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1. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Empty weights (Bryan Martin)
2. 05:44 AM - 701 elevator cable.Weird problem (Geoff Heap)
3. 06:52 AM - Re: a Polish 601 (David Downey)
4. 07:34 AM - Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem (billmileski)
5. 07:56 AM - Re: a Polish 601 (Dan Lykowski)
6. 07:59 AM - Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem (Geoff Heap)
7. 08:12 AM - Re: Aileron trim (Herb Heaton)
8. 08:15 AM - Rear top skin fuselage (wade jones)
9. 08:25 AM - Re: a Polish 601 (LarryMcFarland)
10. 08:33 AM - Re: Rear top skin fuselage (LarryMcFarland)
11. 08:44 AM - 601 Polish Aero Sp (LarryMcFarland)
12. 08:56 AM - Re: a Polish 601 (dgardea(at)gmail.com)
13. 09:08 AM - Re: Aileron trim (Craig Payne)
14. 09:32 AM - Donate an aircraft to a good cause (JohnDRead@aol.com)
15. 12:28 PM - Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem (Klaus Truemper)
16. 12:35 PM - Re: 601HD canopy (Klaus Truemper)
17. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: a Polish 601 (LarryMcFarland)
18. 03:46 PM - Re: Gear Questions ()
19. 04:40 PM - Composite Gear (Kevin L. Rupert)
20. 04:49 PM - Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem (jetboy)
21. 07:21 PM - Re: 601XL Empty weights (xl)
22. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: 601HD canopy (Gary Boothe)
23. 07:47 PM - 701 Elevator cable. Weird problem (Joe Spencer)
24. 07:53 PM - Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem (Geoff Heap)
25. 07:57 PM - 701 partially built kit for sale, 75 cents on the dollar (LRM)
26. 08:48 PM - Lower engine mounts (Richard Vetterli)
27. 09:23 PM - N5SL Video Update (Scott Laughlin)
28. 09:54 PM - Re: N5SL Video Update (TxDave)
29. 10:46 PM - Updated Construction Standards for Zenair Light Airplanes (lwinger)
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Empty weights |
Mine came in at 830lbs. Full six-pack with conventional gyros, Garmin
GNS-430, King KT-76A, confor-foam seats and sound/heat insulation
throughout the cabin.
>
> What kind of empty weights are you 601XL builders seeing? Please indicate
what
> engine you installed and any equipment out of the ordinary.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tim
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Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | 701 elevator cable.Weird problem |
Hello all.
The plans call for a bungee from a starboard side fuselage stiffener to the top
elevator cable. I just did a hookup of my elevator cables. Alone, they work fine.
Picture this if you will.
I set aileron control to central. I tension the elevator cables. I work the elevator.
Works fine. Now I move stick right to move ailerons. The elevator cables
tighten up. Move the stick left and the elevator cables go slack. I have done
trial hookups before and never noticed this. Maybe I didn't move the ailerons
at those times. I cannot see anything wrong with the assembly. By design, the
Torque tube is on fuselage centerline so that means the elevator bellcrank is
off center, to the right. Looking at it that way, it makes sense that this tightening/slacking
would happen. However I've never heard discussion of it here.
Now, back to the Bungee. The plans make comment that the bungee is necessary
to stop the elevator cables touching. Is it a fact that the bungee will also
correct this problem of tensioning. In my head I can see how it would work. Am
I the last one to know or do I have a weird airplane/assembly.......Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: a Polish 601 |
Hi Larry;
Is there any data available on teh web for that specific plane?
Thanks.
