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1. 03:52 AM - Re: 601XL Fuselage build before wings (ashontz)
2. 05:13 AM - Rivets (Kevin L. Rupert)
3. 05:25 AM - Re: Rivets (DaveG601XL)
4. 06:33 AM - Re: Re: Rivets (Kevin L. Rupert)
5. 06:46 AM - For Swap or sale (AVIIDFLYIER@aol.com)
6. 06:59 AM - Re: Builder in Dallas Area with Wings Complete? 601XL (BobTezyk)
7. 07:19 AM - Re: Rivets (DaveG601XL)
8. 07:19 AM - Re: More Press Coverage on G-YOXI (Paul Tipton)
9. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: Rivets (Larry Winger)
10. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Rivets (Larry Winger)
11. 07:54 AM - Can I bend a cabin frame? (Tony Bonsell)
12. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Rivets (Kevin L. Rupert)
13. 08:50 AM - 601XL tube frames (wade jones)
14. 09:41 AM - Re: Can I bend a cabin frame? (MacDonald Doug)
15. 11:40 AM - Re: 601XL tube frames (Herbert Heaton)
16. 11:52 AM - Re: 601XL tube frames (LarryMcFarland)
17. 12:11 PM - Re: 601XL tube frames (Craig Payne)
18. 12:55 PM - Re: 601XL tube frames (wade jones)
19. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: Rivets (David Downey)
20. 05:47 PM - Re: Crash (Tim Juhl)
21. 06:12 PM - Gear Questions (Michael Valentine)
22. 06:53 PM - Re: Gear Questions (Aaron Gustafson)
23. 07:05 PM - Re: Gear Questions (kevinbonds)
24. 07:51 PM - Re: Crash (rgeese)
25. 09:03 PM - Re: Gear Questions (Edward Moody II)
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuselage build before wings |
I;m roughly at the same stage.
do not archive
Ron Lendon wrote:
> Andy,
>
> Here is the process I followed so far. Make all the forms first. Made the rudder,
Stabilizer, Elevator w/trim tab, Made all the ribs for the Flaps and Ailerons,
Form & Skin the flaps, Trim & Form all wing nose ribs, Form & Skin the
Aileron, Form & trim all rear wing ribs, Layed out one wing spar web but made
two (had them stacked), (Used the spar webs as the drilling template for the
spar caps and cap angles, made both wing spars.), Made the Center Spars, Set
Dihedral, Form both fuel tanks, Build up the left wing skeleton, Make both left
and right top & bottom wing skins, The left wing is on the table and nearing
completion. The right one will go a lot faster because much less going on inside
it and many of the parts are already made.
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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Guys,
Can anybody tell me the length of the dash 5 rivets used in the spar? I
have been tasked with ordering them and my plans are at my son's house
200 mi. away.
Thanks
Kevin
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I have attached the rivet spec from Avex.
Good luck,
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David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
working on fueslage.
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Thanks Dave but I need the size of the solid AN470's used in the spar
caps. I've already got my Avex rivets but neglected to get the solid rivets.
Kevin
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| Subject: | For Swap or sale |
I think building the STOL CH-701 is just too long a project. I have the
tail feathers finished and the left wing 98% done. The fuel tanks are ready to
be installed.
Write me off line (_aviidflyier@aol.com_ (mailto:aviidflyier@aol.com) ) and
lets talk sale or swap...trade etc. approximately $7,000 invested...willing
to work with you. Must see no shipping. The parts are in my Shop and in the
way. I will consider 1 1/2 inch scale locomotive, 750 CC Honda motorcycle,
small crawler tractor, Travel trailer...etc write first call later.
Thomas H. Knox, DMD
3401 Main Street
Tarboro, NC 27886
Tarboro is 1/2 half way between NY and FL. Exit 143 Rocky Mount NC.
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Builder in Dallas Area with Wings Complete? 601XL |
Hi John,
I have a quick build kit with the wings half assembled at the factory. I have
not uncrated them yet but if you don't mind helping me do that you are welcome
to look.
I am a road warrior and only get home every other weekend. My next time home is
June 1-3. I am located in Midlothian, 22 miles south of Dallas.
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Regards,
Bob Tezyk
N78QT - 601XL QB/ Jab3300
Started on elevator
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DUH! I should have read your note better.
