---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/03/07: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:47 AM - Re: Brake cylinder locations (N601RT) 2. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Brake cylinder locations (Carlos Sa) 3. 08:51 AM - Re: Brake cylinder locations (rickpitcher) 4. 09:02 AM - Purchase of experimental plane. (Robert Schoenberger) 5. 09:41 AM - Re: Purchase of experimental plane. (Randy L. Thwing) 6. 10:14 AM - Re: Another firewall question (N601RT) 7. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Brake cylinder locations (David Downey) 8. 02:15 PM - EFIS (hansriet) 9. 02:49 PM - Re: EFIS () 10. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: .062 bends/Dave's brake (Bill Naumuk) 11. 03:03 PM - Re: EFIS (LarryMcFarland) 12. 03:18 PM - Re: xxx EFIS (John Bolding) 13. 04:42 PM - hole flanging (Jerry Hey) 14. 04:53 PM - Not Zenith but aviation related (Paul Riedlinger) 15. 05:03 PM - Re: xxx EFIS (Juan Vega) 16. 06:01 PM - 801 Spinners (squiggles) 17. 06:09 PM - Re:hole flanging (MaxNr@aol.com) 18. 06:14 PM - Re: 801 Spinners (Aaron Gustafson) 19. 06:16 PM - Re: Not Zenith but aviation related (Dino Bortolin) 20. 06:33 PM - Re: Re:hole flanging (Carlos Sa) 21. 06:49 PM - Re:EFIS (MaxNr@aol.com) 22. 06:50 PM - Re: 801 Spinners (rroberts) 23. 07:14 PM - Re: 801 Spinners (LRM) 24. 07:26 PM - Re: Re:hole flanging (kevinbonds) 25. 07:27 PM - Re: hole flanging (Paul Mulwitz) 26. 07:27 PM - Re: Re:EFIS (Craig Payne) 27. 07:45 PM - Re: EFIS (Paul Mulwitz) 28. 07:54 PM - Re: xxx EFIS (Tim Juhl) 29. 08:49 PM - Re: Painting is done (Milburn Reed) 30. 11:27 PM - MGL's Enigma EFIS (Craig Payne) 31. 11:27 PM - MGL's Enigma EFIS (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:15 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Brake cylinder locations From: "N601RT" Andy, Brake cylinders with the fluid reserve on the inside rudder pedals feeding brake cylinders without the fluid reserve on the outside rudder pedals has been working fine for the four years N601RT has been flying. Since both master cylinders have the same bore, the pressure generated from the cylinder is the same with or without the built in fluid reserve. This configuration allows more direct and shorter brake line routing. Regards Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 710hrs, 837 landings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110626#110626 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:20 AM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Brake cylinder locations *Sounds like a good idea. Have you verified with ZAC? Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada ________________________________________ Does anyone see anything wrong with putting the master cylinders on the inboard pedals and the slave cylinders on the outboard pedals? Each pilot position would have one master and one slave cylinder, instead of putting the masters on one side and the slaves on the other. ** Thanks, Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (reserved) 601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:21 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Brake cylinder locations From: "rickpitcher" [quote="a.s.elliott(at)cox.net"]Gang: Because of the way my gun-drilled Grove gear is set up, it would be a much cleaner installation if the right brake line came from the co-pilot side right pedal and the left brake line from the pilot side left pedal. Does anyone see anything wrong with putting the master cylinders on the inboard pedals and the slave cylinders on the outboard pedals? Each pilot position would have one master and one slave cylinder, instead of putting the masters on one side and the slaves on the other. Thanks, Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (reserved) 601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... > [b] If you haven't already bought the master cylinders with the built-in reservoir (MCMC-5?), you might want to consider using a single remote reservoir and installing the "slave cylinders" (MCMC-4?) on all 4 pedals. It takes a couple more pieces of plastic tubing, but it's a helluva lot easier to check and fill. Besides, that brushed aluminum Matco remote reservoir filled with bright red hydraulic fluid looks really cool on the firewall! http://www.matcomfg.com/catalog/index.php?file=catalog&prod_pcategory=66040&clist=0,66040&uid=2192&gpoid Rick 601HD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110634#110634 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:17 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Zenith-List: Purchase of experimental plane. I agree that the lawsuit situation in the US has become ridiculous. I wish that there was some provision where is the frivilous lawsuit fails the person suing would have to pay the defendent's legal expenses. That would stop a lot of this lawsuits. As to the sale of a plane, I am considering the purchase of a built unltralite to fly while I'm building my 701. I called my accountant who's a pretty sharp guy and asked if I should purchase it under my own name or in the LLC which I own and use for business. He said neither and advised me to form a LLC (Limited Liabilty Corp) for the sole purpose of owning this plane. In his opinion, if something dastardly happens like an incident, this should give a pretty good degree of protection. This doesn't help much with the sale of a plane, but it's an interesting twist. I wonder what would happen if one would sell his plane to an LLC which in turn sells it to the buyer. Remember this advice might not be worth more than you're paying for it. Robert Schoenberger 701 55%. do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:22 AM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Purchase of experimental plane. The lawsuit situation in the US has become indeed, ridiculous. The fear of lawsuit situation has become unrealistically MEGA-ULTRA-SUPER ridiculous. Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive > > > I agree that the lawsuit situation in the US has become ridiculous. I ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:27 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Another firewall question From: "N601RT" Van's sells a firewall sealant, http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1178211813-272-15&browse=misc&product=cs1900. I used 3M Fire Barrier 2000. See http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/firewall2000caulk.php Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 710hrs, 837 landings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110648#110648 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:28 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Brake cylinder locations I can only see one possible issue with the proposed plan. Unless someone flies in the right seat and uses the brakes with some frequency I can see that teh brake refilled from the master on the passenger's side might get soft. Carlos Sa wrote: Sounds like a good idea. Have you verified with ZAC? Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada ________________________________________ Does anyone see anything wrong with putting the master cylinders on the inboard pedals and the slave cylinders on the outboard pedals? Each pilot position would have one master and one slave cylinder, instead of putting the masters on one side and the slaves on the other. Thanks, Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (reserved) 601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:54 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: EFIS From: "hansriet" Is there anybody who is going to install or who installed already an EFIS (like the Dynon) without an analogue backup of primairy flight instruments? I see the advantage (financially as well as for panel real estate) of having an EFIS that's all in one and that includes an HSI. But if you have to install analogue instruments as well that kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? I would like to hear your thoughts on this. Hans van Riet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110675#110675 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:34 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EFIS Hello Hans, My 601XL is not flying yet...... it will probably fly late this year, so the question and my answer are still academic rather than experience based. With that disclaimer, I am using two AF-3400 units from Advanced Flight Systems; one is the EFIS and the other is the EIS. I have put a steam gauge ASI in my panel (2.25" from UMA) as a backup. I have also installed a Tiny Tach to backup the Tach display. My gps provides a backup display of ALT. I figure that if the EFIS goes dark on me, I want Tach and ASI to get down safely with confidence. If the aircraft electrical system is still working and the weather is good I may even decide to complete the flight to the original destination with the ALT info from the gps. I am not planning on adding backup gyro instruments since the plane is for VFR Cross Country. If you plan to certify yours for IFR, you may need the back up gyros. Dred ---- hansriet wrote: > > Is there anybody who is going to install or who installed already an EFIS (like the Dynon) without an analogue backup of primairy flight instruments? > > I see the advantage (financially as well as for panel real estate) of having an EFIS that's all in one and that includes an HSI. But if you have to install analogue instruments as well that kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? > > I would like to hear your thoughts on this. > > Hans van Riet > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110675#110675 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:12 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: .062 bends/Dave's brake Dave- The piece was small (Upper gear bearing) and I located the part next to a hold-down bolt. What I was worried about was the part sliding through the hold-down angle because it was relying on the one bolt. Turns out that slipping wasn't a problem, leverage was. Too much to ask of the hinge when you only have 20mm bend surface. Turn the part around to where you have about 100mm, and no problem. No way would you be able to bend a really large piece, but the second time around I didn't do any damage to the hinge. I have access to smack the bent part of the hinge in place without taking the pin out again, so no big deal. If I don't screw up any more kit parts, all I have left is maybe a couple of standard L angles. I figure it this way, it cost me less than $20.00 to build the brake. The two parts I've already made would have cost over $100 with shipping. I'm not complaining. