---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/05/07: 56 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:20 AM - Re: Factory Support (Flydog1966@aol.com) 2. 04:38 AM - New to list (vann covington) 3. 05:05 AM - Re: New to list (ZodieRocket) 4. 05:26 AM - Re: Factory Support (Juan Vega) 5. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: GPS Recommendation (Juan Vega) 6. 07:29 AM - Re: Factory Support (Jeff Davidson) 7. 07:31 AM - Re: Factory Support (Charles Wacker) 8. 07:38 AM - Apollo AP400 Spraymate (Ron D Leclerc) 9. 08:05 AM - Re: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? (Jimbo) 10. 08:13 AM - Re: GPS Recommendation (bob west) 11. 08:34 AM - GPS Recommendation (Joe) 12. 08:43 AM - Re: Factory Support (Art Gibeaut) 13. 09:11 AM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Robin Bellach) 14. 09:22 AM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Craig Payne) 15. 09:47 AM - 2007 Valdez May Day Fly-In Results? (Keystone Engineering LLC) 16. 09:52 AM - Re: GPS Recommendation () 17. 10:06 AM - 801 take off and landing distance with and without slats (Keystone Engineering LLC) 18. 10:13 AM - Re: Factory Support (MacDonald Doug) 19. 11:07 AM - Re: 801 take off and landing distance with and without slats (MacDonald Doug) 20. 11:41 AM - Re Smoking Rivets (Zed Smith) 21. 11:50 AM - Re: GPS Recommendation (japhillipsga@aol.com) 22. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: GPS Recommendation (Dan Lykowski) 23. 01:34 PM - Re: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? (David Downey) 24. 02:08 PM - crimp pliers (mudbuginc@netzero.net) 25. 02:24 PM - Re: crimp pliers (Carlos Sa) 26. 03:05 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Gig Giacona) 27. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: GPS Recommendation () 28. 03:30 PM - Re: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? (Juan Vega) 29. 03:35 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Juan Vega) 30. 03:35 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Juan Vega) 31. 03:39 PM - Re: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? (Juan Vega) 32. 04:23 PM - Sunlight and your GPS (robert stone) 33. 04:33 PM - Re: crimp pliers (ZodieRocket) 34. 04:41 PM - Re: crimp pliers (Aaron Gustafson) 35. 04:48 PM - Re: Sunlight and your GPS (Craig Payne) 36. 04:55 PM - Re: Sunlight and your GPS () 37. 05:30 PM - Re: crimp pliers (Robin Bellach) 38. 06:03 PM - Re: crimp pliers (Carlos Sa) 39. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: GPS Recommendation (Paul Mulwitz) 40. 06:55 PM - Re: crimp pliers (Robin Bellach) 41. 07:02 PM - Re: Sunlight and your GPS (Jaybannist@cs.com) 42. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day (nyterminat@aol.com) 43. 07:11 PM - for CH701 Builders Only... (Jon Croke) 44. 08:40 PM - Re: 601XL Empty weights (David X) 45. 09:16 PM - Re: Factory Support (JohnDRead@aol.com) 46. 09:18 PM - Re: Factory Support (JohnDRead@aol.com) 47. 09:33 PM - Re: 801 take off and landing distance with and without slats (JohnDRead@aol.com) 48. 10:54 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com) 49. 10:54 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com) 50. 10:54 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com) 51. 10:54 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com) 52. 10:54 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com) 53. 10:54 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com) 54. 10:54 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com) 55. 10:55 PM - Re: Factory Support (LILESCHELL@aol.com) 56. 11:40 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day (kevinbonds) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:14 AM PST US From: Flydog1966@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support In a message dated 6/3/2007 3:36:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rstone4@hot.rr.com writes: I have seen a good many posts that claim good factory support. I would like to know what the secret is since I have sent three questions to Zenith and have yet to receive an answer to any of them. Yeah,that reminds me, I sent them a question a month ago, and still have not heard from them ! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:42 AM PST US From: vann covington Subject: Zenith-List: New to list I am new to the list. Just bought a 2006 701 partially completed kit about 70% done. I am interested in contacting anyone owning or building in my area of Raleigh, NC or within 100 miles. Thanks, Vann --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:43 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New to list Vann make sure you contact Zenith and fill out the change of ownership forms. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vann covington Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: Zenith-List: New to list I am new to the list. Just bought a 2006 701 partially completed kit about 70% done. I am interested in contacting anyone owning or building in my area of Raleigh, NC or within 100 miles. Thanks, Vann _____ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. HYPERLINK "http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48224/*http:/sims.yahoo.com/"Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 6:43 PM 6:43 PM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:37 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support pick up the phone and call, I know its hard to do, but give it the old college try. -----Original Message----- >From: Flydog1966@aol.com >Sent: Jun 5, 2007 3:19 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support > > >In a message dated 6/3/2007 3:36:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >rstone4@hot.rr.com writes: > >I have seen a good many posts that claim good factory support. I would like >to know what the secret is since I have sent three questions to Zenith and >have yet to receive an answer to any of them. > > >Yeah,that reminds me, I sent them a question a month ago, and still have not >heard from them ! > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:02 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation Airmap 2000 hooks up nicely to the Dynon 10 and 100. -----Original Message----- >From: Ron Lendon >Sent: Jun 4, 2007 11:41 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation > > >Picked up the Lowrance 2000c at SnF 2007 for $709 + tax. I have flown it and lovit. Plan on hooking it up to an autopilot. > >-------- >Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI >Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) >http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116573#116573 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:07 AM PST US From: Jeff Davidson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support Try putting your name and builder's number in the subject line of any email you send to ZAC. Jeff D. do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:59 AM PST US From: "Charles Wacker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support Email response from Zenith is not very good. Pick uo the phone and call and you will be very happy with their support. Chuck Wacker N601CW, Quick Build >From: Flydog1966@aol.com >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:19:04 EDT > > >In a message dated 6/3/2007 3:36:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >rstone4@hot.rr.com writes: > >I have seen a good many posts that claim good factory support. I would >like >to know what the secret is since I have sent three questions to Zenith and >have yet to receive an answer to any of them. > > >Yeah,that reminds me, I sent them a question a month ago, and still have >not >heard from them ! > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:13 AM PST US From: Ron D Leclerc Subject: Zenith-List: Apollo AP400 Spraymate Has anyone heard of the - Apollo AP400 Spraymate HVLP paint sprayer. They are in the UK .... http://www.axminster.co.uk/product-Apollo-AP400-Spraymate-21218.htm Trying to locate a supplier or distributor in N.A.... Ron ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:19 AM PST US From: Jimbo Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? --- David Downey wrote: > Please advise me on this: any know the hard > differentiating factors that would drive someone to > choose one or the other? In the old days ZCP was the > only way to go. Now I keep hearing about the ZPP - > and it is cheaper... > > Thanks. > > > Dave Downey > Harleysville (SE) PA > Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? > > > > --------------------------------- I hope this does not become a debate like red or green Scotchbrite. Simply stated, there is no effective substitute for hexavalent chromium for corrosion protection of aircraft aluminum alloys. It is even "self healing" if scratched. Phosphates may be better for iron and steel. Having said that, 6061 is much more corrosion resistant itself than the more commonly used 2000-series alloys. The main downside to zinc-chromate is that it is toxic, both spray mist and sanding dust. Cost is almost identical at the suppliers I use, Aircraft spruce and a local marine supply store. Also, green is just yellow with a little carbon black added. The reason for that is that back in the 1930's, the Army wanted something eaisier on the eyes for exposed surfaces inside the aircraft. Yellow is generally used under paint. Green works just as well. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:43 AM PST US From: bob west Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation Ken, I went with Lowrance. Your list includes all good products. I spent about a week learning how to use mine, instead of watching TV. The simulator mode is great, you can fly anywhere/anytime and try out all the great inovations before you even get into the aircraft. But check with Aircraft Spruce last, they will beat anyprice that you find. I just called and told them that I could get a better price at "xyz" and the lowered their price. Bob West 701 Ken Arnold wrote: Dear Listers, I am ready to order a GPS for my CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I have reduced the affordable units to three: - Garmin GPS 296 $1,495 - Lowrance 200C $999 - AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495 Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please indicate your experience. Regards, Ken Arnold N701LK 75% do not archive --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:23 AM PST US From: "Joe" Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation Juan, I can't make up my mind about either the Lowrance 2000c or the Avmap. I like the big screen on the Avmap. Does the 2000c do more? I also love the Vista Nav but there aren't enough out there yet to know if they are dependable. I notived the price is really coming down on GPS units. E-bay has them NEW for much less than most dealers Joe in Oshkosh ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:18 AM PST US From: Art Gibeaut Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support Chuck is right. I just