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Hi Guys,
This week was mostly bicycle work, finishing travel stops and some tow
bars, but flying would have been seriously compromised by very windy
days. I ate lunch with the guys at the Hy-Vee and continued to add to
the instructional and pictures of the recumbent. Its getting close to
the end, save the molded fiberglass seat. Friday, Cy called to say a 601
was being assembled at Moline #1 hangar having been imported from a
Polish manufacturer, so I drove the Corvette out to see it. It could
have been called a knock-off of a 601XL but the workmanship and the
engineering were taken considerably further than one might have
expected. A Polish mechanic was hanging the dry sump Rotax 912 engine
when I got there and within an hour, I helped hang the wings on it. A
nice plane to be sure and it should be for the nearly $100K it cost the
buyer. Lots of fiberglass fairing work and a nice split-flap design with
short ailerons at the ends of the wing. A totally IFR instrument panel
was completely fitted and the mechanical approach for dual sticks was
done with serious engineering talent using proper soft stops and
construction that Zenith might well envy. Theres a lot said about good
engineering and this one was very complete aircraft down to an entire
structure of bucked rivets. There were diagonal pieces at every frame in
the fuselage. The heat muff wrapped around the exhaust muffler as a
separate stainless entity that could only be compromised by CO2 if both
containers were pierced. The firewall was stainless and the fuel lines
were also special stainless tube and the battery sat in its own nicely
made stainless box. Nose steering was differential braking, which I
would not care for, but the two-piece spring steel tapered main landing
gear were very small and nicely integrated into the bottom side of the
center spar structure. Even a tow bar was latched in the rear baggage
compartment and there was a tailskid for the possibility of contact. The
canopy acrylic was quite different by its slightly pail pink UV
protective color, and though it still tilts forward, there was a sliding
air door on each side of the canopy for flying or taxiing. The
overhanging edges of the instrument panel took ducted air pressure to 4
small adjustable air vents for good circulation in an otherwise
hot-bubble environment. The upholstery was nice, but the steep angled
side padding and narrow center panels suggested that people with wide
bottoms would never become really comfortable where it counts.
Its going to be a nice plane, but I dont think it will really ever be
called a 601, though the initial similarity was remarkable. Perhaps it
was the fire engine red and white paint job. I can't wait to see it fly.
Stay safe,,,,,,,,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem |
Geoff,
Don't despair. I did that plenty enough for the both of us. If you search the archives,
you'll find plenty of discussion on this.
In short, the cables will tension with aileron deflection. The trick is to carefully
tension the cables so that there is minimum acceptable tension in neutral,
and not excessive tension at the extremes. I found that I could minimize the
effect, by moving the upper hole on the elevator horn slightly. I ended up
sacrificing one horn in the name of experimentation, and made a second when I
felt I had minimized the tension change. Be very wary of overtensioning. I spent
a lot of time with a cable tensiometer, and it's really easy to overdo tension
so that you have 30+ pounds per cable at the extreme, and 60 pounds total
on the linkages seem excessive.
So basically set the system for maybe 20lbs tension with the aileron in a position
to cause max tension, and connect a bungee to the right side, pulling on the
cable that makes sense (can't remember upper or lower) with at least a pound
or so in all positions. Remember that the full aileron position is rarely used.
Then check the minimum tension, and there should be no real slop, if you
have a friend hold the elevator and you move the stick fore and aft. If you feel
increasing resistance when you move the stick to the right, in my opinion
you probably have excessive tension. Every time I had a noticeable effort to move
to the right, the cable tensions would increase to well over 30lbs. I had
the tools at work to make my own bungees and I made an eye loop with bungee stock,
slightly stretched it over a short length of nylon tubing, and slid it over
the elevator cable.
I found that there isn't much room between having no elevator slop, and having
reasonably low tension at the extremes. And you might want to play with the location
of one of the elevator control horn holes. My first one never would have
worked, I moved it by a few mm and found a magic combination.
Good luck,
Bill Mileski
701 912S 90hrs
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| Subject: | Re: a Polish 601 |
Does mine qualify as Polish? :)=0A=0ADan Lykowski=0ADynon Avionics=0A601xl
=0A=0ADO NOT ARCHIVE=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: David Downey
<planecrazydld@yahoo.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday,
May 26, 2007 6:51:05 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: a Polish 601 =0A=0AHi
Larry;=0A=0AIs there any data available on teh web for that specific plane?
