---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/07/07: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:47 AM - Re: Prop Selection (Again!) (secatur) 2. 04:32 AM - Re: Re: GPS Recommendation (Edward Moody II) 3. 04:44 AM - Re: joke for the day (jhines) 4. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: joke for the day (Michael Valentine) 5. 06:58 AM - Fuel Fittings (Jaybannist@cs.com) 6. 07:07 AM - Re: N618PZ (Beckman, Rick) 7. 07:42 AM - Re: Fuel Fittings (ken smith) 8. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: GPS Recommendation (n787xl@aol.com) 9. 07:59 AM - Re: Fuel Fittings (Gig Giacona) 10. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: GPS Recommendation () 11. 08:59 AM - Re: Fuel Fittings (Paul Mulwitz) 12. 11:12 AM - Re: Fuel Fittings (Charles Wacker) 13. 12:08 PM - Re: Apollo AP400 Spraymate (Ron D Leclerc) 14. 03:23 PM - Another Question on Priming (dfmoeller) 15. 03:31 PM - Rotax Fuel Pump Replacement (Dan) 16. 03:51 PM - Re: Another Question on Priming (John Bolding) 17. 04:12 PM - Re: Rotax Fuel Pump Replacement (Jim Hoak) 18. 05:12 PM - Re: Another Question on Priming (David Downey) 19. 06:04 PM - Re: joke for the day (rickpitcher) 20. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day () 21. 06:54 PM - 601XL Wing and Tail Kits for sale (Will Couvillon) 22. 07:24 PM - Re: Chat (leinad) 23. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day (Southern Reflections) 24. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day (Southern Reflections) 25. 08:42 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day (Joemotis@aol.com) 26. 08:55 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day (Southern Reflections) 27. 08:58 PM - Re: Re: joke for the day (Southern Reflections) 28. 09:09 PM - Re: Another Question on Priming (JohnDRead@aol.com) 29. 10:11 PM - High HP 2 cyl engines in a 701 (ZodieRocket) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:23 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Prop Selection (Again!) From: "secatur" And you must have plenty of it! $$$$ that is... P-Tip must make an EXCEPTIONAL prop !!, It's 2-3 times as expensive as anybody else! Thanks for the thought tho! Regards, S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117020#117020 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:47 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation These photos are low-res but will suffice. Nope, haven't made a list yet.... the mental one that keeps popping up in annoying me enough. Having worked on an RV7-A, I agree about the strength of the design. It's a beast alright. I haven't hung the engine or fitted the wings to the fuselage yet due to lack of room. Once my hangar is finished (2 months?) I'll move the project out there and continue. Oh yeah..... that light at the end of the tunnel? It turned out to be a train. (grinning) Good luck on yours. It's a wonderful plane but a heck of a lot of work. Ed ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:14 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day From: "jhines" I went to Corvair Day at the Zenith factory in Mexico, Mo last year. There was a guy there building a LongEZ. When his family realized that was the plane that John Denver had died in they all started to give him a lot of grief. Then he decided to put a Corvair engine on it. One of his family members said you mean the Ralph Nader engine? His reply was, Yes, Im putting a Ralph Nader engine on a John Denver plane! NOW THATS FUNNY! Sorry to keep this thread going but A commercial airline passenger asks the pilot how often their planes crash and he says, "Just once." -------- John Hines Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117030#117030 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:36 AM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day And Clyde or I could have said the same thing - so what! Again, though, such comments are not helpful - nor do they advance the community of which you are a part. In fact, I didn't say it because I have no interest in you leaving the list. I do have an interest in you chilling out, not taking someone to task for posting an aviation related joke, and not taking offense where none is intended. Michael in NH On 6/6/07, LRM wrote: > > What I started to say before I thought better of it was "You and Clyde > should really get off the list if you feel that way". So then I thought > better of it and decided not to say it. Sorry, I didn't say it and > certainly didn't mean it. Can I please take it back? Larry > Do not archive. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:34 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Fittings I am working with the kit-supplied fuel selector valve (601XL, dual sticks). It is located on my center console, about the middle. It has three 1/4"NPT ports (female threads), one on the side(input), one on top and one on the back face (output). Because of the width of the console and other constraints, I must use 90 degree fittings on the side and top ports. When I screw the fittings in, finger tight, they are facing the wrong way. Swivel-type fittings would require first installing a 1/4"NPT to -6AN adapter fitting, then the swivel fittings. The console is not wide enough for that. I have searched Summit Racing Equipment's extensive fittings catalog and have not found anything that would work. At this point, I can't mount the selector valve remotely. I am at a loss, or maybe just stuck on stupid. Any suggestions? Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:03 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: N618PZ From: "Beckman, Rick" Hey, Dave! If it flies and it is sweet, tell us more .... And pictures if you got 'em! Rick DO NOT ARCHIVE IT FLIES!!!! And it's sweet! Dave ________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:01 AM PST US From: ken smith Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Fittings Jay, When I screw the fittings > in, finger tight, they are facing the wrong way. Can you get them oriented correctly when they are doped and tightened with a wrench? if not, an easy solution is to open the 1/4NPT thread another 1/2 turn or so by running a tap in the holes. The thread is tapered. ken Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation From: n787xl@aol.com Ed What are the 3 instruments in the center of the consol? I'm laying out my panel and wondering how you have choose yours. James S 601XL, Jab &RV6 flying -----Original Message----- From: Edward Moody II Sent: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 4:31 am Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation These photos are low-res but will suffice. Nope, haven't made a list? yet.... the mental one that keeps popping up in annoying me enough. Having worked on an RV7-A, I agree about the strength of the design. It's a beast alright. I haven't hung the engine or fitted the wings to the fuselage yet due to lack of room. Once my hangar is finished (2 months?) I'll move the project out there and continue. Oh yeah..... that light at the end of the tunnel?? It turned out to be a train. (grinning) ? Good luck on yours. It's a wonderful plane but a heck of a lot of work. ? Ed [Image Removed] [Image Removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:47 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel Fittings From: "Gig Giacona" Jay, let me know what you come up with because I'm about a month away from the exact same problem. Jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote: > I am working with the kit-supplied fuel selector valve (601XL, dual sticks). It is located on my center console, about the middle. It has three 1/4"NPT ports (female threads), one on the side(input), one on top and one on the back face (output). Because of the width of the console and other constraints, I must use 90 degree fittings on the side and top ports. When I screw the fittings in, finger tight, they are facing the wrong way. Swivel-type fittings would require first installing a 1/4"NPT to -6AN adapter fitting, then the swivel fittings. The console is not wide enough for that. I have searched Summit Racing Equipment's extensive fittings catalog and have not found anything that would work. At this point, I can't mount the selector valve remotely. > > I am at a loss, or maybe just stuck on stupid. Any suggestions? > > Jay in Dallas -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117071#117071 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:30 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: GPS Recommendation ---- n787xl@aol.com wrote: The top one is a backup ASI steam gauge. The next under that is a Becker transceiver. The bottom one is a Becker transponder. They are fit 2.25" round gauge holes . I chose the Becker units based on their small size and decent customer satisfaction reports. The x-ponder is reputed to handle frequent interrogation in a dense traffic area better than the similar Microair unit. Since I don't have first hand experience using them yet, there remains the chance that my choice was a bad one. We'll see. Ed > Ed > > What are the 3 instruments in the center of the consol? > > I'm laying out my panel and wondering how you have choose yours. > > James S > 601XL, Jab > &RV6 flying ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:18 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Fittings Hi Jay, Have you tried the local hardware store? They probably have a thousand different 1/4 NPT fittings and a helpful sales person. Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 06:56 AM 6/7/2007, you wrote: >I have searched Summit Racing Equipment's extensive fittings catalog >and have not found anything that would work. At this point, I can't >mount the selector valve remotely. > >I am at a loss, or maybe just stuck on stupid. Any suggestions ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:02 AM PST US From: "Charles Wacker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel Fittings This may sound silly; use a wrench to turn the fitting to where you need it. Chuck Wacker N601CW Quick Build >From: Jaybannist@cs.com >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Fittings >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:56:15 -0400 > > >I am working with the kit-supplied fuel selector valve (601XL, dual >sticks). It is located on my center console, about the middle. It has three >1/4"NPT ports (female threads), one on the side(input), one on top and one >on the back