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1. 02:33 AM - Prop Selection (Again!) (secatur)
2. 04:31 AM - Re: crimp pliers (Mitch Hodges)
3. 05:34 AM - Re: Re: joke for the day (Juan Vega)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: Prop Selection (Again!) (Southern Reflections)
5. 06:51 AM - Re: Apollo AP400 Spraymate (Paul Mulwitz)
6. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: joke for the day (LRM)
7. 07:42 AM - Re: 801 take off and landing distance with and without slats (Bob & Karen Risch)
8. 08:29 AM - Re: Re: joke for the day (David Mikesell)
9. 09:18 AM - Re: joke for the day (rickpitcher)
10. 09:31 AM - Re: Sunlight and your GPS (Tim Juhl)
11. 09:42 AM - Hand punch (MaxNr@aol.com)
12. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: joke for the day (kevinbonds)
13. 10:01 AM - Re: Hand punch (John Bolding)
14. 10:14 AM - Re: Hand punch (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
15. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: joke for the day (LRM)
16. 10:31 AM - Re: Hand punch (Craig Payne)
17. 10:39 AM - Re: Hand punch (Craig Payne)
18. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: GPS Recommendation (japhillipsga@aol.com)
19. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: joke for the day (Robin Bellach)
20. 11:01 AM - Re: joke for the day (rickpitcher)
21. 11:22 AM - Official Zenith Note (zodierocket@hsfx.ca)
22. 01:42 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Ken Arnold)
23. 03:00 PM - Jabiru Engine Seminar (Pete Krotje)
24. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day (robert stone)
25. 03:52 PM - Re: Cockpit heat (Ron Ellis)
26. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day (Southern Reflections)
27. 04:40 PM - Re: Chat (leinad)
28. 04:55 PM - Subaru owners (LarryMcFarland)
29. 04:58 PM - N618PZ (videoflyer@aol.com)
30. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Re: joke for the day ()
31. 05:17 PM - Re:Hand punch (MaxNr@aol.com)
32. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day (Clyde Barcus)
33. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day (Michael Valentine)
34. 06:54 PM - 701 Gross Weight (Damien and Kathy)
35. 07:31 PM - Re: Official Zenith Note (hansriet)
36. 07:39 PM - Re: 701 Gross Weight (Brad Larson)
37. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day (LRM)
38. 09:18 PM - Re: 701 Gross Weight (MacDonald Doug)
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| Subject: | Prop Selection (Again!) |
Hi Group. If there is anyone here with experience on EA81 prop selection, I would
be most grateful for your input.
The aircraft is a Zenith 701 (under construction)
The engine is a Subaru EA81T with fuel injection but minus turbo. With mods (intake,cam
etc) should produce about 95+hp.
Max revs should be about 5600
The engine was originally in a Gyro (rebuilt now) and had a 72 Warp Drive 3 blade
on a modified hub giving 76 actual.
And a Rotax C gearbox 2.62:1 ratio
The problem is that I only have adequate clearance for a 68 prop (with 8 ground
clearance)
I wish to maintain the STOL performance of the aircraft at all cost !
Is there a prop solution ? Or is a change of gearbox/ratio required ?
Is there a way to calculate the best prop section/pitch/diameter for this aircraft
?
What would be the optimum gearbox ratio if a change is neccessary ?
Thanks again,
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: crimp pliers |
I've been very satisfied with a pair of fluting pliers I bought from Aircraft Spruce,
and the price is right at $15. Mind you, I didn't have to pay shipping
since I live within driving distance of them in Atlanta so I don't know what
that adds to the price.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/pliers.php
Mitch Hodges
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Wings Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
blonde lady gets pulled over for speeding by a blonde female police officer. The
blonde officer asks for the lady's license. Blonde lady asks " what does a
license look like?"
Blonde officer replies its the square thing with your picture on it.
Blonde lady pulls out a square make up mirrror, in see her own reflection , and
hands it to the blonde officer waiting impatiently.
Cop looks at it and says " Oh, hear is your license back, you can go now, i did'nt
know you were an police officer."
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: kevinbonds <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>Sent: Jun 6, 2007 2:38 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
>
>OK, I have one.