=0A=0AThanks.=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0ALarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.co
=0A=0AThis week was mostly bicycle work, finishing travel stops and some to
w =0Abars, but flying would have been seriously compromised by very windy
=0Adays. I ate lunch with the guys at the Hy-Vee and continued to add to
=0Athe instructional and pictures of the recumbent. It=A2s getting close to
=0Athe end, save the molded fiberglass seat. Friday, Cy called to say a 60
1 =0Awas being assembled at Moline #1 hangar having been imported from a
=0APolish manufacturer, so I drove the Corvette out to see it. It could =0A
have been called a knock-off of a 601XL but the workmanship and=0A the =0Ae
ngineering were taken considerably further than one might have =0Aexpected.
A Polish mechanic was hanging the dry sump Rotax 912 engine =0Awhen I got
there and within an hour, I helped hang the wings on it. A =0Anice plane to
be sure and it should be for the nearly $100K it cost the =0Abuyer. Lots o
f fiberglass fairing work and a nice split-flap design with =0Ashort ailero
ns at the ends of the wing. A totally IFR instrument panel =0Awas completel
y fitted and the mechanical approach for dual sticks was =0Adone with serio
us engineering talent using proper soft stops and =0Aconstruction that Zeni
th might well envy. There=A2s a lot said about good =0Aengineering and this
one was very complete aircraft down to an entire =0Astructure of bucked ri
vets. There were diagonal pieces at every frame in =0Athe fuselage. The hea
t muff wrapped around the exhaust muffler as a =0Aseparate stainless entity
that could only be compromised by CO2 if both =0Acontainers were=0A pierce
d. The firewall was stainless and the fuel lines =0Awere also special stain
less tube and the battery sat in its own nicely =0Amade stainless box. Nose
steering was differential braking, which I =0Awould not care for, but the
two-piece spring steel tapered main landing =0Agear were very small and nic
ely integrated into the bottom side of the =0Acenter spar structure. Even a
tow bar was latched in the rear baggage =0Acompartment and there was a tai
lskid for the possibility of contact. The =0Acanopy acrylic was quite diffe
rent by its slightly pail pink UV =0Aprotective color, and though it still
tilts forward, there was a sliding =0Aair door on each side of the canopy f
or flying or taxiing. The =0Aoverhanging edges of the instrument panel took
ducted air pressure to 4 =0Asmall adjustable air vents for good circulatio
n in an otherwise =0Ahot-bubble environment. The upholstery was nice, but t
he steep angled =0Aside padding and narrow center panels suggested=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem |
Thanks Bill
Now that I know it's normal I can proceed. Thanks for the input...Geoff
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Darryl,
The aileron trim mechanism is all contained within the aileron, so your only
concern would be running the wiring through the finished wing. Shouldn't be
a problem either way.
Herb
>From: Darryl Legg <dlegg@tpg.com.au>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Aileron trim
>Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 10:34:53 +0930
>
>
>Hello to all,
>With my left wing almost completed on 601XL, I have decided to install
>aileron trim. Stupid question I guess, but is there a problem installing it
>in the right wing which I have just started?
>Thanks all.
>Darryl
>Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Rear top skin fuselage |
Hello group ,another peskey question for you scratch builders . The
plans call for .016 material for part# 6-B-21-6 ,has anyone used a
thicker material for this .I tried a piece of .025 ,but it not want to
take the shape around the last bulkhead . After seeing some published
weights of the completed 601XLs I may want to stay within what the plans
call for. I was expecting a total empty weight of around 700# .
Thanks Wade Jones
South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: a Polish 601 |
Hi David,
The aircraft had the name AERO Sp and it was serial number 25 of this run.
It had been flight tested and issued Airworthiness Certificate in
Poland. The wings still
had the letters issued for European registration painted on the bottom.
