---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/29/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:12 AM - Re: Scratch building the wing spar (Debo Cox) 2. 06:40 AM - Re: Scratch building the wing spar (jhines) 3. 08:05 AM - Re: Electrical System (dgardea(at)gmail.com) 4. 08:24 AM - Grove Gear. (gfduncan) 5. 08:35 AM - Re: Grove Gear. (Gig Giacona) 6. 08:51 AM - Questions (Joe) 7. 09:03 AM - Re: Flap Motor switch Warning (Bill Sewell) 8. 10:10 AM - Re: Rotax912ULS/ZodiacXL - selection of propeller??? (george may) 9. 12:14 PM - Re: Electrical System (Ron Lendon) 10. 12:41 PM - Re: Questions (Bryan Martin) 11. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Electrical System (Juan Vega) 12. 01:51 PM - Re: Questions (Juan Vega) 13. 02:19 PM - Re:Zenith-List () 14. 03:16 PM - Re: Re: Scratch building the wing spar (Bill Naumuk) 15. 06:35 PM - Willim,Wynne (Ralph Mirabal) 16. 07:29 PM - new to the list (Ben Ramler) 17. 08:03 PM - Re: Willim,Wynne (Robin Bellach) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:54 AM PST US From: Debo Cox Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scratch building the wing spar Hey John! Welcome back. I wondered what had happened to you. I saw that you were building a new shop and figured you were tied up with that. I'm still going to order one of those cool hats from your friend.=0A=0AAlthough I'm certainly no expert, I documented scratchbuilding my spars on my kitlog sit e. Check it out. If you're like me, having a number of resources to draw fr om gives me a good idea of what I'm getting myself into. Scratchbuilding yo ur spars is totally do-able, just be prepared to do your best, most accurat e work, and be prepared to learn a few new skills (solid riveting, precise hole drilling, etc.). Here's the link:=0A=0Awww.mykitlog.com/debo=0A=0A=0AD ebo Cox=0ANags Head, NC=0AXL/Corvair=0AWorking on wings=0A=0A=0A----- Origi nal Message ----=0AFrom: jhines =0ATo: zenith-list@ma tronics.com=0ASent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:35:45 PM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: "jhines" =0A=0AMy project has been on hold for a whil e. I shifted gears after I finished the tail kit and decided to start scra tch building from hear on. I have a lot of parts cut out but I haven=A2t p opped a rivet in about a year. Of course the spar is complete when you pur chase a kit so the standard instructions don=A2t have any information on th e assembly process. Is there a resource out there about scratch building t he wing spar?=0A=0A--------=0AJohn Hines=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onli ne here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115276#115276 ========0A=0A=0A =0A___________________________________ _________________________________________________=0AMoody friends. Drama qu eens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo ! Games.=0Ahttp://sims.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:14 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch building the wing spar From: "jhines" Thanks for all the info and incouragement. I am still finishing up my shop but I am dieing to get started again. John -------- John Hines Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115358#115358 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:41 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Electrical System From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" Mike, Sounds like you have visited the Aeroelectric Connection site, but I definitely recommend you purchase the book as well. It is loaded with schematics and has offers practical knowledge for wiring your plane. It's written so you do not need to be an electrical engineer, but IMHO offers the best and safest solutions for wiring your aircraft. I'm nowhere near the phase of the building process you're at, but I have been reading this book when not building. Regards, Dave Gardea do not archive -------- Dave Gardea 601XL - Corvair working on wings http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115375#115375 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:34 AM PST US From: "gfduncan" Subject: Zenith-List: Grove Gear. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:18 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Grove Gear. From: "Gig Giacona" Can't see you message in the forums. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115381#115381 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:12 AM PST US From: "Joe" Subject: Zenith-List: Questions Hi Everyone. I have a few questions. I'm up to the fuel and electrical system for my 601 XL. Why does the fuel system tee off to the two different fuel pumps? Wouldn't it be better to go from the gasolator to the electric fuel pump to the mechanical pump to the engine? The parts count would be less. Is it safer to run them in paralell like the plans call for? I've never trusted T fittings and you could eliminate 2 of them by running them together. What size wire are you using for different items like the fuel pump, nav lights, battery cable, etc? I'm ordering everything I need today. I appreciate any help. Thanks. Anyone featuring electrical wiring on their personal WebPages with pictures? Joe in Oshkosh 601 XL ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:54 