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1. 12:20 AM - Re: Factory Support (Flydog1966@aol.com)
2. 04:38 AM - New to list (vann covington)
3. 05:05 AM - Re: New to list (ZodieRocket)
4. 05:26 AM - Re: Factory Support (Juan Vega)
5. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: GPS Recommendation (Juan Vega)
6. 07:29 AM - Re: Factory Support (Jeff Davidson)
7. 07:31 AM - Re: Factory Support (Charles Wacker)
8. 07:38 AM - Apollo AP400 Spraymate (Ron D Leclerc)
9. 08:05 AM - Re: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? (Jimbo)
10. 08:13 AM - Re: GPS Recommendation (bob west)
11. 08:34 AM - GPS Recommendation (Joe)
12. 08:43 AM - Re: Factory Support (Art Gibeaut)
13. 09:11 AM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Robin Bellach)
14. 09:22 AM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Craig Payne)
15. 09:47 AM - 2007 Valdez May Day Fly-In Results? (Keystone Engineering LLC)
16. 09:52 AM - Re: GPS Recommendation ()
17. 10:06 AM - 801 take off and landing distance with and without slats (Keystone Engineering LLC)
18. 10:13 AM - Re: Factory Support (MacDonald Doug)
19. 11:07 AM - Re: 801 take off and landing distance with and without slats (MacDonald Doug)
20. 11:41 AM - Re Smoking Rivets (Zed Smith)
21. 11:50 AM - Re: GPS Recommendation (japhillipsga@aol.com)
22. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: GPS Recommendation (Dan Lykowski)
23. 01:34 PM - Re: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? (David Downey)
24. 02:08 PM - crimp pliers (mudbuginc@netzero.net)
25. 02:24 PM - Re: crimp pliers (Carlos Sa)
26. 03:05 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Gig Giacona)
27. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: GPS Recommendation ()
28. 03:30 PM - Re: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? (Juan Vega)
29. 03:35 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Juan Vega)
30. 03:35 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Juan Vega)
31. 03:39 PM - Re: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? (Juan Vega)
32. 04:23 PM - Sunlight and your GPS (robert stone)
33. 04:33 PM - Re: crimp pliers (ZodieRocket)
34. 04:41 PM - Re: crimp pliers (Aaron Gustafson)
35. 04:48 PM - Re: Sunlight and your GPS (Craig Payne)
36. 04:55 PM - Re: Sunlight and your GPS ()
37. 05:30 PM - Re: crimp pliers (Robin Bellach)
38. 06:03 PM - Re: crimp pliers (Carlos Sa)
39. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: GPS Recommendation (Paul Mulwitz)
40. 06:55 PM - Re: crimp pliers (Robin Bellach)
41. 07:02 PM - Re: Sunlight and your GPS (Jaybannist@cs.com)
42. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day (nyterminat@aol.com)
43. 07:11 PM - for CH701 Builders Only... (Jon Croke)
44. 08:40 PM - Re: 601XL Empty weights (David X)
45. 09:16 PM - Re: Factory Support (JohnDRead@aol.com)
46. 09:18 PM - Re: Factory Support (JohnDRead@aol.com)
47. 09:33 PM - Re: 801 take off and landing distance with and without slats (JohnDRead@aol.com)
48. 10:54 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com)
49. 10:54 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com)
50. 10:54 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com)
51. 10:54 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com)
52. 10:54 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com)
53. 10:54 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com)
54. 10:54 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com)
55. 10:55 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com)
56. 11:40 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day (kevinbonds)
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| Subject: | Re: Factory Support |
In a message dated 6/3/2007 3:36:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rstone4@hot.rr.com writes:
I have seen a good many posts that claim good factory support. I would like
to know what the secret is since I have sent three questions to Zenith and
have yet to receive an answer to any of them.
Yeah,that reminds me, I sent them a question a month ago, and still have not
heard from them !
