---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/10/07: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:55 AM - Re: Fuel Fittings (Scott Thatcher) 2. 04:12 AM - Windsheild Rubber Mouldingn 701 (Mike Hoffman) 3. 04:25 AM - Re: Zenith Builders Chat Room (Rob St Denis) 4. 05:55 AM - First flight (Aaron Gustafson) 5. 06:24 AM - Re: First flight (Jim Hoak) 6. 07:02 AM - Re: First flight (n801bh@netzero.com) 7. 07:02 AM - Re: First flight (LarryMcFarland) 8. 07:39 AM - Re: Gross Weight (ricklach) 9. 08:04 AM - Re: Windsheild Rubber Mouldingn 701 (RURUNY@aol.com) 10. 09:01 AM - Air venting (robert stone) 11. 09:53 AM - Air venting (Craig Payne) 12. 10:14 AM - Re: air venting (fred sanford) 13. 02:00 PM - Firewall angle (Bill Naumuk) 14. 02:17 PM - Re: Firewall angle (Craig Payne) 15. 02:21 PM - Re: Air venting (LarryMcFarland) 16. 03:06 PM - Re: First flight (Aaron Gustafson) 17. 03:21 PM - Re: First flight (wade jones) 18. 03:39 PM - Re: First flight (Aaron Gustafson) 19. 04:54 PM - Re: First flight (LarryMcFarland) 20. 06:49 PM - XL TD (David Downey) 21. 07:32 PM - Re: XL TD (Kevin L. Rupert) 22. 07:43 PM - Re: XL TD (ZodieRocket) 23. 08:31 PM - Re: Air venting (NYTerminat@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:22 AM PST US From: "Scott Thatcher" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel Fittings Jay and Gig, I'm also just finishing that part of the assembly and am using the Zenith supplied barbs for the rubber hoses. I will probebly use Earl's to go through the firewall but that fitting is straight out rather than at 90 degrees. I placed the 90 degree barbs in finger tight using a thread solution of Saf-T-Loc Hydraulic Sealant (Brown) that seals the threads after about an hour. That way I didn't need to have the fitting very tight at all, although there was still some resistence (it felt like it would still turn about 60 degrees further by hand). This suggestion was made by a Tech Counselor so I hope I have done the right thing. Scott Thatcher 601XL with Corvair Power 90% complete ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:22 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Windsheild Rubber Mouldingn 701 From: "Mike Hoffman" I am looking for a rubber molding to fit the bottom of the 701 windshield. Can anyone make a suggestion? Aircraft Spruce lists rubber channel but I have been unable to pull up any listings. Brian Unruh web site shows a nice molding he used but I can't find his e-mail address to contact him. Thanks Mike Hoffman 701, Florida Waiting for FWF from Zenith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117568#117568 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:26 AM PST US From: "Rob St Denis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Builders Chat Room 8est I think On 6/9/07, heliav8r@swbell.net wrote: > > What time?? > > > > We are hoping to start a Zenith Builder's chat this > > coming Monday (June 11, 2007) at the following link. > > http://chat.iahu.ca/ > > > Samm Munn > CH-601XL, Corvair (Plans) > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:47 AM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Zenith-List: First flight I became a test pilot and 797AT became a flying machine last evening. The fist flight (of 12 minutes) was a lot of feeling strange sensations that I was not used to but went well overall and the landing was OK. The second flight this morning was very good from the lessons learned last night and my brain ready to accept the new feels. It trims perfect and no rudder input needed for the kind of turns I've made so far. It felt great this morning! Ya-Hooooo! Aaron 601 HDTD 0-200 plans over 11 years 5 months pics to come ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:48 AM PST US From: "Jim Hoak" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight Aaron, Congratulations!! Now you will go through builder withdrawel. Enjoy it. Jim Hoak 601HD - 912UL - 544 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron Gustafson To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 7:54 AM Subject: Zenith-List: First flight I became a test pilot and 797AT became a flying machine last evening. The fist flight (of 12 minutes) was a lot of feeling strange sensations that I was not used to but went well overall and the landing was OK. The second flight this morning was very good from the lessons learned last night and my brain ready to accept the new feels. It trims perfect and no rudder input needed for the kind of turns I've made so far. It felt great this morning! Ya-Hooooo! Aaron 601 HDTD 0-200 plans over 11 years 5 months pics to come ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:41 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight A big congrats to you........ do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Aaron Gustafson" wrote: I became a test pilot and 797AT became a flying machine last evening. T he fist flight (of 12 minutes) was a lot of feeling strange sensations t hat I was not used to but went well overall and the landing was OK. The second flight this morning was very good from the lessons learned last n ight and my brain ready to accept the new feels. It trims perfect and no rudder input needed for the kind of turns I've made so far. It felt gre at this morning! Ya-Hooooo! Aaron 601 HDTD 0-200 plans over ======================== ======================== ======================== -======================== ======================== ===========