face (output). Because of the width of the console and other >constraints, I must use 90 degree fittings on the side and top ports. When >I screw the fittings in, finger tight, they are facing the wrong way. >Swivel-type fittings would require first installing a 1/4"NPT to -6AN >adapter fitting, then the swivel fittings. The console is not wide enough >for that. I have searched Summit Racing Equipment's extensive fittings >catalog and have not found anything that would work. At this point, I can't >mount the selector valve remotely. > >I am at a loss, or maybe just stuck on stupid. Any suggestions? > >Jay in Dallas > > _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:32 PM PST US From: Ron D Leclerc Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Apollo AP400 Spraymate Thanks Paul Actually the article where I got the info was about 2 guys in the Toronto are who each purchased one each to paint their aircraft... a cub and a rocket with much success. Now I can't find the article. Ron On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:51:48 -0700, Paul Mulwitz wrote: > > > Hi Ron, > > I recently bought a very nice HVLP gravity feed spray gun which > works well with my air compressor. It cost around $100 at my local > professional automotive paint store. There are other automotive > paint stores oriented toward individuals rather than professionals, > but they offer fewer products and much higher prices. Even those > stores stock $100 gravity feed HVLP spray guns. > > I doubt the Apollo system from your link is a good choice for > painting your airplane. First, it is too low in price. If a good > compressor costs around $250 and a good gun costs around $100, then > the price of the Apollo system is around half of that bargain > expected price. > > The other obvious problem with the Apollo system is the suction > feed for paint instead of gravity feed. This works OK for > painting, but is a real pain for cleaning. It is nearly impossible > to get the suction guns clean since the paint collects in the > bottom of the feed can. With gravity feed guns you just pour out > the remaining paint, swish around a little solvent and spray some > through the gun, then repeat the swish and spray another time or > two to get the internal parts completely clean. This is only a > minute or two of effort. With the suction feed gun you will find > yourself taking the gun apart after every use to keep from building > up paint residue inside the critical moving parts. > > Good luck, > > Paul > XL fuselage > > > At 07:37 AM 6/5/2007, you wrote: >> Has anyone heard of the - Apollo AP400 Spraymate HVLP paint >> sprayer. They are in the UK .... > > > Features Navigator to browse > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:20 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Another Question on Priming From: "dfmoeller" OK. Here is yet one more question about the black art of priming/corrosion protecting your structure. I see that Zenith automatically applies CORTEC to interfacial areas on the parts that make up the spars they build. They do not, however, apply the protection to the external surfaces of the spars. By this, I'm referring to the areas where the rivet's heads and tails bear on the aluminum sandwich. I can certainly see the wisdom of only applying primer to the interfaces between parts rather than the entire parts. This is where the moisture will wick and cause corrosion. My question is though, shouldn't the surfaces that will bear the rivets get the same treatment. OR, I had a thought that perhaps the rivet's bearing surfaces form essentially a gas tight seal with the part underneath, needing no protection. I realize that my descriptions above may be a little cryptic - sorry. Another way to describe this would be when riveting part A to part B, I would think one should prime both sides of parts A and B rather than just the interface between A and B because corrosion could start in the interface between the rivet head and A or the interface between B and the rivet tail. The spars aren't built like that though. If anyone knows why the surfaces that the rivets bear on are not protected, please enlighten me! Doug Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117154#117154 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:24 PM PST US From: Dan Subject: Zenith-List: Rotax Fuel Pump Replacement Question for the group: I am just getting started putting my new engine (912S) on my 701. On reading the Rotax Alert Service Bulletin I find my brand new engine came delivered with the fuel pump that must be replaced. Do I have to eat the cost of a new fuel pump or will Rotax or Zenith supply it? I will call Zenith tomorrow but am curious if others have had this issue and how it was resolved. Dan Wilde ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:25 PM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Another Question on Priming Not a chance, easy to demonstrate, watch what happens when you spray ACF50 or Corrosion X on the INSIDE of a wing . In a couple days there is a 2" circle around each rivet on the OUTSIDE where the penetrant has crawled through. Yeah, yeah, I know it's not apples to apples as water and penetrant have different properties but humid AIR CAN and will deposit moisture in those tight places. Seen it thousands (1000's)of times. If you aren't going to protect ALL faying surfaces during building, keep them protected with a treatment . I like ACF50 over Corrosion X but it's kinda a Ford -Chevy thing I think. Just use SOMETHING regular. John My question is though, shouldn't the surfaces that will bear the rivets get the same treatment. OR, I had a thought that perhaps the rivet's bearing surfaces form essentially a gas tight seal with the part underneath, needing no protection. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:08 PM PST US From: "Jim Hoak" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rotax Fuel Pump Replacement Dan Usually when Rotax will pay for the Repair/Modification they say so right in the Service Bulletin. Such as the Stator and oil Tank Dip Stick Bullitens of the past. Although these were for my 912Ul 80 HP engine they paid for the part and in the case of the Stator ( very expensive ) they also paid for renting the tools to do the job. No labor reimbersement though. Not a bad deal! I didn't read the Fuel Pump Bulletin in detail because it didn't apply to my engine, so I don't know if they said anything about paying for that one. It seems that your engine should be under warranty. I would talk with the North American Rotax Distributor. Jim Hoak 601HD - 912UL - 544 hours. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:30 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Rotax Fuel Pump Replacement > > Question for the group: > > I am just getting started putting my new engine (912S) on my 701. On > reading the Rotax Alert Service Bulletin I find my brand new engine came > delivered with the fuel pump that must be replaced. Do I have to eat the > cost of a new fuel pump or will Rotax or Zenith supply it? > > I will call Zenith tomorrow but am curious if others have had this issue > and how it was resolved. > > Dan Wilde > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:00 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Another Question on Priming flames on - I have my asbestos suit on. I believe that all the surfaces you refer to should be primed - mine will be. I will also be touching a Q-tip with ZPP to the opening in the head of each rivet and wiping with an acetone dampened cloth. The "coated steel" rivet mandrel is bare at the pintail break face. I bought some of the Cortec primer but I am simply more comfortable with the ZPP so I am not going to use it. do not archive OK. Here is yet one more question about the black art of priming/corrosion protecting your structure. I see that Zenith automatically applies CORTEC to interfacial areas on the parts that make up the spars they build. They do not, however, apply the protection to the external surfaces of the spars. By this, I'm referring to the areas where the rivet's heads and tails bear on the aluminum sandwich. I can certainly see the wisdom of only applying primer to the interfaces between parts rather than the entire parts. This is where the moisture will wick and cause corrosion. My question is though, shouldn't the surfaces that will bear the rivets get the same treatment. OR, I had a thought that perhaps the rivet's bearing surfaces form essentially a gas tight seal with the part underneath, needing no protection. I realize that my descriptions above may be a little cryptic - sorry. Another way to describe this would be when riveting part A to part B, I would think one should prime both sides of parts A and B rather than just the interface between A and B because corrosion could start in the interface between the rivet head and A or the interface between B and the rivet tail. The spars aren't built like that though. If anyone knows why the surfaces that the rivets bear on are not protected, please enlighten me! Doug Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117154#117154 Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:56 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day From: "rickpitcher" purplemoon99(at)bellsouth wrote: > Robert ,Idont know what the joke was about the hog eng.was and I know that > it was n't you that said what ever was said, I'am just us using your reply > to get to the jerk that made the joke.. He needs to go to www.sky ray.us > and look at the videos of a601XL in flight in strong cross winds and let us > know if his light sport will do that well--- No jokes were made about HD engines, I was simply appealing to Larry's sense of humor. With a name like HawgAir there's GOTTA be some humor involved.... or so I thought. I see now that he has a commercial operation selling Hog engines for airplanes, I wasn't aware of this at first. I thought he was just another amateur airplane builder like the majority of us: just in it for the fun and the sense of accomplishment you get when you build a plane and fly it. I looked at the website you mentioned. Yes, my Zodiac will do as well. I'm pretty sure the Corvair and Soob powered Zodiacs can do as well also. Sorry if you saw something derogatory where non was intended, The Jerk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117178#117178 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:13 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day If it's the same guy, I bought a HawgAir t-shirt from him at the 2004 OSH, he was a great guy & answered all my questions. Having ridden Hogs (H-D) since 1964 it was great that someone had a better idea. (please, no insult intended towards Ford's) I'm waiting for the RV-12 and thinking I like the Jaburi 3300 over the Rotax....BUT we'll see. KABONG HRII N561FS Do Not Archive P.S. I also have Hooters T-shirts too but I don't eat there. 