>
>
>
>An attractive young lady was visiting the control tower of a small airfield,
>when a very forward young controller asked her if she liked airplanes. She
>said yes, but admitted she didn't know much about them.
>
>
>
>"I have my own plane" he said braggingly.
>
>She: "Oh really, what kind"
>
>He: "See that very large plane over there"
>
>She: "Yes"
>
>"Well that's just a C130, I have a C150"
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>Kevin Bonds
>
>Nashville TN
>
>601XL Plans building.
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> <http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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>do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Selection (Again!) |
Conact Lonni Prince -P tip props... He'll be glad to tell you what you need.
For my money they are the very best climb and cruise all in one I haveone
and I can't say enough good about Lonnie,the company,the product, and most
of all the service before and after the sale The prop does every thing I'ts
made to do, No B.S. Joe N101HD 601 XL
----- Original Message -----
From: "secatur" <appraise1@bigpond.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:32 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Prop Selection (Again!)
>
> Hi Group. If there is anyone here with experience on EA81 prop selection,
> I would be most grateful for your input.
>
> The aircraft is a Zenith 701 (under construction)
>
> The engine is a Subaru EA81T with fuel injection but minus turbo. With
> mods (intake,cam etc) should produce about 95+hp.
> Max revs should be about 5600
>
> The engine was originally in a Gyro (rebuilt now) and had a 72? Warp
> Drive 3 blade on a modified hub giving 76? actual.
> And a Rotax ?oC? gearbox 2.62:1 ratio
>
> The problem is that I only have adequate clearance for a 68? prop (with
> 8? ground clearance)
>
> I wish to maintain the STOL performance of the aircraft at all cost !
>
> Is there a prop solution ? Or is a change of gearbox/ratio required ?
>
> Is there a way to calculate the best prop section/pitch/diameter for this
> aircraft ?
>
> What would be the optimum gearbox ratio if a change is neccessary ?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Steve
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116837#116837
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p5270174_202.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Apollo AP400 Spraymate |
Hi Ron,
I recently bought a very nice HVLP gravity feed spray gun which works
well with my air compressor. It cost around $100 at my local
professional automotive paint store. There are other automotive
paint stores oriented toward individuals rather than professionals,
but they offer fewer products and much higher prices. Even those
stores stock $100 gravity feed HVLP spray guns.
I doubt the Apollo system from your link is a good choice for
painting your airplane. First, it is too low in price. If a good
compressor costs around $250 and a good gun costs around $100, then
the price of the Apollo system is around half of that bargain expected price.
The other obvious problem with the Apollo system is the suction feed
for paint instead of gravity feed. This works OK for painting, but
is a real pain for cleaning. It is nearly impossible to get the
suction guns clean since the paint collects in the bottom of the feed
can. With gravity feed guns you just pour out the remaining paint,
swish around a little solvent and spray some through the gun, then
repeat the swish and spray another time or two to get the internal
parts completely clean. This is only a minute or two of
effort. With the suction feed gun you will find yourself taking the
gun apart after every use to keep from building up paint residue
inside the critical moving parts.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 07:37 AM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
>Has anyone heard of the - Apollo AP400 Spraymate HVLP paint
>sprayer. They are in the UK ....
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
Personally, that's not very funny and I don't think this forum is meant
for jokes. So let's not get it started. Do not archive. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: kevinbonds
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:38 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
OK, I have one.
An attractive young lady was visiting the control tower of a small
airfield, when a very forward young controller asked her if she liked
airplanes. She said yes, but admitted she didn't know much about them.
"I have my own plane" he said braggingly.
She: "Oh really, what kind"
He: "See that very large plane over there"
She: "Yes"
"Well that's just a C130, I have a C150"
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Plans building.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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| Subject: | Re: 801 take off and landing distance with and without slats |
I too have replaced the slats on my 801 with feathers VGs, and concur
with Bill that they will probably never go back on. I haven't
measured take off and landing distances but find Bill's results very
believable. You do not give up much in STOL performance but
definitely get another 5-10 mph at the top.
My wife also flies the plane and prefers it in this configuration.