Then it was taken
apart and crated to Moline, IL for reassembly. It might take a while to
get data specific on
this plane, but I'm sure it's out there. I'll try to build a temp page
for pictures taken on my site.
Might be a couple of days.
Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com
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David Downey wrote:
> Hi Larry;
>
> Is there any data available on teh web for that specific plane?
>
> Thanks.
>
> do not archive
>
> */LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> This week was mostly bicycle work, finishing travel stops and some
> tow
> bars, but flying would have been seriously compromised by very windy
> days. I ate lunch with the guys at the Hy-Vee and continued to add to
> the instructional and pictures of the recumbent. Its getting
> close to
> the end, save the molded fiberglass seat. Friday, Cy called to say
> a 601
> was being assembled at Moline #1 hangar having been imported from a
> Polish manufacturer, so I drove the Corvette out to see it. It could
> have been called a knock-off of a 601XL but the workmanship and the
> engineering were taken considerably further than one might have
> expected.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rear top skin fuselage |
Hi Wade,
I'd recommend you use .025 on the panels that you'll put your hands to
board the plane, front top skin, rear top skin and use .020 on further
back if .025 is a problem. .016 will dent and deform when you least
need that kind of problem, especially top surfaces.
Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com
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wade jones wrote:
> Hello group ,another peskey question for you scratch builders . The
> plans call for .016 material for part# 6-B-21-6 ,has anyone used a
> thicker material for this .I tried a piece of .025 ,but it not want to
> take the shape around the last bulkhead . After seeing some published
> weights of the completed 601XLs I may want to stay within what the
> plans call for. I was expecting a total empty weight of around 700#
> . Thanks Wade
> Jones South Texas
> 601XL plans building
> Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | 601 Polish Aero Sp |
Hi guys,
The Polish Zenith 601 turns out to be a competitor located at this site.
http://www.aero.com.pl/ Lots of images and links for more info.
Larry McFarland
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| Subject: | Re: a Polish 601 |
I googled Aero in Poland and came up with their site:
http://www.at-3.com/en/company
Larry, not sure if this is the plane you saw but the pic on their home page has
a 601XL looking aircraft. Talk about a quick build kit .. look how they pack
it into that container.
--------
Dave Gardea
601XL - Corvair
working on wings
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Some folks run the wire outside the wing along the top of the rear spar
(especially if they add the trim after their wings are closed).
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Donate an aircraft to a good cause |
Hello Listers:
I am heading up a program at my local high school in
Elbert Colorado to build an airplane. When completed the aircraft will be
donated to the Aviation Education Foundation of Colorado for use in their Young
Eagles Program. If there is a generous soul out there who would forever be in
the debt of these young people who would like to donate a CH601 we will all be
very grateful. Thanks.
John Read EAA72
CH701 coming along nicely
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| Subject: | Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem |
Hi,
I am guessing you have the problem addressed on the website
http://www.utdallas.edu/~klaus/Airplane/elevator_cable_guide.html
Happy flying,
Klaus
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Professor Emeritus of Computer Science
University of Texas at Dallas
Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and
Computer Science EC31
P.O. Box 830688
Richardson, TX 75083-0688
(972) 883-2712
klaus@utdallas.edu
www.utdallas.edu/~klaus
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD canopy |
Hi,
the website
http://www.utdallas.edu/~klaus/Airplane/canopy_latches.html
shows an alternate latching mechanism that is positively locked from the
in side
and cannot be opened accidentally. The biggest drawback of the side-opening
is in high wind conditions. At that time, one must be VERY careful so that
the canopy does not take off. I had that once in California, with 30 kts
gusting
to 37. It was very difficult to get out of the plane without inflicing
damage on
the canopy. The other drawback is the inconvenence of opening and closing
and opening and closing when loading the plane. Oh well, I had that system
now for 11 years, and am used to it. But convenient it is not.
