith Ashcraft)
16. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: 601XL manual flaps? (David Downey)
17. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: 601 Corvair installation manual available soon (David Downey)
18. 10:53 AM - Re: 701 Engine selection (Craig Payne)
19. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: 601 Corvair installation manual available soon (Elden Jacobson)
20. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: 601 Corvair installation manual available soon (Craig Payne)
21. 07:37 PM - Minimalist 701 Panel (secatur)
22. 07:42 PM - Minimalist 701 Panel (secatur)
23. 10:52 PM - Re:601XL manual flaps? (MaxNr@aol.com)
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| Subject: | 701 Engine selection |
Dear Zenith mailers
I am scratch building a 701 from plans in Darwin Australia. I have
finished the rear end and one wing and I am half way through the second.
I having been thinking hard about which engine to use. Seeing as I am in
Australia I am leaning towards the Jabiru. I like the extra power and
the inherent smoothness a six cylinder would give so I am thinking about
the 3300. Has anyone fitted one of these engines in a 701 and if so do
you have any advice or performance figures, cruise, fuel consumption
etc? Does it have to much power for a 701?
Any other thoughts on engine selection would be appreciated.
Yours Sincerely
Gordo.
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Gentlemen,
your information about featherable propellers is not correct!
I own a 160 cm dia prop from HOFFMANN which I intend to bolt to the business end
of my HDS one day. It is mechanically operated and has 3 pitch settings: 1.
Take off, 2. Cruise, 3. feather (sailplane operation).
It originates from a Grob G109B touring motorglider and was swung by a 2500ccm
VW based engine rated 85hp.
the G109B was introduced in 1983 (and sold in considerable numbers to the British
RAF as trainer) so this is not new at all.
Cheers
Peter
HDS TDO
Tail complete
Wings in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Painting...Painting... |
I'm not a painter either, but here are a couple of tips that may save a bit of
work.
1. You can probably skip the Lacquer thinner cleaning on aluminum surfaces. I did
the same initially, but then discovered that the sharpie marks are removed
completely by the alumiprep/scotchbrite. One less step and less chemicals to deal
with.
2. Use the scotchbrite pads when cleaning with dishwashing soap and alumiprep.
It will clean up faster and scuff up the surface nicely. You won't need the additional
step of going back and scuffing up the surface. I won't get into what
color of scotchbrite to use.
3. An engine hoist makes a great mobile, adjustable hanger for the parts for cleaning,
drying, and painting. Parts will still swing around a bit, but you can
keep the lines short to minimize movement and adjust the height of the boom to
put the part where you want it.
That's the extent of my knowledge for what it is worth.
Steve Adams
CH640
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL manual flaps? |
I also like the idea of a non-electrical system for the
flaps. But why would a screw design be needed. I have
flown Cessna's and Pipers with manual flaps and they all
had a parking brake like lever. Is the force needed to
extend the flaps on a light XL so much larger than on
these heavier planes
I would think a screw design would make it impossible to
quickly retract the flaps if needed.
Regards,
Maarten
> Ron Lendon wrote:
>> > I like manual flaps also. Let's do some digging and see what we can design.
>
>> Andy Shontz wrote:
>> I like the idea too. I think I'd go with some sort of screw design, like on
a milling machine to move the bed, a little wheel with a turn handle on it. It'd
give you the torque, control, and speed. What are we talking about, 110 lbs
and 4 inches of travel? Sounds perfect. Just replace the motor with your hand.
Be about as difficult and as quick as rolling up a car window.
>> Speaking of that, who hear prefers roll up car window? I do. There's not luxuries
about a broken power window.
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Maarten Versteeg
CH601XL
tail from kit, scratch building wings
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Engine selection |
Gordo,
This link should answer some of your question!!
http://www.usjabiru.com/mainmenu.htm
Keith
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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Gordon Watkin wrote:
> Dear Zenith mailers
>
> I am scratch building a 701 from plans in Darwin Australia. I have
> finished the rear end and one wing and I am half way through the second.
>
> I having been thinking hard about which engine to use. Seeing as I am
> in Australia I am leaning towards the Jabiru. I like the extra power
> and the inherent smoothness a six cylinder would give so I am thinking
> about the 3300. Has anyone fitted one of these engines in a 701 and if
> so do you have any advice or performance figures, cruise, fuel
> consumption etc? Does it have to much power for a 701?