Bob Risch
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
All of us have different tastes in jokes, I did not think it was all
that funny either, but the posting of a occasional joke never hurt
anyone, lighten up Larry.
Do Not Archive
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: LRM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
Personally, that's not very funny and I don't think this forum is
meant for jokes. So let's not get it started. Do not archive. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: kevinbonds
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:38 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
OK, I have one.
An attractive young lady was visiting the control tower of a small
airfield, when a very forward young controller asked her if she liked
airplanes. She said yes, but admitted she didn't know much about them.
"I have my own plane" he said braggingly.
She: "Oh really, what kind"
He: "See that very large plane over there"
She: "Yes"
"Well that's just a C130, I have a C150"
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Plans building.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Date: 5/31/2007 4:51 PM
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
[quote="lrm(at)skyhawg.com"]Personally, that's not very funny and I don't think
this forum is meant for jokes. So let's not get it started. Do not archive.
Larry
> ---
Awww... come on Larry.
You've GOT to have a sense of humor to put a Hawg engine in an airplane.
Now THAT's funny ;)
Rick
LOL...
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| Subject: | Re: Sunlight and your GPS |
Another consideration is ease of access to the buttons. In a yoke mount the angle
is adjustable, the unit is nice and close (helps older eyes) and you can manipulate
the buttons easier. To me, that seems to suggest a RAM mount might
work better than a panel mounted unit. That said, the RAM mount creates it's
own problems as far as where do you mount it?
Tim Juhl
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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I owned a hand punch back in the late 60's called a Whitney Punch. This was
recommended by the designer of my Thorp T-18 project because it quietly, made
perfectly round holes, not triangles like a hand drill does. It used
interchangeable dies. Thorp had a source for a special No. 30 punch die. I was
able to
go down a row of holes like Pac Man and still look good. Similar hand punches
are still commonly available, but not the No.30 die. They all start at 1/8"
then 5/32" and so on. I'm getting one and will use the 1/8" punch and plan to hog
out the holes with a No.30 drill bit. But that not as elegant as the No.30
die. Any body know of a 21st century source for the No.30. Getting to a lathe to
roll my own is a hassle.
Bob Dingley
Pace, FL 601XL,Lyc
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See what's free at
http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
I guess, I think it is funny because it is a true story.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Plans building.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LRM
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
Personally, that's not very funny and I don't think this forum is meant for
jokes. So let's not get it started. Do not archive. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: kevinbonds <mailto:kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:38 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
OK, I have one.
An attractive young lady was visiting the control tower of a small airfield,
when a very forward young controller asked her if she liked airplanes. She
said yes, but admitted she didn't know much about them.
"I have my own plane" he said braggingly.
She: "Oh really, what kind"
He: "See that very large plane over there"
She: "Yes"
"Well that's just a C130, I have a C150"
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Plans building.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Failing finding the die , a #30 reamer might be the way to go. John
But that not as elegant as the No.30 die. Any body know of a 21st
century source for the No.30. Getting to a lathe to roll my own is a
hassle.
Bob Dingley
Pace, FL 601XL,Lyc
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Hi Bob:
Is this what you are looking for ???
_http://www.skygeek.com/45pd-30.html_ (http://www.skygeek.com/45pd-30.html)
Tracy
In a message dated 6/6/2007 11:43:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, MaxNr@aol.com
writes:
I owned a hand punch back in the late 60's called a Whitney Punch. This was
recommended by the designer of my Thorp T-18 project because it quietly, made
perfectly round holes, not triangles like a hand drill does. It used
interchangeable dies. Thorp had a source for a special No. 30 punch die. I was
able
to go down a row of holes like Pac Man and still look good. Similar hand
punches are still commonly available, but not the No.30 die. They all start at
1/8" then 5/32" and so on. I'm getting one and will use the 1/8" punch and plan
to hog out the holes with a No.30 drill bit. But that not as elegant as the
No.30 die. Any body know of a 21st century source for the No.30. Getting to a
lathe to roll my own is a hassle.
Bob Dingley
Pace, FL 601XL,Lyc
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
I think ya'll are missing the point. I like a joke as well as anyone.
