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1. 03:27 AM - Re: Gear Questions (David Downey)
2. 06:55 AM - Grove gear (DAVID MILLER)
3. 06:57 AM - Ch-701 wings kit for sale (AVIIDFLYIER@aol.com)
4. 07:04 AM - Grove gear (DAVID MILLER)
5. 07:45 AM - 601HD canopy (Bob Duns)
6. 08:43 AM - Grove Gear for 601XL (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
7. 08:53 AM - 601XL Empty weights (Tim Juhl)
8. 10:29 AM - FW: Composite Landing Gear (kevinbonds)
9. 11:39 AM - Re: Grove Gear for 601XL (John Bolding)
10. 02:14 PM - XL Upper rudder Hinge instalation (chris Sinfield)
11. 03:09 PM - Re: XL Upper rudder Hinge instalation (Michael Valentine)
12. 03:10 PM - Re: 601XL Empty weights (T. Graziano)
13. 03:30 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Empty weights (Juan Vega)
14. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Empty weights (kevinbonds)
15. 05:12 PM - Re: XL Upper rudder Hinge instalation (T. Graziano)
16. 05:23 PM - Re: 601HD canopy (George Swinford)
17. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Empty weights (Phil Maxson)
18. 06:07 PM - Aileron trim (Darryl Legg)
19. 06:10 PM - Grove Gear Note (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
20. 06:16 PM - Re: Aileron trim (Michael Valentine)
21. 06:21 PM - a Polish 601 (LarryMcFarland)
22. 06:29 PM - Re: Aileron trim (Dave Austin)
23. 08:44 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Empty weights (Randy)
24. 09:48 PM - Re: Gear Questions (BobTezyk)
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Questions |
Michael;
I believe that the gear at ACS is 2 piece. This would be a redesign for the adventuresome,
with complicated bending and load transfer considerations.
Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com> wrote: Going through the archives, there
still seems to be very little about alternative landing gear. So, I will
ask again...! Does anyone have some specific experience to share regarding installing
either Grove gear or the composite gear? Speaking of which, I can't
actually find Grove gear for the 601 - the sites only seem to list gear for the
701. Specifically, what Grove gear are people installing?
BTW, I spoke with the factory and they said that although they are exploring the
composite gear, it is only going to be offered to European customers. Has anyone
here actually installed the composite gear from Aircraft Spruce (NK-03A-550
-- 601XL)?
Thanks, Michael in NH
601XL
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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Dear David Miller :
Please review the attached estimate. Feel free to contact us if you have any
questions.
We look forward to working with you.
Sincerely,
Gail Austin
Grove Aircraft Landing Gear Systems, Inc.
619-562-1268
To view your estimate
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| Subject: | Ch-701 wings kit for sale |
I think building the STOL CH-701 is just too long a project. I have the
tail feathers finished and the left wing 98% done. The fuel tanks are ready to
be installed. I did not purchase the entire kit at once.
Write me off line (_aviidflyier@aol.com_ (mailto:aviidflyier@aol.com) ) and
lets talk sale or swap...trade etc. approximately $7,000 invested...willing
to work with you. Must see no shipping. The parts are in my Shop and in the
way. I will consider 1 1/2 inch scale locomotive, 750 CC Honda motorcycle,
small crawler tractor, Travel trailer...etc write first call later.
Thomas H. Knox, DMD
3401 Main Street
Tarboro, NC 27886
Tarboro is 1/2 half way between NY and FL. Exit 143 Rocky Mount NC.
Thomas H. Knox, DMD
3401 Main Street
Tarboro, NC 27886
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Attached is the estimate I got from Grove for their gear. It's not listed
on their site although, it is my understanding that they are now supplying
gears for the AMD factory built airplanes.
Dave
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I am slowly completing construction of 601HD from a kit and am at point of installing
the side-opening canopy that came with the kit. Before beginning assembly
I would like to research the pros and cons of a front opening canopy. I know
that George Pinneo (Zenair News #111 and #116) and others have developed front
opening canopies for the HD. I would like to know George's and others comments
from their experiences with the modified front opening canopy. I would
not be interested in the XL type of canopy as it requires modification of the
front fuselage. Research of the archives has provided some assistance but any
other comments would be appreciated.