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________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:42 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight Congratulations Aaron, A long road to a sweet new beginning. Sounds like you did it right. We'd all like to see pics of your new bird. Do fly safe, Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Aaron Gustafson wrote: > I became a test pilot and 797AT became a flying machine last evening. > The fist flight (of 12 minutes) was a lot of feeling strange > sensations that I was not used to but went well overall and the > landing was OK. The second flight this morning was very good from the > lessons learned last night and my brain ready to accept the new feels. > It trims perfect and no rudder input needed for the kind of turns I've > made so far. It felt great this morning! Ya-Hooooo! > > Aaron 601 HDTD 0-200 plans over 11 years 5 months > pics to come > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:19 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Gross Weight From: "ricklach" Hi Damien, I am currently rebuilding an early 701 airframe, the plans are dated Feb-86, with a gross weight if 880-LBS. I am rebuilding it to the 1100-LB drawings and there are many many differences. Not only the SP parts that differentiate the 960-LB version from the 1100-LB model, but many parts that are on the 1100-LB model do not exist on the 880LB model. The one Im rebuilding flew for a long time and was even upgraded from a 2-cycle Rotax to the 80HP 912 engine. Its being rebuilt because it was crashed, not because it had any airworthiness problems. The early ones are a lighter version but still a very good airplane. Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117608#117608 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:01 AM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Windsheild Rubber Mouldingn 701 Mike, I'll add contact info on my site soon, just haven't had the time lately. I had posted this previously a while back and the answer to your question is here. Some answers to your questions. Hopefully helpful. 1. What is the top window made of, plexiglass or lexan? How about the windshield? Bubble doors? ans: The top window is made of lexan its tough in that it won't crack easy but it will scratch easy. The windshield is plexiglass and will crack easy. Make sure to use the special drill bits to go thru both of them though. You can drill through the lexan/plexiglass right into the tubing by the way with these bits. The bubble doors are plexiglass so be careful drilling also. For cutting plexiglass I used a hand grinder with a fiberglass disc. Cutting the lexan, I scored it with a utility knife and straight edge and snapped the peices off. 2. The plans call for rivets for the top window. With all the talk of cracking lexan or plexiglass, is it wise to use screws instead of rivets? ans: The lexan is very tough and the rivets work fine. You can use screws but most of the installations I've seen are rivets. No cracking at all. I did both installations this past summer in 95 deg weather without issues. I'd be careful working in cold weather with the windshield. My garage is so cold now that I don't even want to look at the project. 3. Is the idea of the diagonal stiffener 7F12-3 to put a bow in the top window? ans: Yes it puts a bow in the top to keep it from flopping around, and tightens it up. It looks good also. 4. Has anyone used some type of weatherstripping or silicone between the window and the upper tubes to keep out water? ans: I used silicone on the side tubes but it just squeezes out to the sides of the tube. The window sits on the top of the tube which does not give a goood surface for silicon. A very thin weather strip would be better or nothing at all since the wing root will cover this area when installed. I would say most of the leakage will occur at the front corners around the windshield/front wing mounts. I will use a cover when its outside. 5. It seems like the rivets at the front upper tube/cabin frame connection will put pressure on the top window, since the cabin frame and rivets are higher than the upper tubes. The same goes for the back gusset, though the plans call for that area to be cut out. ans: This is an area where the instructions do not give any info. Since the cabin frame to the tubes is an important structural area, I did not rivet thru the lexan into the tubes here. At the front, just set the top window on top of the rivets and rivet thru the side tubes only, a little bowing or pressure but it doesn't matter. 6. What about silicone or weatherstripping for the front windshield? Roger at Zenith says his 701 leaks pretty badly during rain. Has anyone managed to keep the water out? ans: I shopped around for the channel and got some useless stuff. I finally got some from Spruce 05-01500 that worked great. It makes the windshield look very nice. The stuff they use on the Czec 701's is really nice but I couldn't find it anywhere. 7. the list archives show that some have used the rubber channel 05-01500 from ACS for the windshield. How did you fasten the channel? ans: That's the part number I used for channel and used polyzap from Tower Hobbies to fasten the channel to the windshied. I would recommend using very fine sandpaper on the windshield to roughen it up a bit where the channel contacts it inside and outside. This will allow the polyzap to bond better. Run a thin line inside the channel and install it quickly, and don't cut the channel to exact size before, trim it off at the ends after installation. This is one of those moments of high stress to not get the stuff all over the windshield. After the windshield was screwed down I ran a line of weather stripping adhesive under the channel where it contacts the airframe. 