---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/26/07: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Empty weights (Bryan Martin) 2. 05:44 AM - 701 elevator cable.Weird problem (Geoff Heap) 3. 06:52 AM - Re: a Polish 601 (David Downey) 4. 07:34 AM - Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem (billmileski) 5. 07:56 AM - Re: a Polish 601 (Dan Lykowski) 6. 07:59 AM - Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem (Geoff Heap) 7. 08:12 AM - Re: Aileron trim (Herb Heaton) 8. 08:15 AM - Rear top skin fuselage (wade jones) 9. 08:25 AM - Re: a Polish 601 (LarryMcFarland) 10. 08:33 AM - Re: Rear top skin fuselage (LarryMcFarland) 11. 08:44 AM - 601 Polish Aero Sp (LarryMcFarland) 12. 08:56 AM - Re: a Polish 601 (dgardea(at)gmail.com) 13. 09:08 AM - Re: Aileron trim (Craig Payne) 14. 09:32 AM - Donate an aircraft to a good cause (JohnDRead@aol.com) 15. 12:28 PM - Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem (Klaus Truemper) 16. 12:35 PM - Re: 601HD canopy (Klaus Truemper) 17. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: a Polish 601 (LarryMcFarland) 18. 03:46 PM - Re: Gear Questions () 19. 04:40 PM - Composite Gear (Kevin L. Rupert) 20. 04:49 PM - Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem (jetboy) 21. 07:21 PM - Re: 601XL Empty weights (xl) 22. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: 601HD canopy (Gary Boothe) 23. 07:47 PM - 701 Elevator cable. Weird problem (Joe Spencer) 24. 07:53 PM - Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem (Geoff Heap) 25. 07:57 PM - 701 partially built kit for sale, 75 cents on the dollar (LRM) 26. 08:48 PM - Lower engine mounts (Richard Vetterli) 27. 09:23 PM - N5SL Video Update (Scott Laughlin) 28. 09:54 PM - Re: N5SL Video Update (TxDave) 29. 10:46 PM - Updated Construction Standards for Zenair Light Airplanes (lwinger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:33 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Empty weights Mine came in at 830lbs. Full six-pack with conventional gyros, Garmin GNS-430, King KT-76A, confor-foam seats and sound/heat insulation throughout the cabin. > > What kind of empty weights are you 601XL builders seeing? Please indicate what > engine you installed and any equipment out of the ordinary. > > Thanks! > > Tim -- Bryan Martin Zenith 601XL N61BM Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:59 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem From: "Geoff Heap" Hello all. The plans call for a bungee from a starboard side fuselage stiffener to the top elevator cable. I just did a hookup of my elevator cables. Alone, they work fine. Picture this if you will. I set aileron control to central. I tension the elevator cables. I work the elevator. Works fine. Now I move stick right to move ailerons. The elevator cables tighten up. Move the stick left and the elevator cables go slack. I have done trial hookups before and never noticed this. Maybe I didn't move the ailerons at those times. I cannot see anything wrong with the assembly. By design, the Torque tube is on fuselage centerline so that means the elevator bellcrank is off center, to the right. Looking at it that way, it makes sense that this tightening/slacking would happen. However I've never heard discussion of it here. Now, back to the Bungee. The plans make comment that the bungee is necessary to stop the elevator cables touching. Is it a fact that the bungee will also correct this problem of tensioning. In my head I can see how it would work. Am I the last one to know or do I have a weird airplane/assembly.......Geoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114900#114900 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:21 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: a Polish 601 Hi Larry; Is there any data available on teh web for that specific plane? Thanks. do not archive Hi Guys, This week was mostly bicycle work, finishing travel stops and some tow bars, but flying would have been seriously compromised by very windy days. I ate lunch with the guys at the Hy-Vee and continued to add to the instructional and pictures of the recumbent. Its getting close to the end, save the molded fiberglass seat. Friday, Cy called to say a 601 was being assembled at Moline #1 hangar having been imported from a Polish manufacturer, so I drove the Corvette out to see it. It could have been called a knock-off of a 601XL but the workmanship and the engineering were taken considerably further than one might have expected. A Polish mechanic was hanging the dry sump Rotax 912 engine when I got there and within an hour, I helped hang the wings on it. A nice plane to be sure and it should be for the nearly $100K it cost the buyer. Lots of fiberglass fairing work and a nice split-flap design with short ailerons at the ends of the wing. A totally IFR instrument panel was completely fitted and the mechanical approach for dual sticks was done with serious engineering talent using proper soft stops and construction that Zenith might well envy. Theres a lot said about good engineering and this one was very complete aircraft down to an entire structure of bucked rivets. There were diagonal pieces at every frame in the fuselage. The heat muff wrapped around the exhaust muffler as a separate stainless entity that could only be compromised by CO2 if both containers were pierced. The firewall was stainless and the fuel lines were also special stainless tube and the battery sat in its own nicely