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I am new to the list. Just bought a 2006 701 partially completed kit about 70%
done. I am interested in contacting anyone owning or building in my area of
Raleigh, NC or within 100 miles. Thanks, Vann
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Vann make sure you contact Zenith and fill out the change of ownership
forms.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
HYPERLINK
"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vann
covington
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:37 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: New to list
I am new to the list. Just bought a 2006 701 partially completed kit
about 70% done. I am interested in contacting anyone owning or building
in my area of Raleigh, NC or within 100 miles. Thanks, Vann
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| Subject: | Re: Factory Support |
pick up the phone and call, I know its hard to do, but give it the old college
try.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Flydog1966@aol.com
>Sent: Jun 5, 2007 3:19 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support
>
>
>In a message dated 6/3/2007 3:36:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>rstone4@hot.rr.com writes:
>
>I have seen a good many posts that claim good factory support. I would like
>to know what the secret is since I have sent three questions to Zenith and
>have yet to receive an answer to any of them.
>
>
>Yeah,that reminds me, I sent them a question a month ago, and still have not
>heard from them !
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
Airmap 2000 hooks up nicely to the Dynon 10 and 100.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Lendon <rlendon@comcast.net>
>Sent: Jun 4, 2007 11:41 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation
>
>
>Picked up the Lowrance 2000c at SnF 2007 for $709 + tax. I have flown it and
lovit. Plan on hooking it up to an autopilot.
>
>--------
>Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
>Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
>http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116573#116573
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Factory Support |
Try putting your name and builder's number in the subject line of any email you
send to ZAC.
Jeff D.
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| Subject: | Re: Factory Support |
Email response from Zenith is not very good. Pick uo the phone and call and
you will be very happy with their support.
Chuck Wacker
N601CW, Quick Build
>From: Flydog1966@aol.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:19:04 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 6/3/2007 3:36:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>rstone4@hot.rr.com writes:
>
>I have seen a good many posts that claim good factory support. I would
>like
>to know what the secret is since I have sent three questions to Zenith and
>have yet to receive an answer to any of them.
>
>
>Yeah,that reminds me, I sent them a question a month ago, and still have
>not
>heard from them !
>
>
>************************************** See what's free at
>http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Apollo AP400 Spraymate |
Has anyone heard of the - Apollo AP400 Spraymate HVLP paint
sprayer. They are in the UK ....
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product-Apollo-AP400-Spraymate-21218.htm
Trying to locate a supplier or distributor in N.A....
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? |
--- David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Please advise me on this: any know the hard
> differentiating factors that would drive someone to
> choose one or the other? In the old days ZCP was the
> only way to go. Now I keep hearing about the ZPP -
> and it is cheaper...
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
I hope this does not become a debate like red or green
Scotchbrite. Simply stated, there is no effective
substitute for hexavalent chromium for corrosion
protection of aircraft aluminum alloys. It is even
"self healing" if scratched. Phosphates may be better
for iron and steel. Having said that, 6061 is much
more corrosion resistant itself than the more commonly
used 2000-series alloys.
The main downside to zinc-chromate is that it is
toxic, both spray mist and sanding dust. Cost is
almost identical at the suppliers I use, Aircraft
spruce and a local marine supply store.
Also, green is just yellow with a little carbon black
added. The reason for that is that back in the 1930's,
the Army wanted something eaisier on the eyes for
exposed surfaces inside the aircraft. Yellow is
generally used under paint. Green works just as well.
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
Ken,
I went with Lowrance. Your list includes all good products. I spent about a week
learning how to use mine, instead of watching TV. The simulator mode is great,
you can fly anywhere/anytime and try out all the great inovations before
you even get into the aircraft. But check with Aircraft Spruce last, they will
beat anyprice that you find. I just called and told them that I could get a better
price at "xyz" and the lowered their price.
Bob West
701
Ken Arnold <arno7452@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Dear Listers,
I am ready to order a GPS for my CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I have reduced
the affordable units to three:
- Garmin GPS 296 $1,495
- Lowrance 200C $999
- AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495
Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please indicate your
experience.
Regards,
Ken Arnold
N701LK 75%
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| Subject: | GPS Recommendation |
Juan,
I can't make up my mind about either the Lowrance 2000c or the Avmap. I like
the big screen on the Avmap. Does the 2000c do more?
I also love the Vista Nav but there aren't enough out there yet to know if
they are dependable. I notived the price is really coming down on GPS units.
E-bay has them NEW for much less than most dealers
Joe in Oshkosh
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| Subject: | Re: Factory Support |
Chuck is right. I just now caled the factory on a
question and got Caleb right away, got the answer and
was off the phone in about a minute. I think they get
overwhelmed with Emails, so just call. It works.
