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1. 04:56 AM - Re: Re: Chat (Rob St Denis)
2. 05:07 AM - Re: Re: Chat (Ken Arnold)
3. 05:43 AM - Re: Re: joke for the day (Juan Vega)
4. 05:45 AM - Vent cutting (Juan Vega)
5. 05:45 AM - Re: Re:701 bungee (Juan Vega)
6. 05:54 AM - Need help!! (ZodieRocket)
7. 06:09 AM - Re: Re: First flight (Aaron Gustafson)
8. 07:33 AM - Re: Vent cutting (robert stone)
9. 07:51 AM - Re: Firewall angle (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
10. 07:51 AM - Re: Vent cutting (Paul Mulwitz)
11. 08:31 AM - Re: 601 xl wing skins (PatrickW)
12. 09:21 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 06/11/07 (Joe)
13. 10:03 AM - Re: Air venting (Craig Payne)
14. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: Chat (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
15. 11:40 AM - Re: Air venting (Juan Vega)
16. 11:40 AM - Re: Vent cutting (Juan Vega)
17. 11:41 AM - Re: Vent cutting (Juan Vega)
18. 01:46 PM - Re: 601XL TD (Ron DeWees)
19. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 06/11/07 (LarryMcFarland)
20. 03:18 PM - HDS Firewall angle (Bill Naumuk)
21. 04:04 PM - Re: 601 xl wing skins (dgardea(at)gmail.com)
22. 04:21 PM - Air venting (Frank Derfler)
23. 04:25 PM - Re: joke for the day (Frank Derfler)
24. 04:27 PM - Re: 601 xl wing skins (chris Sinfield)
25. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: 601 xl wing skins (Ashley)
26. 04:31 PM - Re: Vent cutting (robert stone)
27. 04:49 PM - Re: Vent cutting (R.P.)
28. 04:58 PM - Vent cutting (George Swinford)
29. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: 601 xl wing skins (Paul Mulwitz)
30. 05:15 PM - Header tank (Bill Naumuk)
31. 05:33 PM - Re: HDS Firewall angle (Elden Jacobson)
32. 05:42 PM - Cowling / 601XL (CHETKRU@aol.com)
33. 06:13 PM - Re: HDS Firewall angle (Jeff)
34. 06:17 PM - Re: HDS Firewall angle (Bill Naumuk)
35. 07:22 PM - Re: 701 nose gear (billmileski)
36. 10:10 PM - Re: HDS Firewall angle (Craig Payne)
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Well I'd have to say this worked out rather well, 8 users came to chit chat
about their 601's 701's 801's and one lowly 640 (me)
Figure we will make it a weekly get together mondays at 8pm edt
Rob
waiting on 640 tail kit (rudder complete)
On 6/8/07, Rob St Denis <rob@iahu.ca> wrote:
>
> Go nuts thats what its there for. The site has plenty of bandwidth so
> could handle a pile of people.
>
> I will be there
>
> On 6/7/07, leinad < leinad@hughes.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Rob
> > If it's OK with you I'd like to try using your chat? I've registered,
> > and plan to be there Monday night (June 11) around 8:00 EST as a
> > test. Anyone interested? What time would be convenient?
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > robertstdenis wrote:
> > > Or what about us ch640 builders ?
> > >
> > > If ya want a chat, I set one up at chat.iahu.ca (http://chat.iahu.ca )
> > a long time ago which is not being used
> > >
> > > Rob
> > > Hanmer Ontario
> > > ch640 stabilator (should be here soon the shops ready to roll)
> > >
> > > do not archive.
> > >
> > > ---
> >
> >
> > --------
> > Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117197#117197
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Excellent first chat. I will be back.
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob St Denis
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat
Well I'd have to say this worked out rather well, 8 users came to chit
chat about their 601's 701's 801's and one lowly 640 (me)
Figure we will make it a weekly get together mondays at 8pm edt
Rob
waiting on 640 tail kit (rudder complete)
On 6/8/07, Rob St Denis <rob@iahu.ca> wrote:
Go nuts thats what its there for. The site has plenty of bandwidth
so could handle a pile of people.
I will be there
On 6/7/07, leinad < leinad@hughes.net> wrote:
Rob
If it's OK with you I'd like to try using your chat? I've
registered, and plan to be there Monday night (June 11) around 8:00 EST
as a test. Anyone interested? What time would be convenient?
Dan
robertstdenis wrote:
> Or what about us ch640 builders ?
>
> If ya want a chat, I set one up at chat.iahu.ca
(http://chat.iahu.ca ) a long time ago which is not being used
>
> Rob
> Hanmer Ontario
> ch640 stabilator (should be here soon the shops ready to roll)
>
> do not archive.
>
> ---
--------
Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117197#117197
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
on the fly fishing in boca grand, just pick a spot. it is a fly fisherman's paradise.
some guides just do fly.
checked on the paint job, looks good. it will be Base WHite with a navy metalic
blue bottom, and of course a red pin stripe.
JUan
-----Original Message-----
>From: kevinbonds <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>Sent: Jun 12, 2007 1:13 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
>
>
>I don't think this is appropriate conversation for . . . Ha Ha just kidding.
>I'm waiting on that serious one though. Anyone what to make a wager on when
>it will come through.
>
>Anyway, I'm a fly-fisherman. I have always wanted to do some saltwater
>fly-fishing. Anywhere around there to do that? Sounds like a fun trip once
>my plane is done. Daydreaming, about these sorts of things, keeps me going
>during those long building sessions. And that is VERY relevant in my
>opinion. Thanks for that.