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "TxDave" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:34 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: .062 bends/Dave's brake > > Bending anything up to and including .040 is not a problem. Trying to bend > .063 is pushing it. Fortunately there aren't too many .063 parts to bend. > > Dave Clay > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110580#110580 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:12 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EFIS Hans, You make a very good point. For instrument flying the argument wouldnt apply, but as a VFR experimental, you could very well install an Engine Information System and an EFIS as your primary instrument groups and forgo all but perhaps a compass and a lift reserve indicator. The weak link here is obvious that any one component can fail all and youd be looking at possibly a larger replacement or repair cost. If I had do-overs, Id have left all the expensive not so durable round gages off the panel. My EIS has been the easiest and least costly item to install. The tachometer was replaced once at $100.00, the electric T&B has been in and out twice at $250.00, so an EFIS is looking pretty good. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com hansriet wrote: > > Is there anybody who is going to install or who installed already an EFIS (like the Dynon) without an analogue backup of primairy flight instruments? > > I see the advantage (financially as well as for panel real estate) of having an EFIS that's all in one and that includes an HSI. But if you have to install analogue instruments as well that kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? > > I would like to hear your thoughts on this. > > Hans van Riet > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:39 PM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: xxx Zenith-List: EFIS Is there anybody who is going to install or who installed already an EFIS (like the Dynon) without an analogue backup of primairy flight instruments? I will have no analog inst. , gonna have the Dynon , prolly the small one, MAYBE one for the copilot.. Mine is for cost AND primarily weight savings. Can leave several POUNDS at the curb. There are those that prefer to have redundant everything however. The older I get and the more I fly, the simplier I like my airplanes. My Champ has 4 instruments and the only two I look at really are the oil temp and pressure. That airplane has almost 5000 hrs and has been all over the U.S. MANY times. There WILL be differing ideas on this however. John ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:37 PM PST US From: Jerry Hey Subject: Zenith-List: hole flanging Does the 2 roller hole flanger sold by ACS work well? Or what is the best way to flange lightening holes? Thanks, Jerry ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:46 PM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: Zenith-List: Not Zenith but aviation related In the workshop, I love to listen to various Podcasts in the background. Today I found my first aviation related podcast. http://thefinerpoints.net/podcast/?Podcasts=all It is a series of 73 (so far) 5-10 minute podcasts put out by a CFI. Really entertaining. Anyone else have any other aviation related podcasts to recommend? Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:07 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: xxx Zenith-List: EFIS i have the dynon efis and ems, with no backups. I have both under 4 hour battery backup. strictly VFR. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: John Bolding >Sent: May 3, 2007 3:15 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: xxx Zenith-List: EFIS > > > Is there anybody who is going to install or who installed already an EFIS (like the Dynon) without an analogue backup of primairy flight instruments? > > > I will have no analog inst. , gonna have the Dynon , prolly the small one, MAYBE one for the copilot.. Mine is for cost AND primarily weight savings. Can leave several POUNDS at the curb. > There are those that prefer to have redundant everything however. The older I get and the more I fly, the simplier I like my airplanes. My Champ has 4 instruments and the only two I look at really are the oil temp and pressure. That airplane has almost 5000 hrs and has been all over the U.S. MANY times. There WILL be differing ideas on this however. > John ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:08 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 801 Spinners From: "squiggles" Hello All... I am finally reaching the point of needing to purchase a spinner for my 801 in preparation of making the cowl this summer. I tried contacting UHS Spinners, but have been unable to get them to reply to my queries. For a 3 blade IVO magnum on an SAE 1 hub, what are the possible options for purchase? Ideally, I'd like to purchase one which is already cut out... Any recommendations? Thx... -Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110698#110698 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:19 PM PST US From: MaxNr@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re:hole flanging I saw a hole flanger on the US Industrial Tool Co. print ad in Trade A Plane. It looked like a metal arm with two rollers. How in the world do you use it? Do not archive Bob Dingley Pace,FL 601XL/LYC ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:24 PM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Spinners My guess is you won't find one already cut for an IVO. There're not that bad to cut though. I've done 2 now, one for an IVO Medium 3 blade and now one for a McCauley. Got mine through ACS. Aaron