8. Is there any problem with installing the top window, bubble doors and front windshield before installing the wings? ans: I hope not because I installed mine. You can tape poster board on the top window while installing the wing root to keep from damaging it. Brian 701Builder.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:06 AM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Zenith-List: Air venting Does anyone know of air vents that are available to be fitted to the side of the cockpit skin to direct outside air on the pilot and passenger, I am looking for the type that have a flange on the outside to cover a rough cut opening. Metal or plastic of good quality is desired. If so, I would like to see some pictures or be directed where I can see pictures. In trying to solve a problem of high cockpit heat, I installed heat shield materiel on the firewall and wrapped some tape around the exhaust pipes made by Thermo Tec. This reduced the amount of heat signifently, however it's still too warm for summer flying here in Central Texas Tracy Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:11 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: Air venting Do you mean in addition to the factory NACA vents? How about a vent in the canopy? Spruce p/n CC3251 or 05-01179. Cut the hole by hand with a fly-cutter in under an hour. Pictures attached of a vent installed on Doug Dugger's plane. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2007Individual/Cat07190.pdf -- Craig ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:01 AM PST US From: fred sanford Subject: Zenith-List: re: air venting Hi Robert/Tracy Stone: Check out Vans. They have a vent that fits in the wall, and puts a scoop out into the slipstream. I got two, installed one, but haven't flown with it yet. They also have adapters for the plastic eyeballs, and cheap air hose. http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1181495301-506-117&browse=heatvent&product=10vent_kit Fred Sanford 601XL Jab 60% ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:12 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Firewall angle All- Anyone at this stage in the game knows exactly what I'm doing.This literally came to me in a dream. 5 minute set-up, dead nuts accuracy. Save a tree! This has probably been posted before. If the same idea's in the archives, stomp on this post. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:33 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Firewall angle Neat! Just don't forget that the floor is angled too. Three degrees according to the diagram in the upper right corner of 6B15. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:50 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Air venting robert stone wrote: *Tracy, You can make your own channel for the inside behind a NACA opening and add a louvered adjustable air vent out of a GM auto for very little. They work very well so long as you position the NACA intake at or forward of the leading edge of the aircraft. Air vents over the wing can actually suck air from the cabin or minimize the flow due to wing lift. I built my own and it only takes a little time. There are commercial equivalents, but most get into your panel with a spherical vent. The GM vents are cylindrical and have adjustable louvers. About $3.00 for both. See links, http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/NACAvent.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/freshairassy.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/freshairassy2.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/outletventright.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/outletvent.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/601ezclosefrtrt.gif Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com * > Does anyone know of air vents that are available to be fitted to > the side of the cockpit skin to direct outside air on the pilot and > passenger, I am looking for the type that have a flange on the > outside to cover a rough cut opening. Metal or plastic of good > quality is desired. If so, I would like to see some pictures or be > directed where I can see pictures. > In trying to solve a problem of high cockpit heat, I installed > heat shield materiel on the firewall and wrapped some tape around the > exhaust pipes made by Thermo Tec. This reduced the amount of heat > signifently, however it's still too warm for summer flying here in > Central Texas > > Tracy Stone > Harker Heights, Tx > ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:18 PM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight Here's a couple pictures of my new flying 601HD, 0-200, Grove gear, and gull wing doors. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/AGCB2/My%20601%20HDTD/E-pre1stflightpose.