>
> Any other thoughts on engine selection would be appreciated.
>
> Yours Sincerely
>
> Gordo.
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Engine selection |
Gordon,
I believe you'd be better served by finding a smaller engine to fit to
your 701. You'd get more climb and faster descent, but not much
improved cruise.
There are several engines that wouldn't impose problems that go with the
excessive horsepower. The stress on your firewall and mount don't have to be
that high. I'd advise you look just a bit longer at the problem. It can
be done, but I see the 3300 as a mismatch for the 701.
Respectfully,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Gordon Watkin wrote:
> . I like the extra power and the inherent smoothness a six cylinder
> would give so I am thinking about the 3300. Has anyone fitted one of
> these engines in a 701 and if so do you have any advice or performance
> figures, cruise, fuel consumption etc? Does it have to much power for
> a 701?
>
> Any other thoughts on engine selection would be appreciated.
>
> Yours Sincerely
>
> Gordo.
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| Subject: | Unused Bendix/King KT 76A Transponder with Tray and KA-60 |
Antenna For Sale!
Hello,
A friend and member of the EAS (Switzerland) has a new, unused Bendix/King
KT 76A Transponder on the shelf. Unit is available due to regulatory
requirement of Mode S with new registered aircraft in Switzerland.
For details and address, please see
http://www.experimental.ch/images/kt76a.pdf !
Please so contact the seller directly on the e-mail or address shown on the
PDF file above. Only reasonable offers considered.
Regards,
-Kurt.
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| Subject: | Selling landing gear for Stol 701Sp |
I was out working in my hanger last evening and saw the landing gear for my 701
sitting in the corner. As I've put my 701 on amphibs over a year ago I do not
need the gear I removed. This includes the wheels and main gear and nose gear.
Only have about 90 hours on them. I will take photos this weekend if anyone
is interested. I do not know value but will take a fair offer. Buyer to pay shipping.
But pick up in Wisconsin best.
Tom Schulke
classpix (at) seniorstudio.com
Stol 701 912s Czech 1200a amphibs
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL manual flaps? |
The Piper Warrior that I currently fly has the "parking brake" style of flaps.
I like it, and would go with that method on my 601XL if I could.
Have to ponder on how to do it...
Patrick
601XL/Corvair
about 30% done...
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Hi Guys,
I wrote about an outboard header overflow elbow that was not tightened
in the lower center wing skin and fuel had seeped around the fitting
wrinkling the paint. Recent inquiries require a second response to what
I found.
The wrinkled paint was easy to remove, but the spots that weren't took a
lot of sanding to feather edges. I primed and used a micro roller for
finish coat, as most of it was under the bottom wing joint cover. It was
then sanded and second coated to finish. A polish rub out would blend it
to the rest of the paint, but I dont think Ill take it that far.
Im comfortable with the durability of current water borne urethane
processes, but Bingelis was absolutely right about good brand name
acrylic enamels being much less work and much less costly for the
amateur builder. Im pleased to see some builders here showing very fine
work with that paint and process.
Fly safe guys,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Corvair installation manual available soon |
I'll be one of the first to buy it, when it's available.
Patrick
601XL/Corvair
about 30% done...
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| Subject: | Barb-B-Q party/07 |
Hi folks,
I'd like to thank every Zodiac builder that I met at the Bar-B-Q
party/07.
I met some people that I only knew by Mastronics.
I gave some Airfox T-shirts to someone of them as souvenir and I met
Peter Sonders at the Jabiru Tend.
Special thanks to Mark and Sebastien Heintz.
Regards,
Roberto Brito.
www.airfox.com.br
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Corvair installation manual available soon |
No you won't. I ordered a copy months ago. I also have seen a copy of the first
part of the manual and I give it 4 thumbs up. WAY better than the Zenith Counstruction
Manual.
PatrickW wrote:
> I'll be one of the first to buy it, when it's available.
>
> Patrick
> 601XL/Corvair
> about 30% done...
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL manual flaps? |
While I have no interest in manual flaps in my XL I don't see why it would be that
complex to replace the electric motor with a parking brake type system.
The only reason I can see why anyone would do it is to not have to worry about
the electric motor failing and I don't worry about it. There are plenty of folks
that are flying the XL and NOT using the flaps. Not to mention all the 601s
previous to the XL that didn't even have flaps.