Bob Duns
Melfort, SK
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| Subject: | Grove Gear for 601XL |
I have the Grove gear for my 601XL/TD in the living room, not installed
yet. I ordered it from the factory with the gun-drilling and I have to
say, "They are a work of art." Especially compared to the factory gear,
which is about 15 lbs heavier. They are 4.5" wide and .875 thick across
the flat, while the legs are tapered.
They make them with a multi-step process from 7075, which involves
cutting the blank and doing the gun-drilling and machining for the
axles, annealing and primary bending, 1/2 heat treating, secondary
bending, final heat treating and final cold check and touch-up. The
fore and aft edges are radiused in the leg part for lower drag without
needing full fairings. The factory finish is mill, but I have done a
wet sanding pass with 1200 on the legs and am sure they will polish up
really nicely.
I also ordered a pair of "radius blocks" from Grove which I will attach
to the gear brackets parallel to the centerline, which insure that the
gear does not torque load the fuselage and that the gear will deflect
straight along the axis when it bends. I plan to use the standard
rubber strip and bracket on the bottom.
Finally, the narrower width of the gear means that I will have some
leeway in fore-aft positioning to fine tune the take-off and landing
characteristics with regard to the final CG location. My plan is to use
temporary plywood blocks during the test phase and then replace them
with permanent aluminum when done.
FWIW,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | 601XL Empty weights |
What kind of empty weights are you 601XL builders seeing? Please indicate what
engine you installed and any equipment out of the ordinary.
Thanks!
Tim
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| Subject: | FW: Composite Landing Gear |
I received the reply below from zenith a little more than a week ago.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Plans building.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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-----Original Message-----
From: Zenith Aircraft [mailto:zenithair@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Zenith
Aircraft Co.
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: Composite Landing Gear
Kevin: We are using a lighter composite main gear spring on the new
European Zodiac XL, but this is engineered for an aircraft with 450 kg. (992
lbs.) gross weight. The narrower composite gear is similar to the aluminum
gear in design.
Zenith Aircraft Company
www.zenithair.com
> There was rumor that you guys are going to offer a composite
> landing gear soon. Is This true? What info do you have about
> it? Will it be like the CZAW one or the Aircraft Spruce one.
> I am at the point of needing the Main Gear Attachment Welded
> assembly.Will this part change? Will the gear channel
> dimensions change? Thicker materail? Do you have some
> preliminary drawings so that I will know what parts will change.
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grove Gear for 601XL |
I've got no dog in this hunt (thankfully) but let me interject something
into this thread. 7075-T651 is NOT a corrosion resistant alloy of
aluminum. I would LOVE to save 15# by using one of their gear but
cannot see it for something that's going on floats.
Chris made the 601/701/801 from 6061 for several reasons, one of them
was it's more corrosion resistant than 2024T3.
7075 is WORSE than 2024T3 in that regard.
Certainly this fact can be mitigated to a certain degree by proper
coatings and increased maintenance/inspection. The rear spar fittings
on my Glasair have been replaced twice due to intergranular corrosion, I
was told (by Glasair) they are 7075t6. Last go-round I welded some up
from 4130.
Not trying to talk anyone out of it or throw any rocks at a product,
just making a point that someone might not have considered.
LOW&SLOW John
I have the Grove gear for my 601XL/TD in the living room, not
installed yet. I ordered it from the factory with the gun-drilling and
I have to say, "They are a work of art." Especially compared to the
factory gear, which is about 15 lbs heavier. They are 4.5" wide and
.875 thick across the flat, while the legs are tapered.
They make them with a multi-step process from 7075,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
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| Subject: | XL Upper rudder Hinge instalation |
Hi
Just installing the top rudder bracket on my XL 6b2 -71but have just noticed that
there is no shim under the bracket between the 2 top rear Longerons. Does
it just get riveted onto them and the top triangle rear panel 6b3-6?
