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1. 08:26 AM - Lead time for 601 FWF kit (Geoff Heap)
2. 08:53 AM - Re: Lead time for 601 FWF kit (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
3. 09:24 AM - Re: Lead time for 601 FWF kit (Geoff Heap)
4. 09:29 AM - Re: Lead time for 601 FWF kit (Dan)
5. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator install (Clive Richards)
6. 12:35 PM - Factory Support (robert stone)
7. 12:55 PM - Re: Factory Support (Craig Payne)
8. 01:40 PM - Re: Gascolator install (Martin Pohl)
9. 01:47 PM - zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? (David Downey)
10. 03:15 PM - 2007 Valdez May Day Fly-In Results? (squiggles)
11. 04:01 PM - Re: Main gear axle drilling guide (Jaybannist@cs.com)
12. 04:03 PM - Re: When to rivet rear fuselage (wade jones)
13. 04:26 PM - Re: Main gear axle drilling guide (Tim Juhl)
14. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Main gear axle drilling guide (xl)
15. 05:40 PM - Re: When to rivet rear fuselage (DaveG601XL)
16. 05:49 PM - Chat (leinad)
17. 05:56 PM - 701 Fuel tanks. (Damien and Kathy)
18. 06:27 PM - Re: Chat (Robin Bellach)
19. 06:53 PM - Re: Factory Support (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
20. 07:17 PM - Re: 701 Fuel tanks. (ricklach)
21. 07:49 PM - Zenith wing skins (dgardea(at)gmail.com)
22. 08:24 PM - Re: Zenith wing skins (Ronald Steele)
23. 09:44 PM - Re: Zenith wing skins (Paul Mulwitz)
24. 11:06 PM - Re: Chat (n801bh@netzero.com)
25. 11:14 PM - Re: Factory Support (n801bh@netzero.com)
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| Subject: | Lead time for 601 FWF kit |
I'd be interested to here from my 601 brothers out there what has been your wait/Lead
time for a FWF kit. I've been witing approx 10 weeks so far and I still
can't even get an ESTIMATE of when I can get my 701 FWF kit. They have the resources
I'm sure. They just don't see a priority here. I'm told that other 701
builders have been waiting longer than me. I have requested that they order my
propeller at least and ship that but nothing. Guess they like holding my money.
I'm sure they would improve delivery if customers paid 30 days net. Maybe
that helps explain why so many kit companies went under. If you get the money
first. Whats your incentive to deliver?
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| Subject: | Re: Lead time for 601 FWF kit |
Geoff:
I'm probable the LEAST qualified person to answer this post since I have had
nothing but excellent service from the factory. But, with a career in
customer service and fulfillment, I'll give it a go....
In custom manufacturing, 10 weeks is a blink of an eye. Zenith is tooled up
to produce kits, and that is what they do best: a whole bunch of bent-up
aluminum in a shipping crate! Don't misunderstand, I am grateful for that as
I
am sure the raw material sourcing has been done correctly and the parts will
be right. These are the same reasons you chose to order an FWF kit as
opposed to sourcing everything yourself. Even though this is what they do best,
a
six to 12 week lead time is not unusual.
BUT, a FWF kit is VERY low production with, I presume, not much material
tied up in inventory. So, everything you will get is made specifically for you.
This takes LOTS of time since (and this is where I don't necessarily agree
with you) this takes resources I am not convinced they have. This is a small
business and these is only so many man-hours to go around.
You want to read about supplier nightmares? Go to _www.flycorvair.com_
(http://www.flycorvair.com) and read the history there about slow parts
deliveries.....from the SUPPLIERS point of view. I think you'll find the only
frustration greater than waiting for parts is the frustration of dealing with
people
waiting for parts !!!! Everyone suffers.
I hope you see your kit soon.
Good luck.
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl N458XL (reserved)
do not archive
In a message dated 6/3/2007 11:27:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
stol10@comcast.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
I'd be interested to here from my 601 brothers out there what has been your
wait/Lead time for a FWF kit. I've been witing approx 10 weeks so far and I
still can't even get an ESTIMATE of when I can get my 701 FWF kit. They have
the resources I'm sure. They just don't see a priority here. I'm told that
other 701 builders have been waiting longer than me. I have requested that they
order my propeller at least and ship that but nothing. Guess they like
holding my money. I'm sure they would improve delivery if customers paid 30 days
net. Maybe that helps explain why so many kit companies went under. If you get
the money first. Whats your incentive to deliver?