PatrickW wrote:
> The Piper Warrior that I currently fly has the "parking brake" style of flaps.
>
> I like it, and would go with that method on my 601XL if I could.
>
> Have to ponder on how to do it...
>
> Patrick
> 601XL/Corvair
> about 30% done...
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Engine selection |
Here is the link on the Zenith web-site
http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7-photo98.html
Scroll down about half way down the page. This actually says its the 3300!!
Keith
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Keith Ashcraft wrote:
> Gordo,
> This link should answer some of your question!!
>
> http://www.usjabiru.com/mainmenu.htm
>
> Keith
> N 38.9947
> W 105.1305
> Alt. 9,100'
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> Gordon Watkin wrote:
>
>> Dear Zenith mailers
>>
>> I am scratch building a 701 from plans in Darwin Australia. I have
>> finished the rear end and one wing and I am half way through the second.
>>
>> I having been thinking hard about which engine to use. Seeing as I am
>> in Australia I am leaning towards the Jabiru. I like the extra power
>> and the inherent smoothness a six cylinder would give so I am
>> thinking about the 3300. Has anyone fitted one of these engines in a
>> 701 and if so do you have any advice or performance figures, cruise,
>> fuel consumption etc? Does it have to much power for a 701?
>>
>> Any other thoughts on engine selection would be appreciated.
>>
>> Yours Sincerely
>>
>> Gordo.
>>
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL manual flaps? |
Seems like even if there are only a few of us that have this "irrational" attachment
to manual flaps, we ought to be able to come up with a good system. I am
going to evaluate the T-18 system and see if any of it could be adapted to the
XL.
The Piper Warrior that I currently fly has the "parking brake" style of flaps.
I like it, and would go with that method on my 601XL if I could.
Have to ponder on how to do it...
Patrick
601XL/Corvair
about 30% done...
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Corvair installation manual available soon |
any idea of the predicted cost?
No you won't. I ordered a copy months ago. I also have seen a copy of the first
part of the manual and I give it 4 thumbs up. WAY better than the Zenith Counstruction
Manual.
PatrickW wrote:
> I'll be one of the first to buy it, when it's available.
>
> Patrick
> 601XL/Corvair
> about 30% done...
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | 701 Engine selection |
You should also ask this question on the Jabiru engines list at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines
Some 701 owners hang out there.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Corvair installation manual available soon |
Zenith Construction Manual? I am building the "quick-build" and all I received
was a set of plans and a disc full of photos. Would that there really was a "construction
manual.
eldenej
601xl/3300 just under way
Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> wrote:
No you won't. I ordered a copy months ago. I also have seen a copy of the first
part of the manual and I give it 4 thumbs up. WAY better than the Zenith Counstruction
Manual.
PatrickW wrote:
> I'll be one of the first to buy it, when it's available.
>
> Patrick
> 601XL/Corvair
> about 30% done...
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Corvair installation manual available soon |
> Zenith Construction Manual? I am building the "quick-build" and all I
received was a set of plans and a disc full of photos. Would that there
really was a "construction manual.
Does your CD contain the photo assembly guides? The guides do include some
words. Here is an example:
www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-t-5-rudder.pdf
The photo assembly guide CD that I have includes 182 Adobe Acrobat files
with a total size of 435 megabytes.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Minimalist 701 Panel |
My Simple Panel so Far !
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| Subject: | Minimalist 701 Panel |
My Simple Panel so Far !
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| Subject: | Re:601XL manual flaps? |
I like manual flaps over electrics for these reasons: Manuals weigh less,
Manuals don't have to be monitored during operation to get a predetermined
position. Manuals are less prone to malfunction. Manuals can be operated during
an
electrical failure. Manuals require lower total electrical power. Manuals give
you tactile feed back if you inadvertently try to deploy them at too high an
airspeed. Manuals don't require a multimeter to troubleshoot, only a
flashlight. Manuals retract fast. You could salvage most of this from an old Toyota.
My wife likes the effortless operation of electrics and that is a
consideration. I have all the parts in the garage. She also likes the operation
of the
hydraulic flaps in the Mooney Mark 21. You just put the lever down, then pump
another lever three or four times to pump them down. Lift the first lever and
they smoothly retract. These would be too hard to adapt though.
Bob Dingley
Pace,FL
Lyc/601XL
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