There is a 40 thou gap should this also have a shim just like the bottom hing between
the longerons?
Chris..
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| Subject: | Re: XL Upper rudder Hinge instalation |
I just did mine a couple months ago - I just left the gap. As it is pretty
narrow at that point, I didn't even give it a thought.
Michael in NH
On 5/25/07, chris Sinfield <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
>
> Hi
> Just installing the top rudder bracket on my XL 6b2 -71but have just
> noticed that there is no shim under the bracket between the 2 top rear
> Longerons. Does it just get riveted onto them and the top triangle rear
> panel 6b3-6?
>
> There is a 40 thou gap should this also have a shim just like the bottom
> hing between the longerons?
> Chris..
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114807#114807
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Empty weights |
Tim,
My empty XL weighed out at 799 Lbs with the CG at 290 mm.
It is probably a LOT heavier than a stock XL as I have 600x6
tires/wheels/brakes all around (nose fork from a 801), dual aux tanks &
gauges, dual sticks, dual brakes, ldg/taxi/position lights/strobes plus
EFIS, AS & Alt steam gauge backups, xpndr/alt encdr, com. stereo
intercom, ELT, etc. The engine is a Jab 3300 with a wood Sensenich
Prop.
The Zenith 700 lb figure is probably a zero option, min required
equipment, day VFR airplane.
Tony Graziano
N493TG; 243 hrs of flying fun in the XL
.
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601XL Empty weights
From: Tim Juhl (juhl@avci.net)
Date: Fri May 25 - 8:53 AM
What kind of empty weights are you 601XL builders seeing? Please
indicate what
engine you installed and any equipment out of the ordinary.
Thanks!
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Empty weights |
I have seen between 750 and 800 lbs.
-----Original Message-----
>From: "T. Graziano" <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: May 25, 2007 6:09 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Empty weights
>
>Tim,
>My empty XL weighed out at 799 Lbs with the CG at 290 mm.
>It is probably a LOT heavier than a stock XL as I have 600x6 tires/wheels/brakes
all around (nose fork from a 801), dual aux tanks & gauges, dual sticks, dual
brakes, ldg/taxi/position lights/strobes plus EFIS, AS & Alt steam gauge
backups, xpndr/alt encdr, com. stereo intercom, ELT, etc. The engine is a Jab
3300 with a wood Sensenich Prop.
>
>The Zenith 700 lb figure is probably a zero option, min required equipment, day
VFR airplane.
>
>Tony Graziano
>N493TG; 243 hrs of flying fun in the XL
>.
>-----------------
> 601XL Empty weights
> From: Tim Juhl (juhl@avci.net)
> Date: Fri May 25 - 8:53 AM
>
>What kind of empty weights are you 601XL builders seeing? Please indicate what
>engine you installed and any equipment out of the ordinary.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Tim
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Empty weights |
Have you guys heard all the fuss about the GPS/IFR compliancy. Seems the FAA
has made a policy change that voids all GPS units except Garmin 400 series,
500 series and G1000. Wow! Read the story here:
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070524gps.html
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL; Plans building.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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| Subject: | Re: XL Upper rudder Hinge instalation |
Chris,
I do not like shanked rivets, which you have without a shim for the
center rivet. I put a shim in - In fact, I believe I made it a working
shim (doubler) by extending the shim and tying the shim down with two
additional rivets into the 6B3-6. By tying in the shim, you minimize
bending loading of the aft center rivet.
Tony Graziano
XL 493TG
Subject: XL Upper rudder Hinge instalation
From: chris Sinfield (chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au)
Date: Fri May 25 - 2:14 PM
Hi
Just installing the top rudder bracket on my XL 6b2 -71but have just
noticed that
there is no shim under the bracket between the 2 top rear Longerons.
Does
it just get riveted onto them and the top triangle rear panel 6b3-6?
There is a 40 thou gap should this also have a shim just like the bottom
hing between
the longerons?
Chris..
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD canopy |
Bob:
You might also want to look at alternate methods of hinging and locking
the side-opening canopy. I imagine you can find some reference in the
archives. One builder who employed an alternate method is Jeff Small.