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Lead time for 601 FWF kit |
Thanks Tracy and I should have said Brothers and Sisters. However, I work in a
production enviroment and am familiar with points you made but we are at the mercy
of our customers goodwill and even if we are late or see that we will be
late we HAVE to tell the customer up front in the interests of our credibility.
So far I have called ZAC 4 times at several week intervals and I have not even
a guess at when they can deliver. Actually I,m not really pissed and I do sympathise
but I'd like an answer. The majority of the parts are subcrontacted
by the way. Why can't they lean on their suppliers? (It's called buisiness) The
parts of the kit that come from Zac are generally sawcut and tossed in the box.
By the way I sent a copy to Sebastion.
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| Subject: | Re: Lead time for 601 FWF kit |
I ordered my firewall forward (for a 701) in February and it took about 90 days.
However, I am still waiting for some small parts to complete the order. Zenith
has not charged me for the 2nd half of the cost and are not holding any of
my money. I assume they will charge my card once the order is complete.
Dan Wilde
Do not archive
Geoff Heap wrote:
>
> I'd be interested to here from my 601 brothers out there what has been your wait/Lead
time for a FWF kit. I've been witing approx 10 weeks so far and I still
can't even get an ESTIMATE of when I can get my 701 FWF kit. They have the
resources I'm sure. They just don't see a priority here. I'm told that other 701
builders have been waiting longer than me. I have requested that they order
my propeller at least and ship that but nothing. Guess they like holding my money.
I'm sure they would improve delivery if customers paid 30 days net. Maybe
that helps explain why so many kit companies went under. If you get the money
first. Whats your incentive to deliver?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gascolator install |
Mike
I would think the PFA would be very happy with an adair.
Ray fitted one from light aero their part no 10550 looks like the ACS one
mentioned in other list reply. look on their web site www.lasaero.com now
replaced by their part No 10580
I would check with your inspector but there may be a list of mandatory mods
to the kit requierd by the PFA the gascolator was for the 601HD
Clive
----- Original Message -----
From: "flyingmike9" <mlloyd9@csi.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:49 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Gascolator install
>
> do you think the PFA will allow the adair gascolator
>
> i not that impressed with the alluminum box that coms from zac
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116087#116087
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I have seen a good many posts that claim good factory support. I
would like to know what the secret is since I have sent three questions
to Zenith and have yet to receive an answer to any of them. I have a
completed Zodiac601XL that my dad had built and then gave it to me.
Also the ZodiacXL is touted as an easy aircraft to fly and this is
anything but true. I am still trying to learn to land on a calm day and
cross-wind landing are almost impossible to get right. My log book shows
258 hours in Spam Cans so I am a low time pilot. I have an instructor
CFI/CFII that says "This is a high time pilot aircraft"
Tracy Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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E-mail to and from the factory can be unreliable. If you don't get a
response in a reasonable time call them.
I'm a 100 hour pilot and my landings in an XL are just as bad as the ones
made in 172s, Katanas and Evektor Sportstars.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Gascolator install |
Mike
Check this Type Acceptance Certificate Datasheet:
It shows the necessary modifications for the XL (CZAW kit).
Cheers Martin
(building XL in Switzerland)
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Martin Pohl
Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
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| Subject: | zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? |
Please advise me on this: any know the hard differentiating factors that would
drive someone to choose one or the other? In the old days ZCP was the only way
to go. Now I keep hearing about the ZPP - and it is cheaper...
Thanks.
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | 2007 Valdez May Day Fly-In Results? |
Did any Zenith's compete in this years competition? I saw Bill Wilcox took first
:) in last years competition...
-Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear axle drilling guide |
Tim,
I invested in one of the drilling guides. I also made a template on CAD to
optimize the location and rotation of the holes. I used the drilling guide on
the first one. It really wasn't that much help and I wound up reaming the
guide holes during the process. Therefore, I didn't use the guide on the second
one. I just used the template I had made to locate the holes and "eyeballed"
it. It worked out just fine. I would be glad to send you the drill guide,
but it really is useless. I would also be glad to send you my template, as a pdf
if you want.
