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1. 12:29 AM - Nut plates also lock nuts? (Craig Payne)
2. 03:54 AM - Re: Zenith wing skins (Ashley)
3. 04:11 AM - Re: xxx Nut plates also lock nuts? (John Bolding)
4. 04:18 AM - Re: Re: 701 Fuel tanks. (MacDonald Doug)
5. 04:33 AM - Re: Zenith wing skins (dgardea(at)gmail.com)
6. 04:33 AM - Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? (NYTerminat@aol.com)
7. 04:44 AM - Re: Factory Support (Juan Vega)
8. 04:54 AM - Re: Chat (Rob St Denis)
9. 05:33 AM - Factory Support (Frank Derfler)
10. 06:11 AM - Re: Factory Support (Dave Austin)
11. 06:58 AM - Re: Zenith wing skins ()
12. 07:00 AM - Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? ()
13. 07:14 AM - Rocky Mountain EAA Regional Fly-In (Gig Giacona)
14. 07:36 AM - landing gear placement (john butterfield)
15. 08:03 AM - Re: landing gear placement ()
16. 08:06 AM - Re: Factory Support (Clive Richards)
17. 08:18 AM - Re: landing gear placement (ken smith)
18. 08:21 AM - Re: landing gear placement (Bryan Martin)
19. 08:46 AM - Re: Zenith wing skins (Tim Juhl)
20. 09:17 AM - Re: Rocky Mountain EAA Regional Fly-In (robert stone)
21. 09:24 AM - Cockpit heat (robert stone)
22. 09:58 AM - Re: landing gear placement (Paul Mulwitz)
23. 10:17 AM - Re: Cockpit heat (ronlee)
24. 10:39 AM - Re: Main gear axle drilling guide (ronlee)
25. 10:43 AM - Re: Zenith wing skins (dgardea(at)gmail.com)
26. 11:50 AM - Re: Cockpit heat (Bryan Martin)
27. 12:17 PM - Re: Cockpit heat (Gig Giacona)
28. 12:21 PM - Re: landing gear placement (Bryan Martin)
29. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Cockpit heat (Bryan Martin)
30. 12:45 PM - Re: Zenith wing skins (Ian McClelland)
31. 12:49 PM - Re: Cockpit heat ()
32. 01:25 PM - Re: landing gear placement (Paul Mulwitz)
33. 01:29 PM - Grove Gear. (gfduncan)
34. 01:35 PM - Re: landing gear placement (Juan Vega)
35. 02:01 PM - Re: Cockpit heat (Gig Giacona)
36. 02:02 PM - Re: Grove Gear. (Gig Giacona)
37. 02:58 PM - Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? (George Swinford)
38. 03:04 PM - Re: Cockpit heat (Southern Reflections)
39. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: Cockpit heat (Bryan Martin)
40. 03:48 PM - GPS Recommendation (Ken Arnold)
41. 04:05 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Juan Vega)
42. 04:28 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (ZodieRocket)
43. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: 701 Fuel tanks. (Damien and Kathy)
44. 05:14 PM - Corvair mount bolt length (Bill Naumuk)
45. 05:42 PM - Re: Corvair mount bolt length (Craig Payne)
46. 06:02 PM - Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? (Richard Harvey)
47. 06:20 PM - Re: Corvair mount bolt length (Bill Naumuk)
48. 06:20 PM - 701 Wing Nose Rib Form and crimps (Ryan Vechinski)
49. 06:30 PM - Re: Corvair mount bolt length (Craig Payne)
50. 06:37 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Tim Juhl)
51. 07:00 PM - Re: 701 Wing Nose Rib Form and crimps (ROBERT SCEPPA)
52. 07:03 PM - Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? (Edward Moody II)
53. 07:03 PM - Re: Corvair mount bolt length (Bill Naumuk)
54. 07:07 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (robert stone)
55. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: Cockpit heat (robert stone)
56. 08:42 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Ron Lendon)
57. 09:42 PM - 701 for sale on barnstormers (Brad Larson)
58. 09:50 PM - Re: Re: Cockpit heat (Bryan Martin)
59. 10:14 PM - Re: Cockpit heat (xl)
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| Subject: | Nut plates also lock nuts? |
Here is an ignorant question: I'm playing around with nut plates for the
first time and notice that the screw does not easily thread all the way
through. The last few threads on the nut plate are
tight/distorted/out-of-round/something and it takes a little effort to turn
the screw all the way through. I've noticed this on a regular and a floating
nut plate. Is this done intentionally to provide a degree of locking?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith wing skins |
Had the same problem with my skins.
I called Zenith and they approved the swapping of the ribs #9 from the right
and left wings. The tie down fits correctly if the rib flanges are inboard
instead of outboard as shown on the drawings.
Floyd Wilkes
----- Original Message -----
From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" <dgardea@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:47 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith wing skins
> <dgardea@gmail.com>
>
> Hello 601XL kit builders .. anyone receive bottom wing skins with the
> tiedown slot precut to the outboard side (flange side) of rear rib #9? Of
> course the plans have you mounting the tiedown on the inboard side of rr
> #9 which makes sense. I am now faced with developing some way of mounting
> the tiedown by bringing it out even with the flange to match the very
> generous precut slot in the skin. Anyone run into this and develop a
> solution? Also a little odd that Zenith has chosen to predrill the spar
> edge of the top and bottom skins since the nose skin overlaps those skins
> thus rendering the pre-drilled holes kinda useless. I suppose I will try
> to tuck the nose skin under the top and bottom skins to try to transfer
> those predrilled holes to the nose skin before drilling and then move back
> on top to cleco. Your experience with this and solutions are appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Gardea
>
> --------
> Dave Gardea
> 601XL - Corvair
> working on wings
> http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116275#116275
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| Subject: | Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? |
Craig, The only ignorant question is the one you don't ask and you get
bit for not having done so.