now caled the factory on a question and got Caleb right away, got the answer and was off the phone in about a minute. I think they get overwhelmed with Emails, so just call. It works. Art Gibeaut CH701 Components Do not archive --- Charles Wacker wrote: > > > Email response from Zenith is not very good. Pick uo > the phone and call and > you will be very happy with their support. > > Chuck Wacker > N601CW, Quick Build > > > >From: Flydog1966@aol.com > >To: zenith-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support > >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:19:04 EDT > > > > > >In a message dated 6/3/2007 3:36:41 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > >rstone4@hot.rr.com writes: > > > >I have seen a good many posts that claim good > factory support. I would > >like > >to know what the secret is since I have sent three > questions to Zenith and > >have yet to receive an answer to any of them. > > > > > >Yeah,that reminds me, I sent them a question a > month ago, and still have > >not > >heard from them ! > > > > > > > >************************************** See what's > free at > >http://www.aol.com. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this > summer - only on MSN > http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:24 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation I've been planning on a 2000C, much because I thought it's 5" screen was the largest available without spending considerably more. How big is the Avmap screen? DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation > > Juan, > > I can't make up my mind about either the Lowrance 2000c or the Avmap. I > like the big screen on the Avmap. Does the 2000c do more? ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:16 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation No mater what you buy don't forget the Air Gizmos docks for a slick installation (iPods too!): www.airgizmos.com -- Craig ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:10 AM PST US From: Keystone Engineering LLC Subject: Zenith-List: 2007 Valdez May Day Fly-In Results? Scott I am embarrassed! I got bit by the rules committee at the fly-in and did not really complete. I did not think anyone noticed. They left the distance markings on the tarmac so I will go out one of these evenings and measure my landing and take off distance with and without slats like I wanted to. They brought up a "carbon cub" this year. Every non-structural piece was made out of carbon fiber. It was light and had a 220 hp IO-360 engine. It got off in less than the length of it's fuselage. I don't remember the exact number but it was 17' or so. Can you imagine a cub taking off in 21' and getting second place? Bill Wilcox Valdez, AK N801BW 307 hrs Did any Zenith's compete in this years competition? I saw Bill Wilcox took first :) in last years competition... -Scott ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:37 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation One under-appreciated feature of the gps docking gizmo is that it takes away the option of manuvering the screen to whatever position/angle suits you best at a given moment. That positiion and angle are subject to change on different flights. A RAM mount arm is much more versatile and if/when you change to a different/newer unit you are not going to be SOL with the old docking station. Also, the RAM mounting arms come in at least three different lengths to sut your desires. It's worth thinking about. Dred ---- Craig Payne wrote: > > No mater what you buy don't forget the Air Gizmos docks for a slick > installation (iPods too!): > > www.airgizmos.com > > -- Craig ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:24 AM PST US From: Keystone Engineering LLC Subject: Zenith-List: 801 take off and landing distance with and without slats Hi I finally got around to measuring my take off and landing lengths with and without slats. Conditions: Temp 54 F DP 52 F Alt 29.78 Wind 5-7 MPH headwind Weight 1690 lbs Lycoming O-360 burning super unleaded 82" long 40" pitch prop I got 4 tries: With slats and VGs feathers Take off Landing 165' 290 150 290 165 270 175 270 Average 164 280 No slats just VGs feathers 220 320 200 258 190 285 220 310 Average 207 293 If I can convince my wife that flying without slats is OK, my slats are for sale. Bill Wilcox N801BW 308 hrs Valdez, AK USA Changing back to cruise prop and moving my VG on the tail. What does anyone know about smoking rivets? ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:43 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support I can't really comment on the e-mail/phone support from the factory since I have only ever dealt with them when I picked up my landing gear kit. Roger was an excellent host and a big help when I showed up unannounced late on a Friday Afternoon last Fall. I can, however, comment on the excellent service I have received from Mark Townsend and David Barth from CAN-ZAC. Although it means I'm not buying much directly from them, Mark and David have both encouraged me to scratch build my CH-701. They are always quick to reply to both my e-mails and to my phone calls. If they don't know the answer (rarely happens) they find out for me quickly. I cannot ask for better customer service. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada do not archive --- Art Gibeaut wrote: > > > Chuck is right. I just now caled the factory on a > question and got Caleb right away, got the answer > and > was off the phone in about a minute. I think they > get > overwhelmed with Emails, so just call. It works. > > Art Gibeaut > CH701 Components > > Do not archive Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:19 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 take off and landing distance with and without slats > What does anyone know about smoking rivets? > > Simple, a smoking rivet is loose and needs to be replaced. The "Smoke" is powdered aluminum being chewed out of the rivet/sheet joint. Try just replacing the rivet. If you have no further problems, great. If it starts to smoke again, try up-sizing the rivet. As always, be sure to consult the AC43-13 since it is the Bible when it comes to such things. Doug MacDOnald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada Do not Archive Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:48 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Re Smoking Rivets do not archive Had a neighbor once who smoked lots of stuff....maybe even rivets. He said he didn't inhale. Regards, Zed again, do not archive!! ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation From: japhillipsga@aol.com I agreed with Ed.=C2- The sun really beats into the canopy on the 601s and even with the brightest screen you can lose viewing. With the ability to di lt and twist the GPS I can usually overcome the problem, Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: dredmoody@cox.net Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:52 pm Subject: RE: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation One under-appreciated feature of the gps docking gizmo is that it takes away the ption of manuvering the screen to whatever position/angle suits you best at a iven moment. That positiion and angle are subject to change on different lights. A RAM mount arm is much more versatile and if/when you change to a ifferent/newer unit you are not going to be SOL with the old docking station . lso, the RAM mounting arms come in at least three different lengths to sut y our esires. It's worth thinking about. Dred ---- Craig Payne wrote: No mater what you buy don't forget the Air Gizmos docks for a slick installation (iPods too!): www.airgizmos.com -- Craig -= - The Zenith-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as the Subscriptions page, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List -======================== -= - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content now also available via the Web Forums! -= --> http://forums.matronics.com -======================== ________________________________________________________________________ AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:38 PM PST US From: Dan Lykowski Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation Just a note on this. In the currently released Dynon firmware, a bug disables the course selection on the HSI when connected to Lowrance GPS units. The fix will be in the next firmware release. (Soon). Dan Lykowski Dynon Avionics ----- Original Message ---- From: Juan Vega Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2007 5:27:46 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation Airmap 2000 hooks up nicely to the Dynon 10 and 100. -----Original Message----- >From: Ron Lendon >Sent: Jun 4, 2007 11:41 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation > > >Picked up the Lowrance 2000c at SnF 2007 for $709 + tax. I have flown it and lovit. Plan on hooking it up to an autopilot. > >-------- >Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI >Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) >http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116573#116573 > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:38 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? thanks to everyone who has input on this. do not archive Jimbo wrote: --- David Downey wrote: > Please advise me on this: any know the hard > differentiating factors that would drive someone to > choose one or the other? In the old days ZCP was the > only way to go. Now I keep hearing about the ZPP - > and it is cheaper... > > Thanks. > > > Dave Downey > Harleysville (SE) PA > Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? > > > > --------------------------------- I hope this does not become a debate like red or green Scotchbrite. Simply stated, there is no effective substitute for hexavalent chromium for corrosion protection of aircraft aluminum alloys. It is even "self healing" if scratched. Phosphates may be better for iron and steel. Having said that, 6061 is much more corrosion resistant itself than the more commonly used 2000-series alloys. The main downside to zinc-chromate is that it is toxic, both spray mist and sanding dust. Cost is almost identical at the suppliers I use, Aircraft spruce and a local marine supply store. Also, green is just yellow with a little carbon black added. The reason for that is that back in the 1930's, the Army wanted something eaisier on the eyes for exposed surfaces inside the aircraft. Yellow is generally used under paint. Green works just as well. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:01 PM PST US From: "mudbuginc@netzero.net" Subject: Zenith-List: crimp pliers Mark I seem to remember seeing instructions for making your crimp pliers some where but I don't remember where. Can you tell me where to find them or at least what size rods you used? Lou Alvarez Ladonia, TX

Mark

I seem to remember seeing instructions for making your crimp pliers s omewhere but I don't remember where. Can you tell me where to find them or at least what size rods you used?