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: When to rivet rear fuselage |
Hello group ,I am at the stage where I am ready to take my fuselage off
the table and put it on the saw horse .I have completed all the riveting
with the exception of the top skins .The reason I did not take it off
the table sooner was that I believe I had better control keeping it
straight and level while riveting .My next move is to the saw horse
,then slide my spars into the center section spar to see if all fits
well. leaving it on the table helps to alien all the parts but many
times I was having to stand on a box to reach inside even at 6' tall .
So far this has worked for me .DO NOT ARCHIVE
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Moody II
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: When to rivet rear fuselage
Also, if you have a squeezer and dimple dies, set 4 - 6 flush-set A4
tack rivets on each side to hold the rear side skins to the top
longerons. It really helps keep things trued up the way they were when
rivetted.
Dred
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear axle drilling guide |
Thanks Jay - Robin sent me his drilling guide. I haven't decided but I'm considering
the approach of using a transfer punch with the guide and then drilling
the holes with a slightly undersize bit (size D) then reaming them to size.
It can't be that critical but when I look at that big piece of aluminum I don't
want to screw up :-)
Tim
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
______________
CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear axle drilling guide |
It is critical that the holes in the landing gear be aligned with the
holes in the axle (that's what a template or 'guide' will get you).
But it is also critical that the holes in the gear are at 90 degrees
to the cross section of the gear. If the holes are not all 'straight
through' the gear the bolts may not all fit and if they do they may
not be straight. If the bolts aren't straight the bolts may not all
fit the axle.
I find that it's difficult to drill a perpendicular hole, free hand, with
a 'regular size' drill bit. One has to keep the bit aligned in two axis.
And I don't think that a tranfer punch will be accurate enough. Once you
put a hole through the gear any other bits that you put through will
follow that path. The gear hole postions have to match the axle holes
within a few thousands of an inch - on both sides of the gear...
I used the axle as a guide, with a bushing to protect it and an 8"
long drill so that I would have something to align the two axis.
(search on 'XL Axle to landing gear' for that thread and more details).
(message #25323 but I don't know how to search on a message id.)
How about using a piece of aluminum or hardwood the same thickness
as the gear to practice? It's not easy to manually drill 4 precisely
placed perpendicular holes through a 3/4" thick landing gear.
I'm not a machinist. I built my kitplane with an electric drill,
hand riveter, electric drill, and a file, oh - snips + a nibbler, too.
I have drilled poorly aligned holes by hand. That's why I figured out
how to align the drill well.
Joe E
N633Z @ BFI
CH601XL, Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 49x64 wood prop
450 hours
http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/
> do not archive
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Tim Juhl wrote:
> Thanks Jay - Robin sent me his drilling guide. I haven't decided but
> I'm considering the approach of using a transfer punch with the guide
> and then drilling the holes with a slightly undersize bit (size D) then
> reaming them to size. It can't be that critical but when I look at that
> big piece of aluminum I don't want to screw up :-)
> Tim
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| Subject: | Re: When to rivet rear fuselage |
Wade,
I did the same thing and kept my fuselage on a table the whole time. It was a
pain to access the bottom to drill, but it can be done with some extra thinking
and planning involved. I am now ready to take mine off and get it on the gear.
Building it per the plans with saw horses is probably the way to go, but
I had been using my table to store parts and tools due to my limited space. I
could not disperse those items to build on saw horses so I stuck with the table.
Good luck.
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David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
working on fueslage.
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Is there a Zenair 601/701 chat? If not would anyone be interested in getting one
going?
Dan Dempsey (601XL/Corvair plans building.. 50% complete MAYBE)
Do not archive
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Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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Group:
I am looking at a 701 that is for sale. It is a 1986 model that was
completed in 1991. It has a total fuel capacity of 13 gallons. It has a
5 gallon header tank and two 4 gallon tanks in the wings.
Does anyone know if Zenair used to make 4 gallon wing tanks ?
Thanks.
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Just curious, but do you not like the chat on this list and dislike 801's?
Still do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 7:48 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Chat
>
> Is there a Zenair 601/701 chat? If not would anyone be interested in
> getting one going?
>
> Dan Dempsey (601XL/Corvair plans building.. 50% complete MAYBE)
>
> Do not archive
>
> --------
> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Factory Support |
Hello Tracy:
Only two suggestions:
- Zenith has limited resources, just like any other business. If you sent
your inquiries in during an incredibly busy time, say, during Sun & Fun,
there will be a delay in response. Or maybe, if your inquiry required an expert
response, that, too, will take time. But for everyday inquiries I have never
been less than completely satisified with Zenith response.