Art Gibeaut
CH701 Components
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--- Charles Wacker <ccwacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <ccwacker@hotmail.com>
>
> Email response from Zenith is not very good. Pick uo
> the phone and call and
> you will be very happy with their support.
>
> Chuck Wacker
> N601CW, Quick Build
>
>
> >From: Flydog1966@aol.com
> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support
> >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:19:04 EDT
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 6/3/2007 3:36:41 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> >rstone4@hot.rr.com writes:
> >
> >I have seen a good many posts that claim good
> factory support. I would
> >like
> >to know what the secret is since I have sent three
> questions to Zenith and
> >have yet to receive an answer to any of them.
> >
> >
> >Yeah,that reminds me, I sent them a question a
> month ago, and still have
> >not
> >heard from them !
> >
> >
> >
> >************************************** See what's
> free at
> >http://www.aol.com.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
I've been planning on a 2000C, much because I thought it's 5" screen was the
largest available without spending considerably more. How big is the Avmap
screen?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe" <joe@kfiz.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:32 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation
>
> Juan,
>
> I can't make up my mind about either the Lowrance 2000c or the Avmap. I
> like the big screen on the Avmap. Does the 2000c do more?
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| Subject: | GPS Recommendation |
No mater what you buy don't forget the Air Gizmos docks for a slick
installation (iPods too!):
www.airgizmos.com
-- Craig
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| Subject: | 2007 Valdez May Day Fly-In Results? |
Scott
I am embarrassed! I got bit by the rules committee at the fly-in and did
not really complete. I did not think anyone noticed. They left the
distance markings on the tarmac so I will go out one of these evenings and
measure my landing and take off distance with and without slats like I
wanted to.
They brought up a "carbon cub" this year. Every non-structural piece was
made out of carbon fiber. It was light and had a 220 hp IO-360 engine. It
got off in less than the length of it's fuselage. I don't remember the
exact number but it was 17' or so. Can you imagine a cub taking off in 21'
and getting second place?
Bill Wilcox
Valdez, AK
N801BW
307 hrs
Did any Zenith's compete in this years competition? I saw Bill Wilcox took
first
:) in last years competition...
-Scott
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| Subject: | GPS Recommendation |
One under-appreciated feature of the gps docking gizmo is that it takes away the
option of manuvering the screen to whatever position/angle suits you best at
a given moment. That positiion and angle are subject to change on different flights.
A RAM mount arm is much more versatile and if/when you change to a different/newer
unit you are not going to be SOL with the old docking station. Also,
the RAM mounting arms come in at least three different lengths to sut your
desires. It's worth thinking about.
Dred
---- Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
>
> No mater what you buy don't forget the Air Gizmos docks for a slick
> installation (iPods too!):
>
> www.airgizmos.com
>
> -- Craig
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| Subject: | 801 take off and landing distance with and without slats |
Hi
I finally got around to measuring my take off and landing lengths with and without
slats. Conditions:
Temp 54 F
DP 52 F
Alt 29.78
Wind 5-7 MPH headwind
Weight 1690 lbs
Lycoming O-360 burning super unleaded
82" long 40" pitch prop
I got 4 tries:
With slats and VGs feathers
Take off Landing
165' 290
150 290
165 270
175 270
Average 164 280
No slats just VGs feathers
220 320
200 258
190 285
220 310
Average 207 293
If I can convince my wife that flying without slats is OK, my slats are for sale.
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
308 hrs
Valdez, AK USA
Changing back to cruise prop and moving my VG on the tail.
What does anyone know about smoking rivets?
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| Subject: | Re: Factory Support |
I can't really comment on the e-mail/phone support
from the factory since I have only ever dealt with
them when I picked up my landing gear kit. Roger was
an excellent host and a big help when I showed up
unannounced late on a Friday Afternoon last Fall.
I can, however, comment on the excellent service I
have received from Mark Townsend and David Barth from
CAN-ZAC. Although it means I'm not buying much
directly from them, Mark and David have both
encouraged me to scratch build my CH-701. They are
always quick to reply to both my e-mails and to my
phone calls. If they don't know the answer (rarely
happens) they find out for me quickly.
I cannot ask for better customer service.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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--- Art Gibeaut <aagibeaut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <aagibeaut@yahoo.com>
>
> Chuck is right. I just now caled the factory on a
> question and got Caleb right away, got the answer
> and
> was off the phone in about a minute. I think they
> get
> overwhelmed with Emails, so just call. It works.