made stainless box. Nose steering was differential braking, which I would not care for, but the two-piece spring steel tapered main landing gear were very small and nicely integrated into the bottom side of the center spar structure. Even a tow bar was latched in the rear baggage compartment and there was a tailskid for the possibility of contact. The canopy acrylic was quite different by its slightly pail pink UV protective color, and though it still tilts forward, there was a sliding air door on each side of the canopy for flying or taxiing. The overhanging edges of the instrument panel took ducted air pressure to 4 small adjustable air vents for good circulation in an otherwise hot-bubble environment. The upholstery was nice, but the steep angled side padding and narrow center panels suggested that people with wide bottoms would never become really comfortable where it counts. Its going to be a nice plane, but I dont think it will really ever be called a 601, though the initial similarity was remarkable. Perhaps it was the fire engine red and white paint job. I can't wait to see it fly. Stay safe,,,,,,,, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:01 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem From: "billmileski" Geoff, Don't despair. I did that plenty enough for the both of us. If you search the archives, you'll find plenty of discussion on this. In short, the cables will tension with aileron deflection. The trick is to carefully tension the cables so that there is minimum acceptable tension in neutral, and not excessive tension at the extremes. I found that I could minimize the effect, by moving the upper hole on the elevator horn slightly. I ended up sacrificing one horn in the name of experimentation, and made a second when I felt I had minimized the tension change. Be very wary of overtensioning. I spent a lot of time with a cable tensiometer, and it's really easy to overdo tension so that you have 30+ pounds per cable at the extreme, and 60 pounds total on the linkages seem excessive. So basically set the system for maybe 20lbs tension with the aileron in a position to cause max tension, and connect a bungee to the right side, pulling on the cable that makes sense (can't remember upper or lower) with at least a pound or so in all positions. Remember that the full aileron position is rarely used. Then check the minimum tension, and there should be no real slop, if you have a friend hold the elevator and you move the stick fore and aft. If you feel increasing resistance when you move the stick to the right, in my opinion you probably have excessive tension. Every time I had a noticeable effort to move to the right, the cable tensions would increase to well over 30lbs. I had the tools at work to make my own bungees and I made an eye loop with bungee stock, slightly stretched it over a short length of nylon tubing, and slid it over the elevator cable. I found that there isn't much room between having no elevator slop, and having reasonably low tension at the extremes. And you might want to play with the location of one of the elevator control horn holes. My first one never would have worked, I moved it by a few mm and found a magic combination. Good luck, Bill Mileski 701 912S 90hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114923#114923 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:35 AM PST US From: Dan Lykowski Subject: Re: Zenith-List: a Polish 601 Does mine qualify as Polish? :)=0A=0ADan Lykowski=0ADynon Avionics=0A601xl =0A=0ADO NOT ARCHIVE=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: David Downey =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:51:05 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: a Polish 601 =0A=0AHi Larry;=0A=0AIs there any data available on teh web for that specific plane? =0A=0AThanks.=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0ALarryMcFarland Thanks Bill Now that I know it's normal I can proceed. Thanks for the input...Geoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114925#114925 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:19 AM PST US From: "Herb Heaton" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aileron trim Darryl, The aileron trim mechanism is all contained within the aileron, so your only concern would be running the wiring through the finished wing. Shouldn't be a problem either way. Herb >From: Darryl Legg >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Aileron trim >Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 10:34:53 +0930 > > >Hello to all, >With my left wing almost completed on 601XL, I have decided to install >aileron trim. Stupid question I guess, but is there a problem installing it >in the right wing which I have just started? >Thanks all. >Darryl >Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:39 AM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Zenith-List: Rear top skin fuselage Hello group ,another peskey question for you scratch builders . The plans call for .016 material for part# 6-B-21-6 ,has anyone used a thicker material for this .I tried a piece of .025 ,but it not want to take the shape around the last bulkhead . After seeing some published weights of the completed 601XLs I may want to stay within what the plans call for. I was expecting a total empty weight of around 700# . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:15 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: a Polish 601 Hi David, The aircraft had the name AERO Sp and it was serial number 25 of this run. It had been flight tested and issued Airworthiness Certificate in Poland. The wings still had the letters issued for European registration painted on the bottom. Then it was taken apart and crated to Moline, IL for reassembly. It might take a while to get data specific on this plane, but I'm sure it's out there. I'll try to build a temp page for pictures taken on my site. Might be a couple of days. Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com do not archive David Downey wrote: > Hi Larry; > > Is there any data available on teh web for that specific plane? > > Thanks. > > do not archive > > */LarryMcFarland /* wrote: > > > Hi Guys, > > This week was mostly bicycle work, finishing travel stops and some > tow > bars, but flying would have been seriously compromised by very windy > days. I ate lunch with the guys at the Hy-Vee and continued to add to > the instructional and pictures of the recumbent. Its getting > close to > the end, save the molded fiberglass seat. Friday, Cy called to say > a 601 > was being assembled at Moline #1 hangar having been imported from a > Polish manufacturer, so I drove the Corvette out to see it. It could > have been called a knock-off of a 601XL but the workmanship and the > engineering were taken considerably further than one might have > expected. > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:23 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rear top skin fuselage Hi Wade, I'd recommend you use .025 on the panels that you'll put your hands to board the plane, front top skin, rear top skin and use .020 on further back if .025 is a problem. .016 will dent and deform when you least need that kind of problem, especially top surfaces. Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com do not archive wade jones wrote: > Hello group ,another peskey question for you scratch builders . The > plans call for .016 material for part# 6-B-21-6 ,has anyone used a > thicker material for this .I tried a piece of .025 ,but it not want to > take the shape around the last bulkhead . After seeing some published > weights of the completed 601XLs I may want to stay within what the > plans call for. I was expecting a total empty weight of around 700# > . Thanks Wade > Jones South Texas > 601XL plans building > Cont. 0200 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:01 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Polish Aero Sp Hi guys, The Polish Zenith 601 turns out to be a competitor located at this site. http://www.aero.com.pl/ Lots of images and links for more info. Larry McFarland do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: a Polish 601 From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" I googled Aero in Poland and came up with their site: http://www.at-3.com/en/company Larry, not sure if this is the plane you saw but the pic on their home page has a 601XL looking aircraft. Talk about a quick build kit .. look how they pack it into that container. -------- Dave Gardea 601XL - Corvair working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114943#114943 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:49 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aileron trim Some folks run the wire outside the wing along the top of the rear spar (especially if they add the trim after their wings are closed). -- Craig ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:18 AM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Donate an aircraft to a good cause Hello Listers: I am heading up a program at my local high school in Elbert Colorado to build an airplane. When completed the aircraft will be donated to the Aviation Education Foundation of Colorado for use in their Young Eagles Program. If there is a generous soul out there who would forever be in the debt of these young people who would like to donate a CH601 we will all be very grateful. Thanks. John Read EAA72 CH701 coming along nicely ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:56 PM PST US From: Klaus Truemper Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem Hi, I am guessing you have the problem addressed on the website http://www.utdallas.edu/~klaus/Airplane/elevator_cable_guide.html Happy flying, Klaus -- Klaus Truemper Professor Emeritus of Computer Science University of Texas at Dallas Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and Computer Science EC31 P.O. Box 830688 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (972) 883-2712 klaus@utdallas.edu www.utdallas.edu/~klaus ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:12 PM PST US From: Klaus Truemper Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601HD canopy Hi, the website http://www.utdallas.edu/~klaus/Airplane/canopy_latches.html shows an alternate latching mechanism that is positively locked from the in side and cannot be opened accidentally. The biggest drawback of the side-opening is in high wind conditions. At that time, one must be VERY careful so that the canopy does not take off. I had that once in California, with 30 kts gusting to 37. It was very difficult to get out of the plane without inflicing damage on the canopy. The other drawback is the inconvenence of opening and closing and opening and closing when loading the plane. Oh well, I had that system now for 11 years, and am used to it. But convenient it is not. Happy flying, Klaus -- Klaus Truemper Professor Emeritus of Computer Science