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/AGCB2/My%20601%20HDTD/E-1stlandingwave.jpg Aaron ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:20 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight Hi Aaron ,nice looking plane and congratulations on your first flight .I am also using an 0200 Cont. ,did you make your cowling are did you buy it .If you bought it could you tell me where . Thanks DO NOT ARCHIVE Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Gustafson" Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight > > > Here's a couple pictures of my new flying 601HD, 0-200, Grove gear, and > gull wing doors. > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/AGCB2/My%20601%20HDTD/E-pre1stflightpose.jpg > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/AGCB2/My%20601%20HDTD/E-1stlandingwave.jpg > > Aaron > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:51 PM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight > Hi Aaron ,nice looking plane and congratulations on your first flight .I > am > also using an 0200 Cont. ,did you make your cowling are did you buy it .If > you bought it could you tell me where . Thanks DO NOT ARCHIVE > Wade Jones South Texas I built the cowl. In fact I built it all. The only thing I purchased from ZAC was the plans and since then have never been in contact w/ them. I do receive the Zenair newsletter. It also has fabricated metal wing tips where most buy the fiberglass ones and I layed up the rudder fairing. It was a good learning experience over all. Aaron ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:47 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight Good looking airplane Aaron! I believe the first gull wing canopy that I've ever seen that was uncluttered looking. Nice job! Larry McFarland (also a plans built 601HDS) at www.macsmachine.com Aaron Gustafson wrote: > > > Here's a couple pictures of my new flying 601HD, 0-200, Grove gear, > and gull wing doors. > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/AGCB2/My%20601%20HDTD/E-pre1stflightpose.jpg > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/AGCB2/My%20601%20HDTD/E-1stlandingwave.jpg > > > Aaron > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:07 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Zenith-List: XL TD I have tried to get information several times with nothing but silence. Are there no XL TD builders who are flying on this list? I have several requests: 1. I am interested in the weights from the three scales with the airplane leveled for weight and balance determination. The CG location and condition of the plane, empty, gross, etc. would also be useful. 2. I have the $45 plans for the TD conversion from ZAC. However, the illustrated builders guide appears to have at least three different structural configurations depicted all mixed together. Is this so? If it is, then how difficult is it to dope out the correct path when scratch building that area? The reason I am concerned is that the TD conversion appears to be "rube goldberg-y" compared to the tricycle version. The factory assures me that it is fine but based on a career exposed directly to aircraft engineering, I am concerned with the longevity of the design with that conversion installed. Since I plan to do a TD only build, It is a big issue if I ever need to convert to nose gear. If there are any TD builder/flyers out there on this list, please respond or at least respond off list if need be. If any others know of a builder that is not on the list and would forward my e-mail to them I would also be grateful. Thank you very much. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:22 PM PST US From: "Kevin L. Rupert" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL TD Dave, I'm building a TD with a Corvair but I'm not going to be much help right now because I'm just getting the parts gathered together. I haven't driven a rivet yet. But I am located in PA. Lewistown to be exact. Kevin R. 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:43 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XL TD Your best source of Tail dragger information would be Gus at HYPERLINK "http://www.flywithgus.com/"www.flywithgus.com Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK "http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Downey Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: Zenith-List: XL TD I have tried to get information several times with nothing but silence. Are there no XL TD builders who are flying on this list? I have several requests: 1. I am interested in the weights from the three scales with the airplane leveled for weight and balance determination. The CG location and condition of the plane, empty, gross, etc. would also be useful. 2. I have the $45 plans for the TD conversion from ZAC. However, the illustrated builders guide appears to have at least three different structural configurations depicted all mixed together. Is this so? If it is, then how difficult is it to dope out the correct path when scratch building that area? The reason I am concerned is that the TD conversion appears to be "rube goldberg-y" compared to the tricycle version. The factory assures me that it is fine but based on a career exposed directly to aircraft engineering, I am concerned with the longevity of the design with that conversion installed. Since I plan to do a TD only build, It is a big issue if I ever need to convert to nose gear. If there are any TD builder/flyers out there on this list, please respond or at least respond off list if need be. If any others know of a builder that is not on the list and would forward my e-mail to them I would also be grateful. Thank you very much. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? _____ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun HYPERLINK "http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48248/*http:/search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_ on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz"summer activities for kids. "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 10:46 AM 10:46 AM ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:41 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Air venting Larry, That is a real work of art :) Bob Spudis do not archive In a message dated 6/10/2007 5:23:07 P.M. 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