You figured it out, the oblong threads provide the locking force.
LOW&SLO
John
Here is an ignorant question: I'm playing around with nut plates for
the
first time and notice that the screw does not easily thread all the
way
through. The last few threads on the nut plate are
tight/distorted/out-of-round/something and it takes a little effort to
turn
the screw all the way through. I've noticed this on a regular and a
floating
nut plate. Is this done intentionally to provide a degree of locking?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Fuel tanks. |
I seem to remember something about the wing tank
option only being 4 Gal when they were first installed
in the CH-701. Given the vintage of the kit, it is
likely that is what has happened.
Also, it is possible that they are 4 Imp Gal or 5 US
Gal. Since Zenair (not Zenith) is/was a Canadian
company, it is possible that the 4 gallons (Imp) is
just the rough equivalent of five US Gallons.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
--- ricklach <rick@ravengear.us> wrote:
> <rick@ravengear.us>
>
> I have two 701s, one built in the early 90s
> and one and one built in early 2000. Both have 5-GAL
> tanks, or so I was told when I got the airplanes. I
> called Zenith and they knew of them but did not
> provide any real information. I have not heard of
> any 4-gal tanks, but a scratch builder could have
> built anything that he wanted.
>
> Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith wing skins |
Thanks to everyone for their quick and helpful replies!
Best regards,
Dave Gardea
do not archive
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Dave Gardea
601XL - Corvair
working on wings
http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/
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| Subject: | Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? |
Yes
In a message dated 6/4/2007 3:31:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
craig@craigandjean.com writes:
Here is an ignorant question: I'm playing around with nut plates for the
first time and notice that the screw does not easily thread all the way
through. The last few threads on the nut plate are
tight/distorted/out-of-round/something and it takes a little effort to turn
the screw all the way through. I've noticed this on a regular and a floating
nut plate. Is this done intentionally to provide a degree of locking?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Factory Support |
Bob,
On the subject of the zodiac not flying well, my golf game has gone from an 82
average to a 95 becauase I changed my putter.
On a serious note, I have flown the zodiac and it is FUN!!. you maybe trying
to flare too hard. I noticed the 601 is like the CUb, you want to peg the airspeed
at 60 knots over the thresh hold. over the thrresh hold, set the plane's
attitude and don't try to flare too hard, justa touch. Landing the 601 is
my favorite part and is lots of fun to do.
If you cant get a hold of ZOdiac on the net, just pick up the phone, they usually
answer in the first ring.
On the CFII, he probably has not flown a plane that needed piloting, living on
the Garmin 1000, rub my back while I fly kind of planes. Think Piper Cub, back
to basics S and R.
-----Original Message-----
>From: robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
>Sent: Jun 3, 2007 3:32 PM
>To: Zenith list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Factory Support
>
> I have seen a good many posts that claim good factory support. I would like
to know what the secret is since I have sent three questions to Zenith and
have yet to receive an answer to any of them. I have a completed Zodiac601XL
that my dad had built and then gave it to me.
> Also the ZodiacXL is touted as an easy aircraft to fly and this is anything
but true. I am still trying to learn to land on a calm day and cross-wind
landing are almost impossible to get right. My log book shows 258 hours in Spam
Cans so I am a low time pilot. I have an instructor CFI/CFII that says "This
is a high time pilot aircraft"
>
>Tracy Stone
>Harker Heights, Tx
>ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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Or what about us ch640 builders ?
If ya want a chat, I set one up at chat.iahu.ca a long time ago which is not
being used
Rob
Hanmer Ontario
ch640 stabilator (should be here soon the shops ready to roll)
On 6/3/07, Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> Just curious, but do you not like the chat on this list and dislike 801's?
>
> Still do not archive.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 7:48 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Chat
>
>
> >
> > Is there a Zenair 601/701 chat? If not would anyone be interested in
> > getting one going?
> >
> > Dan Dempsey (601XL/Corvair plans building.. 50% complete MAYBE)
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > --------
> > Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116251#116251
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In Reply to Tracy Stone:
Tracy -- I own and fly the AMD-made version of the 601XL, so I have no
knowledge of factory support. But, I can certainly talk about landings. I
don't agree with your assessment and I think it's important to say so
because there are so many list members who haven't had the pleasure of
flying the 601XL yet.
I've flown three AMD-made 601XLs. I've got about 75 hours on the one I own
and I've made landings all over Florida and Georgia -- sometimes in heavy
crosswind conditions and almost always in heated bumpy air. (There is only
one runway in Marathon, FL and the wind *usually* changes between the time
you were on downwind and the time you are on short final.. the ramp
temperature is seldom below 80 degrees)
I am a 400 hour pilot. My 601 lands as sweetly as any Warrior, Cadet, 172,
or DA-20 I've flown. It lands exactly the same as the Grumman Cheetah I
owned.
Question: Are you sitting high enough so you can clearly see over the
cowling? That's useful. I have friends who need to sit on a pillow in my
airplane. Set your gaze down at the far left side of the runway. Ignore
all the bumping and jumping until you are just a few feet off the ground. I
use very little flair. Not like the Kings' instructional video showing a
full stall landing with the stall horn sounding. Don't stall it.... Just
let it ... land.
So, 601 builders, have no fear. They fly and land sweetly.