>
> Art Gibeaut
> CH701 Components
>
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| Subject: | Re: 801 take off and landing distance with and without slats |
> What does anyone know about smoking rivets?
>
>
Simple, a smoking rivet is loose and needs to be
replaced. The "Smoke" is powdered aluminum being
chewed out of the rivet/sheet joint. Try just
replacing the rivet. If you have no further problems,
great. If it starts to smoke again, try up-sizing the
rivet.
As always, be sure to consult the AC43-13 since it is
the Bible when it comes to such things.
Doug MacDOnald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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| Subject: | Re Smoking Rivets |
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Had a neighbor once who smoked lots of stuff....maybe even rivets.
He said he didn't inhale.
Regards,
Zed
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
I agreed with Ed.=C2- The sun really beats into the canopy on the 601s and
even with the brightest screen you can lose viewing. With the ability to di
lt and twist the GPS I can usually overcome the problem, Best regards, Bill
of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: dredmoody@cox.net
Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:52 pm
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation
One under-appreciated feature of the gps docking gizmo is that it takes away
the
ption of manuvering the screen to whatever position/angle suits you best at
a
iven moment. That positiion and angle are subject to change on different
lights. A RAM mount arm is much more versatile and if/when you change to a
ifferent/newer unit you are not going to be SOL with the old docking station
.
lso, the RAM mounting arms come in at least three different lengths to sut y
our
esires. It's worth thinking about.
Dred
---- Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
No mater what you buy don't forget the Air Gizmos docks for a slick
installation (iPods too!):
www.airgizmos.com
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
Just a note on this. In the currently released Dynon firmware, a bug disables the
course selection on the HSI when connected to Lowrance GPS units. The fix will
be in the next firmware release. (Soon).
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics
----- Original Message ----
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2007 5:27:46 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation
Airmap 2000 hooks up nicely to the Dynon 10 and 100.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Lendon <rlendon@comcast.net>
>Sent: Jun 4, 2007 11:41 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation
>
>
>Picked up the Lowrance 2000c at SnF 2007 for $709 + tax. I have flown it and
lovit. Plan on hooking it up to an autopilot.
>
>--------
>Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
>Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
>http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116573#116573
>
>
Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo!
Answers - Check it out.
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thanks to everyone who has input on this.
do not archive
Jimbo <jimandmandy@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- David Downey
wrote:
> Please advise me on this: any know the hard
> differentiating factors that would drive someone to
> choose one or the other? In the old days ZCP was the
> only way to go. Now I keep hearing about the ZPP -
> and it is cheaper...
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
I hope this does not become a debate like red or green
Scotchbrite. Simply stated, there is no effective
substitute for hexavalent chromium for corrosion
protection of aircraft aluminum alloys. It is even
"self healing" if scratched. Phosphates may be better
for iron and steel. Having said that, 6061 is much
more corrosion resistant itself than the more commonly
used 2000-series alloys.
The main downside to zinc-chromate is that it is
toxic, both spray mist and sanding dust. Cost is
almost identical at the suppliers I use, Aircraft
spruce and a local marine supply store.
Also, green is just yellow with a little carbon black
added. The reason for that is that back in the 1930's,
the Army wanted something eaisier on the eyes for
exposed surfaces inside the aircraft. Yellow is
generally used under paint. Green works just as well.
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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Mark
I seem to remember seeing instructions for making your crimp pliers some
where but I don't remember where. Can you tell me where to find them or
at least what size rods you used?
Lou Alvarez
Ladonia, TX
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or at least what size rods you used?</P>
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| Subject: | Re: crimp pliers |
Here's one plan I built : http://www.vansairforce.org/tools/
No welding required.
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
On 05/06/07, mudbuginc@netzero.net <mudbuginc@netzero.net> wrote:
>
> Mark
>
> I seem to remember seeing instructions for making your crimp pliers
> somewhere but I don't remember where. Can you tell me where to find them or
> at least what size rods you used?
>
> Lou Alvarez
> Ladonia, TX
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
They've come up with a fix for that Dred.