Lou Alvarez
Ladonia, TX
________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:47 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: crimp pliers Here's one plan I built : http://www.vansairforce.org/tools/ No welding required. Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada On 05/06/07, mudbuginc@netzero.net wrote: > > Mark > > I seem to remember seeing instructions for making your crimp pliers > somewhere but I don't remember where. Can you tell me where to find them or > at least what size rods you used? > > Lou Alvarez > Ladonia, TX > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:15 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation From: "Gig Giacona" They've come up with a fix for that Dred. They have bot horizontal and vertical angle thingys. http://www.airgizmos.com/products.asp dredmoody(at)cox.net wrote: > One under-appreciated feature of the gps docking gizmo is that it takes away the option of manuvering the screen to whatever position/angle suits you best at a given moment. That positiion and angle are subject to change on different flights. A RAM mount arm is much more versatile and if/when you change to a different/newer unit you are not going to be SOL with the old docking station. Also, the RAM mounting arms come in at least three different lengths to sut your desires. It's worth thinking about. > > Dred > > ---- Craig Payne wrote: > > > > > > > No mater what you buy don't forget the Air Gizmos docks for a slick > > installation (iPods too!): > > > > www.airgizmos.com > > > > -- Craig > > > > > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116726#116726 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:33 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation Did Isend you a photo of my panel? I don't think a panel dock could posssibly offer the range of positions and angles that a RAM mount system can provide (I could be wrong of course.... it has happened before). And then what do you do in four or five years when you decide to get a newer and improved-er gps unit? Remove the old panel dock and buy and install a new one when you could just swap the RAM ball over to the new unit? Don'y gry mr wrong here, I do think they look very professional and mucho tidy but the objections I just described are deal killers for me. Dred PS: How's your plane coming along? I just started rivetting the forward side skins, main gear mounts etc. The end of the building saga sure seems to be a long way off still. ---- Gig Giacona wrote: > > They've come up with a fix for that Dred. > They have bot horizontal and vertical angle thingys. > > http://www.airgizmos.com/products.asp ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:49 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? check the archives, -----Original Message----- >From: Jimbo >Sent: Jun 5, 2007 11:04 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? > > > >--- David Downey wrote: > >> Please advise me on this: any know the hard >> differentiating factors that would drive someone to >> choose one or the other? In the old days ZCP was the >> only way to go. Now I keep hearing about the ZPP - >> and it is cheaper... >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> Dave Downey >> Harleysville (SE) PA >> Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- > > >I hope this does not become a debate like red or green >Scotchbrite. Simply stated, there is no effective >substitute for hexavalent chromium for corrosion >protection of aircraft aluminum alloys. It is even >"self healing" if scratched. Phosphates may be better >for iron and steel. Having said that, 6061 is much >more corrosion resistant itself than the more commonly >used 2000-series alloys. > >The main downside to zinc-chromate is that it is >toxic, both spray mist and sanding dust. Cost is >almost identical at the suppliers I use, Aircraft >spruce and a local marine supply store. > >Also, green is just yellow with a little carbon black >added. The reason for that is that back in the 1930's, >the Army wanted something eaisier on the eyes for >exposed surfaces inside the aircraft. Yellow is >generally used under paint. Green works just as well. > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:44 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation airmap is jeppesen database which is easy to update. VOr headings, streemap if you need it, very intuitive. i flew both and airmap has better service updates I found. -----Original Message----- >From: Joe >Sent: Jun 5, 2007 11:32 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation > > >Juan, > >I can't make up my mind about either the Lowrance 2000c or the Avmap. I like >the big screen on the Avmap. Does the 2000c do more? > >I also love the Vista Nav but there aren't enough out there yet to know if >they are dependable. I notived the price is really coming down on GPS units. >E-bay has them NEW for much less than most dealers > >Joe in Oshkosh > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:44 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation the airmap i forgot comes with all the bells and whistles in one box, RAM mounts for any position, antenna, lighter addaptor, etc. one price. -----Original Message----- >From: Joe >Sent: Jun 5, 2007 11:32 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation > > >Juan, > >I can't make up my mind about either the Lowrance 2000c or the Avmap. I like >the big screen on the Avmap. Does the 2000c do more? > >I also love the Vista Nav but there aren't enough out there yet to know if >they are dependable. I notived the price is really coming down on GPS units. >E-bay has them NEW for much less than most dealers > >Joe in Oshkosh > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:19 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? on the airmap, check pilot amll .com or call the owner Neil direct. Great customer service, one on one withthe owner and he is good on pricing. Pilotmall.com -----Original Message----- >From: Jimbo >Sent: Jun 5, 2007 11:04 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zinc chromate vs zinc phosphate primer?????? > > > >--- David Downey wrote: > >> Please advise me on this: any know the hard >> differentiating factors that would drive someone