However, having been on this list for several years I know how these things
get started, Before you know it every other post will be a joke. But as
you saw someone posted a joke and immediately some one else said "I got
one". I really don't want my list e-mail to be filled with jokes every day,
I get enough already. I was just trying to nip it in the bud before it got
out of hand. So, excuse me for wanting this list to be informative and
educational. If it starts filling up with jokes more and more people will
drop out or only the jokesters will be left. There are plenty of places to
go look at jokes and this list is not supposed to be one of them. That's
all I was saying.
Actually what Rick said about putting a Hawg engine in an airplane I took as
an insult and certainly not called for. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "rickpitcher" <zodie@adelphia.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
>
> [quote="lrm(at)skyhawg.com"]Personally, that's not very funny and I don't
> think this forum is meant for jokes. So let's not get it started. Do
> not archive. Larry
>
>> ---
>
>
> Awww... come on Larry.
> You've GOT to have a sense of humor to put a Hawg engine in an airplane.
> Now THAT's funny ;)
>
> Rick
> LOL...
>
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116884#116884
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> 4:51 PM
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You mean a Roper-Whitney punch? Spruce (among others) sells them: p/n
12-01600. Harbor Freight sells a cheap copy as I recall.
www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/roperwhitney2.php
-- Craig
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Sorry, I didn't read your post all the way through. Glad someone else
provided a source for the #30 punch.
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Hand punch
You mean a Roper-Whitney punch? Spruce (among others) sells them: p/n
12-01600. Harbor Freight sells a cheap copy as I recall.
www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/roperwhitney2.php
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
Ed, this RV-8a is really a strong built airplane, especially compared to my
XL. I finally have the fuselage deburred, dimpled, counter sunk, and primed
and partially reassembled with clecos. You first assemble,=C2- drill and c
leco from front to rear, but then you assemble and rivet rear to front. All
this up side down on the jig while the plans are drawn right side up. Confus
ed ?? I stay that way.=C2-I plan to start slamming rivets this evening. Ho
pefully, what little skill I've developed hasn't deteriorated too much in th
e month and a half since=C2-I finished the wings. I need to order the fini
shing kit from VAN, but I think I'll wait another month or so. I plan to buy
the canopy from a fellow named Todd from Florida. The RV guys most all say
he has a better product that VAN sells. If you are working on your fuselage
you should be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel.=C2- It may b
e sort of tiny, but it's there. I'm a list maker and somewhere during the XL
fuselage I was close enough to make a list of what I had left to do to fini
sh and dammed it was great marking through each line as I worked. Have you h
ung your engine yet ? That really motivated me. Just keep plodding more each
day and it'll come together. It really is worth the effort, even though som
etimes it's difficult to=C2-feel when there seems to be so much left to ac
complish. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: dredmoody@cox.net
Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 6:19 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation
Did Isend you a photo of my panel? I don't think a panel dock could posssibl
y
ffer the range of positions and angles that a RAM mount system can provide (
I
ould be wrong of course.... it has happened before). And then what do you do
in
our or five years when you decide to get a newer and improved-er gps unit?
emove the old panel dock and buy and install a new one when you could just s
wap
he RAM ball over to the new unit? Don'y gry mr wrong here, I do think they l
ook
ery professional and mucho tidy but the objections I just described are deal
illers for me.
Dred
PS: How's your plane coming along? I just started rivetting the forward side
kins, main gear mounts etc. The end of the building saga sure seems to be a
ong way off still.
---- Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>
They've come up with a fix for that Dred.
They have bot horizontal and vertical angle thingys.
http://www.airgizmos.com/products.asp
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
Only a blonde pilot would do that.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rickpitcher" <zodie@adelphia.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
>
> [quote="lrm(at)skyhawg.com"]Personally, that's not very funny and I don't
> think this forum is meant for jokes. So let's not get it started. Do
> not archive. Larry
>
>> ---
>
>
> Awww... come on Larry.
> You've GOT to have a sense of humor to put a Hawg engine in an airplane.