Frank Derfler N183AM AMD-made 601XL flying in the Florida Keys
See my information for pilots flying the SE at www.flyinflorida.com
See my Blog, "Mostly Flying" at http://mostlyflying.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Factory Support |
I agree with Tracy regarding the flying of your XL. It would seem your
a/c may not be aligned or trimmed as it should be. My experience on the
601HDS is that as long as you keep a bit of power on it is a pussycat to
land. Shut the throttle on flare and it will drop like a stone.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith wing skins |
I'd convert the precut slot into an access hatch and make a new slot where it is
supposed to go. First, however, make sure that you are lining the skin up properly
and that the rib in question is located at the correct location. If all
of that checks out, call the factory before proceeding. They may be able to spot
the problem and suggest a better solution.
Dred
Do Not Archive
---- "dgardea(at)gmail.com" <dgardea@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello 601XL kit builders .. anyone receive bottom wing skins with the tiedown
slot precut to the outboard side (flange side) of rear rib #9? Of course the
plans have you mounting the tiedown on the inboard side of rr #9 which makes sense.
I am now faced with developing some way of mounting the tiedown by bringing
it out even with the flange to match the very generous precut slot in the
skin. Anyone run into this and develop a solution? Also a little odd that Zenith
has chosen to predrill the spar edge of the top and bottom skins since the
nose skin overlaps those skins thus rendering the pre-drilled holes kinda useless.
I suppose I will try to tuck the nose skin under the top and bottom skins
to try to transfer those predrilled holes to the nose skin before drilling and
then move back on top to cleco. Your experience with this and solutions are
appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Gardea
>
> --------
> Dave Gardea
> 601XL - Corvair
> working on wings
> http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116275#116275
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? |
Yes. Nutplates are, in essence, high heat locknuts.
Dred
---- Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
>
> Here is an ignorant question: I'm playing around with nut plates for the
> first time and notice that the screw does not easily thread all the way
> through. The last few threads on the nut plate are
> tight/distorted/out-of-round/something and it takes a little effort to turn
> the screw all the way through. I've noticed this on a regular and a floating
> nut plate. Is this done intentionally to provide a degree of locking?
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rocky Mountain EAA Regional Fly-In |
Any 601s going to be at the Rocky Mountain EAA Regional Fly-In later this month?
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | landing gear placement |
hi list
i remember seeing a discussion regarding the direction
the landing gear faces. there were some statements as
to the center of gravity and how it was affected by
having the flat edge of the gear forward or rearward.
i can't seem to find it in the archeives. what are
the advantages/disadvantages of each direction. in
the zenith photo manual it shows the gear in the "not
recommended direction. makes me think that it is an
arbitrary decision.
john butterfield
601XL, corvair
torrance, ca
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| Subject: | Re: landing gear placement |
The pros and cons were:
With a nose heavy plane and the flat side rearward, there is a tendancy of the
nosewheel to come down hard after the mains touchdown. The result for some has
been that the nose bungee bounces the nose back high enough to fly again due
to the high AOA when the nose come up.
Vice versa, with the flat side of the main gear forward, if two heavyweight folk
step on the entry steps at the same time, they may overcome the nose weight
and cause the plane to sit on its tail end tie down.
The summary is that it depends on your preferrence and the final weight distribution
of your plane. Fortunately, someone noted that if you have a bit of extra
slack in your brake lines and don't mind the refitting work on wheel pants brackets,
the gear can be changed later if you want to do so.
Dred
---- john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> hi list
> i remember seeing a discussion regarding the direction
> the landing gear faces. there were some statements as
> to the center of gravity and how it was affected by
> having the flat edge of the gear forward or rearward.
> i can't seem to find it in the archeives. what are
> the advantages/disadvantages of each direction. in
> the zenith photo manual it shows the gear in the "not
> recommended direction. makes me think that it is an
> arbitrary decision.
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| Subject: | Re: Factory Support |
Tracy
I would try & get some lessons from an instructor who flys a
similar light weight plane as they have low inertia, we did having had
difficulty at first landing Ray 601 HD, as It has a continental 0 200 & a
header tank, we are now using the wing tanks to top up header tank and try
to land with less than 25 lts in header tank . Tends to drop onto nose wheel
as soon as mains touch & you remove power. Found we need to peg speed to 70
knots on final with approx 1600 rpm reduce to 60 knots & 1400 rpm in flare
and land with power on. Very good in cross winds have landed with 15 to 20
knots across. I would have thought the XL would be easier has you have less
drag.
We did find ZAC slow to answer emails thought it was because we were in UK
but managed to get answers eventually
Clive
Rays G CBDG 120 hrs
do not archive
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support
>
> Bob,
>
> On the subject of the zodiac not flying well, my golf game has gone from
> an 82 average to a 95 becauase I changed my putter.
>
> On a serious note, I have flown the zodiac and it is FUN!!. you maybe
> trying to flare too hard. I noticed the 601 is like the CUb, you want to
> peg the airspeed at 60 knots over the thresh hold. over the thrresh
> hold, set the plane's attitude and don't try to flare too hard, justa
> touch. Landing the 601 is my favorite part and is lots of fun to do.
>
> If you cant get a hold of ZOdiac on the net, just pick up the phone, they
> usually answer in the first ring.
>
> On the CFII, he probably has not flown a plane that needed piloting,
> living on the Garmin 1000, rub my back while I fly kind of planes. Think
> Piper Cub, back to basics S and R.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
>>Sent: Jun 3, 2007 3:32 PM
>>To: Zenith list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Factory Support
>>
>> I have seen a good many posts that claim good factory support. I
>> would like to know what the secret is since I have sent three questions
>> to Zenith and have yet to receive an answer to any of them. I have a
>> completed Zodiac601XL that my dad had built and then gave it to me.