AM PST US From: "Bill Sewell" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Flap Motor switch Warning I just ran into the problem described below. After doing some research, I discovered that Honeywell has replaced the discontinued micro switch V3L-3 with micro switch V3-1 and roller leaf assembly JV-5. I purchased them online at www.gopherelectronics.com for $18.41 each plus shipping ($8.31 for V3-1 and $10.10 for JV-5). Here is a link to the data sheet: http://www.n601bz.com/ch601xl/Introduction/v3.pdf Bill Sewell N601BZ *Match: * *#9* *Message: * *#32297* *From: * *Sigmo(at)aol.com* *Date: * *Mar 04, 2005* *Subject: * *Flap Motor switch Warning * Caution: If you are using a Commercial Aircraft products Flap motor DO NOT break one of the up or down roller limit switches. The V3L-3 Honeywell/Micro switch has been discontinued and after trying extensively to locate another switch that will fit the D145 flap motor I am unable to find one of the right dimensions that will work on this design. Commercial Aircraft will not sell you one of their stock. Honeywell will not sell you one of their stock. The authorized suppliers will sell you one of these $5 switches for $50 to $70 dollars which will be shipped from Honeywell. An expensive lesson learned about using loctite and trying to remove the screw..... P.S. I bought the only two I could find on the Honeywell dealers inventory list that were less than $50 and they were $28 each. Mike Sigman Zodiac 601XL N7092N *End Msg: * *#9 * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:08 AM PST US From: "george may" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rotax912ULS/ZodiacXL - selection of propeller??? Martin-- I'm flying a 601XL with a Rotax 912uls turning a woodcomp Klassic prop. With a compromise setting for climb and cruise I'm seeing about 120mph at 5400-5500 with a max of about 129mph. Typical climb is 1000-1200fpm. George May 601XL 912s--82 hours >From: "Martin Pohl" >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Rotax912ULS/ZodiacXL - selection of propeller??? >Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:20:02 -0700 > > >Hi folks > >I have to decide on which propeller to install in my Zodiac XL very soon. I >did a search through this forum and got some good information about >different propeller installations. > >Nevertheless I am specifically interested in Rotax 912ULS-powered planes >(which prop do you use, what performance do you get). I still don't know >whether I go for a fixed pitch or a constant speed prop. > >Looking forward to getting some advice!!! > >Cheers Martin >CH601XL "HB-YNA" > >-------- >Martin Pohl >Zodiac XL QBK >8645 Jona, Switzerland >www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115075#115075 > > _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live Hotmail. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:29 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Electrical System From: "Ron Lendon" Mike, Like Dave said, Buy the book and draw your own sketch of how things should connect. Use pencil and eraser, I get the big rectangle kind, and have at it. It is all about learning and doing. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115413#115413 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:47 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Questions A non operating fuel pump will restrict the flow of fuel to some degree. Sucking fuel through this restriction, under some circumstances, can lead to vapor lock. With the pumps in parallel, each pump has an unrestricted supply of fuel and there's less chance of vapor lock. The facet fuel pumps will run on a 5 Amp circuit so 18 AWG wire will work. For most circuits, find out what the steady state current draw is, add at least 50% and choose a wire and fuse appropriately. The length of the wire run may be a factor in choosing the right size wire. (Rule of thumb: no more than 3% voltage drop over the length of the wire.) There are aircraft wire size calculators on the web that may help. For your battery cable, you will probably need at least #4 wire. If the battery is in the tail for balance purposes, you will probably need #2 wire. Although there is no requirement to, I would recommend you use aircraft grade Tefzel wire, at least in the cabin area. If something does short out and burn, tefzel won't give off toxic smoke. Joe wrote: > > Hi Everyone. > > I have a few questions. > > I'm up to the fuel and electrical system for my 601 XL. Why does the > fuel system tee off to the two different fuel pumps? Wouldn't it be > better to go from the gasolator to the electric fuel pump to the > mechanical pump to the engine? The parts count would be less. Is it > safer to run them in paralell like the plans call for? I've never > trusted T fittings and you could eliminate 2 of them by running them > together. > > What size wire are you using for different items like the fuel pump, nav > lights, battery cable, etc? I'm ordering everything I need today. I > appreciate any help. Thanks. > > Anyone featuring electrical wiring on their personal WebPages with > pictures? > -- Bryan Martin Zenith 601XL N61BM Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:55 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electrical