8*) >From: rickpitcher >Date: 2007/06/07 Thu PM 08:04:02 CDT >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day > >purplemoon99(at)bellsouth wrote: >> Robert ,Idont know what the joke was about the hog eng.was and I know that >> it was n't you that said what ever was said, I'am just us using your reply >> to get to the jerk that made the joke.. He needs to go to www.sky ray.us >> and look at the videos of a601XL in flight in strong cross winds and let us >> know if his light sport will do that well--- > > >No jokes were made about HD engines, I was simply appealing to Larry's sense of humor. With a name like HawgAir there's GOTTA be some humor involved.... or so I thought. I see now that he has a commercial operation selling Hog engines for airplanes, I wasn't aware of this at first. I thought he was just another amateur airplane builder like the majority of us: just in it for the fun and the sense of accomplishment you get when you build a plane and fly it. >I looked at the website you mentioned. Yes, my Zodiac will do as well. I'm pretty sure the Corvair and Soob powered Zodiacs can do as well also. >Sorry if you saw something derogatory where non was intended, > >The Jerk ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:43 PM PST US From: Will Couvillon Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Wing and Tail Kits for sale Hello, I am posting for my father who is selling his fully completed 601XL wing an d tail kits. He has decided that he would rather build a slower tube and f abric type VSTOL kit and as such he is letting this one go. The workmanshi p thus far has been excellent with two EAA Tech Inspections already complet ed. These kits include just about every option including wing lockers, lea ding edge lights, and fully installed nav/strobe lighting. He is not expec ting to get paid for his labor on this project and would only like to get h is money out it. As such, he is asking $9900 which is just under what his total cost has been to date on the project. You can see lots of pics and a ll of the details at the site I created for him: http://home.comcast.net/~wcouv/zenith Contact me if you like and I will forward the email or you can contact him directly via the links on the site. These are available for pick up only! Thanks for looking. Will ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:35 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Chat From: "leinad" Rob If it's OK with you I'd like to try using your chat? I've registered, and plan to be there Monday night (June 11) around 8:00 EST as a test. Anyone interested? What time would be convenient? Dan robertstdenis wrote: > Or what about us ch640 builders ? > > If ya want a chat, I set one up at chat.iahu.ca (http://chat.iahu.ca) a long time ago which is not being used > > Rob > Hanmer Ontario > ch640 stabilator (should be here soon the shops ready to roll) > > do not archive. > > --- -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117197#117197 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:14 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day Rick, It sounds like I'am as gulity as every one else about over reacting about this"hawg" thing,so lets get back to building and helping each other. That hawg. that larry built is a 10+ and my Hog-Air now has a 130 Ram eng. in it.I will admit that hog's are a hard way to go,that's why we are experimental's Have a good night and fly safe. Joe N101HD 601XL The H D now stands for Hotel Delta ----- Original Message ----- From: "rickpitcher" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day > > > purplemoon99(at)bellsouth wrote: >> Robert ,Idont know what the joke was about the hog eng.was and I know >> that >> it was n't you that said what ever was said, I'am just us using your >> reply >> to get to the jerk that made the joke.. He needs to go to www.sky >> ray.us >> and look at the videos of a601XL in flight in strong cross winds and let >> us >> know if his light sport will do that well--- > > > No jokes were made about HD engines, I was simply appealing to Larry's > sense of humor. With a name like HawgAir there's GOTTA be some humor > involved.... or so I thought. I see now that he has a commercial operation > selling Hog engines for airplanes, I wasn't aware of this at first. I > thought he was just another amateur airplane builder like the majority of > us: just in it for the fun and the sense of accomplishment you get when > you build a plane and fly it. > I looked at the website you mentioned. Yes, my Zodiac will do as well. > I'm pretty sure the Corvair and Soob powered Zodiacs can do as well also. > Sorry if you saw something derogatory where non was intended, > > The Jerk > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117178#117178 > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:57 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day I'am not the same guy , but I've the plane,and I changed the eng.I too have a harley and a victory Victory ?That's a thought ! ----- Original Message ----- Joe N101HD From: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day > > If it's the same guy, I bought a HawgAir t-shirt from him at the 2004 > OSH, he was a great guy & answered all my questions. Having ridden Hogs > (H-D) since 1964 it was great that someone had a better idea. (please, no > insult intended towards Ford's) I'm waiting for the RV-12 and thinking I > like the Jaburi 3300 over the Rotax....BUT we'll see. KABONG HRII N561FS > Do Not Archive > P.S. I also have Hooters T-shirts too but I don't eat there. 