>> Also the ZodiacXL is touted as an easy aircraft to fly and this is
>> anything but true. I am still trying to learn to land on a calm day and
>> cross-wind landing are almost impossible to get right. My log book shows
>> 258 hours in Spam Cans so I am a low time pilot. I have an instructor
>> CFI/CFII that says "This is a high time pilot aircraft"
>>
>>Tracy Stone
>>Harker Heights, Tx
>>ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: landing gear placement |
Michael Heintz told me that it was mainly dependent on
engine weight. The issue is the stick force required
to rotate on take off. A heavy engine would benefit
from the mains offset forward. ( more lever arm for
the horizontal stab).
Ken
--- john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>
> hi list
> i remember seeing a discussion regarding the
> direction
> the landing gear faces. there were some statements
> as
> to the center of gravity and how it was affected by
> having the flat edge of the gear forward or
> rearward.
> i can't seem to find it in the archeives. what are
> the advantages/disadvantages of each direction. in
> the zenith photo manual it shows the gear in the
> "not
> recommended direction. makes me think that it is an
> arbitrary decision.
> john butterfield
> 601XL, corvair
> torrance, ca
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: landing gear placement |
With the flat side aft, the main gear are a few inches farther behind
the CG. This gives them a longer lever arm and makes it a bit harder
to rotate on take off and gives a tendency to drop the nose gear
abruptly on landing. This also puts a bit more weight on the nose
gear. Putting the flat side forward will reduce these tendencies. It
has been stated that putting the flat side forward will make it
easier to drop the tail on the ground when climbing into the plane by
way of the rear step. According to my calculations, even with the
plane loaded for gross weight and most aft CG, climbing out of the
plane by the rear step will not put the tail on the ground. If both
try to climb out at once, that may be a different story but that can
easily be avoided.
My gear legs have the flat face rearward because that was the way the
plans showed it at the time. I have to ease the back pressure on the
stick just after liftoff to avoid over-rotating and have to apply
increased back pressure on touchdown to keep the nosewheel from
dropping abruptly. This is not a real big deal and I've gotten used
to this behavior. I never considered it dangerous, just a bit
different than the planes I used to fly. If I were building it today,
I would reverse the gear legs. Someday when I find the time, I will
probably reverse my gear legs to improve the handling a bit. It's not
a high priority with me though.
On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:33 AM, john butterfield wrote:
> <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>
> hi list
> i remember seeing a discussion regarding the direction
> the landing gear faces. there were some statements as
> to the center of gravity and how it was affected by
> having the flat edge of the gear forward or rearward.
> i can't seem to find it in the archeives. what are
> the advantages/disadvantages of each direction. in
> the zenith photo manual it shows the gear in the "not
> recommended direction. makes me think that it is an
> arbitrary decision.
> john butterfield
> 601XL, corvair
> torrance, ca
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith wing skins |
My skins (received the kit a year ago) did not have the holes predrilled for the
LE flange nor did they have the slot for the tiedown ring cut. They were, however,
18 mm short of what was called for in the drawings which resulted in having
to recalculate the "Y" distances slightly when it came to trimming the wing
tips (top skins). It also had a few holes located at positions other than
those called for in the plans. There was nothing I couldn't deal with but it
did result in a little head scratching before I felt confident to proceed.
I give ZAC credit for trying to make the process easier for us but I think sometimes
they err themselves. It is important to point these problems out to them
so that if need be they can make adjustments to their CNC machine. A gross
error on their part would be justification to ask for a replacement.
For your problem, swapping ribs sounds like a simple solution.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Rocky Mountain EAA Regional Fly-In |
Gig,
On the proposed instrument panel, both of them, I see what looks like
the Garmin GPS.
I have the Garmin 296 and use it for a secondary source of nav. My primary
is the Lowrance 2000c. I am writing this to advise that if you have not yet
purchased the Garmin, check the Lowrance 2000c out. It has most of the same
features plus a larger screen but the best feature is the price is about
1/3rd of the Garmin.
Tracy Stone
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From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:14 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Rocky Mountain EAA Regional Fly-In
> <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
> Any 601s going to be at the Rocky Mountain EAA Regional Fly-In later this
> month?
>
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> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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Are any of you guys or gals experiencing extremes of heat in the
cockpit while flying. I got a Kroger sun shade and installed it thus
eliminating direct sunlight but am still getting a lot of unwanted heat
from I suppose the engine compartment even though I closed off the extra
space in the slots where the steering rods go through the firewall. Are
any of you having the same problem and what are you doing about it.
Tracy Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: landing gear placement |
Hi Bryan,
I wonder if adding a little flaps on takeoff would ease this problem . . .
At 08:21 AM 6/4/2007, you wrote:
> I have to ease the back pressure on the stick just after liftoff
> to avoid over-rotating
>
Paul
XL fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit heat |
I have a 701 and live in the desert (Tucson, AZ) and I get lots of heat from it.
I wish I had put aluminum for the skylite instead of lexan. It seems to be dirty
all the time anyway and I seldom look up through it. I am sure I will be
replacing it in a few short years because of deterioration. If it was aluminum
it would still be fine after thirty years or more.
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Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear axle drilling guide |
I drilled the holes with the proper spacing in a peice of one and a half or two
inch thick hardwood, on my drill press. This kept the holes 90 degrees, square
to the world. I clamped the hardwood to the gear in the proper place and drilled
one hole. The hardwood block kept my hand held drill 90 degrees to the gear.