to >> choose one or the other? In the old days ZCP was the >> only way to go. Now I keep hearing about the ZPP - >> and it is cheaper... >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> Dave Downey >> Harleysville (SE) PA >> Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- > > >I hope this does not become a debate like red or green >Scotchbrite. Simply stated, there is no effective >substitute for hexavalent chromium for corrosion >protection of aircraft aluminum alloys. It is even >"self healing" if scratched. Phosphates may be better >for iron and steel. Having said that, 6061 is much >more corrosion resistant itself than the more commonly >used 2000-series alloys. > >The main downside to zinc-chromate is that it is >toxic, both spray mist and sanding dust. Cost is >almost identical at the suppliers I use, Aircraft >spruce and a local marine supply store. > >Also, green is just yellow with a little carbon black >added. The reason for that is that back in the 1930's, >the Army wanted something eaisier on the eyes for >exposed surfaces inside the aircraft. Yellow is >generally used under paint. Green works just as well. > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:58 PM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Zenith-List: Sunlight and your GPS Members, This is for all GPS navagators who have lost the GPS screen because of excessive sunlight. I had the same problem and made a wrap arround shade about 7 inches from the screen surface out of black cardboard and this solved my problem by putting the screen back in the dark. It's a simple fix that works. Tracy Stone ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:35 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: crimp pliers I tried that method several different ways and I could never be happy wihtthe results, I also tried seeming plyers from Home Depot, same result very dissapointing. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:24 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: crimp pliers Here's one plan I built : HYPERLINK "http://www.vansairforce.org/tools/"http://www.vansairforce.org/tools/ No welding required. Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada On 05/06/07, HYPERLINK "mailto:mudbuginc@netzero.net"mudbuginc@netzero.net wrote: Mark I seem to remember seeing instructions for making your crimp pliers somewhere but I don't remember where. Can you tell me where to find them or at least what size rods you used? Lou Alvarez Ladonia, TX "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 2:38 PM 2:38 PM ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:59 PM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: crimp pliers The best I found and the only one I used after trying the others is the homemade one in the 601 plans. And the price is right to boot! do not archive Aaron AW inspection tomorrow ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:47 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sunlight and your GPS I'm using 3 inch wide silicon baffle seal to form a 2.25 inch lip over my panel in place the normal shorter metal lip from the top forward skin. Provides more shade for all those LCD displays and won't cut me open in a crash. Question is blue, black or red? ;-) -- Craig ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:38 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sunlight and your GPS My forward top skin provides about 2.5" of sunshade over the panel but as you mentioned, I'll have to edge it with a split tubing to avoid the samuri sword effect. Dred Do Not Archive ---- Craig Payne wrote: > I'm using 3 inch wide silicon baffle seal to form a 2.25 inch lip over my > panel in place the normal shorter metal lip from the top forward skin. > Provides more shade for all those LCD displays and won't cut me open in a > crash. Question is blue, black or red? ;-) > > -- Craig ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:57 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: crimp pliers I have to second that. I was amazed at how well the simple ZAC tool worked for everthing on the XL. The compound curve on the wigtip was one the scariest first attempts, but it came out perfect. Then my over-confidence got me in trouble on the second one and I scraped one L-angle before getting a good one. But, after doing others in the fuse, wing lockers, etc., with no problem, I see no reason to invest time and/or money for anything else Seems to me the secret is to tweak gradually, back and forth so to speak, because you can always tweak more, but when you tweak too much you might as well alocate the part to the scrap pile - but I guess that probably would apply to any other crimp tool as well. Although they say the guy with the most tools wins, I'll have to concede as a looser in the crimping category. Robin in AR 601XL, 90% done, 90% to go ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron Gustafson To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: crimp pliers The best I found and the only one I used after trying the others is the homemade one in the 601 plans. And the price is right to boot! do not archive Aaron AW inspection tomorrow ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:12 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: crimp pliers Just one observation: when you crimp too much, to some extent you can "uncrimp". In other words, you can reduce the amount of crimp. I do that by carefully pressing the chosen crimp between two blocks of MDF or by using a hand seamer http://www.averytools.com/cart/p-37-hand-seamer.aspx Happy building Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada On 05/06/07, Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote: > > I have to second that. I was amazed at how well the simple ZAC tool > worked for everthing on the XL. The compound curve on the wigtip was one the > scariest first attempts, but it came out perfect. Then my over-confidence > got me in trouble on the second one and I scraped one L-angle before getting > a good one. But, after doing others in the fuse, wing lockers, etc., with no > problem, I see no reason to invest time and/or money for anything else > Seems to me the secret is to tweak gradually, back and forth so to speak, > because you can always tweak more, but when you tweak too much you might as > well alocate the part to the scrap pile - but I guess that probably would > apply to any other crimp tool as well. Although they say the guy with the > most tools wins, I'll have to concede as a looser in the crimping category. > > Robin in AR > 601XL, 90% done, 90% to go > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:45 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation At 03:19 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote: >And then what do you do in four or five years when you decide to get >a newer and improved-er gps unit? Get a new airplane to put it in, of course. Paul do not archive ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:38 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: crimp pliers Good tip! Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:02 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: crimp pliers Just one observation: when you crimp too much, to some extent you can "uncrimp". In other words, you can reduce the amount of crimp. I do that by carefully pressing the chosen crimp between two blocks of MDF or by using a hand seamer http://www.averytools.com/cart/p-37-hand-seamer.aspx Happy building Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada On 05/06/07, Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote: I have to second that. I was amazed at how well the simple ZAC tool worked for everthing on the XL. The compound curve on the wigtip was one the scariest first attempts, but it came out perfect. Then my over-confidence got me in trouble on the second one and I scraped one L-angle before getting a good one. But, after doing others in the fuse, wing lockers, etc., with no problem, I see no reason to invest time and/or money for anything else Seems to me the secret is to tweak gradually, back and forth so to speak, because you can always tweak more, but when you tweak too much you might as well alocate the part to the scrap pile - but I guess that probably would apply to any other crimp tool as well. Although they say the guy with the most tools wins, I'll have to concede as a looser in the crimping category. Robin in AR 601XL, 90% done, 90% to go ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:46 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sunlight and your GPS I, too, will have a generous overhang, but I ordered the rubber edging from ZAC that was made for the 801. Looks good. Jay in Dallas wrote: > >My forward top skin provides about 2.5" of sunshade over the panel but as you mentioned, I'll have to edge it with a split tubing to avoid the samuri sword effect. > >Dred ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day From: nyterminat@aol.com A young and arrogant pilot wanted to "show off" on the aviation frequencies as he was approaching an airfield during the night.=C2- So, he disregarded policy and, instead of making an official request to the tower, he said, "Guess who?" =C2- The air traffic controller switched the field lights off and replied, "Guess where?"=C2- do not archive=C2- =C2- ============C2- ============C2- ============C2- =C2- =C2- ________________________________________________________________________ AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:23 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: for CH701 Builders Only... The next in the series of CH701 build DVD videos from HomebuiltHELP has just been released this evening: Horizontal Tail Details available at: http://homebuilthelp.com/CH701HorizontalTail.htm ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:01 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Empty weights From: "David X" 734 - Rotax 912ULS. Basic VFR night, extended tanks, all the paint. -------- Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116812#116812 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:38 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support Hi Listers: This is how I get answers to questions from Zenith. Make initial contact by phone, some times this takes several tries as Zenith does not have voice mail, they prefer the personal touch. Depending on my question I ask for either Caleb or Sebastien. Either of them can speak to technical needs. I usually follow up with email. For workshops, ordering or delivery questions either of the ladies in the office can take care of you. Can Zac is also a great source for technical answers. Regards, John Read ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:51 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support Good advice. John Read ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:16 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 take off and landing distance with and without slats Please define "smoking rivets" I am sure I am not the only person who has not heard the term before. John Read ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:44 PM PST US From: LILESCHELL@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:44 PM PST US From: LILESCHELL@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:44 PM PST US From: LILESCHELL@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:44 PM PST US From: LILESCHELL@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:44 PM PST US From: LILESCHELL@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:52 PM PST US From: LILESCHELL@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:59 PM PST US From: LILESCHELL@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:18 PM PST US From: LILESCHELL@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Factory Support ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:14 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day OK, I have one. An attractive young lady was visiting the control tower of a small airfield, when a very forward young controller asked her if she liked airplanes. She said yes, but admitted she didn't know much about them. "I have my own plane" he said braggingly. She: "Oh really, what kind" He: "See that very large plane over there" She: "Yes" "Well that's just a C130, I have a C150" Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Plans building. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.