They have bot horizontal and vertical angle thingys.
http://www.airgizmos.com/products.asp
dredmoody(at)cox.net wrote:
> One under-appreciated feature of the gps docking gizmo is that it takes away
the option of manuvering the screen to whatever position/angle suits you best
at a given moment. That positiion and angle are subject to change on different
flights. A RAM mount arm is much more versatile and if/when you change to a different/newer
unit you are not going to be SOL with the old docking station.
Also, the RAM mounting arms come in at least three different lengths to sut your
desires. It's worth thinking about.
>
> Dred
>
> ---- Craig Payne wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > No mater what you buy don't forget the Air Gizmos docks for a slick
> > installation (iPods too!):
> >
> > www.airgizmos.com
> >
> > -- Craig
> >
> >
>
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116726#116726
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
Did Isend you a photo of my panel? I don't think a panel dock could posssibly offer
the range of positions and angles that a RAM mount system can provide (I
could be wrong of course.... it has happened before). And then what do you do
in four or five years when you decide to get a newer and improved-er gps unit?
Remove the old panel dock and buy and install a new one when you could just swap
the RAM ball over to the new unit? Don'y gry mr wrong here, I do think they
look very professional and mucho tidy but the objections I just described are
deal killers for me.
Dred
PS: How's your plane coming along? I just started rivetting the forward side skins,
main gear mounts etc. The end of the building saga sure seems to be a long
way off still.
---- Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>
> They've come up with a fix for that Dred.
> They have bot horizontal and vertical angle thingys.
>
> http://www.airgizmos.com/products.asp
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| Subject: | Re: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? |
check the archives,
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jimbo <jimandmandy@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jun 5, 2007 11:04 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer??????
>
>
>
>--- David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Please advise me on this: any know the hard
>> differentiating factors that would drive someone to
>> choose one or the other? In the old days ZCP was the
>> only way to go. Now I keep hearing about the ZPP -
>> and it is cheaper...
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Dave Downey
>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>> Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>
>
>I hope this does not become a debate like red or green
>Scotchbrite. Simply stated, there is no effective
>substitute for hexavalent chromium for corrosion
>protection of aircraft aluminum alloys. It is even
>"self healing" if scratched. Phosphates may be better
>for iron and steel. Having said that, 6061 is much
>more corrosion resistant itself than the more commonly
>used 2000-series alloys.
>
>The main downside to zinc-chromate is that it is
>toxic, both spray mist and sanding dust. Cost is
>almost identical at the suppliers I use, Aircraft
>spruce and a local marine supply store.
>
>Also, green is just yellow with a little carbon black
>added. The reason for that is that back in the 1930's,
>the Army wanted something eaisier on the eyes for
>exposed surfaces inside the aircraft. Yellow is
>generally used under paint. Green works just as well.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
airmap is jeppesen database which is easy to update. VOr headings, streemap if
you need it, very intuitive. i flew both and airmap has better service updates
I found.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe <joe@kfiz.com>
>Sent: Jun 5, 2007 11:32 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation
>
>
>Juan,
>
>I can't make up my mind about either the Lowrance 2000c or the Avmap. I like
>the big screen on the Avmap. Does the 2000c do more?
>
>I also love the Vista Nav but there aren't enough out there yet to know if
>they are dependable. I notived the price is really coming down on GPS units.
>E-bay has them NEW for much less than most dealers
>
>Joe in Oshkosh
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
the airmap i forgot comes with all the bells and whistles in one box, RAM mounts
for any position, antenna, lighter addaptor, etc. one price.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe <joe@kfiz.com>
>Sent: Jun 5, 2007 11:32 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation
>
>
>Juan,
>
>I can't make up my mind about either the Lowrance 2000c or the Avmap. I like
>the big screen on the Avmap. Does the 2000c do more?
>
>I also love the Vista Nav but there aren't enough out there yet to know if
>they are dependable. I notived the price is really coming down on GPS units.
>E-bay has them NEW for much less than most dealers
>
>Joe in Oshkosh
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? |
on the airmap, check pilot amll .com or call the owner Neil direct. Great customer
service, one on one withthe owner and he is good on pricing.
Pilotmall.com
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jimbo <jimandmandy@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jun 5, 2007 11:04 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer??????
>
>
>
>--- David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Please advise me on this: any know the hard
>> differentiating factors that would drive someone to
>> choose one or the other? In the old days ZCP was the
>> only way to go. Now I keep hearing about the ZPP -
>> and it is cheaper...