> Now THAT's funny ;)
>
> Rick
> LOL...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116884#116884
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
lrm(at)skyhawg.com wrote:
>
> Actually what Rick said about putting a Hawg engine in an airplane I took as
> an insult and certainly not called for. Larry
>
>
> ---
Sorry Larry, no insult intended.
There's nuthin' funny about a Hawg engine in an airplane.
Go ahead and make a joke about my Jabiru and we'll be even... OK?
Rick
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116903#116903
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| Subject: | Official Zenith Note |
As most of you know, Zenith is the leader in the industry for customer
support. Unfortunately there has been a snag! Zenith receives an enormous
amount of E-Mail every day, in the order of 500-1000 some days, many of
which are spam.
Zenith has had a spam detector in place for quite some time but several
weeks ago changed some settings. The result of this was discovered 20
minutes ago with many valid letters being found, in fact the order of
letters is in excess of +200 E-Mails for both customer support and
information requests.
PLEASE DO NOT RE-SEND your letter, it is our hope that everyone will
receive a response in the next 72 hours. If you do not hear back from your
inquiry by that time please call Zenith directly on the phone.
I wish to ensure everyone that you are always our number one priority, in
fact most of the staff will be pulling serious hours to catch up. Also
remember that their is always the phone and fax for a direct link to
Zenith.
Also available are the 3 distributors in North America to draw upon.
Though Can-Zac offers builders assistance to Canadians and northern U.S.
residents, I often answer questions from Europe and southern U.S., plus
many on this list alone.
Remember you have Flightcrafters in Florida, Quality Sport planes in
California and most importantly you have this list, which is absolutely
packed with knowledgeable and incredibly friendly guy's.
The distributors are not an official customer support center, but if your
in a jam they likely have the knowledge you need.
With all this available to you, we would still like to apologize for the
delay some of you have experienced in getting your answers. Zenith is the
official center for U.S. customer support, this event has been unfortunate
and will be monitored far closer in the future.
Thanks for taking the time to read this post.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Recommendation |
Hey Mark,
You tipped the scales in favor of the EKP-IV. I have been chatting with
Dynon for the D100 interface and AvMap for map updates. The map update cost
is just a little more than Garmin 296 but it also includes some private
airports. Not sure how their private airport directory compares to Garmin
496 directory but the 296 has none.
The interface to Dynon and my PC is same for 296 and EKP. The only other
differences are the 296 has built in antenna and superior internal battery
system.
Many thanks for all the assistance you are rendering to we builders, I hope
to fly my 701 in late July. Also, if you chat with Jon, say hi for me. He
is also a great 701 person.
Ken Arnold
Pikeville, NC
N701LK 75%
----- Original Message -----
From: "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation
>
> I swear by the Avmap, a couple of things to consider, screen size,
> bigger is actually better in this case when looking at a moving map.
> Make SURE you check out the price of updates, the airmap takes a huge
> dive in this issue. Garmin and Avmap have the better terrain and flight
> information. But only the New Garmin outweights the Avmap the Garmin 296
> is not comparable in value.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Juan Vega
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:05 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation
>
>
> Go Airmap 2000 all the way! I have in the 601 and if it had legs I
> would marry it! there are various times you can find it on sale for
> less than $800.00 has terain avoidance, thats a good thing.
>
> Juan
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Ken Arnold <arno7452@bellsouth.net>
>>Sent: Jun 4, 2007 6:43 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Recommendation
>>
>>Dear Listers,
>>I am ready to order a GPS for my CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I
> have reduced the affordable units to three:
>>- Garmin GPS 296 $1,495
>>- Lowrance 200C $999
>>- AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495
>>
>>Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please
> indicate your experience.
>>Regards,
>>Ken Arnold
>>N701LK 75%
>>
>>do not archive
>
>
> 6:43 PM
>
>
> 6:43 PM
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Jabiru Engine Seminar |
Jabiru USA is again offering one of our popular Engine Maintenance and
Installation seminars July 6th thru July 8th. Details on www.usjabiru.com.
Registration form attached
Pete Krotje
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
I see nothing wrong with putting a "hawg" engine in an aircraft
providing it's enough power and has been modified properly. If "hawg" means
a motorcycle, they are more suited to aircraft than an automobile engine is.