Happy flying,
Klaus
--
Klaus Truemper
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science
University of Texas at Dallas
Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and
Computer Science EC31
P.O. Box 830688
Richardson, TX 75083-0688
(972) 883-2712
klaus@utdallas.edu
www.utdallas.edu/~klaus
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| Subject: | Re: a Polish 601 |
Dave,
The aircraft is the AT-3 and it's exceedingly well done. There were
several things on it that one tends to learn from
and look back saying I could have solved it this way too. The wood in
the crating I saw was clear, straight grained and
no knots to 18 feet and I would have liked to have taken it home.
Larry McFarland
do not archive
dgardea(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
> I googled Aero in Poland and came up with their site:
> http://www.at-3.com/en/company
>
> Larry, not sure if this is the plane you saw but the pic on their home page has
a 601XL looking aircraft. Talk about a quick build kit .. look how they pack
it into that container.
>
> --------
> Dave Gardea
> 601XL - Corvair
> working on wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Questions |
A couple of years ago, I got mine from CZAW. Nice people to work with.
Each gear leg, with wheel and brake, came in at about 12.5 pounds per
side. They also sent mounting hardware, which I modified a little to
strengthen it to my paranoid specifications. It went pretty well. I
haven't drop tested it yet, but expect good results.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: David Downey<mailto:planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gear Questions
Michael;
I believe that the gear at ACS is 2 piece. This would be a redesign
for the adventuresome, with complicated bending and load transfer
considerations.
Michael Valentine
<mgvalentine@gmail.com<mailto:mgvalentine@gmail.com>> wrote:
Going through the archives, there still seems to be very little
about alternative landing gear. So, I will ask again...! Does anyone
have some specific experience to share regarding installing either Grove
gear or the composite gear? Speaking of which, I can't actually find
Grove gear for the 601 - the sites only seem to list gear for the 701.
Specifically, what Grove gear are people installing?
BTW, I spoke with the factory and they said that although they are
exploring the composite gear, it is only going to be offered to European
customers. Has anyone here actually installed the
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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I too have been wondering what gear other than the Grove Alum. Gear is
available. There is a picture on the Zenith 601XL page of a taildragger
601 and it clearly does not have the bent aluminum gear on it. I wonder
what it is and where it came from.
Kevin R.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem |
I think that website fix is for the 601?
The 701 is quite different. Mine has this problem also. It was assembled and rigged
by CZAW so it arrived to me with elevator cable tension just applying at
stick neural position, and springback effect if the aileron is held over to the
right. This is a niusance as its hard to push owtwards with ones arm, flying
from the left seat. the bungee installed in the location shown has no influence
on this. I was cosidering applying another bungee much closer to the control
end of the cables, to add bias tension to the other cable, but i trialled doing
this by hand and wasnt convinced it would correct the issue.
I enquired to ZAC but got no response, I am following this up again now.
I feel that if the elevator control horn that the cables connect to was folded
to the left so that the cable holes were in line with the aileron tube centreline,
the tension would only increase, both directions of stick travel. This mod
might require two bends about 5 degress, each about 1" either side out of the
centreline of the horn?
My concern is that doing this might render the horn more prone to collapse under
overload, because it would have less strength from being bent by the slight
sideways loads that would now occur, however these loads probably already exist
while the aileron is over to the left or right anyway?
We just need the OK from the factory, as to whether there is a reason for it to
be this way. Its not much fun taxying out with left down aileron and wind behind
the tail, causes the stick to shake around as the elevator wobbles (read flutter)
against the loose cables.
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Empty weights |
633Z is 715 pounds empty, setup for night VFR,
plus a Westech CHT monitor (6 sensors to 1 gauge)
The only frill that I have is a Pioneer AM-FM radio.