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Dave Downey
>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>> Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>
>
>I hope this does not become a debate like red or green
>Scotchbrite. Simply stated, there is no effective
>substitute for hexavalent chromium for corrosion
>protection of aircraft aluminum alloys. It is even
>"self healing" if scratched. Phosphates may be better
>for iron and steel. Having said that, 6061 is much
>more corrosion resistant itself than the more commonly
>used 2000-series alloys.
>
>The main downside to zinc-chromate is that it is
>toxic, both spray mist and sanding dust. Cost is
>almost identical at the suppliers I use, Aircraft
>spruce and a local marine supply store.
>
>Also, green is just yellow with a little carbon black
>added. The reason for that is that back in the 1930's,
>the Army wanted something eaisier on the eyes for
>exposed surfaces inside the aircraft. Yellow is
>generally used under paint. Green works just as well.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Sunlight and your GPS |
Members,
This is for all GPS navagators who have lost the GPS screen because
of excessive sunlight. I had the same problem and made a wrap arround
shade about 7 inches from the screen surface out of black cardboard and
this solved my problem by putting the screen back in the dark. It's a
simple fix that works.
Tracy Stone
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I tried that method several different ways and I could never be happy
wihtthe results, I also tried seeming plyers from Home Depot, same
result very dissapointing.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
HYPERLINK
"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: crimp pliers
Here's one plan I built : HYPERLINK
"http://www.vansairforce.org/tools/"http://www.vansairforce.org/tools/
No welding required.
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
On 05/06/07, HYPERLINK
"mailto:mudbuginc@netzero.net"mudbuginc@netzero.net <HYPERLINK
"mailto:mudbuginc@netzero.net"mudbuginc@netzero.net> wrote:
Mark
I seem to remember seeing instructions for making your crimp pliers
somewhere but I don't remember where. Can you tell me where to find them
or at least what size rods you used?
Lou Alvarez
Ladonia, TX
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?Zenith-List
"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com
2:38 PM
2:38 PM
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| Subject: | Re: crimp pliers |
The best I found and the only one I used after trying the others is the
homemade one in the 601 plans. And the price is right to boot! do not
archive
Aaron AW inspection tomorrow
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| Subject: | Sunlight and your GPS |
I'm using 3 inch wide silicon baffle seal to form a 2.25 inch lip over my
panel in place the normal shorter metal lip from the top forward skin.
Provides more shade for all those LCD displays and won't cut me open in a
crash. Question is blue, black or red? ;-)
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Sunlight and your GPS |
My forward top skin provides about 2.5" of sunshade over the panel but as you mentioned,
I'll have to edge it with a split tubing to avoid the samuri sword effect.
Dred
Do Not Archive
---- Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
> I'm using 3 inch wide silicon baffle seal to form a 2.25 inch lip over my
> panel in place the normal shorter metal lip from the top forward skin.
> Provides more shade for all those LCD displays and won't cut me open in a
> crash. Question is blue, black or red? ;-)
>
> -- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: crimp pliers |
I have to second that. I was amazed at how well the simple ZAC tool
worked for everthing on the XL. The compound curve on the wigtip was one
the scariest first attempts, but it came out perfect. Then my
over-confidence got me in trouble on the second one and I scraped one
L-angle before getting a good one. But, after doing others in the fuse,
wing lockers, etc., with no problem, I see no reason to invest time
and/or money for anything else Seems to me the secret is to tweak
gradually, back and forth so to speak, because you can always tweak
more, but when you tweak too much you might as well alocate the part to
the scrap pile - but I guess that probably would apply to any other
crimp tool as well. Although they say the guy with the most tools wins,
I'll have to concede as a looser in the crimping category.
Robin in AR
601XL, 90% done, 90% to go
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Gustafson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: crimp pliers
The best I found and the only one I used after trying the others is
the homemade one in the 601 plans. And the price is right to boot! do
not archive
Aaron AW inspection tomorrow
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| Subject: | Re: crimp pliers |
Just one observation: when you crimp too much, to some extent you can
"uncrimp".
In other words, you can reduce the amount of crimp.