If you look at a Pratt & Whitney radial aircraft engine and then look at one
of the Harley-Davis motorcycle engines you will see about 1/4th of a radial
engine.
Who ever said that jokes have no place on the Zenith net, they are
right. I like a good joke myself and have sent one to a member of this net
but it was direct to him and not on the net. The exchange of ideas &
corrective measures for problems we all experence with out experemental
aircraft are of high value and the net should be restricted to that and that
alone.
Tracy Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: "rickpitcher" <zodie@adelphia.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
>
>
> lrm(at)skyhawg.com wrote:
>>
>> Actually what Rick said about putting a Hawg engine in an airplane I took
>> as
>> an insult and certainly not called for. Larry
>>
>>
>> ---
>
>
> Sorry Larry, no insult intended.
> There's nuthin' funny about a Hawg engine in an airplane.
>
> Go ahead and make a joke about my Jabiru and we'll be even... OK?
>
> Rick
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116903#116903
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit heat |
JC Whitney sells some pretty inexpensive heat/sound
insulation that I may use on my XL. Search for
ml274040.
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Search?catalogId=10101&storeId=10101&sku=ml274040
Another supplier, although more expensive but maybe a
better product, is pegasusautoracing.com. Search for
part #1832.
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=1832
Ron
Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows.
Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
Robert ,Idont know what the joke was about the hog eng.was and I know that
it was n't you that said what ever was said, I'am just us using your reply
to get to the jerk that made the joke.. He needs to go to www.sky ray.us
and look at the videos of a601XL in flight in strong cross winds and let us
know if his light sport will do that well..next he should consider keeping
his mouth shut , and let people think he's stupid!! rather than opening his
mouth and REMOVEING ALL DOUBT... Joe N101 HD 601XL P.S. the H D stands
for Harley -Davison Engine...
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
>
> I see nothing wrong with putting a "hawg" engine in an aircraft
> providing it's enough power and has been modified properly. If "hawg"
> means a motorcycle, they are more suited to aircraft than an automobile
> engine is. If you look at a Pratt & Whitney radial aircraft engine and
> then look at one of the Harley-Davis motorcycle engines you will see about
> 1/4th of a radial engine.
> Who ever said that jokes have no place on the Zenith net, they are
> right. I like a good joke myself and have sent one to a member of this
> net but it was direct to him and not on the net. The exchange of ideas &
> corrective measures for problems we all experence with out experemental
> aircraft are of high value and the net should be restricted to that and
> that alone.
>
> Tracy Stone
> Harker Heights, Tx
> ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rickpitcher" <zodie@adelphia.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:00 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
>
>
>>
>>
>> lrm(at)skyhawg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually what Rick said about putting a Hawg engine in an airplane I
>>> took as
>>> an insult and certainly not called for. Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>
>>
>> Sorry Larry, no insult intended.
>> There's nuthin' funny about a Hawg engine in an airplane.
>>
>> Go ahead and make a joke about my Jabiru and we'll be even... OK?
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116903#116903
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Sorry, didn't mean to leave out the 801 builders. I like the information I find
on this board just fine (that's why I come), but it's not the same kind of
forum as a chat room, where folks can gather and converse "real time" with each
other. Chat rooms tend to be less formal, and have more the give and take of
real conversations. I think it's a better way to get to know people. It's
just a different kind of forum to having a bulletin board.
Dan Dempsey
do not archive
--------
Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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Hi Guys,
Some time ago, there was an article that featured a 601 with a Subaru
that had a bulkhead just inside the cowl that blocked air that would go
over the
engine. I'm not sure if any air was blocked below, but doubt it. Anyway,
there's been more than several days that I'd like to have been flying
with a nice
overcast but there were thin spots with rain and have been reluctant to
expose
my plugs and ignition to moisture of that sort. The fellow that did the
bulkhead
said his engine ran better and that he didn't have to worry about
drowning his
plugs in a downpour.
Sounds good, but how many of you have done the same
or experienced fouled plugs getting into the rain inadvertently.
I expect this protected his belt drive as well.
Any opinions or experiences among you on this?