In the the first hole I put a bolt through the wood,block and gear. This kept
it from moving out of alignment assuring the next holes would be where they
belong. Pull the drill out frequently to clear the chips so as not to waller
out the holes in the wood block. This worked very well for me and didn't cost
a dime.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith wing skins |
Hi Tim,
Thanks for the note. I should definitely call ZAC to let them know about the tiedown
mis-cut on the bottom skin as you suggest. I plan to swap the #9 ribs as
you guys recommended. Floyd, glad you had called ZAC and confirmed OK to do this.
Paul, thanks for the advice on the spar cap angles .. I will likely take
your approach with the next wing to be sure I have adequate web clearance. What
a great forum and resource! .. I posted a note late last night and had three
helpful replies already by the time I left for work today!
Dave
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601XL - Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit heat |
I put a layer of insulation on the cabin side of the firewall during
construction. I don't feel any heat from the firewall, so it seems to
work.
On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:23 PM, robert stone wrote:
> Are any of you guys or gals experiencing extremes of heat in
> the cockpit while flying. I got a Kroger sun shade and installed
> it thus eliminating direct sunlight but am still getting a lot of
> unwanted heat from I suppose the engine compartment even though I
> closed off the extra space in the slots where the steering rods go
> through the firewall. Are any of you having the same problem and
> what are you doing about it.
>
> Tracy Stone
> Harker Heights, Tx
> ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit heat |
Bryan, what type of insulation did you use?
bryanmmartin wrote:
> I put a layer of insulation on the cabin side of the firewall during construction.
I don't feel any heat from the firewall, so it seems to work.
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601XL Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: landing gear placement |
I doubt it. Landing with full flaps doesn't make the nose want to
drop any slower. Normally, when the nosewheel touches down, the plane
is through flying and is sitting solidly on its gear. You have to
command a rotation to lift off. The tendency to over-rotate is
strictly a matter of geometry. To rotate, the plane has to pivot
around the main wheels. As soon as the wheels leave the ground, the
plane wants to pivot around the CG, which is several inches farther
forward. In effect, as soon as the plane lifts off, the lever arm of
the elevators suddenly increases, giving them more torque. It's not a
drastic effect, but it is noticeable. I've gotten used to the
behavior and automatically correct for it now.
On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Hi Bryan,
>
> I wonder if adding a little flaps on takeoff would ease this
> problem . . .
>
> At 08:21 AM 6/4/2007, you wrote:
>> I have to ease the back pressure on the stick just after liftoff
>> to avoid over-rotating
>>
--
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit heat |
I got some stuff from J.C. Whitney that I used for the cabin floor
also. The stuff is designed to be used under the carpeting in a car.
It's basically shredded rags treated with fire retardant and glued to
a sheet of aluminum foil. It's about half and inch thick. It holds up
pretty well under the flooring and works as sound and heat insulation.
Home Depot sells a product that might be slightly better for firewall
insulation. It's used as air duct insulation. It's half an inch of
fiberglass insulation glued to aluminum foil. It is probably a bit
lighter than the stuff I used. You'd have to seal it up pretty well
with aluminum tape to the keep glass fibers from getting into
everything.
On Jun 4, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Gig Giacona wrote:
> <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
> Bryan, what type of insulation did you use?
>
>
> bryanmmartin wrote:
>> I put a layer of insulation on the cabin side of the firewall
>> during construction. I don't feel any heat from the firewall, so
>> it seems to work.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith wing skins |
I drilled the holes in the spar caps first to ensure correct spacing and
edge distance. I then used the back drill method to first pick up the rear
skin and the nose skin. The back drill method uses a tool similar to the
flange finder tool shown on www.601ch.org/tools
Just remove the flange and put a solid csk 1/8 rivet in one of the pilot
holes. This rivet is placed in the spar cap hole and you drill using the
other pilot hole as a guide hole.
Ian McClelland
601XL scratch builder
Flight controls finished. Wings 70% complete
New Zealand
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit heat |
I just bought a couple of rubber shift stick boots out of the JC Whitney catalog
to seal off the nosewheel steering rods. I bought the closed cell foam sheet
insulation from AS but I don't know how well it will work yet.
Dred
> On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:23 PM, robert stone wrote:
>
> > Are any of you guys or gals experiencing extremes of heat in
> > the cockpit while flying. I got a Kroger sun shade and installed
> > it thus eliminating direct sunlight but am still getting a lot of
> > unwanted heat from I suppose the engine compartment even though I
> > closed off the extra space in the slots where the steering rods go
> > through the firewall. Are any of you having the same problem and
> > what are you doing about it.
> >
> > Tracy Stone
> > Harker Heights, Tx
> > ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: landing gear placement |
Hi Bryan,
The reason I asked about the takeoff flaps is a story I have heard
that adding flaps requires nose up trim - just the opposite of
Cessnas and Pipers. I thought maybe this condition would also apply
to the takeoff so the nose up force on the stick for rotation might
be counteracted by the nose down force of the flaps.
Anyway, I always like to use a little flaps on takeoff to get the
plane in the air faster. I haven't yet flown an XP, but most planes
that are not horribly under powered like a little flaps on
takeoff. Higher performance planes require it.
Best regards,
Paul
At 12:21 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote:
>I doubt it. Landing with full flaps doesn't make the nose want to
>drop any slower. Normally, when the nosewheel touches down, the
>plane is through flying and is sitting solidly on its gear. You have
>to command a rotation to lift off. The tendency to over-rotate is
>strictly a matter of geometry. To rotate, the plane has to pivot
>around the main wheels. As soon as the wheels leave the ground, the
>plane wants to pivot around the CG, which is several inches farther
>forward. In effect, as soon as the plane lifts off, the lever arm of
>the elevators suddenly increases, giving them more torque. It's not
>a drastic effect, but it is noticeable. I've gotten used to the
>behavior and automatically correct for it now.
