---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/04/07: 59 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:29 AM - Nut plates also lock nuts? (Craig Payne) 2. 03:54 AM - Re: Zenith wing skins (Ashley) 3. 04:11 AM - Re: xxx Nut plates also lock nuts? (John Bolding) 4. 04:18 AM - Re: Re: 701 Fuel tanks. (MacDonald Doug) 5. 04:33 AM - Re: Zenith wing skins (dgardea(at)gmail.com) 6. 04:33 AM - Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? (NYTerminat@aol.com) 7. 04:44 AM - Re: Factory Support (Juan Vega) 8. 04:54 AM - Re: Chat (Rob St Denis) 9. 05:33 AM - Factory Support (Frank Derfler) 10. 06:11 AM - Re: Factory Support (Dave Austin) 11. 06:58 AM - Re: Zenith wing skins () 12. 07:00 AM - Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? () 13. 07:14 AM - Rocky Mountain EAA Regional Fly-In (Gig Giacona) 14. 07:36 AM - landing gear placement (john butterfield) 15. 08:03 AM - Re: landing gear placement () 16. 08:06 AM - Re: Factory Support (Clive Richards) 17. 08:18 AM - Re: landing gear placement (ken smith) 18. 08:21 AM - Re: landing gear placement (Bryan Martin) 19. 08:46 AM - Re: Zenith wing skins (Tim Juhl) 20. 09:17 AM - Re: Rocky Mountain EAA Regional Fly-In (robert stone) 21. 09:24 AM - Cockpit heat (robert stone) 22. 09:58 AM - Re: landing gear placement (Paul Mulwitz) 23. 10:17 AM - Re: Cockpit heat (ronlee) 24. 10:39 AM - Re: Main gear axle drilling guide (ronlee) 25. 10:43 AM - Re: Zenith wing skins (dgardea(at)gmail.com) 26. 11:50 AM - Re: Cockpit heat (Bryan Martin) 27. 12:17 PM - Re: Cockpit heat (Gig Giacona) 28. 12:21 PM - Re: landing gear placement (Bryan Martin) 29. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Cockpit heat (Bryan Martin) 30. 12:45 PM - Re: Zenith wing skins (Ian McClelland) 31. 12:49 PM - Re: Cockpit heat () 32. 01:25 PM - Re: landing gear placement (Paul Mulwitz) 33. 01:29 PM - Grove Gear. (gfduncan) 34. 01:35 PM - Re: landing gear placement (Juan Vega) 35. 02:01 PM - Re: Cockpit heat (Gig Giacona) 36. 02:02 PM - Re: Grove Gear. (Gig Giacona) 37. 02:58 PM - Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? (George Swinford) 38. 03:04 PM - Re: Cockpit heat (Southern Reflections) 39. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: Cockpit heat (Bryan Martin) 40. 03:48 PM - GPS Recommendation (Ken Arnold) 41. 04:05 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Juan Vega) 42. 04:28 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (ZodieRocket) 43. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: 701 Fuel tanks. (Damien and Kathy) 44. 05:14 PM - Corvair mount bolt length (Bill Naumuk) 45. 05:42 PM - Re: Corvair mount bolt length (Craig Payne) 46. 06:02 PM - Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? (Richard Harvey) 47. 06:20 PM - Re: Corvair mount bolt length (Bill Naumuk) 48. 06:20 PM - 701 Wing Nose Rib Form and crimps (Ryan Vechinski) 49. 06:30 PM - Re: Corvair mount bolt length (Craig Payne) 50. 06:37 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Tim Juhl) 51. 07:00 PM - Re: 701 Wing Nose Rib Form and crimps (ROBERT SCEPPA) 52. 07:03 PM - Re: Nut plates also lock nuts? (Edward Moody II) 53. 07:03 PM - Re: Corvair mount bolt length (Bill Naumuk) 54. 07:07 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (robert stone) 55. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: Cockpit heat (robert stone) 56. 08:42 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Ron Lendon) 57. 09:42 PM - 701 for sale on barnstormers (Brad Larson) 58. 09:50 PM - Re: Re: Cockpit heat (Bryan Martin) 59. 10:14 PM - Re: Cockpit heat (xl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:39 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: Nut plates also lock nuts? Here is an ignorant question: I'm playing around with nut plates for the first time and notice that the screw does not easily thread all the way through. The last few threads on the nut plate are tight/distorted/out-of-round/something and it takes a little effort to turn the screw all the way through. I've noticed this on a regular and a floating nut plate. Is this done intentionally to provide a degree of locking? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:26 AM PST US From: "Ashley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith wing skins Had the same problem with my skins. I called Zenith and they approved the swapping of the ribs #9 from the right and left wings. The tie down fits correctly if the rib flanges are inboard instead of outboard as shown on the drawings. Floyd Wilkes ----- Original Message ----- From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:47 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith wing skins > > > Hello 601XL kit builders .. anyone receive bottom wing skins with the > tiedown slot precut to the outboard side (flange side) of rear rib #9? Of > course the plans have you mounting the tiedown on the inboard side of rr > #9 which makes sense. I am now faced with developing some way of mounting > the tiedown by bringing it out even with the flange to match the very > generous precut slot in the skin. Anyone run into this and develop a > solution? Also a little odd that Zenith has chosen to predrill the spar > edge of the top and bottom skins since the nose skin overlaps those skins > thus rendering the pre-drilled holes kinda useless. I suppose I will try > to tuck the nose skin under the top and bottom skins to try to transfer > those predrilled holes to the nose skin before drilling and then move back > on top to cleco. Your experience with this and solutions are appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dave Gardea > > -------- > Dave Gardea > 601XL - Corvair > working on wings > http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116275#116275 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:27 AM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: xxx Zenith-List: Nut plates also lock nuts? Craig, The only ignorant question is the one you don't ask and you get bit for not having done so. You figured it out, the oblong threads provide the locking force. LOW&SLO John Here is an ignorant question: I'm playing around with nut plates for the first time and notice that the screw does not easily thread all the way through. The last few threads on the nut plate are tight/distorted/out-of-round/something and it takes a little effort to turn the screw all the way through. I've noticed this on a regular and a floating nut plate. Is this done intentionally to provide a degree of locking? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:44 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Fuel tanks. I seem to remember something about the wing tank option only being 4 Gal when they were first installed in the CH-701. Given the vintage of the kit, it is likely that is what has happened. Also, it is possible that they are 4 Imp Gal or 5 US Gal. Since Zenair (not Zenith) is/was a Canadian company, it is possible that the 4 gallons (Imp) is just the rough equivalent of five US Gallons. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada --- ricklach wrote: > > > I have two 701s, one built in the early 90s > and one and one built in early 2000. Both have 5-GAL > tanks, or so I was told when I got the airplanes. I > called Zenith and they knew of them but did not > provide any real information. I have not heard of > any 4-gal tanks, but a scratch builder could have > built anything that he wanted. > > Rick Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:21 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith wing skins From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" Thanks to everyone for their quick and helpful replies! Best regards, Dave Gardea do not archive -------- Dave Gardea 601XL - Corvair working on wings http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116318#116318 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:57 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nut plates also lock nuts? Yes In a message dated 6/4/2007 3:31:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, craig@craigandjean.com writes: Here is an ignorant question: I'm playing around with nut plates for the first time and notice that the screw does not easily thread all the way through. The last few threads on the nut plate are tight/distorted/out-of-round/something and it takes a little effort to turn the screw all the way through. I've noticed this on a regular and a floating nut plate. Is this done intentionally to provide a degree of locking? -- Craig ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:57 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support Bob, On the subject of the zodiac not flying well, my golf game has gone from an 82 average to a 95 becauase I changed my putter. On a serious note, I have flown the zodiac and it is FUN!!. you maybe trying to flare too hard. I noticed the 601 is like the CUb, you want to peg the airspeed at 60 knots over the thresh hold. over the thrresh hold, set the plane's attitude and don't try to flare too hard, justa touch. Landing the 601 is my favorite part and is lots of fun to do. If you cant get a hold of ZOdiac on the net, just pick up the phone, they usually answer in the first ring. On the CFII, he probably has not flown a plane that needed piloting, living on the Garmin 1000, rub my back while I fly kind of planes. Think Piper Cub, back to basics S and R. -----Original Message----- >From: robert stone >Sent: Jun 3, 2007 3:32 PM >To: Zenith list >Subject: Zenith-List: Factory Support > > I have seen a good many posts that claim good factory support. I would like to know what the secret is since I have sent three questions to Zenith and have yet to receive an answer to any of them. I have a completed Zodiac601XL that my dad had built and then gave it to me. > Also the ZodiacXL is touted as an easy aircraft to fly and this is anything but true. I am still trying to learn to land on a calm day and cross-wind landing are almost impossible to get right. My log book shows 258 hours in Spam Cans so I am a low time pilot. I have an instructor CFI/CFII that says "This is a high time pilot aircraft" > >Tracy Stone >Harker Heights, Tx >ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:53 AM PST US From: "Rob St Denis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Chat Or what about us ch640 builders ? If ya want a chat, I set one up at chat.iahu.ca a long time ago which is not being used Rob Hanmer Ontario ch640 stabilator (should be here soon the shops ready to roll) On 6/3/07, Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote: > > > Just curious, but do you not like the chat on this list and dislike 801's? > > Still do not archive. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "leinad" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 7:48 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Chat > > > > > > Is there a Zenair 601/701 chat? If not would anyone be interested in > > getting one going? > > > > Dan Dempsey (601XL/Corvair plans building.. 50% complete MAYBE) > > > > Do not archive > > > > -------- > > Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116251#116251 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:01 AM PST US From: "Frank Derfler" Subject: Zenith-List: Factory Support In Reply to Tracy Stone: Tracy -- I own and fly the AMD-made version of the 601XL, so I have no knowledge of factory support. But, I can certainly talk about landings. I don't agree with your assessment and I think it's important to say so because there are so many list members who haven't had the pleasure of flying the 601XL yet. I've flown three AMD-made 601XLs. I've got about 75 hours on the one I own and I've made landings all over Florida and Georgia -- sometimes in heavy crosswind conditions and almost always in heated bumpy air. (There is only one runway in Marathon, FL and the wind *usually* changes between the time you were on downwind and the time you are on short final.. the ramp temperature is seldom below 80 degrees) I am a 400 hour pilot. My 601 lands as sweetly as any Warrior, Cadet, 172, or DA-20 I've flown. It lands exactly the same as the Grumman Cheetah I owned. Question: Are you sitting high enough so you can clearly see over the cowling? That's useful. I have friends who need to sit on a pillow in my airplane. Set your gaze down at the far left side of the runway. Ignore all the bumping and jumping until you are just a few feet off the ground. I use very little flair. Not like the Kings' instructional video showing a full stall landing with the stall horn sounding. Don't stall it.... Just let it ... land. So, 601 builders, have no fear. They fly and land sweetly. Frank Derfler N183AM AMD-made 601XL flying in the Florida Keys See my information for pilots flying the SE at www.flyinflorida.com See my Blog, "Mostly Flying" at http://mostlyflying.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:53 AM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support I agree with Tracy regarding the flying of your XL. It would seem your a/c may not be aligned or trimmed as it should be. My experience on the 601HDS is that as long as you keep a bit of power on it is a pussycat to land. Shut the throttle on flare and it will drop like a stone. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:25 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith wing skins I'd convert the precut slot into an access hatch and make a new slot where it is supposed to go. First, however, make sure that you are lining the skin up properly and that the rib in question is located at the correct location. If all of that checks out, call the factory before proceeding. They may be able to spot the problem and suggest a better solution. Dred Do Not Archive ---- "dgardea(at)gmail.com" wrote: > > Hello 601XL kit builders .. anyone receive bottom wing skins with the tiedown slot precut to the outboard side (flange side) of rear rib #9? Of course the plans have you mounting the tiedown on the inboard side of rr #9 which makes sense. I am now faced with developing some way of mounting the tiedown by bringing it out even with the flange to match the very generous precut slot in the skin. Anyone run into this and develop a solution? Also a little odd that Zenith has chosen to predrill the spar edge of the top and bottom skins since the nose skin overlaps those skins thus rendering the pre-drilled holes kinda useless. I suppose I will try to tuck the nose skin under the top and bottom skins to try to transfer those predrilled holes to the nose skin before drilling and then move back on top to cleco. Your experience with this and solutions are appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dave Gardea > > -------- > Dave Gardea > 601XL - Corvair > working on wings > http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/ > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116275#116275 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:20 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nut plates also lock nuts? Yes. Nutplates are, in essence, high heat locknuts. Dred ---- Craig Payne wrote: > > Here is an ignorant question: I'm playing around with nut plates for the > first time and notice that the screw does not easily thread all the way > through. The last few threads on the nut plate are > tight/distorted/out-of-round/something and it takes a little effort to turn > the screw all the way through. I've noticed this on a regular and a floating > nut plate. Is this done intentionally to provide a degree of locking? > > -- Craig > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:55 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Rocky Mountain EAA Regional Fly-In From: "Gig Giacona" Any 601s going to be at the Rocky Mountain EAA Regional Fly-In later this month? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116350#116350 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:33 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: landing gear placement hi list i remember seeing a discussion regarding the direction the landing gear faces. there were some statements as to the center of gravity and how it was affected by having the flat edge of the gear forward or rearward. i can't seem to find it in the archeives. what are the advantages/disadvantages of each direction. in the zenith photo manual it shows the gear in the "not recommended direction. makes me think that it is an arbitrary decision. john butterfield 601XL, corvair torrance, ca Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:34 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: landing gear placement The pros and cons were: With a nose heavy plane and the flat side rearward, there is a tendancy of the nosewheel to come down hard after the mains touchdown. The result for some has been that the nose bungee bounces the nose back high enough to fly again due to the high AOA when the nose come up. Vice versa, with the flat side of the main gear forward, if two heavyweight folk step on the entry steps at the same time, they may overcome the nose weight and cause the plane to sit on its tail end tie down. The summary is that it depends on your preferrence and the final weight distribution of your plane. Fortunately, someone noted that if you have a bit of extra slack in your brake lines and don't mind the refitting work on wheel pants brackets, the gear can be changed later if you want to do so. Dred ---- john butterfield wrote: > > hi list > i remember seeing a discussion regarding the direction > the landing gear faces. there were some statements as > to the center of gravity and how it was affected by > having the flat edge of the gear forward or rearward. > i can't seem to find it in the archeives. what are > the advantages/disadvantages of each direction. in > the zenith photo manual it shows the gear in the "not > recommended direction. makes me think that it is an > arbitrary decision. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:38 AM PST US From: "Clive Richards" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support Tracy I would try & get some lessons from an instructor who flys a similar light weight plane as they have low inertia, we did having had difficulty at first landing Ray 601 HD, as It has a continental 0 200 & a header tank, we are now using the wing tanks to top up header tank and try to land with less than 25 lts in header tank . Tends to drop onto nose wheel as soon as mains touch & you remove power. Found we need to peg speed to 70 knots on final with approx 1600 rpm reduce to 60 knots & 1400 rpm in flare and land with power on. Very good in cross winds have landed with 15 to 20 knots across. I would have thought the XL would be easier has you have less drag. We did find ZAC slow to answer emails thought it was because we were in UK but managed to get answers eventually Clive Rays G CBDG 120 hrs do not archive From: "Juan Vega" Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support > > Bob, > > On the subject of the zodiac not flying well, my golf game has gone from > an 82 average to a 95 becauase I changed my putter. > > On a serious note, I have flown the zodiac and it is FUN!!. you maybe > trying to flare too hard. I noticed the 601 is like the CUb, you want to > peg the airspeed at 60 knots over the thresh hold. over the thrresh > hold, set the plane's attitude and don't try to flare too hard, justa > touch. Landing the 601 is my favorite part and is lots of fun to do. > > If you cant get a hold of ZOdiac on the net, just pick up the phone, they > usually answer in the first ring. > > On the CFII, he probably has not flown a plane that needed piloting, > living on the Garmin 1000, rub my back while I fly kind of planes. Think > Piper Cub, back to basics S and R. > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: robert stone >>Sent: Jun 3, 2007 3:32 PM >>To: Zenith list >>Subject: Zenith-List: Factory Support >> >> I have seen a good many posts that claim good factory support. I >> would like to know what the secret is since I have sent three questions >> to Zenith and have yet to receive an answer to any of them. I have a >> completed Zodiac601XL that my dad had built and then gave it to me. >> Also the ZodiacXL is touted as an easy aircraft to fly and this is >> anything but true. I am still trying to learn to land on a calm day and >> cross-wind landing are almost impossible to get right. My log book shows >> 258 hours in Spam Cans so I am a low time pilot. I have an instructor >> CFI/CFII that says "This is a high time pilot aircraft" >> >>Tracy Stone >>Harker Heights, Tx >>ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:25 AM PST US From: ken smith Subject: Re: Zenith-List: landing gear placement Michael Heintz told me that it was mainly dependent on engine weight. The issue is the stick force required to rotate on take off. A heavy engine would benefit from the mains offset forward. ( more lever arm for the horizontal stab). Ken --- john butterfield wrote: > > > hi list > i remember seeing a discussion regarding the > direction > the landing gear faces. there were some statements > as > to the center of gravity and how it was affected by > having the flat edge of the gear forward or > rearward. > i can't seem to find it in the archeives. what are > the advantages/disadvantages of each direction. in > the zenith photo manual it shows the gear in the > "not > recommended direction. makes me think that it is an > arbitrary decision. > john butterfield > 601XL, corvair > torrance, ca > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - > their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! > Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:33 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: landing gear placement With the flat side aft, the main gear are a few inches farther behind the CG. This gives them a longer lever arm and makes it a bit harder to rotate on take off and gives a tendency to drop the nose gear abruptly on landing. This also puts a bit more weight on the nose gear. Putting the flat side forward will reduce these tendencies. It has been stated that putting