do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:29 PM PST US From: "Dino Bortolin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Not Zenith but aviation related I listen to http://www.ultraflightradio.com/ You can listen live to the news ones that come out every Tuesday morning, or to their archives. Dino Bortolin On 5/3/07, Paul Riedlinger wrote: > > In the workshop, I love to listen to various Podcasts in the background. > Today I found my first aviation related podcast. > > http://thefinerpoints.net/podcast/?Podcasts=all > > It is a series of 73 (so far) 5-10 minute podcasts put out by a CFI. > Really entertaining. > > Anyone else have any other aviation related podcasts to recommend? > > > Paul Riedlinger > paulried@rogers.com > > > * > * > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:04 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:hole flanging Bob, I bought one of those tools. It consists of two wheels with bearings exactly the type you see in shower doors - not exactly heavy duty - attached to a handle. I replaced the two wheels with regular bearings I bought locally. The result depends a lot on the hability and patience of the tool operator. Some people love it. Myself, well, not so much. I think the best way is to use dies. There must be a lot of posting on this subject in the archives. Good luck Carlos CH601-HD, plans On 03/05/07, MaxNr@aol.com wrote: > > I saw a hole flanger on the US Industrial Tool Co. print ad in Trade A > Plane. It looked like a metal arm with two rollers. How in the world do you > use it? > Do not archive > > Bob Dingley > Pace,FL 601XL/LYC > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:29 PM PST US From: MaxNr@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re:EFIS I am interested in the DYNON FlightDEK 180 but the Stratomaster Enigma is coming on strong. Because my project is day/night VFR I don't realy need backups. But I do want back up oil pressure, ASI and altimeter steam gauges with a simple glue on skid indicator. These would be the cheapest, non TSO'ed used gauges that I can find. My reasoning is I would have dispatch capability if the Dynon went black away from home. Gauges would be on the copilot's side. The last year and half before retirement was with a Honeywell glass cockpit and I was the grumpy old ***** that only watched the standby steam gauges during critical stages of flight, then transitioned to the glass on climb out. I got more accepting after about 600-800 hours. My hope is that there is a lot of chatter about this because I respect all your opinions and my mind is still open. Do not archive Bob Dingley 601XL/Lyc ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:47 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 801 Spinners From: "rroberts" I got a UHS for my IVO through Aircraft Spruce. -------- Low & Slow Rick www.n701rr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110706#110706 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:27 PM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Spinners UHS thru AirCraft Spruce has a 6+ week wait time. But they will cut them for you. I found Valley Engineering to have the best prices for an aluminum spinner, but you gotta cut'm. I think it was around $85 including the bulkhead. It's not that hard to cut it out, make a cardboard cutout first. I had a machine shop cut out my SAE1 holes or you can get a squash plate to use for a pattern. You will have to have the plate anyway. Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "squiggles" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 801 Spinners > > Hello All... > > I am finally reaching the point of needing to purchase a spinner for my > 801 in preparation of making the cowl this summer. I tried contacting UHS > Spinners, but have been unable to get them to reply to my queries. > > For a 3 blade IVO magnum on an SAE 1 hub, what are the possible options > for purchase? Ideally, I'd like to purchase one which is already cut > out... > > Any recommendations? > > Thx... > -Scott > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110698#110698 > > > -- > 2:57 PM > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:37 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re:hole flanging I have one, and I don't know how it works. The little I've tried to use it, it didn't seem to work for me, but I may be doing something wrong. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Plans building. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MaxNr@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re:hole flanging I saw a hole flanger on the US Industrial Tool Co. print ad in Trade A Plane. It looked like a metal arm with two rollers. How in the world do you use it? Do not archive Bob Dingley Pace,FL 601XL/LYC ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:16 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: hole flanging My preferred tool is one you can make in a minute or two with a piece of plywood and a bandsaw. You cut a slot about 1/2" deep and about 1/2" from the end of the stick. You then cut the circle in the sheet metal and use the stick to bend the flange by going around the circle a few times until you are happy with the bends. I know this is low tech, but it works better than any of the methods I have tried. Paul XL fuselage At 04:41 PM 5/3/2007, you wrote: > >Does the 2 roller hole flanger sold by ACS work well? Or what is >the best way to flange lightening holes? Thanks, Jerry ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:51 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re:EFIS I have an Enigma but I am not flying yet. I'm backing it up with an MGL Flight II. I bought a glass panel to get away from mechanical gauges, why would I want them for back-up? Why have back-ups which are *less* reliable than what they are backing-up? Electricity? The Flight II will run on a 9 volt battery for two+ hours and the shelf life of an alkaline battery is 5 years. And in reality the 9 volt battery is a back-up to the back-up battery for the Enigma. www.mglavionics.co.za/flight2.html In a 3.5 inch hole the Flight II gives you: * Altimeter * Airspeed indicator * Analog VSI * Digital VSI * Density altimeter * True airspeed and a lot more. If you want back-up engine instruments add an MGL E1: www.mglavionics.co.za/Docs/e1.pdf In another 3.5 inch hole you gain: * RPM with digital and analog readout. * Programmable engine hobbs meter and running timer (flight timer). * Up to four thermocouple channels for EGT and CHT probes, fully programmable. * A water temperature or oil temperature monitor. * Oil pressure monitor. Chris Smith flies his Cleanex (Corvair-powered Sonex) with nothing but a Flight II and an E1. Also, don't forget that if you have a Garmin 296/396/496 it will run on its internal battery for hours and can provide basic attitude information. But it can't provide air speed. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:38 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EFIS Hi Hans, My plan is to install a single Dynon combined EFIS/EIS. The only other flight instrument I have is a lift reserve indicator I made while waiting for my wing kit to arrive. For radios, I will have some sort of (portable, battery powered?) GPS along with a Comm (NAV?) and transponder. The GPS provides a reasonable backup for the EFIS. I consider neither one necessary unless I screw up and find myself in bad weather where I must fly on the gauges. For most VFR flights I don't require any instruments at all - except for navigation in unknown territory. I will be operating with Sport Pilot limitations, so only VFR day operations are planned. Also, I had the benefit of a really good instructor for night flying. He took me up one evening (in a 172XP) and we did circuits and bumps for an hour or two. We started at dusk and went well into total darkness. The only lights in use were the navigation lights required to keep others from hitting us. I learned to handle all the necessary controls by touch and to control the engine, prop, and airspeed by just sound and the nose position compared to the horizon. Once you know how to fly with a totally black cockpit, you don't forget. If you haven't yet learned to fly like this, then you probably should include a backup airspeed indicator and perhaps an altimeter. If you have a GPS, it can give you fine altitude information, but the speed it gives is only ground speed. If I were planning to fly true IFR, then I would include a backup TBI, airspeed, and altimeter. I know needle/ball and airspeed flying is hard work, but if you consider yourself competent to fly IFR then you should be able to fly on this level of minimum panel in the rare case when your EFIS turns toes up. If not, some remedial training is in order. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage At 02:12 PM 5/3/2007, you wrote: > >Is there anybody who is going to install or who installed already an >EFIS (like the Dynon) without an analogue backup of primairy flight >instruments? > >I see the advantage (financially as well as for panel real estate) >of having an EFIS that's all in one and that includes an HSI. But if >you have to install analogue instruments as well that kind of >defeats the purpose, doesn't it? > >I would like to hear your thoughts on this. > >Hans van Riet > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:45 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: xxx EFIS From: "Tim Juhl" Like John I have a Champ. You quickly learn that your eyes and ears provide you with most of the info you need for safe VFR flying. In my opinion, most VFR pilots do not pay enough attention to what is happening outside the cockpit. That said, I'm likely going with a single EFIS and separate EIS. In addition, I have a Garmin 296 portable which has an excellent Flight instrument display. Makes a great backup to your EFIS and is battery powered. Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110719#110719 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:45 PM PST US From: "Milburn Reed" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Painting is done How do I make your picture visable on this CRT Mil ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:39 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: MGL's Enigma EFIS > ... but the Stratomaster Enigma is coming on strong BTW: if you are interested in Enigma, MGL has put up a new web site which does a much better job of explaining its multitude of features: www.stratomaster.com/Enigma -- Craig ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:39 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: MGL's Enigma EFIS > ... but the Stratomaster Enigma is coming on strong BTW: if you are interested in Enigma, MGL has put up a new web site which does a much better job of explaining its multitude of features: www.stratomaster.com/Enigma -- Craig ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.