---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/20/07: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: Tire Pressure (Robin Bellach) 2. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Tire Pressure (Dave Austin) 3. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: Tire Pressure (wade jones) 4. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: Tire Pressure (wade jones) 5. 10:29 AM - Re: Questions (Gig Giacona) 6. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Questions (n787xl@aol.com) 7. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Tire Pressure (robert stone) 8. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Questions (Kevin L. Rupert) 9. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Questions (n787xl@aol.com) 10. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: Tire Pressure (Bryan Martin) 11. 07:32 PM - Re: wing baggage fastenerswing baggage fasteners (Dave Thompson) 12. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: Tire Pressure (wade jones) 13. 09:00 PM - Re: Tire Pressure (David X) 14. 09:25 PM - Re: Re: Questions (David Mikesell) 15. 09:50 PM - Re: Re: Questions (n787xl@aol.com) 16. 10:31 PM - Help for Zenith 601 and corvair builders (William Clapp) 17. 11:16 PM - Re: Help for Zenith 601 and corvair builders (TxDave) 18. 11:34 PM - Re: Questions (TxDave) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:57 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure That may work as a last resort if you have no better information, would be no help if you have tires like the ZAC supplied Condors that have no pressure to read on the side. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David X" Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:31 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure > > Duh! Read the recommended tire pressure on the side of the tire. The > aircraft does have suspension, afterall. > > -------- > Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113816#113816 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:11 AM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure Tire pressure on the tire side is MAX pressure. 20lbs does my 601 about right. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure > > That may work as a last resort if you have no better information, would be > no help if you have tires like the ZAC supplied Condors that have no > pressure to read on the side. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David X" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:31 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure > > >> >> Duh! Read the recommended tire pressure on the side of the tire. The >> aircraft does have suspension, afterall. >> >> -------- >> Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113816#113816 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:41 AM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure Dave that sounds about right for pressure .I fly a Sonerai and it gets very hard to handle with say over 25# .My Piper Tripacer uses 22# mains & 15# nose .I have been flying this Sonerai for 30 years and I think I know what is best for this plane at 600# .I once had a high time pilot call me about why he was having trouble flying a recently bought Sonerai .I suggested for him to use the minimum pressure that he could get by with .This cured his problem enough that he started air racing his Sonerai in the "V" class . I flew my Sonerai yesterday and today already ,makes an old man feel good .Making good progress on the 601XL . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Austin" Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:41 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure > > Tire pressure on the tire side is MAX pressure. 20lbs does my 601 about > right. > Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure > > >> >> That may work as a last resort if you have no better information, would >> be no help if you have tires like the ZAC supplied Condors that have no >> pressure to read on the side. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David X" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:31 PM >> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure >> >> >>> >>> Duh! Read the recommended tire pressure on the side of the tire. The >>> aircraft does have suspension, afterall. >>> >>> -------- >>> Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S >>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113816#113816 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:05 AM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure Correction the 600# is empty weight . DO NOT ARCHIVE Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "wade jones" Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure > > Dave that sounds about right for pressure .I fly a Sonerai and it gets > very hard to handle with say over 25# .My Piper Tripacer uses 22# mains & > 15# nose .I have been flying this Sonerai for 30 years and I think I know > what is best for this plane at 600# .I once had a high time pilot call me > about why he was having trouble flying a recently bought Sonerai .I > suggested for him to use the minimum pressure that he could get by with > .This cured his problem enough that he started air racing his Sonerai in > the "V" class . I flew my Sonerai yesterday and today already ,makes an > old man feel good .Making good progress on the 601XL . > Wade Jones South Texas > 601XL plans building > Cont. 0200 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Austin" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:41 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure > > >> >> Tire pressure on the tire side is MAX pressure. 20lbs does my 601 about >> right. >> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:49 AM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure >> >> >>> >>> That may work as a last resort if you have no better information, would >>> be no help if you have tires like the ZAC supplied Condors that have no >>> pressure to read on the side. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David X" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:31 PM >>> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Duh! Read the recommended tire pressure on the side of the tire. The >>>> aircraft does have suspension, afterall. >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S >>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113816#113816 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:53 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Questions From: "Gig Giacona" The quick answer is it is doubtful that they all had the same engine. One was an AMD built SLSA and the other two EXP-AB. joe(at)kfiz.com wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have a few questions and a comment: > > I'm not sure how you guys do the FAA data base searches, but is there a way > to look for something that is common to all 4 accident airplanes, such as > type of engine, 2 or 3 blade prop, wing baggage compartment, etc? > Conventional stick or mid stick? If all 4 had the same engine, is it > possible that at a certain RPM it sets up a vibration of some sort? Is it > possible to to overcontrol the airplane using a center stick? Is the > wreckage still available for inspection and can we hire someone with > credentials to go out and look at it? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113856#113856 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Questions From: n787xl@aol.com Everyone Because the 601xl has no provision to counterbalance the ailerons as 90% of the production aircraft do that use cables to actuate the ailerons, they have a fairly large danger of aileron flutter, Especially if the cables are not tight. Ref: EAA Article "Control Surface Fllutter Problems" by Tony Bingelis, Sport Aviation 7/78. Check it out. JES 601xl builder. -----Original Message----- From: wr.giacona@suddenlink.net To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sun, 20 May 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Questions The quick answer is it is doubtful that they all had the same engine. One was an AMD built SLSA and the other two EXP-AB. joe(at)kfiz.com wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have a few questions and a comment: > > I'm not sure how you guys do the FAA data base searches, but is there a way > to look for something that is common to all 4 accident airplanes, such as > type of engine, 2 or 3 blade prop, wing baggage compartment, etc? > Conventional stick or mid stick? If all 4 had the same engine, is it > possible that at a certain RPM it sets up a vibration of some sort? Is it > possible to to overcontrol the airplane using a center stick? Is the > wreckage still available for inspection and can we hire someone with > credentials to go out and look at it? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113856#113856 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:29 PM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure Wade, I think you have lolved my problem, I have been learning to fly my ZodiacXL ever since it's completion and all is going well except the landings. After reading your post about air pressure in the tires of a light aircraft, I am convinced that the 25 pounds I have in my tires is the reason I am having so much trouble landing. The nexzt time I fly, I am going to reduce the pressure down to 20 pounds in all three and see if this causes my landings to inprove. I will let you know what the outcome is. Tracy Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "wade jones" Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure > > Dave that sounds about right for pressure .I fly a Sonerai and it gets > very hard to handle with say over 25# .My Piper Tripacer uses 22# mains & > 15# nose .I have been flying this Sonerai for 30 years and I think I know > what is best for this plane at 600# .I once had a high time pilot call me > about why he was having trouble flying a recently bought Sonerai .I > suggested for him to use the minimum pressure that he could get by with > .This cured his problem enough that he started air racing his Sonerai in > the "V" class . I flew my Sonerai yesterday and today already ,makes an > old man feel good .Making good progress on the 601XL . > Wade Jones South Texas > 601XL plans building > Cont. 0200 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Austin" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:41 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure > > >> >> Tire pressure on the tire side is MAX pressure. 20lbs does my 601 about >> right. >> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:49 AM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure >> >> >>> >>> That may work as a last resort if you have no better information, would >>> be no help if you have tires like the ZAC supplied Condors that have no >>> pressure to read on the side. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David X" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:31 PM >>> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Duh! Read the recommended tire pressure on the side of the tire. The >>>> aircraft does have suspension, afterall. >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S >>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113816#113816 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:58 PM PST US From: "Kevin L. Rupert" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Questions Then every high wing Cessna in the world, not to mention high wing Pipers, have the same problem. Get over it people! Stop looking for a problem that doesn't exist. You're not building the friggin' Shuttle here! K.L. Rupert A&P/IA 601XL Builder ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Questions From: n787xl@aol.com KLR High wing Cessnas are counter balanced, see back of aileron, all low wing pipers are, I can't speak to High wing Pipers. All RV's are and haven't tried to look at others. All I hope to do is to get people to look at the literature which clearly calls for balancing. If you don't want to get educated so be it. Congrads on your A&P and IA. I will not bore you on my collection, its not necessary or cool. JES RV6A builder and flying 