the flat side forward will make it easier to drop the tail on the ground when climbing into the plane by way of the rear step. According to my calculations, even with the plane loaded for gross weight and most aft CG, climbing out of the plane by the rear step will not put the tail on the ground. If both try to climb out at once, that may be a different story but that can easily be avoided. My gear legs have the flat face rearward because that was the way the plans showed it at the time. I have to ease the back pressure on the stick just after liftoff to avoid over-rotating and have to apply increased back pressure on touchdown to keep the nosewheel from dropping abruptly. This is not a real big deal and I've gotten used to this behavior. I never considered it dangerous, just a bit different than the planes I used to fly. If I were building it today, I would reverse the gear legs. Someday when I find the time, I will probably reverse my gear legs to improve the handling a bit. It's not a high priority with me though. On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:33 AM, john butterfield wrote: > > > hi list > i remember seeing a discussion regarding the direction > the landing gear faces. there were some statements as > to the center of gravity and how it was affected by > having the flat edge of the gear forward or rearward. > i can't seem to find it in the archeives. what are > the advantages/disadvantages of each direction. in > the zenith photo manual it shows the gear in the "not > recommended direction. makes me think that it is an > arbitrary decision. > john butterfield > 601XL, corvair > torrance, ca > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:11 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith wing skins From: "Tim Juhl" My skins (received the kit a year ago) did not have the holes predrilled for the LE flange nor did they have the slot for the tiedown ring cut. They were, however, 18 mm short of what was called for in the drawings which resulted in having to recalculate the "Y" distances slightly when it came to trimming the wing tips (top skins). It also had a few holes located at positions other than those called for in the plans. There was nothing I couldn't deal with but it did result in a little head scratching before I felt confident to proceed. I give ZAC credit for trying to make the process easier for us but I think sometimes they err themselves. It is important to point these problems out to them so that if need be they can make adjustments to their CNC machine. A gross error on their part would be justification to ask for a replacement. For your problem, swapping ribs sounds like a simple solution. Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116376#116376 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:42 AM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rocky Mountain EAA Regional Fly-In Gig, On the proposed instrument panel, both of them, I see what looks like the Garmin GPS. I have the Garmin 296 and use it for a secondary source of nav. My primary is the Lowrance 2000c. I am writing this to advise that if you have not yet purchased the Garmin, check the Lowrance 2000c out. It has most of the same features plus a larger screen but the best feature is the price is about 1/3rd of the Garmin. Tracy Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gig Giacona" Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:14 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Rocky Mountain EAA Regional Fly-In > > > Any 601s going to be at the Rocky Mountain EAA Regional Fly-In later this > month? > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116350#116350 > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:12 AM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Zenith-List: Cockpit heat Are any of you guys or gals experiencing extremes of heat in the cockpit while flying. I got a Kroger sun shade and installed it thus eliminating direct sunlight but am still getting a lot of unwanted heat from I suppose the engine compartment even though I closed off the extra space in the slots where the steering rods go through the firewall. Are any of you having the same problem and what are you doing about it. Tracy Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:19 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: landing gear placement Hi Bryan, I wonder if adding a little flaps on takeoff would ease this problem . . . At 08:21 AM 6/4/2007, you wrote: > I have to ease the back pressure on the stick just after liftoff > to avoid over-rotating > Paul XL fuselage do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:12 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cockpit heat From: "ronlee" I have a 701 and live in the desert (Tucson, AZ) and I get lots of heat from it. I wish I had put aluminum for the skylite instead of lexan. It seems to be dirty all the time anyway and I seldom look up through it. I am sure I will be replacing it in a few short years because of deterioration. If it was aluminum it would still be fine after thirty years or more. -------- Ron Lee Tucson, Arizona Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116402#116402 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:22 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Main gear axle drilling guide From: "ronlee" I drilled the holes with the proper spacing in a peice of one and a half or two inch thick hardwood, on my drill press. This kept the holes 90 degrees, square to the world. I clamped the hardwood to the gear in the proper place and drilled one hole. The hardwood block kept my hand held drill 90 degrees to the gear. In the the first hole I put a bolt through the wood,block and gear. This kept it from moving out of alignment assuring the next holes would be where they belong. Pull the drill out frequently to clear the chips so as not to waller out the holes in the wood block. This worked very well for me and didn't cost a dime. -------- Ron Lee Tucson, Arizona Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116407#116407 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:31 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith wing skins From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" Hi Tim, Thanks for the note. I should definitely call ZAC to let them know about the tiedown mis-cut on the bottom skin as you suggest. I plan to swap the #9 ribs as you guys recommended. Floyd, glad you had called ZAC and confirmed OK to do this. Paul, thanks for the advice on the spar cap angles .. I will likely take your approach with the next wing to be sure I have adequate web clearance. What a great forum and resource! .. I posted a note late last night and had three helpful replies already by the time I left for work today! Dave do not archive -------- Dave Gardea 601XL - Corvair working on wings http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116410#116410 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:05 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cockpit heat I put a layer of insulation on the cabin side of the firewall during construction. I don't feel any heat from the firewall, so it seems to work. On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:23 PM, robert stone wrote: > Are any of you guys or gals experiencing extremes of heat in > the cockpit while flying. I got a Kroger sun shade and installed > it thus eliminating direct sunlight but am still getting a lot of > unwanted heat from I suppose the engine compartment even though I > closed off the extra space in the slots where the steering rods go > through the firewall. Are any of you having the same problem and > what are you doing about it. > > Tracy Stone > Harker Heights, Tx > ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:53 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cockpit heat From: "Gig Giacona" Bryan, what type of insulation did you use? bryanmmartin wrote: > I put a layer of insulation on the cabin side of the firewall during construction. I don't feel any heat from the firewall, so it seems to work. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116431#116431 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:53 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: landing gear placement I doubt it. Landing with full flaps doesn't make the nose want to drop any slower. Normally, when the nosewheel touches down, the plane is through flying and is sitting solidly on its gear. You have to command a rotation to lift off. The tendency to over-rotate is strictly a matter of geometry. To rotate, the plane has to pivot around the main wheels. As soon as the wheels leave the ground, the plane wants to pivot around the CG, which is several inches farther forward. In effect, as soon as the plane lifts off, the lever arm of the elevators suddenly increases, giving them more torque. It's not a drastic effect, but it is noticeable. I've gotten used to the behavior and automatically correct for it now. On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Paul Mulwitz wrote: > > > Hi Bryan, > > I wonder if adding a little flaps on takeoff would ease this > problem . . . > > At 08:21 AM 6/4/2007, you wrote: >> I have to ease the back pressure on the stick just after liftoff >> to avoid over-rotating >> -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:06 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cockpit heat I got some stuff from J.C. Whitney that I used for the cabin floor also. The stuff is designed to be used under the carpeting in a car. It's basically shredded rags treated with fire retardant and glued to a sheet of aluminum foil. It's about half and inch thick. It holds up pretty well under the flooring and works as sound and heat insulation. Home Depot sells a product that might be slightly better for firewall insulation. It's used as air duct insulation. It's half an inch of fiberglass insulation glued to aluminum foil. It is probably a bit lighter than the stuff I used. You'd have to seal it up pretty well with aluminum tape to the keep glass fibers from getting into everything. On Jun 4, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Gig Giacona wrote: > > > Bryan, what type of insulation did you use? > > > bryanmmartin wrote: >> I put a layer of insulation on the cabin side of the firewall >> during construction. I don't feel any heat from the firewall, so >> it seems to work. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:35 PM PST US From: "Ian McClelland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith wing skins I drilled the holes in the spar caps first to ensure correct spacing and edge distance. I then used the back drill method to first pick up the rear skin and the nose skin. The back drill method uses a tool similar to the flange finder tool shown on www.601ch.org/tools Just remove the flange and put a solid csk 1/8 rivet in one of the pilot holes. This rivet is placed in the spar cap hole and you drill using the other pilot hole as a guide hole. Ian McClelland 601XL scratch builder Flight controls finished. Wings 70% complete New Zealand ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:53 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cockpit heat I just bought a couple of rubber shift stick boots out of the JC Whitney catalog to seal off the nosewheel steering rods. I bought the closed cell foam sheet insulation from AS but I don't know how well it will work yet. Dred > On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:23 PM, robert stone wrote: > > > Are any of you guys or gals experiencing extremes of heat in > > the cockpit while flying. I got a Kroger sun shade and installed > > it thus eliminating direct sunlight but am still getting a lot of > > unwanted heat from I suppose the engine compartment even though I > > closed off the extra space in the slots where the steering rods go > > through the firewall. Are any of you having the same problem and > > what are you doing about it. > > > > Tracy Stone > > Harker Heights, Tx > > ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 > > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, > RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. > do not archive. > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:00 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: landing gear placement Hi Bryan, The reason I asked about the takeoff flaps is a story I have heard that adding flaps requires nose up trim - just the opposite of Cessnas and Pipers. I thought maybe this condition would also apply to the takeoff so the nose up force on the stick for rotation might be counteracted by the nose down force of the flaps. Anyway, I always like to use a little flaps on takeoff to get the plane in the air faster. I haven't yet flown an XP, but most planes that are not horribly under powered like a little flaps on takeoff. Higher performance planes require it. Best regards, Paul At 12:21 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote: >I doubt it. Landing with full flaps doesn't make the nose want to >drop any slower. Normally, when the nosewheel touches down, the >plane is through flying and is sitting solidly on its gear. You have >to command a rotation to lift off. The tendency to over-rotate is >strictly a matter of geometry. To rotate, the plane has to pivot >around the main wheels. As soon as the wheels leave the ground, the >plane wants to pivot around the CG, which is several inches farther >forward. In effect, as soon as the plane lifts off, the lever arm of >the elevators suddenly increases, giving them more torque. It's not >a drastic effect, but it is noticeable. I've gotten used to the >behavior and automatically correct for it now. > > >On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Paul Mulwitz wrote: > >><p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> >> >>Hi Bryan, >> >>I wonder if adding a little flaps on takeoff would ease this problem . . . >> >>At 08:21 AM 6/4/2007, you wrote: >>> I have to ease the back pressure on the stick just after liftoff >>> to avoid over-rotating > > >-- >Bryan Martin >N61BM, CH 601 XL, >RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. >do not archive. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:26 PM PST US From: "gfduncan" Subject: Zenith-List: Grove Gear. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:10 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: landing gear placement depends on placement of gear relative to CG. in the plans, you can put the mains flat side forward or flat side facing back. differnce in feal will be apparent. if the mains are facing flat side back on the heavier engines, more weight is on the nose gear so you will need to unstick the plane. on the mains facing forward, you can pitch the trim for take off at 60 knots, with a slight touch on the elevator up. Example would be trying to hold the nose off the runway on a a fast taxi. If you can hold the nose up at around 40 mph, you can trim the plane. A flap setting will actual pitch the p[lane down a bit. example when setting up for final, if you are trimmedat 60 knots, if you hit the flaps to 20degrees, the nose pitches up. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Bryan Martin >Sent: Jun 4, 2007 3:21 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: landing gear placement > >I doubt it. Landing with full flaps doesn't make the nose want to >drop any slower. Normally, when the nosewheel touches down, the plane >is through flying and is sitting solidly on its gear. You have to >command a rotation to lift off. The tendency to over-rotate is >strictly a matter of geometry. To rotate, the plane has to pivot >around the main wheels. As soon as the wheels leave the ground, the >plane wants to pivot around the CG, which is several inches farther >forward. In effect, as soon as the plane lifts off, the lever arm of >the elevators suddenly increases, giving them more torque. It's not a >drastic effect, but it is noticeable. I've gotten used to the >behavior and automatically correct for it now. > > >On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Paul Mulwitz wrote: > >> >> >> Hi Bryan, >> >> I wonder if adding a little flaps on takeoff would ease this >> problem . . . >> >> At 08:21 AM 6/4/2007, you wrote: >>> I have to ease the back pressure on the stick just after liftoff >>> to avoid over-rotating >>> > > >-- >Bryan Martin >N61BM, CH 601 XL, >RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. >do not archive. > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:06 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cockpit heat From: "Gig Giacona" To attach it to the firewall did you just use glue? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116461#116461 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:14 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Grove Gear. From: "Gig Giacona" Still can't see you. Do not archive. gfduncan(at)cox.net wrote: > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116462#116462 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:23 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nut plates also lock nuts? Yes. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:26 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Nut plates also lock nuts? > > Here is an ignorant question: I'm playing around with nut plates for the > first time and notice that the screw does not easily thread all the way > through. The last few threads on the nut plate are > tight/distorted/out-of-round/something and it takes a little effort to turn > the screw all the way through. I've noticed this on a regular and a floating > nut plate. Is this done intentionally to provide a degree of locking? > > -- Craig > > > -- 6:43 PM > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:35 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cockpit heat I was thinking about using those snap -together floor mat s that are 24x24 sq. they 're about 1/2 " thick . I'm sure they will kill all the vib. sound ,going to glue them to the inside of the fire wall, floor ,and floor sides also,the rear storeage shelf and the over head of the shelf .Ifire tested them with a tourch they didn't want to burn,and didn't put off any bad smoke going to fit them tight around thr steering rods with just a slit for the rod to travel up and down, the whole bundle couldn't be over a couple of lbs. you can get them in any color Home Depot, harbor freight, cheap....I think they will do a great job .. Joe N101HD 601XL ----- Original Message ----- P.S. don's want the heat or vib sound, need Quiet while trying to get back on the ground!..... From: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cockpit heat > > I just bought a couple of rubber shift stick boots out of the JC Whitney > catalog to seal off the nosewheel steering rods. I bought the closed cell > foam sheet insulation from AS but I don't know how well it will work yet. > > Dred > >> On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:23 PM, robert stone wrote: >> >> > Are any of you guys or gals experiencing extremes of heat in >> > the cockpit while flying. I got a Kroger sun shade and installed >> > it thus eliminating direct sunlight but am still getting a lot of >> > unwanted heat from I suppose the engine compartment even though I >> > closed off the extra space in the slots where the steering rods go >> > through the firewall. Are any of you having the same problem and >> > what are you doing about it. >> > >> > Tracy Stone >> > Harker Heights, Tx >> > ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 >> >> >> -- >> Bryan Martin >> N61BM, CH 601 XL, >> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. >> do not archive. >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:56 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cockpit heat I used a spray on adhesive similar to what I used to glue the seat foam together and then taped around the exposed edges with aluminum tape. It's held on tight for two years now. On Jun 4, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Gig Giacona wrote: > > > To attach it to the firewall did you just use glue? -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:56 PM PST US From: "Ken Arnold" Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation Dear Listers, I am ready to order a GPS for my CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I have reduced the affordable units to three: - Garmin GPS 296 $1,495 - Lowrance 200C $999 - AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495 Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please indicate your experience. Regards, Ken Arnold N701LK 75% do not archive ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:25 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation Go Airmap 2000 all the way! I have in the 601 and if it had legs I would marry it! there are various times you can find it on sale for less than $800.00 has terain avoidance, thats a good thing. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Ken Arnold >Sent: Jun 4, 2007 6:43 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation > >Dear Listers, >I am ready to order a GPS for my CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I have reduced the affordable units to three: >- Garmin GPS 296 $1,495 >- Lowrance 200C $999 >- AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495 > >Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please indicate your experience. >Regards, >Ken Arnold >N701LK 75% > >do not archive ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:18 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation I swear by the Avmap, a couple of things to consider, screen size, bigger is actually better in this case when looking at a moving map. Make SURE you check out the price of updates, the airmap takes a huge dive in this issue. Garmin and Avmap have the better terrain and flight information. But only the New Garmin outweights the Avmap the Garmin 296 is not comparable in value. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Juan Vega Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:05 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation Go Airmap 2000 all the way! I have in the 601 and if it had legs I would marry it! there are various times you can find it on sale for less than $800.00 has terain avoidance, thats a good thing. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Ken Arnold >Sent: Jun 4, 2007 6:43 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation > >Dear Listers, >I am ready to order a GPS for my CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I have reduced the affordable units to three: >- Garmin GPS 296 $1,495 >- Lowrance 200C $999 >- AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495 > >Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please indicate your experience. >Regards, >Ken Arnold >N701LK 75% > >do not archive 6:43 PM 6:43 PM ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:39 PM PST US From: "Damien and Kathy" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Fuel tanks. Thanks for the replies. DO NOT ARCHIVE. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MacDonald Doug" Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Fuel tanks. > > I seem to remember something about the wing tank > option only being 4 Gal when they were first installed > in the CH-701. Given the vintage of the kit, it is > likely that is what has happened. > > Also, it is possible that they are 4 Imp Gal or 5 US > Gal. Since Zenair (not Zenith) is/was a Canadian > company, it is possible that the 4 gallons (Imp) is > just the rough equivalent of five US Gallons. > > Doug MacDonald > CH-701 Scratch Builder > NW Ontario, Canada > > --- ricklach wrote: > >> >> >> I have two 701?Ts, one built in the early 90?Ts >> and one and one built in early 2000. Both have 5-GAL >> tanks, or so I was told when I got the airplanes. I >> called Zenith and they knew of them but did not >> provide any real information. I have not heard of >> any 4-gal tanks, but a scratch builder could have >> built anything that he wanted. >> >> Rick > > > Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of > spyware protection. > http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php > > > ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:46 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair mount bolt length Corvair people- When I found out that you needed longer than kit-supplied firewall mount bolts for a Corvair installation, I took the advice of a fellow lister and got some 3-1/2" bolts and was going to retrofit them to the kit mounts. Then, Craig Payne sent me a set that he wasn't using that have 2-3/4" bolts. My question is, can I get by with 2-3/4" bolts, or am I back to square 1? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:36 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair mount bolt length Do you have your motor mount? My WW mount had 1.5 inch or 38 mm tubes on it just like Zenith shows on their Lycoming O-235 dynafocal mount (sheet 6-YE-2 in the plans). Have you searched the Corvair list archives? There was a lot of traffic on this. http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp -- Craig ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:40 PM PST US From: "Richard Harvey" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nut plates also lock nuts? As you have already read, the bottom threads provide a very firm locking. I couldn't even get a screw through without stripping the slot in the screw head, so I ran a tap into each of the nut plates a little ways until they loosened up enough to get the screw through. Be careful doing that however, because if the tap goes in too far the nut plate gets too loose to be secure. Richard Harvey 601 XL 70% done Jabiru 3300 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:26 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Nut plates also lock nuts? > > Here is an ignorant question: I'm playing around with nut plates for the > first time and notice that the screw does not easily thread all the way > through. The last few threads on the nut plate are > tight/distorted/out-of-round/something and it takes a little effort to > turn > the screw all the way through. I've noticed this on a regular and a > floating > nut plate. Is this done intentionally to provide a degree of locking? > > -- Craig > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) > Database version: 5.07440 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07440 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:14 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair mount bolt length Craig- No, I don't have the mount. How do I access the Corvair archives? Here's a question for all. What is the recommended radius for the crank journal sides? Just miked my journals and I have to go .010 under, so I know I'm going to have to have the radii put in. Have to give the machinists a number to hit. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair mount bolt length Do you have your motor mount? My WW mount had 1.5 inch or 38 mm tubes on it just like Zenith shows on their Lycoming O-235 dynafocal mount (sheet 6-YE-2 in the plans). Have you searched the Corvair list archives? There was a lot of traffic on this. http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp -- Craig ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:44 PM PST US From: Ryan Vechinski Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Wing Nose Rib Form and crimps While making my wing nose rib the other day, I noticed that the plans call for "2 crimp on bottom". The picture only shows one location and gives onl y one measurment for a crimp on the bottom of the nose rib. Is this in fac t the case, and the "2" is wrong? or am I missing a crimp location? ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:27 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair mount bolt length Just click on the link in my message. Here it is again: www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp Also Nick sent me this back in Feb '06: "In the latest edition, we no longer weld the bolt to the engine mount fitting. For the lower engine mount fittings, installing the bolt after the fitting is installed to the fuselage allows for better alignment. For a 38mm long bushing, allow approximately 3mm to go through the fitting, the doubler and firewall = 41mm A better bolt to use is an AN6-22A (grip length = 1-11/16")" -- Craig ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:17 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation From: "Tim Juhl" I love my Garmin 296 - It is a wonderful unit and easy to use. The 396 with the real time weather capability is a neat unit too. The Garmin has a page that displays basic flight instruments which I used with a safety pilot to fly an instrument approach... not legal but nice to have if everything else on your panel went dark. >From the other responses you can see that it is hard to go wrong. Look at things such as how you want to mount it and antenna and power considerations. Also, do you plan to interface with an autopilot? I know the Garmin will and I would assume the other units do as well. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116534#116534 ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:12 PM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Wing Nose Rib Form and crimps > One crimp will do Ryan --- Ryan Vechinski wrote: > While making my wing nose rib the other day, I > noticed that the plans call for "2 crimp on bottom". > The picture only shows one location and gives only > one measurment for a crimp on the bottom of the nose > rib. Is this in fact the case, and the "2" is > wrong? or am I missing a crimp location? Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:46 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nut plates also lock nuts? To make it easier to screw the screws into the nutplates, use Boelube. That way you won't have to loosen the threads with a tap. Dred ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Harvey To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nut plates also lock nuts? As you have already read, the bottom threads provide a very firm locking. I couldn't even get a screw through without stripping the slot in the screw head, so I ran a tap into each of the nut plates a little ways until they loosened up enough to get the screw through. Be careful doing that however, because if the tap goes in too far the nut plate gets too loose to be secure. Richard Harvey 601 XL 70% done Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:48 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair mount bolt length Gotcha. Thanks. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:29 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair mount bolt length Just click on the link in my message. Here it is again: www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp Also Nick sent me this back in Feb '06: "In the latest edition, we no longer weld the bolt to the engine mount fitting. For the lower engine mount fittings, installing the bolt after the fitting is installed to the fuselage allows for better alignment. For a 38mm long bushing, allow approximately 3mm to go through the fitting, the doubler and firewall = 41mm A better bolt to use is an AN6-22A (grip length = 1-11/16")" -- Craig ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:34 PM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation Ken, I have a Lowrance 2000c and love it. All are good units but the Lowrance 2000c is so much cheaper than the others that I would get one of those if I were you. Tracy Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Arnold To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation Dear Listers, I am ready to order a GPS for my CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I have reduced the affordable units to three: - Garmin GPS 296 $1,495 - Lowrance 200C $999 - AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495 Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please indicate your experience. Regards, Ken Arnold N701LK 75% do not archive ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:17 PM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cockpit heat Bryan, Could you be more specific as to what kind of spray on glue you used and where is it available. Also what did you glue on and where is it available. My ZodiacXL is completed and flying so it will not be easy to install a heat shield but I have to do something because the cockpit heat is unbearable and will get worse as the summer gets hotter. Tracy Stone Harher Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Martin To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cockpit heat I used a spray on adhesive similar to what I used to glue the seat foam together and then taped around the exposed edges with aluminum tape. It's held on tight for two years now. On Jun 4, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Gig Giacona wrote: To attach it to the firewall did you just use glue? -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:30 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation From: "Ron Lendon" Picked up the Lowrance 2000c at SnF 2007 for $709 + tax. I have flown it and lovit. Plan on hooking it up to an autopilot. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116573#116573 ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 701 for sale on barnstormers From: Brad Larson Just listed on Barnstormers.com ZENITH 701 STOL $19,500 FLY RIGHT NOW 701CE was built Chip Erwin, Cont A65 with Prince P-Tip prop, 12 gal fuel capacity, new larger disc brakes, approx 118 hrs, speed indicator, altimeter, oil temp , pressure, engine tach, hr meter, CHT, compass. Cell: 701-730-2051 Contact Brad L. Larson - located Gardner, ND USA Telephone: 701-484-5557 Posted June 4, 2007 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser Recommend This Ad to a Friend Email Advertiser Report This Ad ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:57 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cockpit heat I think this is the same insulation I used from J.C. Whitney: http://tinyurl.com/2foco5 and they sell an adhesive for it: http://tinyurl.com/2b7p23 I've also seen fiberglass air duct insulation with a foil backing at Home Depot that might work well. The adhesive I used, I bought either from ACE hardware or Home Depot. 3M Super 77 was one type I have used: http://tinyurl.com/2xo8sk Office Depot also sells it: http://tinyurl.com/2uth3y The ACE store had another brand of spray adhesive that also worked well. A brush-on contact cement might also work well. On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:11 PM, robert stone wrote: > Bryan, > Could you be more specific as to what kind of spray on glue > you used and where is it available. Also what did you glue on and > where is it available. My ZodiacXL is completed and flying so it > will not be easy to install a heat shield but I have to do > something because the cockpit heat is unbearable and will get worse > as the summer gets hotter. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:13 PM PST US From: xl Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cockpit heat I had the stock Jabiru muffler until I had two weld failures. I replaced the stock muffler with homemade pipes that extend behind the cockpit (it's in the archive). The stock Jabiru mufflers dump the hot exhaust directly under the cockpit floor. Put your hand on it - the floor it's hot. I put a piece of metal between the Jabiru exhaust pipes and the cockpit floor, that helped some. But dumping the heat further away helped more. Also, I stick a couple of pens underneath the front of the canopy - between the canopy and the forward top skin. That gives a stream of air that helps cool the cockpit. (It's recommended by Chris Heintz.) I also put a pipe vent on each side of the cockpit to get more air. Can't open a window - that canopy does get hot in the sun. Joe E N633Z @ BFI CH601XL, Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 49x64 wood prop 450 hours http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/ On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, robert stone wrote: > Are any of you guys or gals experiencing extremes of heat in the cockpit > while flying. I got a Kroger sun shade and installed it thus > eliminating direct sunlight but am still getting a lot of unwanted heat > from I suppose the engine compartment even though I closed off the extra > space in the slots where the steering rods go through the firewall. Are > any of you having the same problem and what are you doing about it. > do not archive > Tracy Stone > Harker Heights, Tx > ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.