>
>
>On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>
>><<mailto:p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>>
>>Hi Bryan,
>>
>>I wonder if adding a little flaps on takeoff would ease this problem . . .
>>
>>At 08:21 AM 6/4/2007, you wrote:
>>> I have to ease the back pressure on the stick just after liftoff
>>> to avoid over-rotating
>
>
>--
>Bryan Martin
>N61BM, CH 601 XL,
>RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
>do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: landing gear placement |
depends on placement of gear relative to CG. in the plans, you can put the mains
flat side forward or flat side facing back. differnce in feal will be apparent.
if the mains are facing flat side back on the heavier engines, more weight
is on the nose gear so you will need to unstick the plane. on the mains facing
forward, you can pitch the trim for take off at 60 knots, with a slight
touch on the elevator up. Example would be trying to hold the nose off the runway
on a a fast taxi. If you can hold the nose up at around 40 mph, you can
trim the plane. A flap setting will actual pitch the p[lane down a bit. example
when setting up for final, if you are trimmedat 60 knots, if you hit the
flaps to 20degrees, the nose pitches up.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>Sent: Jun 4, 2007 3:21 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: landing gear placement
>
>I doubt it. Landing with full flaps doesn't make the nose want to
>drop any slower. Normally, when the nosewheel touches down, the plane
>is through flying and is sitting solidly on its gear. You have to
>command a rotation to lift off. The tendency to over-rotate is
>strictly a matter of geometry. To rotate, the plane has to pivot
>around the main wheels. As soon as the wheels leave the ground, the
>plane wants to pivot around the CG, which is several inches farther
>forward. In effect, as soon as the plane lifts off, the lever arm of
>the elevators suddenly increases, giving them more torque. It's not a
>drastic effect, but it is noticeable. I've gotten used to the
>behavior and automatically correct for it now.
>
>
>On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>
>> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>>
>> Hi Bryan,
>>
>> I wonder if adding a little flaps on takeoff would ease this
>> problem . . .
>>
>> At 08:21 AM 6/4/2007, you wrote:
>>> I have to ease the back pressure on the stick just after liftoff
>>> to avoid over-rotating
>>>
>
>
>--
>Bryan Martin
>N61BM, CH 601 XL,
>RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
>do not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit heat |
To attach it to the firewall did you just use glue?
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601XL Under Construction
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Still can't see you.
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gfduncan(at)cox.net wrote:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? |
Yes.
George
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:26 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Nut plates also lock nuts?
>
> Here is an ignorant question: I'm playing around with nut plates for the
> first time and notice that the screw does not easily thread all the way
> through. The last few threads on the nut plate are
> tight/distorted/out-of-round/something and it takes a little effort to
turn
> the screw all the way through. I've noticed this on a regular and a
floating
> nut plate. Is this done intentionally to provide a degree of locking?
>
> -- Craig
>
>
> --
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit heat |
I was thinking about using those snap -together floor mat s that are 24x24
sq. they 're about 1/2 " thick . I'm sure they will kill all the vib.
sound ,going to glue them to the inside of the fire wall, floor ,and floor
sides also,the rear storeage shelf and the over head of the shelf .Ifire
tested them with a tourch they didn't want to burn,and didn't put off any
bad smoke going to fit them tight around thr steering rods with just a slit
for the rod to travel up and down, the whole bundle couldn't be over a
couple of lbs. you can get them in any color Home Depot, harbor freight,
cheap....I think they will do a great job .. Joe N101HD 601XL
----- Original Message ----- P.S. don's want the heat or vib sound, need
Quiet while trying to get back on the ground!.....
From: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cockpit heat
>
> I just bought a couple of rubber shift stick boots out of the JC Whitney
> catalog to seal off the nosewheel steering rods. I bought the closed cell
> foam sheet insulation from AS but I don't know how well it will work yet.
>
> Dred
>
>> On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:23 PM, robert stone wrote:
>>
>> > Are any of you guys or gals experiencing extremes of heat in
>> > the cockpit while flying. I got a Kroger sun shade and installed
>> > it thus eliminating direct sunlight but am still getting a lot of
>> > unwanted heat from I suppose the engine compartment even though I
>> > closed off the extra space in the slots where the steering rods go
>> > through the firewall. Are any of you having the same problem and
>> > what are you doing about it.
>> >
>> > Tracy Stone
>> > Harker Heights, Tx
>> > ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bryan Martin
>> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
>> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
>> do not archive.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit heat |
I used a spray on adhesive similar to what I used to glue the seat
foam together and then taped around the exposed edges with aluminum
tape. It's held on tight for two years now.
On Jun 4, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Gig Giacona wrote:
> <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
> To attach it to the firewall did you just use glue?
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RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | GPS Recommendation |
Dear Listers,
I am ready to order a GPS for my CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I
have reduced the affordable units to three:
- Garmin GPS 296 $1,495
- Lowrance 200C $999
- AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495
Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please
indicate your experience.
Regards,
Ken Arnold
N701LK 75%
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
Go Airmap 2000 all the way! I have in the 601 and if it had legs I would marry
it! there are various times you can find it on sale for less than $800.00 has
terain avoidance, thats a good thing.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Arnold <arno7452@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Jun 4, 2007 6:43 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation
>
>Dear Listers,
>I am ready to order a GPS for my CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I have reduced
the affordable units to three:
>- Garmin GPS 296 $1,495
>- Lowrance 200C $999
>- AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495
>
>Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please indicate your
experience.