601XL builder -----Original Message----- From: klr12@psu.edu To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sun, 20 May 2007 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Questions Then every high wing Cessna in the world, not to mention high wing Pipers, have the same problem. Get over it people! Stop looking for a problem that doesn't exist. You're not building the friggin' Shuttle here! K.L. Rupert A&P/IA 601XL Builder ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:04 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure The pressure printed on the side of a tire is not the recommended pressure, it is the maximum pressure at the maximum load the tire is designed for. The recommended pressure will depend on the actual load on the tire. For instance, the tires on my truck have 60 psi printed on them but if I were to put that much pressure in them I would be bouncing all over the road every time I hit a small bump. The recommended pressure of 34 psi for gross weight is printed on a sticker on the driver's side door frame and gives a much safer ride. Those who have suggested a pressure of about 20 psi for the 5 X 5 tires on the 601XL are in the right ball park. David X wrote: > > Duh! Read the recommended tire pressure on the side of the tire. The aircraft does have suspension, afterall. > > -------- > Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S -- Bryan Martin Zenith 601XL N61BM Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:36 PM PST US From: "Dave Thompson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: wing baggage fastenerswing baggage fasteners Randy wrote: John Someone posted an idea for this awhile back that seemed to work pretty good. It involved making some plastic washers to push on to the Duzs fasteners. Get a plastic milk carton or similar. I used some oil bottles. Find a piece of tubing around 3/4 diameter. I had a piece of copper laying around. It worked but had to be dressed up every 3 or 4 punches. I used the belt sander to sharpen the end, then punched out several disks of the plastic bottle. Find a piece of steel at least 1/8" thick that you can drill a 1/4" hole into. Center the disk over the hole and use a 1/4" drift punch to punch the center hole into the disk. Or just use a paper punch. They will be a bit tight to install, but you won't have to worry about them falling out anymore. Randy Stout San Antonio TX www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 n282rs at satx.rr.com John, I have a rather large set of round punches that I use for leatherworking. I would be glad to loan them to you. What sizes do you need? Write or call me if you like and we can get together. Besides, I'd like to see what progress you have done since the last time I came by. Do not archive Dave Thompson Westminster, CA 714-334-3833 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:04 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure Tracy I hope you get your landings worked out ,I am sure you will .We all know that landings are easier with a reduced tire pressure ,however it goes without saying that you must maintain a safe pressure . I fly off my grass strip and when I make a bad landing I never know it due to the wheel slippage over the grass .Hard pavement landings are much more demanding for me . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert stone" Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure > > Wade, > I think you have lolved my problem, I have been learning to fly my > ZodiacXL ever since it's completion and all is going well except the > landings. After reading your post about air pressure in the tires of a > light aircraft, I am convinced that the 25 pounds I have in my tires is > the reason I am having so much trouble landing. The nexzt time I fly, I > am going to reduce the pressure down to 20 pounds in all three and see if > this causes my landings to inprove. I will let you know what the outcome > is. > > Tracy Stone > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wade jones" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:02 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure > > >> >> Dave that sounds about right for pressure .I fly a Sonerai and it gets >> very hard to handle with say over 25# .My Piper Tripacer uses 22# mains & >> 15# nose .I have been flying this Sonerai for 30 years and I think I know >> what is best for this plane at 600# .I once had a high time pilot call me >> about why he was having trouble flying a recently bought Sonerai .I >> suggested for him to use the minimum pressure that he could get by with >> .This cured his problem enough that he started air racing his Sonerai in >> the "V" class . I flew my Sonerai yesterday and today already ,makes an >> old man feel good .Making good progress on the 601XL . >> Wade Jones South Texas >> 601XL plans building >> Cont. 0200 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Austin" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:41 AM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure >> >> >>> >>> Tire pressure on the tire side is MAX pressure. 20lbs does my 601 about >>> right. >>> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:49 AM >>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure >>> >>> >>>> <601zv@ritternet.com> >>>> >>>> That may work as a last resort if you have no better information, would >>>> be no help if you have tires like the ZAC supplied Condors that have no >>>> pressure to read on the side. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "David X" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:31 PM >>>> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Duh! Read the recommended tire pressure on the side of the tire. The >>>>> aircraft does have suspension, afterall. >>>>> >>>>> -------- >>>>> Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S >>>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113816#113816 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:09 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Tire Pressure From: "David X" Mine are set for 35 psi as per the manufacture recommendation. There is a lot of talk about how the lower tire pressure makes for softer landings etc. If you're landing on grass or gravel, then perhaps the lower pressure might help reduce the chances of digging in on soft ground. But if your landing on ashfault or cement, let the suspension do the job instead. Keep in mind that the lower tire pressure adds to the take-off roll, which is why I keep mine at the upper end. There is a significant difference between a marginally inflated tire and a full one when trying to get up to take-off speed. -------- Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113932#113932 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:11 PM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Questions I really and truely hope that is A&P/IA really isn't saying that Cessna and Piper control surfaces are not balanced! Please tell me I am misreading this post!!!!!!!! David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-224-4485 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: n787xl@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Questions KLR High wing Cessnas are counter balanced, see back of aileron, all low wing pipers are, I can't speak to High wing Pipers. All RV's are and haven't tried to look at others. All I hope to do is to get people to look at the literature which clearly calls for balancing. If you don't want to get educated so be it. Congrads on your A&P and IA. I will not bore you on my collection, its not necessary or cool. JES RV6A builder and flying 601XL builder -----Original Message----- From: klr12@psu.edu To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sun, 20 May 2007 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Questions Then every high wing Cessna in the world, not to mention high wing Pipers, have the same problem. Get over it people! Stop looking for a problem that doesn't exist. You're not building the friggin' Shuttle here! K.L. Rupert A&P/IA 601XL Builder ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Questions From: n787xl@aol.com Scary huh!! I think he was serious. Makes you want to build an experimental doesn't it so you can inspect your own. Thank God they are not all that way. Unbalanced control surfaces are not good, especially when cable driven. James Schultz Placerville, CA 530 621-1301 -----Original Message----- From: skyguynca@skyguynca.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sun, 20 May 2007 9:25 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Questions I really and truely hope that is A&P/IA really isn't saying that Cessna and Piper control surfaces are not balanced! Please tell me I am misreading this post!!!!!!!! David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-224-4485 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: n787xl@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Questions KLR High wing Cessnas are counter balanced, see back of aileron, all low wing pipers are, I can't speak to High wing Pipers. All RV's are and haven't tried to look at others. All I hope to do is to get people to look at the literature which clearly calls for balancing. If you don't want to get educated so be it. Congrads on your A&P and IA. I will not bore you on my collection, its not necessary or cool. JES RV6A builder and flying 601XL builder -----Original Message----- From: klr12@psu.edu To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sun, 20 May 2007 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Questions Then every high wing Cessna in the world, not to mention high wing Pipers, have the same problem. Get over it people! Stop looking for a problem that doesn't exist. You're not building the friggin' Shuttle here! K.L. Rupert A&P/IA 601XL Builder href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:29 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Help for Zenith 601 and corvair builders From: "William Clapp" This is my first post to this site and I would like to welcome you to visit my web site (not finished yet) at www.billclapp.com. You may find some information there that would be useful for you as a Zenith builder and pilot. Since my work with Flycorvair .com and KRs has grown I have been starting to expand into helping the Zenith market as well. I hope to be able to help you all in what I can. Thank you....Bill Clapp -------- Check out my web site - see if I can help you in your dreams.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113940#113940 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:48 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Help for Zenith 601 and corvair builders From: "TxDave" Thanks for offering your help, Bill. When I first began contemplating building an airplane, photos and stories of your beautiful KR helped inspire me to get off my duff and start building. do not archive Dave Clay Temple, TX http://www.daves601xl.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113941#113941 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:37 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Questions From: "TxDave" Gee!! I wonder how that factory demo plane has survived all these years without balanced ailerons. I guess the Heintz family has just been lucky, huh? I know...maybe we should call and warn them they're flying a death trap! (SERIOUS SARCASM INTENDED) "A Brief Note from Zenith Aircraft Company: We are pleased to report that our red and white factory demonstrator Zodiac XL (N9601Z) is now six years old and has logged over 1,000 hours. The aircraft has crisscrossed the United States dozens of times through all kinds of conditions. We fly well over 300 demo flights per year in this aircraft; that's over 1,800 passengers over the last 6 years. Additionally, over 15,000 people have taken a seat in this aircraft over the years at different shows and fly-ins, as well as at the factory. The plane flies as well today as it did when it was new; we feel very fortunate being the kit manufacturer for such a fine aircraft. The fact that our demo plane still looks and performs as well as it does is a testament to the design's integrity and robustness." 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