University of Texas at Dallas Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and Computer Science EC31 P.O. Box 830688 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (972) 883-2712 klaus@utdallas.edu www.utdallas.edu/~klaus ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:27 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: a Polish 601 Dave, The aircraft is the AT-3 and it's exceedingly well done. There were several things on it that one tends to learn from and look back saying I could have solved it this way too. The wood in the crating I saw was clear, straight grained and no knots to 18 feet and I would have liked to have taken it home. Larry McFarland do not archive dgardea(at)gmail.com wrote: > > I googled Aero in Poland and came up with their site: > http://www.at-3.com/en/company > > Larry, not sure if this is the plane you saw but the pic on their home page has a 601XL looking aircraft. Talk about a quick build kit .. look how they pack it into that container. > > -------- > Dave Gardea > 601XL - Corvair > working on wings > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:24 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gear Questions A couple of years ago, I got mine from CZAW. Nice people to work with. Each gear leg, with wheel and brake, came in at about 12.5 pounds per side. They also sent mounting hardware, which I modified a little to strengthen it to my paranoid specifications. It went pretty well. I haven't drop tested it yet, but expect good results. Paul Rodriguez 601XL/Corvair ----- Original Message ----- From: David Downey To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:22 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gear Questions Michael; I believe that the gear at ACS is 2 piece. This would be a redesign for the adventuresome, with complicated bending and load transfer considerations. Michael Valentine > wrote: Going through the archives, there still seems to be very little about alternative landing gear. So, I will ask again...! Does anyone have some specific experience to share regarding installing either Grove gear or the composite gear? Speaking of which, I can't actually find Grove gear for the 601 - the sites only seem to list gear for the 701. Specifically, what Grove gear are people installing? BTW, I spoke with the factory and they said that although they are exploring the composite gear, it is only going to be offered to European customers. Has anyone here actually installed the Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:13 PM PST US From: "Kevin L. Rupert" Subject: Zenith-List: Composite Gear I too have been wondering what gear other than the Grove Alum. Gear is available. There is a picture on the Zenith 601XL page of a taildragger 601 and it clearly does not have the bent aluminum gear on it. I wonder what it is and where it came from. Kevin R. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:59 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem From: "jetboy" I think that website fix is for the 601? The 701 is quite different. Mine has this problem also. It was assembled and rigged by CZAW so it arrived to me with elevator cable tension just applying at stick neural position, and springback effect if the aileron is held over to the right. This is a niusance as its hard to push owtwards with ones arm, flying from the left seat. the bungee installed in the location shown has no influence on this. I was cosidering applying another bungee much closer to the control end of the cables, to add bias tension to the other cable, but i trialled doing this by hand and wasnt convinced it would correct the issue. I enquired to ZAC but got no response, I am following this up again now. I feel that if the elevator control horn that the cables connect to was folded to the left so that the cable holes were in line with the aileron tube centreline, the tension would only increase, both directions of stick travel. This mod might require two bends about 5 degress, each about 1" either side out of the centreline of the horn? My concern is that doing this might render the horn more prone to collapse under overload, because it would have less strength from being bent by the slight sideways loads that would now occur, however these loads probably already exist while the aileron is over to the left or right anyway? We just need the OK from the factory, as to whether there is a reason for it to be this way. Its not much fun taxying out with left down aileron and wind behind the tail, causes the stick to shake around as the elevator wobbles (read flutter) against the loose cables. Ralph -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114988#114988 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:21 PM PST US From: xl Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Empty weights 633Z is 715 pounds empty, setup for night VFR, plus a Westech CHT monitor (6 sensors to 1 gauge) The only frill that I have is a Pioneer AM-FM radio. Joe E N633Z @ BFI CH601XL 446 hours Jabiru 3300, Sensenich wood prop http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/ On Fri, 25 May 2007, Tim Juhl wrote: > > What kind of empty weights are you 601XL builders seeing? Please > indicate what engine you installed and any equipment out of the > ordinary. Thanks! Tim > DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:21 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601HD canopy Klaus, Thanks for the link. What material have you used to line the inside of your cabin? Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Truemper Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 12:35 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601HD canopy Hi, the website http://www.utdallas.edu/~klaus/Airplane/canopy_latches.html shows an alternate latching mechanism that is positively locked from the in side and cannot be opened accidentally. The biggest drawback of the side-opening is in high wind conditions. At that time, one must be VERY careful so that the canopy does not take off. I had that once in California, with 30 kts gusting to 37. It was very difficult to get out of the plane without inflicing damage on the canopy. The other drawback is the inconvenence of opening and closing and opening and closing when loading the plane. Oh well, I had that system now for 11 years, and am used to it. But convenient it is not. Happy flying, Klaus -- Klaus Truemper Professor Emeritus of Computer Science University of Texas at Dallas Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and Computer Science EC31 P.O. Box 830688 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (972) 883-2712 klaus@utdallas.edu www.utdallas.edu/~klaus ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:32 PM PST US From: "Joe Spencer" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Elevator cable. Weird problem I think the problem is inherent to the off center control horn setup. My solution was to run the down elevator cable as slack as I could to avoid the tightening of the cable with right aileron application. So far it works ok(85 hours). I didn't install the bungee-just slipped a length of clear vinyl tubing over one of the cables and let em rub. I will periodically inspect the cable under the tubing to be sure corrision doesn't develop. Admittedly somewhat shadetree but then that's in keeping with the offset control horn. Joe ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 elevator cable.Weird problem From: "Geoff Heap" Jetboy wrote "the bungee installed in the location shown has no influence on this. I was considering applying another bungee much closer to the control end of the cables, to add bias tension to the other cable," ......Ralph....At this time I have installed a bungee about 18" to 24" back from the elevator bellcrank/horn. It's attached to a right side vertical stiffener. It had mostly the effect that I expected. I set neutral tension with right aileron. Now when I move to central and onwards to left aileron the bungee takes up the slack and maintains approx neutral tension. About 90 % of the problem went away. Next step is tweaking the position. I 'm sure I didn't get THAT lucky on my first attempt. I can probably get it a little better. Dissapointing though to find this problem now. I never heard of it before. However. what I don't like is that a bungee will be holding my elevator steady(??) while I am flying. It's probably all Zed's fault .........Geoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115011#115011 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:37 PM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 partially built kit for sale, 75 cents on the dollar My friend still has his 701 kit for sale. Tail, and one wing done. Has stuff for the other wing and an extra set of tanks. He says he will take 75 cents on the dollar, has about 9k invested. Anyone who wants to start a 701 and doesn't want to save 3k from the get go is really missing out. Sounds like a Bargain to me. E-mail me and I will put you in touch. lrm@skyhawg.com. Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:37 PM PST US From: Richard Vetterli Subject: Zenith-List: Lower engine mounts Has anybody had trouble fitting the lower engine mounts? When they are attached to the firewall as per the plans, but the mounts don't seem to quite center over the lower longerons. It seems that the front angle of the brackets are a little too flat and they don't want to follow the angle of the longerons. With a little force, I can spread them out a little, but that doesn't seem right on such a critical part. Any ideas? Rich Vetterli 601XL/Corvair Check out my progress at: www.geocities.com/stixx5a http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:36 PM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Zenith-List: N5SL Video Update A sneak peek at N5SL days away from FAA inspection and first flight Videography by David Miller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhtG3tdjIhM Scott Laughlin 601XL/Corvair www.cooknwithgas.com _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:10 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N5SL Video Update From: "TxDave" Yahoo! Looks and sounds great, Scott. Must be really exciting to be so close to that first flight. do not archive Dave Clay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115023#115023 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:35 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Updated Construction Standards for Zenair Light Airplanes From: "lwinger" Check it out. I don't know what has been added or changed, but a new version of the "Construction Standards for Zenair Light Airplanes" was posted yesterday in the builders area. -------- Larry Winger Tustin, CA 601XL #6493 from scratch Control surfaces complete/wing spars 99% done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115026#115026 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.