>Regards,
>Ken Arnold
>N701LK 75%
>
>do not archive
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| Subject: | GPS Recommendation |
I swear by the Avmap, a couple of things to consider, screen size,
bigger is actually better in this case when looking at a moving map.
Make SURE you check out the price of updates, the airmap takes a huge
dive in this issue. Garmin and Avmap have the better terrain and flight
information. But only the New Garmin outweights the Avmap the Garmin 296
is not comparable in value.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Juan Vega
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation
Go Airmap 2000 all the way! I have in the 601 and if it had legs I
would marry it! there are various times you can find it on sale for
less than $800.00 has terain avoidance, thats a good thing.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Arnold <arno7452@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Jun 4, 2007 6:43 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation
>
>Dear Listers,
>I am ready to order a GPS for my CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I
have reduced the affordable units to three:
>- Garmin GPS 296 $1,495
>- Lowrance 200C $999
>- AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495
>
>Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please
indicate your experience.
>Regards,
>Ken Arnold
>N701LK 75%
>
>do not archive
6:43 PM
6:43 PM
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Fuel tanks. |
Thanks for the replies.
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MacDonald Doug" <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Fuel tanks.
>
> I seem to remember something about the wing tank
> option only being 4 Gal when they were first installed
> in the CH-701. Given the vintage of the kit, it is
> likely that is what has happened.
>
> Also, it is possible that they are 4 Imp Gal or 5 US
> Gal. Since Zenair (not Zenith) is/was a Canadian
> company, it is possible that the 4 gallons (Imp) is
> just the rough equivalent of five US Gallons.
>
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 Scratch Builder
> NW Ontario, Canada
>
> --- ricklach <rick@ravengear.us> wrote:
>
>> <rick@ravengear.us>
>>
>> I have two 701?Ts, one built in the early 90?Ts
>> and one and one built in early 2000. Both have 5-GAL
>> tanks, or so I was told when I got the airplanes. I
>> called Zenith and they knew of them but did not
>> provide any real information. I have not heard of
>> any 4-gal tanks, but a scratch builder could have
>> built anything that he wanted.
>>
>> Rick
>
>
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| Subject: | Corvair mount bolt length |
Corvair people-
When I found out that you needed longer than kit-supplied firewall
mount bolts for a Corvair installation, I took the advice of a fellow
lister and got some 3-1/2" bolts and was going to retrofit them to the
kit mounts.
Then, Craig Payne sent me a set that he wasn't using that have
2-3/4" bolts.
My question is, can I get by with 2-3/4" bolts, or am I back to
square 1?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Corvair mount bolt length |
Do you have your motor mount? My WW mount had 1.5 inch or 38 mm tubes on it
just like Zenith shows on their Lycoming O-235 dynafocal mount (sheet 6-YE-2
in the plans). Have you searched the Corvair list archives? There was a lot
of traffic on this.
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? |
As you have already read, the bottom threads provide a very firm locking. I
couldn't even get a screw through without stripping the slot in the screw
head, so I ran a tap into each of the nut plates a little ways until they
loosened up enough to get the screw through. Be careful doing that however,
because if the tap goes in too far the nut plate gets too loose to be
secure.
Richard Harvey
601 XL 70% done
Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:26 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Nut plates also lock nuts?
>
> Here is an ignorant question: I'm playing around with nut plates for the
> first time and notice that the screw does not easily thread all the way
> through. The last few threads on the nut plate are
> tight/distorted/out-of-round/something and it takes a little effort to
> turn
> the screw all the way through. I've noticed this on a regular and a
> floating
> nut plate. Is this done intentionally to provide a degree of locking?
>
> -- Craig
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair mount bolt length |
Craig-
No, I don't have the mount. How do I access the Corvair archives?
Here's a question for all. What is the recommended radius for the
crank journal sides? Just miked my journals and I have to go .010 under,
so I know I'm going to have to have the radii put in. Have to give the
machinists a number to hit.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair mount bolt length
Do you have your motor mount? My WW mount had 1.5 inch or 38 mm tubes
on it just like Zenith shows on their Lycoming O-235 dynafocal mount
(sheet 6-YE-2 in the plans). Have you searched the Corvair list
archives? There was a lot of traffic on this.
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp
-- Craig
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| Subject: | 701 Wing Nose Rib Form and crimps |
While making my wing nose rib the other day, I noticed that the plans call
for "2 crimp on bottom". The picture only shows one location and gives onl
y one measurment for a crimp on the bottom of the nose rib. Is this in fac
t the case, and the "2" is wrong? or am I missing a crimp location?
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| Subject: | Corvair mount bolt length |
Just click on the link in my message. Here it is again:
www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp
Also Nick sent me this back in Feb '06:
"In the latest edition, we no longer weld the bolt to the engine mount
fitting. For the lower engine mount fittings, installing the bolt after the
fitting is installed to the fuselage allows for better alignment.
For a 38mm long bushing, allow approximately 3mm to go through the fitting,
the doubler and firewall = 41mm A better bolt to use is an AN6-22A (grip
length = 1-11/16")"
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
I love my Garmin 296 - It is a wonderful unit and easy to use. The 396 with the
real time weather capability is a neat unit too. The Garmin has a page that
displays basic flight instruments which I used with a safety pilot to fly an
instrument approach... not legal but nice to have if everything else on your panel
went dark.
