---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/09/07: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:48 AM - any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? (alex_001) 2. 05:28 AM - Re: Day one (William Dominguez) 3. 05:40 AM - Re: Day one (Jerry Hey) 4. 06:02 AM - Re: Distance of Left and Right wing to rear reference point (tigermiller) 5. 06:15 AM - Re: Day one (William Dominguez) 6. 06:29 AM - Re: Corvair Engine (Billy Stewart) 7. 07:27 AM - CH701 Rudder Tip Beacon/Strobe (rbjjr) 8. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Distance of Left and Right wing to rear reference point (Gary Ray) 9. 07:42 AM - warp v. wood props (john butterfield) 10. 08:23 AM - Re: CH701 Rudder Tip Beacon/Strobe () 11. 08:37 AM - Metric hole saws (Ron Butterfield) 12. 08:53 AM - Re: Day one (Randy L. Thwing) 13. 09:04 AM - Fly cutter hint () 14. 09:05 AM - Re: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? (ronlee) 15. 09:10 AM - Re: Metric hole saws (Randy L. Thwing) 16. 09:25 AM - Fly cutter hint () 17. 09:34 AM - Re: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? (Gig Giacona) 18. 12:18 PM - Re: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? (george may) 19. 12:49 PM - Lightening Hole Tolerance (Kafka, Jeff) 20. 02:09 PM - Re: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? (N601RT) 21. 02:10 PM - Re: Distance of Left and Right wing to rear reference point (eddies) 22. 02:46 PM - Re: warp v. wood props (LarryMcFarland) 23. 03:01 PM - Re: warp v. wood props (Craig Payne) 24. 04:06 PM - Re: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? (Terry Phillips) 25. 04:36 PM - Re: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? (Gig Giacona) 26. 05:40 PM - Re: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? (george may) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:01 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? From: "alex_001" i would like to install a fuel flow gauge for my 601xl with 912s and look for any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111762#111762 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:34 AM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Day one Can you post the link to the Morse site? Thanks William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami, Florida Looking further at the Morse site, I found they had metric hole saws in all the sizes needed. I ordered 65mm, 95mm and 114mm. Jerry ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:09 AM PST US From: Jerry Hey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Day one Sure. www.mkmorse.com On May 9, 2007, at 8:27 AM, William Dominguez wrote: > Can you post the link to the Morse site? Thanks > > William Dominguez > Zodiac 601XL Plans > Miami, Florida > > Jerry Hey wrote: > > Looking further at the Morse site, I found they had metric hole saws > in all the sizes needed. I ordered 65mm, 95mm and 114mm. Jerry > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:10 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Distance of Left and Right wing to rear reference point From: "tigermiller" Eddie, The wings are not swept forward. Scott Laughlin just did his wing attach last weekend. He had the same question. What you're seeing is the result of the wing spar being tilted back. Lay a straight edge along the spar (up between the wing and fuse--with the wing attached to the fuse). If you run a string from wing tip to wing tip, the straight edge should hit the string dead nuts. So,,,,,the rivet line is straight as a string --wing tip to wing tip if you "tip" your viewing angle the same number of degrees the spar is tilted back. Hope this helps. -------- Dave Miller Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111797#111797 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:08 AM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Day one Thanks. do not archive Jerry Hey wrote: Sure. www.mkmorse.com On May 9, 2007, at 8:27 AM, William Dominguez wrote: Can you post the link to the Morse site? Thanks William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami, Florida Looking further at the Morse site, I found they had metric hole saws in all the sizes needed. I ordered 65mm, 95mm and 114mm. Jerry href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:29 AM PST US From: "Billy Stewart" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair Engine You can try Pullapart (pullapart.com). Their web site shows they have a car in south Atlanta. I also found an engine by running a wanted ad on craigslist. (craigslist.com) Do not archive Billy Stewart _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeyoung65@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:59 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair Engine I am new to the board but have been reading it for about two years. Building by plans a 601HD I am looking for a Corvair engine in the south-east. DO NOT ARCHIVE" Jerry of GA _____ See what's free at AOL.com . ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:38 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Rudder Tip Beacon/Strobe From: "rbjjr" I am nearly finished my rudder and am struggling with the choice of beacon or strobe to mount on the rudder tip. Zenith has told me how to reinforce the tip rib if I do so but I cannot seem to find a "real" aircraft beacon that will fit in the small space on the front of the rudder tip rib. Anyone have any ideas of choices for a rudder beacon for the 701? Red strobe would be good or flashing red LED. I've looked at Aeroflash and Whelen and I'm just looking for other possible options. Thanks Burke Johnson CH701 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111822#111822 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:18 AM PST US From: "Gary Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Distance of Left and Right wing to rear reference point Eddie The way I understand the geometry and the way I did it: The rivet line of the main spar will fall beneath a tip to tip string only when the main spar is vertical. If you lower the tail until the wing spar is vertical, the main spar rivet line is directly beneath the tip to tip string. The wings are in the required position. After rotating the aircraft to level the dihedral of the wings sweeps the tips forward. In this position, the main spar rivet line is behind the string at mid wing span. Gary Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddies" Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:54 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Distance of Left and Right wing to rear reference point > > Hi Gerry > > Thanks for the reply, I