He is still on the list and may be willing to share information with
you, as he did with me.
George
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Duns
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:42 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601HD canopy
I am slowly completing construction of 601HD from a kit and am at
point of installing the side-opening canopy that came with the kit.
Before beginning assembly I would like to research the pros and cons of
a front opening canopy. I know that George Pinneo (Zenair News #111 and
#116) and others have developed front opening canopies for the HD. I
would like to know George's and others comments from their experiences
with the modified front opening canopy. I would not be interested in
the XL type of canopy as it requires modification of the front fuselage.
Research of the archives has provided some assistance but any other
comments would be appreciated.
Bob Duns
Melfort, SK
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5/25/2007 12:32 PM
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Empty weights |
My XL weighed in at 777 pounds. Lights, center stick, steam gauges, no int
erior, no com, no transponder. Since then I've added a com and transponder
. I have to say, it still climbs better than anything else at my home airp
ort.
When I was considering the Corvair I was worried it would be heavier than o
ther engine choices. In reality, the Corvair is about the same weight when
you add all the other do-dads you need to really fly and enjoy your plane.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
From: tonyplane@bellsouth.netTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Zenith-L
ist: Re: 601XL Empty weightsDate: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:09:24 -0500
Tim,
My empty XL weighed out at 799 Lbs with the CG at 290 mm.
It is probably a LOT heavier than a stock XL as I have 600x6 tires/wheels/b
rakes all around (nose fork from a 801), dual aux tanks & gauges, dual stic
ks, dual brakes, ldg/taxi/position lights/strobes plus EFIS, AS & Alt ste
am gauge backups, xpndr/alt encdr, com. stereo intercom, ELT, etc. The eng
ine is a Jab 3300 with a wood Sensenich Prop.
The Zenith 700 lb figure is probably a zero option, min required equipment,
day VFR airplane.
Tony Graziano
N493TG; 243 hrs of flying fun in the XL
.
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601XL Empty weights
From:
Tim Juhl (juhl@avci.net)
Date:
Fri May 25 - 8:53 AM
What kind of empty weights are you 601XL builders seeing? Please indicate
what
engine you installed and any equipment out of the ordinary.
Thanks!
Tim
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Hello to all,
With my left wing almost completed on 601XL, I have decided to install
aileron trim. Stupid question I guess, but is there a problem installing
it in the right wing which I have just started?
Thanks all.
Darryl
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Folks:
For those of you who are worried about strength (everyone) and corrosion
resistance (not me, I live in Arizona!), here is an excerpt direct from
Grove describing their metal:
----------
Standard Finish=97All Grove landing gear are hand finished to remove any
blemishes, scratches, and dents that may have occurred during the
machining and heat treating processes. Our landing gear is manufactured
from 7075-T6 aluminum which provides superior strength but also requires
corrosion protection. The most common method is to apply epoxy primer to
the entire gear and then finish with a suitable top coat. If you choose
to polish your gear, you should be sure to prime the unexposed areas and
to maintain a protective coating of wax on the polished surfaces.
----------
FWIW, I do plan to prime and paint the center section and areas inside
the intersection fairings and wheel spats, while polishing (and waxing)
the legs. Effectively, there are no "unexposed" areas on the TD gear.
It's all outside the fuselage. That also means it is very easy to
inspect.
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron trim |
Due to various people talking about a "heavy" left wing, I put my aileron
trim and lights in my right wing.
Michael in NH
On 5/25/07, Darryl Legg <dlegg@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Hello to all,
> With my left wing almost completed on 601XL, I have decided to install
> aileron trim. Stupid question I guess, but is there a problem installing
> it in the right wing which I have just started?
> Thanks all.