>From the other responses you can see that it is hard to go wrong. Look at things
such as how you want to mount it and antenna and power considerations. Also,
do you plan to interface with an autopilot? I know the Garmin will and I
would assume the other units do as well.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
______________
CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116534#116534
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Wing Nose Rib Form and crimps |
> One crimp will do Ryan
--- Ryan Vechinski <brothapig@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> While making my wing nose rib the other day, I
> noticed that the plans call for "2 crimp on bottom".
> The picture only shows one location and gives only
> one measurment for a crimp on the bottom of the nose
> rib. Is this in fact the case, and the "2" is
> wrong? or am I missing a crimp location?
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
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| Subject: | Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? |
To make it easier to screw the screws into the nutplates, use Boelube.
That way you won't have to loosen the threads with a tap.
Dred
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Harvey
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nut plates also lock nuts?
<richardharvey@nc.rr.com>
As you have already read, the bottom threads provide a very firm
locking. I
couldn't even get a screw through without stripping the slot in the
screw
head, so I ran a tap into each of the nut plates a little ways until
they
loosened up enough to get the screw through. Be careful doing that
however,
because if the tap goes in too far the nut plate gets too loose to be
secure.
Richard Harvey
601 XL 70% done
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair mount bolt length |
Gotcha. Thanks.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair mount bolt length
Just click on the link in my message. Here it is again:
www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp
Also Nick sent me this back in Feb '06:
"In the latest edition, we no longer weld the bolt to the engine mount
fitting. For the lower engine mount fittings, installing the bolt after
the fitting is installed to the fuselage allows for better alignment.
For a 38mm long bushing, allow approximately 3mm to go through the
fitting, the doubler and firewall = 41mm A better bolt to use is an
AN6-22A (grip length = 1-11/16")"
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
Ken,
I have a Lowrance 2000c and love it. All are good units but the
Lowrance 2000c is so much cheaper than the others that I would get one
of those if I were you.
Tracy Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Arnold
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:43 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation
Dear Listers,
I am ready to order a GPS for my CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I
have reduced the affordable units to three:
- Garmin GPS 296 $1,495
- Lowrance 200C $999
- AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495
Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please
indicate your experience.
Regards,
Ken Arnold
N701LK 75%
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit heat |
Bryan,
Could you be more specific as to what kind of spray on glue you
used and where is it available. Also what did you glue on and where is
it available. My ZodiacXL is completed and flying so it will not be
easy to install a heat shield but I have to do something because the
cockpit heat is unbearable and will get worse as the summer gets hotter.
Tracy Stone
Harher Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Martin
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cockpit heat
I used a spray on adhesive similar to what I used to glue the seat
foam together and then taped around the exposed edges with aluminum
tape. It's held on tight for two years now.
On Jun 4, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Gig Giacona wrote:
<wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
To attach it to the firewall did you just use glue?
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
Picked up the Lowrance 2000c at SnF 2007 for $709 + tax. I have flown it and lovit.
Plan on hooking it up to an autopilot.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | 701 for sale on barnstormers |
Just listed on Barnstormers.com
ZENITH 701 STOL $19,500 FLY RIGHT NOW 701CE was built Chip Erwin,
Cont A65 with Prince P-Tip prop, 12 gal fuel capacity, new larger disc
brakes, approx 118 hrs, speed indicator, altimeter, oil temp , pressure,
engine tach, hr meter, CHT, compass. Cell: 701-730-2051 Contact Brad
L. Larson - located Gardner, ND USA Telephone: 701-484-5557 Posted
June 4, 2007 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser Recommend This
Ad to a Friend Email Advertiser Report This Ad
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit heat |
I think this is the same insulation I used from J.C. Whitney:
http://tinyurl.com/2foco5
and they sell an adhesive for it: http://tinyurl.com/2b7p23
I've also seen fiberglass air duct insulation with a foil backing at
Home Depot that might work well.
The adhesive I used, I bought either from ACE hardware or Home Depot.
3M Super 77 was one type I have used: http://tinyurl.com/2xo8sk
Office Depot also sells it: http://tinyurl.com/2uth3y
The ACE store had another brand of spray adhesive that also worked
well. A brush-on contact cement might also work well.
On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:11 PM, robert stone wrote:
> Bryan,
> Could you be more specific as to what kind of spray on glue
> you used and where is it available. Also what did you glue on and
> where is it available. My ZodiacXL is completed and flying so it
> will not be easy to install a heat shield but I have to do
> something because the cockpit heat is unbearable and will get worse
> as the summer gets hotter.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit heat |
I had the stock Jabiru muffler until I had two weld failures.
I replaced the stock muffler with homemade pipes that extend behind the
cockpit (it's in the archive).
The stock Jabiru mufflers dump the hot exhaust directly under the cockpit
floor. Put your hand on it - the floor it's hot. I put a piece of metal
between the Jabiru exhaust pipes and the cockpit floor, that helped some.
But dumping the heat further away helped more.
Also, I stick a couple of pens underneath the front of the canopy -
between the canopy and the forward top skin. That gives a stream of
air that helps cool the cockpit. (It's recommended by Chris Heintz.)
I also put a pipe vent on each side of the cockpit to get more air.
Can't open a window - that canopy does get hot in the sun.
Joe E
N633Z @ BFI
CH601XL, Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 49x64 wood prop
450 hours
http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, robert stone wrote:
> Are any of you guys or gals experiencing extremes of heat in the cockpit
> while flying. I got a Kroger sun shade and installed it thus
> eliminating direct sunlight but am still getting a lot of unwanted heat
> from I suppose the engine compartment even though I closed off the extra
> space in the slots where the steering rods go through the firewall. Are
> any of you having the same problem and what are you doing about it.
> do not archive
> Tracy Stone
> Harker Heights, Tx
> ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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