am going to have another go at setting up my wings this weekend, I think that one of my issues might be that the flap control arm is stopping the wing from swinging back far enough, so I will recheck this. > > For anyone else that interested, I forgot to mention that this is on a 601XL > > Regards, > Eddie > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111750#111750 > > > -- PM > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:43 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: warp v. wood props hi list i am going to order my prop and am wondering what are the advantages of wooden prop and warp drive props. it appears that WW is now selling both \\. what are your thoughts. regards john butterfield 601XL, corvair __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:44 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 Rudder Tip Beacon/Strobe Try this link to Kuntzleman Electronics. Th eowmer is a good guy who can probably help find what you want if the red beacon on the page is not satisfactory. Dred http://kestrobes.com/RED_BEACON.html ---- rbjjr wrote: > > I am nearly finished my rudder and am struggling with the choice of beacon or strobe to mount on the rudder tip. Zenith has told me how to reinforce the tip rib if I do so but I cannot seem to find a "real" aircraft beacon that will fit in the small space on the front of the rudder tip rib. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:40 AM PST US From: "Ron Butterfield" Subject: Zenith-List: Metric hole saws Re-posting under descriptive title On 5/9/07, Jerry Hey wrote: > Sure. www.mkmorse.com -- Regards, RonB ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:33 AM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Day one Hey Jerry: Care to tell us the price of such nice hole saws? If you use flanging dies, hole diameter is not critical, but what is critical is after you cut the holes with any tool, be sure to sand around the inside of the hole until it is smooth enough to run your finger around inside and feel NOTHING. If you leave ANY nick etc., the flange can easily crack while forming. How do I know this? From "experience". And a fly-cutter works fine with the right setup in a drill press. Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive I ordered 65mm, 95mm and 114mm. Jerry ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:37 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Fly cutter hint A few days ago someone suggested using a fly cutter rather than investing in multiple hole saws. The choice is a personal preference of course but I thought I'd offer a hint in favor of using a fly cutter. When you have completed the adjustment and the cut you will have a circle of waste material with the 1/4" pilot hole in its center. My advice is to store those in a box somewhere handy. You might want to identify them with a fine Sharpie. Later on, if you have to find the center of the large hole you just cut out, the waste material will make it much easier to do that. For instance you might be using a finished piece as the layout pattern for another piece. In that situation, being able to set the waste piece centered in the hole is very helpful in locating the center pilot hole for the next piece. That doesn't work as well with a holesaw because the kerf of the holesaw removes more material making repositioning more difficult. Dred ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:34 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? From: "ronlee" Buy a Stratomaster and go with their fuel flow sender. They have the best price & work well. I have the Stratomaster with the fuel flow sender in my 701 and am happy with it. No, I do not have any monitory interest in the company. -------- Ron Lee Tucson, Arizona Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111851#111851 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:05 AM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Metric hole saws I just took a look at the Morse web site and they make several models of hole saws. If you go this route, I would definitely recommend the fixed arbor model. The style that uses the detachable arbor allows the saw to rattle unless screwed down tight on the threaded arbor, where the drive pins usually don't line up. These saws are made to go through lumber quick. I believe their teeth may be too course for thin sheet metal. I would do test holes before using on a valuable part and would try for the most rigid setup possible in a drill press. Regards, Randy, Las Vegas do not archive > Re-posting under descriptive title ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:28 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Fly cutter hint A few days ago someone suggested using a fly cutter rather than investing in multiple hole saws. The choice is a personal preference of course but I thought I'd offer a hint in favor of using a fly cutter. When you have completed the adjustment and the cut you will have a circle of waste material with the 1/4" pilot hole in its center. My advice is to store those in a box somewhere handy. You might want to identify them with a fine Sharpie. Later on, if you have to find the center of the large hole you just cut out, the waste material will make it much easier to do that. For instance you might be using a finished piece as the layout pattern for another piece. In that situation, being able to set the waste piece centered in the hole is very helpful in locating the center pilot hole for the next piece. That doesn't work as well with a holesaw because the kerf of the holesaw removes more material making repositioning more difficult. Dred ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:46 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? From: "Gig Giacona" Or you could at least check out the one produced by Matronics. http://www.matronics.com/ -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111857#111857 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:20 PM PST US From: "george may" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? Alex-- You can check out both Stratomaster and Dynon. I'm running the Dynon on my 601XL and am hapy with it. Or if you are looking for a stand alone unit, I've used a Navman 2100 for the last few years in a kitfox. You can check out this link: http://www.discount-marine.co.nz/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=130&products_id=3031 If you shop around you might be able to get it for a little less. I think I paid about $95 3 years ago. The installation is very straight forward and the calibration can be completed with a few tank fulls. George May 601XL912s--------72 hours >From: "alex_001" >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? >Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 01:46:35 -0700 > > >i would like to install a fuel flow gauge for my 601xl with 912s and look >for any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? > >thanks > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111762#111762 > > _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live Hotmail. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:21 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Lightening Hole Tolerance From: "Kafka, Jeff" Regarding the acceptable tolerance of lightening holes, it would seem to me that the important thing would be to not oversize them, and to have the centers properly aligned. If they are too small there is a weight penalty, but not a structural one, I would think. As pointed out there is a lot of room for imprecision when using a stick with a slot in it for flanging. Jeff Kafka 601XL Plans Tail, Flaps, Ailerons, Center Spar Done Working on Outboard Wing Spars Do Not Archive This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:20 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? From: "N601RT" I'm very happy with the fuel flow gauge/function in my Grand Rapids Technologies Engine Information System. The accuracy was very close with the initial calibration and is spot on after a small adjustment. Most (all?) the fuel flow gauges use the same FloScan sender. I've read that it is important to have six inch straight lengths before and after the sender. Also recommend to have the sender after filter, pumps and to have fuel flow "up hill" slightly after leaving the sensor. On cross country flights where I want to maximize the range I run one or two tanks dry and know to within a few minutes of when a tank will be empty. (N601RT has two 11 gallon leading edge tanks and a 7.5 gallon right side wing locker tank) Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 723hrs, 844 landings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111920#111920 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:41 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Distance of Left and Right wing to rear reference point From: "eddies" Thanks to eveyone who replied, I'll have another go at this again this weekend. I'll lower the tail as suggested to set the spar at 0 degress and check the wing angle, I'll post some photo's and comments on my website. http://www.mykitlog.com/eddieseve Best Regards, Eddie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111923#111923 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:10 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: warp v. wood props It seems few people buy the exact prop they need as the purpose changes depending on where they go. I'd recommend the Warp because very minor adjustments yield considerable performance differences between climb and cruise. Short landing and takeoffs etc. The fixed prop is not a way I'd want to go. I don't think there's any reason to try to guess on this one. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com with 70" tri-blade Warp Drive. do not archive john butterfield wrote: > > hi list > i am going to order my prop and am wondering what are > the advantages of wooden prop and warp drive props. > it appears that WW is now selling both \\. > > what are your thoughts. > regards > john butterfield > 601XL, corvair > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:27 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: warp v. wood props When looking at ground adjustable props don't forget that Sensenich now offers one for Jabiru and Rotax and Subaru: www.sensenichprop.com/sen_html/carbon_faq-6-061306.pdf www.sensenichprop.com/sen_html/comp-ac-cf-rev-1.pdf -- Craig ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:27 PM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: RE: Zenith-List: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? I've not used any of the fuel senders mentioned. However, a Navman transducer was use in a VariEze that caught fire in flight, resulting a fatal crash in Canada. See: http://www.cozybuilders.org/Glenn_Saunders/Use_Of_Non-Aircraft_Parts.pdf The Navman manufacturer stated that the unit was for marine use, not aviation use. Evidence is inconclusive. However, I'd recommend that any builder read the report before installing the Navman in an aircraft. Terry Phillips At 03:17 PM 5/9/2007 -0400, you wrote: >Alex-- > You can check out both Stratomaster and Dynon. I'm running the Dynon on > my 601XL and am hapy with it. Or if you are looking for a stand alone > unit, I've used a Navman 2100 for the last few years in a kitfox. You > can check out this link: > http://www.discount-marine.co.nz/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=130&products_id=3031 > >If you shop around you might be able to get it for a little less. I think >I paid about $95 3 years ago. >The installation is very straight forward and the calibration can be >completed with a few tank fulls. > >George May >601XL912s--------72 hours > > >>From: "alex_001" >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Zenith-List: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? >>Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 01:46:35 -0700 >> >> >>i would like to install a fuel flow gauge for my 601xl with 912s and look >>for any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? >> >>thanks > >Terry Phillips >ttp44~at~rkymtn.net >Corvallis MT >Just starting a 601 kit ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:52 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? From: "Gig Giacona" Interesting reading. Let's see if I have this straight. The engine installation, which was the first time that engine was installed in that airframe, was flying illegally and somebody wants to blame the fuel flow sensor because that was pretty much the only piece of the wreckage they could identify. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111951#111951 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:10 PM PST US From: "george may" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: any advise for a fuel flow gauge ? > >>"I've not used any of the fuel senders mentioned. However, a Navman >transducer was use in a VariEze that caught fire in flight, resulting a >fatal crash in Canada." I probably should have mentioned that the transducer for the Navman I used in my Kitfox was/is mounted in the cockpit and suspended to relieve any stress on the unit ends---not in the engine compartment for the above indicated reason. 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