Per the drawing 6-W-3 Dated 04/05, I see the following:
Spar Cap & Doubler (top and bottom) AN470-AD-6-14, 142 required
Top and bottom between stiffeners AN470-AD-5-9, 144 required
Top and bottom through hat stiffeners AN470-AD-5-10, 32 required
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David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
working on fueslage.
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| Subject: | Re: More Press Coverage on G-YOXI |
Zenith and Czech Aircraft Works have parted company... seemed to be a
mutual deal, since CZAW was designing and producing there own planes.
http://www.airplane.cz/zenair.htm
CH 701, 321PT, Czech built
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Kevin,
In the example of a rivet marked AN-470-AD-5-9, here is the code.
AN = Army Navy
470 = Head type
AD = Material type (in this case 2117 T4)
5 = Shank diameter in 32nds of an inch (in this case 5/32nds diameter)
9 = Length in 16ths of an inch (in this case 9/16ths length)
In the case of a 470 universal head, which we use, the length is measured
from the end of the shank to the base of the head.
For the record, page 27 of the new Zenith Construction Standards manual (a
very helpful document, by the way) has the length and diameter reversed in
their example at the top of the page.
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL/Corvair
On 5/24/07, Kevin L. Rupert <klr12@psu.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Dave but I need the size of the solid AN470's used in the spar
> caps. I've already got my Avex rivets but neglected to get the solid
> rivets.
>
> Kevin
>
>
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Kevin,
One last thing. Here is the link to the Aircraft Spruce online catalog page
for solid rivets.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/solidalumrivets.php
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
Scratch building 601XL/Corvair
Control surfaces complete/2nd wing spar 80% done
On 5/24/07, Kevin L. Rupert <klr12@psu.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Dave but I need the size of the solid AN470's used in the spar
> caps. I've already got my Avex rivets but neglected to get the solid
> rivets.
>
> Kevin
>
>
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| Subject: | Can I bend a cabin frame? |
Hi Guys
Having a bit of a problem here. I'm at the stage of joining the front and
rear fuse with the cabin frame on my 701. I've got the engine mount in place
too. Everything seems to be working out well, except for the fact that one
of the front legs of the factory frame is out of alignment, confirmed by
taking diagonal measurements of both sides when apart. It's actually pulling
the fuse in at the front on the one side, throwing off the extensions at the
firewall and making the front fuse side bend out of alignment. I've checked
and rechecked with digital level, water level and laser levels, so I know
I'm not in error. And to get it in it's proper place I'll have to force it
slightly, which I know puts stress on the weld, which is bad.
So I'm wondering if I can bend it out somehow. Can I do a gradual heating
with a propane torch? At the weld, or away from it? Am I crazy to even try?
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Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF
Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications
535 Cragg Road, RR #3
Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3
Voice: 905.852.3848
http://www.luxuria.com
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Thanks All,
I have what I need and the rivets are ordered.
Kevin
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| Subject: | 601XL tube frames |
Hello group ,when plans building are the tube frames 6-B-21-1 & 6-B-21-2
difficult to bend .My plan is to build the form per plans and try to
match the form while bending . Any suggestions . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: Can I bend a cabin frame? |
Tony, I am scratch building my CH-701. I had my cabin
frame dialed in perfect until I finish welded the
joints. The torch heat threw the uprights out quite a
bit. I found it was fairly simple to tweak it back
into shape. A bit of heat from a propane torch should
be enough for you since the material is so thin. You
should be able to get a nice red glow. I would be
careful to not colapse anything or create any stress
risers.
You might want to touch base with Mark or David at
Can-Zac just to be sure but I think you will find it
pretty easy to fix.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
Fuse on the gear
Starting the wings tonight.
NW Ontario, Canada
--- Tony Bonsell <tbonsell@luxuria.com> wrote:
> <tbonsell@luxuria.com>
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> Hi Guys
>
> Having a bit of a problem here. I'm at the stage of
> joining the front and
> rear fuse with the cabin frame on my 701. I've got
> the engine mount in place
> too. Everything seems to be working out well, except
> for the fact that one
> of the front legs of the factory frame is out of
> alignment,
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| Subject: | 601XL tube frames |
Wade,
I'm going to try to bend my frames today. I traced the coordinates on a
large piece of paper and will use that for a visual reference. I have a
conduit bender that I am going to try. I put a layer of inner tube rubber
inside the groove to keep from marking the tubing. I think by making small
bends every inch or so, I should be able to make a usable part.