System Mike, email me off line, I have a drawing i can try to scan. amyvega2005@earthlink.net Juan Vega 601xl, jab 3300 -----Original Message----- >From: Ron Lendon >Sent: May 29, 2007 3:13 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Electrical System > > >Mike, > >Like Dave said, Buy the book and draw your own sketch of how things should connect. Use pencil and eraser, I get the big rectangle kind, and have at it. It is all about learning and doing. > >-------- >Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI >Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) >http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115413#115413 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:56 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Questions the rule I was told is run the tanks to the tank selector, then gascolator, then the pump. GC cleans any debrise before going to pump. -----Original Message----- >From: Joe >Sent: May 29, 2007 11:50 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Questions > > >Hi Everyone. > >I have a few questions. > >I'm up to the fuel and electrical system for my 601 XL. Why does the fuel >system tee off to the two different fuel pumps? Wouldn't it be better to go >from the gasolator to the electric fuel pump to the mechanical pump to the >engine? The parts count would be less. Is it safer to run them in paralell >like the plans call for? I've never trusted T fittings and you could >eliminate 2 of them by running them together. > >What size wire are you using for different items like the fuel pump, nav >lights, battery cable, etc? I'm ordering everything I need today. I >appreciate any help. Thanks. > >Anyone featuring electrical wiring on their personal WebPages with pictures? > >Joe in Oshkosh >601 XL > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:17 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Zenith-List 701 STOL FOR SALE - kit completed and now ready for firewall forward/engine. Advertised on Barnstormers or email for more details. Located in Arizona. Gayla ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:24 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch building the wing spar I set my drill press in the middle of the shop with roller stands on both ends. As Ron says, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa You'll need to set up your drill press either in the middle of your table > Disclaimer: I realize there are a number of ways to make your spars. > These are just the ways that worked for me. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:41 PM PST US From: "Ralph Mirabal" Subject: Zenith-List: Willim,Wynne Help please! First let me start by thanking everybody on this list for all the good tips that I had catch on this end. My name is Ralph,Mirabal 601hd td corvair builder or maybe not. Question is there any one flying an 601hd tri or td with a VW engine? I may have to install a VW in place of corvair build by William,Wynne. Help! please help can anybody tell me if you have talk to WW by email or phone after the 16may,2007 if is so can you please email me on this list or ralphmirabal@hotmail.com /ralphmirabal@bellsouth.net you can also call at 305-986-1989. I really need help. my hd is almost finish, but I may stop all together and sale it after two and the half years of building it. I live in Miami,FL thank you all R.M. _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows Live Hotmail. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:22 PM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Zenith-List: new to the list Hi everyone, My name is Ben Ramler. I used to be a member of the list. I discontinued my membership because I was on to many lists. I find myself rejoining because I still have an interest in the 701. I'm interested in the 701 because I like the low and slow capability that it offers. for me speed is not required. I was wondering if there any 701 owners in the upper midwest or Minnesota. How are the kits? what is visibility like out of them? Thanks & take Care, Ben Central MN http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:03 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Willim,Wynne Ralph The most people who have recently talked to WW can best be reached on the Corvair list - http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Mirabal" Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Willim,Wynne > > > Help please! > First let me start by thanking everybody on this list for all the good > tips that I had catch on this end. > My name is Ralph,Mirabal 601hd td corvair builder or maybe not. > Question is there any one flying an 601hd tri or td with a VW engine? I > may have to install a VW in place of corvair build by William,Wynne. > > Help! please help can anybody tell me if you have talk to WW by email or > phone after the 16may,2007 > if is so can you please email me on this list or ralphmirabal@hotmail.com > /ralphmirabal@bellsouth.net > you can also call at 305-986-1989. > I really need help. my hd is almost finish, but I may stop all together > and sale it after two and the half > years of building it. I live in Miami,FL thank you all > > R.M. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? 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