I do that by carefully pressing the chosen crimp between two blocks of MDF
or by using a hand seamer
http://www.averytools.com/cart/p-37-hand-seamer.aspx
Happy building
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
On 05/06/07, Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:
>
> I have to second that. I was amazed at how well the simple ZAC tool
> worked for everthing on the XL. The compound curve on the wigtip was one the
> scariest first attempts, but it came out perfect. Then my over-confidence
> got me in trouble on the second one and I scraped one L-angle before getting
> a good one. But, after doing others in the fuse, wing lockers, etc., with no
> problem, I see no reason to invest time and/or money for anything else
> Seems to me the secret is to tweak gradually, back and forth so to speak,
> because you can always tweak more, but when you tweak too much you might as
> well alocate the part to the scrap pile - but I guess that probably would
> apply to any other crimp tool as well. Although they say the guy with the
> most tools wins, I'll have to concede as a looser in the crimping category.
>
> Robin in AR
> 601XL, 90% done, 90% to go
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
At 03:19 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
>And then what do you do in four or five years when you decide to get
>a newer and improved-er gps unit?
Get a new airplane to put it in, of course.
Paul
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: crimp pliers |
Good tip! Thanks!
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Sa
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: crimp pliers
Just one observation: when you crimp too much, to some extent you can
"uncrimp".
In other words, you can reduce the amount of crimp.
I do that by carefully pressing the chosen crimp between two blocks of
MDF or by using a hand seamer
http://www.averytools.com/cart/p-37-hand-seamer.aspx
Happy building
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
On 05/06/07, Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:
I have to second that. I was amazed at how well the simple ZAC tool
worked for everthing on the XL. The compound curve on the wigtip was one
the scariest first attempts, but it came out perfect. Then my
over-confidence got me in trouble on the second one and I scraped one
L-angle before getting a good one. But, after doing others in the fuse,
wing lockers, etc., with no problem, I see no reason to invest time
and/or money for anything else Seems to me the secret is to tweak
gradually, back and forth so to speak, because you can always tweak
more, but when you tweak too much you might as well alocate the part to
the scrap pile - but I guess that probably would apply to any other
crimp tool as well. Although they say the guy with the most tools wins,
I'll have to concede as a looser in the crimping category.
Robin in AR
601XL, 90% done, 90% to go
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| Subject: | Sunlight and your GPS |
I, too, will have a generous overhang, but I ordered the rubber edging from ZAC
that was made for the 801. Looks good.
Jay in Dallas
<dredmoody@cox.net> wrote:
>
>My forward top skin provides about 2.5" of sunshade over the panel but as you
mentioned, I'll have to edge it with a split tubing to avoid the samuri sword
effect.
>
>Dred
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
A young and arrogant pilot wanted to "show off" on the
aviation frequencies as he was approaching an airfield
during the night.=C2- So, he disregarded policy and, instead
of making an official request to the tower, he said,
"Guess who?"
=C2-
The air traffic controller switched the field lights off
and replied, "Guess where?"=C2-
do not archive=C2-
=C2-
============C2-
============C2-
============C2-
=C2-
=C2-
________________________________________________________________________
AOL at AOL.com.
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| Subject: | for CH701 Builders Only... |
The next in the series of CH701 build DVD videos from HomebuiltHELP has
just been released this evening:
Horizontal Tail
Details available at: http://homebuilthelp.com/CH701HorizontalTail.htm
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Empty weights |
734 - Rotax 912ULS. Basic VFR night, extended tanks, all the paint.
--------
Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116812#116812
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| Subject: | Re: Factory Support |
Hi Listers:
This is how I get answers to questions from Zenith. Make
initial contact by phone, some times this takes several tries as Zenith does not
have voice mail, they prefer the personal touch. Depending on my question I
ask for either Caleb or Sebastien. Either of them can speak to technical
needs. I usually follow up with email. For workshops, ordering or delivery
questions either of the ladies in the office can take care of you. Can Zac is
also
a great source for technical answers.
Regards, John Read
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| Subject: | Re: Factory Support |
Good advice.
John Read
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| Subject: | Re: 801 take off and landing distance with and without slats |
Please define "smoking rivets" I am sure I am not the only person who has
not heard the term before.
John Read
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| Subject: | Re: Factory Support |
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
OK, I have one.
An attractive young lady was visiting the control tower of a small airfield,
when a very forward young controller asked her if she liked airplanes. She
said yes, but admitted she didn't know much about them.
"I have my own plane" he said braggingly.
She: "Oh really, what kind"
He: "See that very large plane over there"
She: "Yes"
"Well that's just a C130, I have a C150"
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Plans building.
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