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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IT FLIES!!!! And it's sweet!
Dave
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
Dang...and here all along I thought the guys on the RV-10 list were nasty towards
each other. The following is a direct quote:
"The purpose of the Rocket-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things
related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as
an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to
provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support
safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation
of each and every member of the List."
Maybe we on the Rocket (RV & SoCal RV) list really do like each other and rib each
and poke fun all time BUT it forms "CAMARDERIE". And that a posting of 'Lunch
At Big Bear' on the RV list will have 30 RV's show up with only a few days
notice. KABONG DO NOT ARCHIVE
He needs to go to www.sky ray.us
>and look at the videos of a601XL in flight in strong cross winds and let us
>know if his light sport will do that well..next he should consider keeping
>his mouth shut , and let people think he's stupid!! rather than opening his
>mouth and REMOVEING ALL DOUBT... Joe N101 HD 601XL P.S. the H D stands
>for Harley -Davison Engine...
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Tracy ! ! !
You - are - the - MAN ! !
Do not archive
Bob
**************************************
See what's free at
http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
What the hell is the matter with you people! You get insulted because
someone doesn't like your choice of engine. Who gives a shit! Use what you
like and enjoy flying, we are pilots first, how we get there is not
important just as long as we fly safe. When you get together as pilots it
should be fun regardless of what you are flying or what is powering it.
Sometimes it is hard to believe how easily people can be offended.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Continental Powered
Wings, Tail & Engine Complete
Working on Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> Robert ,Idont know what the joke was about the hog eng.was and I know that
> it was n't you that said what ever was said, I'am just us using your reply
> to get to the jerk that made the joke.. He needs to go to www.sky
> ray.us and look at the videos of a601XL in flight in strong cross winds
> and let us know if his light sport will do that well..next he should
> consider keeping his mouth shut , and let people think he's stupid!!
> rather than opening his mouth and REMOVEING ALL DOUBT... Joe N101 HD
> 601XL P.S. the H D stands for Harley -Davison Engine...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "robert stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
>
>
>>
>> I see nothing wrong with putting a "hawg" engine in an aircraft
>> providing it's enough power and has been modified properly. If "hawg"
>> means a motorcycle, they are more suited to aircraft than an automobile
>> engine is. If you look at a Pratt & Whitney radial aircraft engine and
>> then look at one of the Harley-Davis motorcycle engines you will see
>> about 1/4th of a radial engine.
>> Who ever said that jokes have no place on the Zenith net, they are
>> right. I like a good joke myself and have sent one to a member of this
>> net but it was direct to him and not on the net. The exchange of ideas &
>> corrective measures for problems we all experence with out experemental
>> aircraft are of high value and the net should be restricted to that and
>> that alone.
>>
>> Tracy Stone
>> Harker Heights, Tx
>> ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "rickpitcher" <zodie@adelphia.net>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:00 PM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> lrm(at)skyhawg.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Actually what Rick said about putting a Hawg engine in an airplane I
>>>> took as
>>>> an insult and certainly not called for. Larry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry Larry, no insult intended.
>>> There's nuthin' funny about a Hawg engine in an airplane.
>>>
>>> Go ahead and make a joke about my Jabiru and we'll be even... OK?
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116903#116903
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
I'm with Clyde - this has turned into the dumbest frickin' thread ever. It
started with jokes. Personally, I found them all funny and even passed a
couple of them along at my EAA meeting tonight. Does it clog your inbox -
tough shit. Hit delete. I sure as hell wasn't interested in the green/red
scotchbrite thread. To many people this is a community of like-minded folks
- a community interacts in lots of ways, including joking. My office is
certainly not in the business of joking, but people joke at the office.
Whether you personally think the joke is funny or not doesn't matter -
everyone has a different sense of humor.
Which leads me to the second point. Larry - what the hell is wrong with
you? Neither your engine nor your fine craftsmanship was not insulted. I
personally think "HawgAir" is quite funny, too. It has nothing to do with
the quality of the engine - it just sounds funny. The only way you could
take insult in the comment that was made is if you were looking for it - I
am 100% sure than insult was not intended.