- As far as being difficult to fly, maybe it's time that an EXPERIENCED
601XL pilot had some left seat time in YOUR Zodiac and see exactly what is going
on. MAYBE yours is in need of some very small fine-tuning to make it an
exceptional aircraft - it could be that simple. As far as your CFII's comments,
maybe he is right with regard to YOUR aircraft set up as it is RIGHT NOW.
Somehow I doubt he would be an expert in 601XL handling characteristics to be
able to pass judgement on the whole family of 601's.
No, my 601 is not flying yet, but I can tell you I have trusted friends and
mechanics 'test ride' my Harley every so often to pick up on the little things
I pass over and regard as 'normal'. I have a 100% perfectly reliable,
dependable, safe and maintained FLTC because I work at it and on it.
Just my 2 cents worth...I'm not trying to patronize you, but to encourage
you to look for answers.
Best of luck
Tracy Smith
601XL N458XL (reserved)
In a message dated 6/3/2007 3:36:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rstone4@hot.rr.com writes:
I have seen a good many posts that claim good factory support. I would
like to know what the secret is since I have sent three questions to Zenith
and have yet to receive an answer to any of them. I have a completed
Zodiac601XL that my dad had built and then gave it to me.
Also the ZodiacXL is touted as an easy aircraft to fly and this is
anything but true. I am still trying to learn to land on a calm day and
cross-wind landing are almost impossible to get right. My log book shows 258 hours
in Spam Cans so I am a low time pilot. I have an instructor CFI/CFII that
says "This is a high time pilot aircraft"
Tracy Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Fuel tanks. |
I have two 701s, one built in the early 90s and one and one built in early 2000.
Both have 5-GAL tanks, or so I was told when I got the airplanes. I called Zenith
and they knew of them but did not provide any real information. I have
not heard of any 4-gal tanks, but a scratch builder could have built anything
that he wanted.
Rick
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| Subject: | Zenith wing skins |
Hello 601XL kit builders .. anyone receive bottom wing skins with the tiedown slot
precut to the outboard side (flange side) of rear rib #9? Of course the plans
have you mounting the tiedown on the inboard side of rr #9 which makes sense.
I am now faced with developing some way of mounting the tiedown by bringing
it out even with the flange to match the very generous precut slot in the skin.
Anyone run into this and develop a solution? Also a little odd that Zenith
has chosen to predrill the spar edge of the top and bottom skins since the nose
skin overlaps those skins thus rendering the pre-drilled holes kinda useless.
I suppose I will try to tuck the nose skin under the top and bottom skins to
try to transfer those predrilled holes to the nose skin before drilling and
then move back on top to cleco. Your experience with this and solutions are appreciated.
Thanks,
Dave Gardea
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Dave Gardea
601XL - Corvair
working on wings
http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith wing skins |
Can't speak to the tiedown, but with regards to the skins, this is
exactly the way the current rudder kit works. Slip the nose skin
under the tail skin, drill, remove and then cleco the nose skin over
the tail skin.
Ron
On Jun 3, 2007, at 10:47 PM, dgardea(at)gmail.com wrote:
> <dgardea@gmail.com>
>
> Hello 601XL kit builders .. anyone receive bottom wing skins with
> the tiedown slot precut to the outboard side (flange side) of rear
> rib #9? Of course the plans have you mounting the tiedown on the
> inboard side of rr #9 which makes sense. I am now faced with
> developing some way of mounting the tiedown by bringing it out even
> with the flange to match the very generous precut slot in the skin.
> Anyone run into this and develop a solution? Also a little odd that
> Zenith has chosen to predrill the spar edge of the top and bottom
> skins since the nose skin overlaps those skins thus rendering the
> pre-drilled holes kinda useless. I suppose I will try to tuck the
> nose skin under the top and bottom skins to try to transfer those
> predrilled holes to the nose skin before drilling and then move
> back on top to cleco. Your experience with this and solutions are
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Gardea
>
> --------
> Dave Gardea
> 601XL - Corvair
> working on wings
> http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith wing skins |
Hi Dave,
I had to scrap my first wing because I followed the directions with
perhaps less than perfect skill. I damaged the spar cap angles by
drilling the holes in the wrong places. The original directions I
had called for magically drilling the nose skin, rear skin, and spar
cap angle all at once after building most of the wing. I solved this
problem in the next two wings by drilling the holes in the spar cap
angles first - long before installing the nose skin.