> Darryl
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Hi Guys,
This week was mostly bicycle work, finishing travel stops and some tow
bars, but flying would have been seriously compromised by very windy
days. I ate lunch with the guys at the Hy-Vee and continued to add to
the instructional and pictures of the recumbent. Its getting close to
the end, save the molded fiberglass seat. Friday, Cy called to say a 601
was being assembled at Moline #1 hangar having been imported from a
Polish manufacturer, so I drove the Corvette out to see it. It could
have been called a knock-off of a 601XL but the workmanship and the
engineering were taken considerably further than one might have
expected. A Polish mechanic was hanging the dry sump Rotax 912 engine
when I got there and within an hour, I helped hang the wings on it. A
nice plane to be sure and it should be for the nearly $100K it cost the
buyer. Lots of fiberglass fairing work and a nice split-flap design with
short ailerons at the ends of the wing. A totally IFR instrument panel
was completely fitted and the mechanical approach for dual sticks was
done with serious engineering talent using proper soft stops and
construction that Zenith might well envy. Theres a lot said about good
engineering and this one was very complete aircraft down to an entire
structure of bucked rivets. There were diagonal pieces at every frame in
the fuselage. The heat muff wrapped around the exhaust muffler as a
separate stainless entity that could only be compromised by CO2 if both
containers were pierced. The firewall was stainless and the fuel lines
were also special stainless tube and the battery sat in its own nicely
made stainless box. Nose steering was differential braking, which I
would not care for, but the two-piece spring steel tapered main landing
gear were very small and nicely integrated into the bottom side of the
center spar structure. Even a tow bar was latched in the rear baggage
compartment and there was a tailskid for the possibility of contact. The
canopy acrylic was quite different by its slightly pail pink UV
protective color, and though it still tilts forward, there was a sliding
air door on each side of the canopy for flying or taxiing. The
overhanging edges of the instrument panel took ducted air pressure to 4
small adjustable air vents for good circulation in an otherwise
hot-bubble environment. The upholstery was nice, but the steep angled
side padding and narrow center panels suggested that people with wide
bottoms would never become really comfortable where it counts.
Its going to be a nice plane, but I dont think it will really ever be
called a 601, though the initial similarity was remarkable. Perhaps it
was the fire engine red and white paint job. I can't wait to see it fly.
Stay safe,,,,,,,,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron trim |
Mine is in the right (stbd) wing.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Empty weights |
Hi Tim,
Mine came in at 710lbs (unpainted). Standard kit with the only options of
position/nav/strobe lights. Day VFR instruments and Jabiru 3300 with wood
Sensenich Prop.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Empty weights
>
> I have seen between 750 and 800 lbs.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: "T. Graziano" <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
>>Sent: May 25, 2007 6:09 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Empty weights
>>
>>Tim,
>>My empty XL weighed out at 799 Lbs with the CG at 290 mm.
>>It is probably a LOT heavier than a stock XL as I have 600x6
>>tires/wheels/brakes all around (nose fork from a 801), dual aux tanks &
>>gauges, dual sticks, dual brakes, ldg/taxi/position lights/strobes plus
>>EFIS, AS & Alt steam gauge backups, xpndr/alt encdr, com. stereo
>>intercom, ELT, etc. The engine is a Jab 3300 with a wood Sensenich Prop.
>>
>>The Zenith 700 lb figure is probably a zero option, min required
>>equipment, day VFR airplane.
>>
>>Tony Graziano
>>N493TG; 243 hrs of flying fun in the XL
>>.
>>-----------------
>> 601XL Empty weights
>> From: Tim Juhl (juhl@avci.net)
>> Date: Fri May 25 - 8:53 AM
>>
>>What kind of empty weights are you 601XL builders seeing? Please indicate
>>what
>>engine you installed and any equipment out of the ordinary.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Questions |
Michael,
I purchased the Grove Gear for my 601XL QB kit. Grove does not specifically list
it on the website but if you call them they can give you a price. The main
issue will be the mounting of the gear. I plan on using the original Zenith
mounting brackets but I will have to hog out some aluminum saddles to take up
the extra space. Aaron Gustafson sent me pictures of his installation on his
HD. He drilled a hole in the center of the gear for the attachment of a lateral
brace to keep the gear from sliding side to side. The HD mount will not fit
the XL but the concept is the same.
I have included pictures of my gear and of Aaron's mounting hardware.
Regards,
Bob Tezyk
N78QT 601XL QB / J3300
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