8*) > > >>From: rickpitcher >>Date: 2007/06/07 Thu PM 08:04:02 CDT >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day > >> >>purplemoon99(at)bellsouth wrote: >>> Robert ,Idont know what the joke was about the hog eng.was and I know >>> that >>> it was n't you that said what ever was said, I'am just us using your >>> reply >>> to get to the jerk that made the joke.. He needs to go to www.sky >>> ray.us >>> and look at the videos of a601XL in flight in strong cross winds and let >>> us >>> know if his light sport will do that well--- >> >> >> >>No jokes were made about HD engines, I was simply appealing to Larry's >>sense of humor. With a name like HawgAir there's GOTTA be some humor >>involved.... or so I thought. I see now that he has a commercial operation >>selling Hog engines for airplanes, I wasn't aware of this at first. I >>thought he was just another amateur airplane builder like the majority of >>us: just in it for the fun and the sense of accomplishment you get when >>you build a plane and fly it. >>I looked at the website you mentioned. Yes, my Zodiac will do as well. >>I'm pretty sure the Corvair and Soob powered Zodiacs can do as well also. >>Sorry if you saw something derogatory where non was intended, >> >>The Jerk > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:29 PM PST US From: Joemotis@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day You know, with so much serious horsepower superbike motors out there, how come they are not turning up in Light sport aircraft? Joe Motis do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:58 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day I think it's because the trans. and eng. are in one case. I saw aYahama powered plane once.the trans was locked in 3rd. gear.. ----- Original Message ----- Joe N101HD From: Joemotis@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:41 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day You know, with so much serious horsepower superbike motors out there, how come they are not turning up in Light sport aircraft? Joe Motis do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:25 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day BMW makes a aircraft eng,It's out of there 4 cy. bike ----- Original Message ----- Joe N101HD From: Joemotis@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:41 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day You know, with so much serious horsepower superbike motors out there, how come they are not turning up in Light sport aircraft? Joe Motis do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:10 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Another Question on Priming Hello All: I was using self etch primers when I started building. Recently I switched to Cortec 373 thinned three to one with denatured alcohol. This gives the recommended half mil coating thickness. I brush apply Cortec to all interfaces on the inside of the structure. I have not decided what to use as a primer when I get to final painting. The Cortec seems to bond very well without excessive preparation. I clean of all printed stuff on the parts and all the marking I have made with denatured alcohol, then a light rub over all surfaces with Scotchbrite finally a wipe down with denatured alcohol. I let the surfaces dry thoroughly before priming. John Read CH701 coming along nicely ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:21 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: Zenith-List: High HP 2 cyl engines in a 701 Have you ever watched a 701 with a Rotax start up and shut down? Now imagine a 2 cylinder with more horsepower. I am a big supporter of Alternative engines and affordable aircraft for the average person. However, I have personal feelings about installing a 2 cyl high Hp engine in an aircraft, over time I would be curious to see the results to the airframe. I am waiting to see a 701 pass 200hrs before I make a final judgment. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK "http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joemotis@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:41 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day You know, with so much serious horsepower superbike motors out there, how come they are not turning up in Light sport aircraft? Joe Motis do not archive _____ See what's free at HYPERLINK "http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503" \nAOL.com. 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