Herb,
Colorado Springs, CO
>From: "wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL tube frames
>Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:49:10 -0500
>
>Hello group ,when plans building are the tube frames 6-B-21-1 & 6-B-21-2
>difficult to bend .My plan is to build the form per plans and try to match
>the form while bending . Any suggestions . Thanks
>Wade Jones South Texas
>601XL plans building
>Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL tube frames |
Hi Wade,
You can bend the tubes very accurately if you fill and pack them with
fine sand, cap them with a wooden plug
and set up a simple bend apparatus of clamps, a piece of square tube and
small rigid steel casters.
You work on a table, using it as the jig, trace the form you want on the
table just in front of the bend area and
do a little at a time. You can also bend your top longerons this way
and remove a little bend the same way.
See links
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/frontbowbend.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/frontbowadjust.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/fuselage/full/longeronbender.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/fuselage/full/longeronbend.gif
Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com
wade jones wrote:
> Hello group ,when plans building are the tube frames 6-B-21-1 &
> 6-B-21-2 difficult to bend .My plan is to build the form per plans and
> try to match the form while bending . Any suggestions . Thanks
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL plans building
> Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | 601XL tube frames |
The attached photos show how I did it (based on Larry McFarland's approach).
As Larry said, pack them with sand. Also buy the tubes about 2 feet longer
that the finished part to give you some leverage when making the initial
bend by hand around your form block. For the tighter part of the curve
towards the ends I use a smaller radius work block (not shown) of about 5
inch radius.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL tube frames |
Thanks to all of you for the ideas for tube bending .And Larry I used
your method for bending the longerons and it worked great .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL tube frames
The attached photos show how I did it (based on Larry McFarland's
approach). As Larry said, pack them with sand. Also buy the tubes about
2 feet longer that the finished part to give you some leverage when
making the initial bend by hand around your form block. For the tighter
part of the curve towards the ends I use a smaller radius work block
(not shown) of about 5 inch radius.
-- Craig
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please forgive me if I amway off track here but the Spar assembly is mostly MS20470AD
rivets - not Avex.
I have attached the rivet spec from Avex.
Good luck,
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David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
working on fueslage.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114522#114522
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/avex_rivets_spec_201.pdf
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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>From NTSB
On May 21, 2007, about 0736 central daylight time, an experimental amateur-built
Wood Vans RV7A, N7259N, sustained substantial damage on impact with a runway
sign during landing and with terrain during a go around from runway 27 at the
Union County Airport, near Marysville, Ohio.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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Going through the archives, there still seems to be very little about
alternative landing gear. So, I will ask again...! Does anyone have some
specific experience to share regarding installing either Grove gear or the
composite gear? Speaking of which, I can't actually find Grove gear for the
601 - the sites only seem to list gear for the 701. Specifically, what
Grove gear are people installing?
BTW, I spoke with the factory and they said that although they are exploring
the composite gear, it is only going to be offered to European customers.
Has anyone here actually installed the composite gear from Aircraft Spruce
(NK-03A-550 -- 601XL)?
Thanks, Michael in NH
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Questions |
I have some answers if you email me direct agustafson at chartermi.net
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I would be interested in those answers as well. Could you email the group?
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Plans building.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gustafson
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gear Questions
I have some answers if you email me direct agustafson at chartermi.net
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Yes, it was an RV-7A. He flew down the 4200' runway at 10' agl then hit a rwy sign
at the departure end, apparently causing some damage to the gear and control
cables. He gained some altitude, then slowly spiraled into the ground. The
strange question is why he flew the length of the rwy without landing on a calm
early morning.
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Questions |
I'm guessing that you spoke to them more recently than I did but a few
months ago when the European factory built 601XLs showed up with the
composite main gear, I asked the factory about availability of the
composite gear for a kit in progress (mine). They told me then that the
gear would eventually be available for the 601XL kits but they had no
firm timeline.
Dred
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Valentine
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:08 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Gear Questions
Going through the archives, there still seems to be very little about
alternative landing gear. So, I will ask again...! Does anyone have
some specific experience to share regarding installing either Grove gear
or the composite gear? Speaking of which, I can't actually find Grove
gear for the 601 - the sites only seem to list gear for the 701.
Specifically, what Grove gear are people installing?
BTW, I spoke with the factory and they said that although they are
exploring the composite gear, it is only going to be offered to European
customers. Has anyone here actually installed the composite gear from
Aircraft Spruce (NK-03A-550 -- 601XL)?
Thanks, Michael in NH
601XL
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