Recently this group has gotten its panties in a twist over the dumbest
things. I personally think it reflects on the current state of the world in
general - everyone wants to be insulted and pissed off about something.
Instead, how about we all just try to get along?
Michael in NH
On 6/6/07, Clyde Barcus <barcusc@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> What the hell is the matter with you people! You get insulted because
> someone doesn't like your choice of engine. Who gives a shit! Use what you
> like and enjoy flying, we are pilots first, how we get there is not
> important just as long as we fly safe. When you get together as pilots it
> should be fun regardless of what you are flying or what is powering it.
> Sometimes it is hard to believe how easily people can be offended.
>
> Clyde Barcus
> 601 XL, Continental Powered
> Wings, Tail & Engine Complete
> Working on Fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 Gross Weight |
Hello Group:
Does anyone know why the early (Circa 1986) 701 kits had a gross weight
of only 960 pounds ?
Thanks,
Damien
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| Subject: | Re: Official Zenith Note |
Thanks for the update Mark.
Any news to report on the highly anticipated LSA floats?
Hans van Riet
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Gross Weight |
The two things that come to mind are the main gear was not as robust and
it was originally spec'd with a Rotax 582 65hp.
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 21:54 -0400, Damien and Kathy wrote:
> Hello Group:
> Does anyone know why the early (Circa 1986) 701 kits had a gross
> weight of only 960 pounds ?
> Thanks,
> Damien
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
What I started to say before I thought better of it was "You and Clyde
should really get off the list if you feel that way". So then I thought
better of it and decided not to say it. Sorry, I didn't say it and
certainly didn't mean it. Can I please take it back? Larry
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Valentine
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
I'm with Clyde - this has turned into the dumbest frickin' thread
ever. It started with jokes. Personally, I found them all funny and
even passed a couple of them along at my EAA meeting tonight. Does it
clog your inbox - tough shit. Hit delete. I sure as hell wasn't
interested in the green/red scotchbrite thread. To many people this is
a community of like-minded folks - a community interacts in lots of
ways, including joking. My office is certainly not in the business of
joking, but people joke at the office. Whether you personally think the
joke is funny or not doesn't matter - everyone has a different sense of
humor.
Which leads me to the second point. Larry - what the hell is wrong
with you? Neither your engine nor your fine craftsmanship was not
insulted. I personally think "HawgAir" is quite funny, too. It has
nothing to do with the quality of the engine - it just sounds funny.
The only way you could take insult in the comment that was made is if
you were looking for it - I am 100% sure than insult was not intended.
Recently this group has gotten its panties in a twist over the dumbest
things. I personally think it reflects on the current state of the
world in general - everyone wants to be insulted and pissed off about
something. Instead, how about we all just try to get along?
Michael in NH
On 6/6/07, Clyde Barcus <barcusc@comcast.net> wrote:
<barcusc@comcast.net>
What the hell is the matter with you people! You get insulted
because
someone doesn't like your choice of engine. Who gives a shit! Use
what you
like and enjoy flying, we are pilots first, how we get there is not
important just as long as we fly safe. When you get together as
pilots it
should be fun regardless of what you are flying or what is powering
it.
Sometimes it is hard to believe how easily people can be offended.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Continental Powered
Wings, Tail & Engine Complete
Working on Fuselage
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5/31/2007 4:51 PM
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Gross Weight |
Originally, the CH-701 was designed to fit into the
Canadian Ultralight rules. At the time, the max gross
weight for a Canadian Ultrlight was around 960 lbs.
According to the old newsletters I have read, the
prototype CH-701 was designed around the Rotax 503.
With the 503 and the GW limit of 960, the 701 still
had a pretty good useful load.
The current design is a more robust aircraft. as you
may notice, there are several part numbers with the
suffex "SP". These are parts that have been beefed up
to bring the design to 1150 lb gross weight we have
today.
Also, as someone else mentioned, the old landing gear
appears to be considerably lighter duty too.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
--- Damien and Kathy <dgraham7@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello Group:
> Does anyone know why the early (Circa 1986) 701 kits
> had a gross weight of only 960 pounds ?
> Thanks,
> Damien
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