If you mark the center line of the spar cap angles and drill the rear
skin to the spar before doing anything else (except perhaps aligning
the skin with the rear ribs) then you will be sure of making these
critical holes in the right places. You can then drill the nose skin
as mentioned by inserting it between the rear skin (once it is
completely drilled and clecoed in place) and the spar. You can press
the nose skin into place using the web clamps as shown for the
elevator. When it comes time to rivet the three parts together just
position the nose skin on top of the rear skin.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 07:47 PM 6/3/2007, you wrote:
>
>Hello 601XL kit builders .. anyone receive bottom wing skins with
>the tiedown slot precut to the outboard side (flange side) of rear
>rib #9? Of course the plans have you mounting the tiedown on the
>inboard side of rr #9 which makes sense. I am now faced with
>developing some way of mounting the tiedown by bringing it out even
>with the flange to match the very generous precut slot in the skin.
>Anyone run into this and develop a solution? Also a little odd that
>Zenith has chosen to predrill the spar edge of the top and bottom
>skins since the nose skin overlaps those skins thus rendering the
>pre-drilled holes kinda useless. I suppose I will try to tuck the
>nose skin under the top and bottom skins to try to transfer those
>predrilled holes to the nose skin before drilling and then move back
>on top to cleco. Your experience with this and solutions are appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dave Gardea
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For what it's worth several of us 801 builders used to meet every Saturd
ay morning using Yahoo messenger. It was usually between me, Jim Frisby,
Haiko Eishler, Gary Liming and a few others. I was a great way to netwo
rk between us and as luck would have it we were all at about the same s
tage of construction too. We brainstormed, cussed the manual, conceived
some wonderful ideas. In fact the Frisby no slot flaperons were brought
to life that way, I researched the Yamaha steering rod boots while we w
ere discussing a way to seal up that opening. Yahoo messenger is free a
nd if you have a mic and speakers on your puter it made the event even m
ore delightful, as I HATE typing. <G> YMMV
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:
Just curious, but do you not like the chat on this list and dislike 801'
s?
Still do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 7:48 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Chat
>
> Is there a Zenair 601/701 chat? If not would anyone be interested in
> getting one going?
>
> Dan Dempsey (601XL/Corvair plans building.. 50% complete MAYBE)
>
> Do not archive
>
> --------
> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116251#116251
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to network between us and as luck would have it we were all at ab
out the same stage of construction too. We brainstormed, cussed th
e manual, conceived some wonderful ideas. In fact the Frisby no slot fla
perons were brought to life that way, I researched the Yamaha steering r
od boots while we were discussing a way to seal up that opening. Y
ahoo messenger is free and if you have a mic and speakers on your puter
it made the event even more delightful, as I HATE typing. <G>
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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
I have had nothing but GREAT factory support during the build of my 80
1. Nick, Roger, Sebastion, Shirley and any other person that answered th
e phone or my emails were wonderful all the time. Zenith Aircraft has be
en the best company to do business with so far during my 52 years on thi
s planet.... I want this archived too cause to me their business ethic i
s to be complamented. Ben I have seen a good many posts that claim
good factory support. I would like to know what the secret is since I
have sent three questions to Zenith and have yet to receive an answer to
any of them. I have a completed Zodiac601XL that my dad had built and
then gave it to me. Also the ZodiacXL is touted as an easy aircraft
to fly and this is anything but true. I am still trying to learn to la
nd on a calm day and cross-wind landing are almost impossible to get rig
ht. My log book shows 258 hours in Spam Cans so I am a low time pilot.
I have an instructor CFI/CFII that says "This is a high time pilot aircr
aft" Tracy StoneHarker Heights, TxZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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<DIV> I have had nothing but GREAT factory support during the
build of my 801. Nick, Roger, Sebastion, Shirley and any other person th
at answered the phone or my emails were wonderful all the time. Zenith A
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2 years on this planet....</DIV>
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cXL is touted as an easy aircraft to fly and this is anything but true.&
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nding are almost impossible to get right. My log book sho
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