Joe E
N633Z @ BFI
CH601XL 446 hours
Jabiru 3300, Sensenich wood prop
http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/
On Fri, 25 May 2007, Tim Juhl wrote:
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> What kind of empty weights are you 601XL builders seeing? Please
> indicate what engine you installed and any equipment out of the
> ordinary. Thanks! Tim
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD canopy |
Klaus,
Thanks for the link. What material have you used to line the inside of your
cabin?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Truemper
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601HD canopy
Hi,
the website
http://www.utdallas.edu/~klaus/Airplane/canopy_latches.html
shows an alternate latching mechanism that is positively locked from the
in side
and cannot be opened accidentally. The biggest drawback of the side-opening
is in high wind conditions. At that time, one must be VERY careful so that
the canopy does not take off. I had that once in California, with 30 kts
gusting
to 37. It was very difficult to get out of the plane without inflicing
damage on
the canopy. The other drawback is the inconvenence of opening and closing
and opening and closing when loading the plane. Oh well, I had that system
now for 11 years, and am used to it. But convenient it is not.
Happy flying,
Klaus
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Klaus Truemper
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science
University of Texas at Dallas
Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and
Computer Science EC31
P.O. Box 830688
Richardson, TX 75083-0688
(972) 883-2712
klaus@utdallas.edu
www.utdallas.edu/~klaus
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| Subject: | 701 Elevator cable. Weird problem |
I think the problem is inherent to the off center control horn setup. My
solution was to run the down elevator cable as slack as I could to avoid
the tightening of the cable with right aileron application. So far it
works ok(85 hours). I didn't install the bungee-just slipped a length of
clear vinyl tubing over one of the cables and let em rub. I will
periodically inspect the cable under the tubing to be sure corrision
doesn't develop.
Admittedly somewhat shadetree but then that's in keeping with the offset
control horn.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem |
Jetboy wrote "the bungee installed in the location shown has no influence on this.
I was considering applying another bungee much closer to the control end of
the cables, to add bias tension to the other cable,"
......Ralph....At this time I have installed a bungee about 18" to 24" back from
the elevator bellcrank/horn. It's attached to a right side vertical stiffener.
It had mostly the effect that I expected. I set neutral tension with right
aileron. Now when I move to central and onwards to left aileron the bungee takes
up the slack and maintains approx neutral tension. About 90 % of the problem
went away. Next step is tweaking the position. I 'm sure I didn't get THAT lucky
on my first attempt. I can probably get it a little better. Dissapointing
though to find this problem now. I never heard of it before. However. what I
don't like is that a bungee will be holding my elevator steady(??) while I am
flying. It's probably all Zed's fault .........Geoff
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| Subject: | 701 partially built kit for sale, 75 cents on the dollar |
My friend still has his 701 kit for sale. Tail, and one wing done. Has
stuff for the other wing and an extra set of tanks. He says he will
take 75 cents on the dollar, has about 9k invested. Anyone who wants to
start a 701 and doesn't want to save 3k from the get go is really
missing out. Sounds like a Bargain to me. E-mail me and I will put you
in touch. lrm@skyhawg.com.
Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L
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| Subject: | Lower engine mounts |
Has anybody had trouble fitting the lower engine
mounts? When they are attached to the firewall as per
the plans, but the mounts don't seem to quite center
over the lower longerons. It seems that the front
angle of the brackets are a little too flat and they
don't want to follow the angle of the longerons. With
a little force, I can spread them out a little, but
that doesn't seem right on such a critical part. Any
ideas?
Rich Vetterli
601XL/Corvair
Check out my progress at: www.geocities.com/stixx5a
http://farechase.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | N5SL Video Update |
A sneak peek at N5SL days away from FAA inspection and first flight
Videography by David Miller:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhtG3tdjIhM
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL Video Update |
Yahoo! Looks and sounds great, Scott. Must be really exciting to be so close to
that first flight.
do not archive
Dave Clay
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| Subject: | Updated Construction Standards for Zenair Light Airplanes |
Check it out. I don't know what has been added or changed, but a new version of
the "Construction Standards for Zenair Light Airplanes" was posted yesterday
in the builders area.
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Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL #6493 from scratch
Control surfaces complete/wing spars 99% done
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