>
>Also I agree with Tracy Stone; ignore people who are just trying to be
>disagreeable. I was addressed last week for making a dry joke. You'll notice
>I pretty much ignored it, and resisted the urge to answer back. Thought it
>would be a worse crime to add emails to the situation. Just found the whole
>situation ironic anyway.
>
>Kevin Bonds
>
>Nashville TN
>
>
>601XL Plans building.
>
>
>http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>
>
>do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Juan Vega
>Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 3:38 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com; zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: joke for the day
>
>
>Bill,
>to answer your question, went with a guide on two separate ocassions while
>there. great fun!
>Boca Grand in FLorida is 70 miles south of St, Petersburg/Tampa FLA. A
>
>
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anyone recommend a certain fly cutter to punch the hole in the canopy for the 3
1/2 vents? I am sweating that procedure.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
>Sent: Jun 11, 2007 7:48 PM
>To: Zenith list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Disagreeable members of the Zenith Net
>
>Guys this is only my opinion but I have found that most people who insist on having
their way have a great big ego that needs feeding and the way they feed
it is by getting their way. Therefore the best way to deal with someone like
that is do not respond to anything he or she says. Ignore them in total. They
will soon get the message and start making sugestions and/or providing answers
to questions and behaving like a lady or gentleman.
>
>Tracy Stone
>Harker Heights, Tx
>ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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look at the 601.org website. i think its there.
-----Original Message-----
>From: RClaggf4u@aol.com
>Sent: Jun 11, 2007 6:30 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:701 bungee
>
>I remember seeing a tool someone made to install the bungee while everything
>is on the plane. It was on a members web site or the CH701.com cool tool
>list. Look like it would work to me.
>Wayne Clagg
>701 going on gear tonight.
>
>
>
>************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Hi List, I am in need of help. I have a 8.5 X 20 foot trailer in the
shop getting pictures applied as a show trailer. The one picture I
choose has printed out poorly, this picture was to cover the whole side
of the trailer. Now here is where I need your help! Does anyone know who
owns this picture? Or if you have a 701 on floats and want it to show up
at airshows on the side of my trailer I would be happy to change this
photo out. I have to have this or a new pictrue into the shop by
tomorrow morning. So please if you have anything let me know, send a
small picture and if I choose your plane I will need a high resolution
shot later today.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
HYPERLINK
"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
10:46 AM
6/12/2007 6:39 AM
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
> Aaron,
> Congradulations. What a thrill that must have been.
> Now that you have had a chance to test it out, give us a report on the
> performance of the Grove gear. How did it feel compared to what you have
> been flying? How would you classify it? Firm? Springy?
> do not archive
Bob and all
I will report perfomance figures when I get it all sorted out. As far as the
Grove gear, I rode in one just like mine with the stock gear and this one
rides much better. It is designed for 1220 gross and I am flying at just
over 1000 so far so we'll see when we get a heavier load. I am using a not
too smooth grass strip now. Speed seems to be what I had hoped for at 90-95
MPH at 1800 RPM (0-200 Cont.) Still have to check the ASI though.
Aaron
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| Subject: | Re: Vent cutting |
Juan,
On plexiglass a fine tooth hole saw might be a better tool to use if
you can find one with fine teeth that is the right size. I have ordered two
or I should say a pair of plastic vents from Aircraft Spruce that are
designed to go on the side of the canopy that will direct cool air to the
upper areas of the cockpit and I plan to use a hole saw to cut the required
hole in the canopy side. I will post the results with pictures on this
forum when the job is done.
Tracy Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:44 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Vent cutting
>
> anyone recommend a certain fly cutter to punch the hole in the canopy for
> the 3 1/2 vents? I am sweating that procedure.
> Juan
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
>>Sent: Jun 11, 2007 7:48 PM
>>To: Zenith list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Disagreeable members of the Zenith Net
>>
>>Guys this is only my opinion but I have found that most people who insist
>>on having their way have a great big ego that needs feeding and the way
>>they feed it is by getting their way. Therefore the best way to deal with
>>someone like that is do not respond to anything he or she says. Ignore
>>them in total. They will soon get the message and start making sugestions
>>and/or providing answers to questions and behaving like a lady or
>>gentleman.
>>
>>Tracy Stone
>>Harker Heights, Tx
>>ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall angle |
In a message dated 6/11/2007 9:53:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
naumuk@alltel.net writes:
To answer all the well intentioned XL-ers out there, the bottom left diagram
of 6-F-6 of the HDS plans call for "Angle between the floor skin and
firewall, 80 degrees".
Bill, this 80 degree is also on 6F-9 in two places but on 6F-8 the lower
engine mount bolts are shown as 10 degree and upper ones at 13 degrees. Not sure
how you can explain all the difference degrees.
Also 6E-3 has the engine mount at 103 degrees to the firewall and (?)
crankshaft. Tolerance: Thrust Line within +/- 5 degrees to top longeron (up or
down).
Jerry-GA
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Vent cutting |
Hi Juan,
If it is similar to drilling through plexiglass I would recommend
using a hole saw and running it backwards. That way you burn through
the plastic and won't make cracks. Before using the saw, drill a
hole for the center using standard plastic drill or other zero rake
drill bit. If necessary, run it backwards too.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 05:44 AM 6/12/2007, you wrote:
>
>anyone recommend a certain fly cutter to punch the hole in the
>canopy for the 3 1/2 vents? I am sweating that procedure.
>Juan
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| Subject: | Re: 601 xl wing skins |
My wing kit shipped on 2/2/07.
Pre-drilled holes were fine on mine (at least for the right wing - will know about
the left wing in a coulpe weeks...)
My skins didn't have the tie down holes drilled. They did have all the pilot holes
for the ribs drilled, as well as the access panel holes for the aileron belcrank
& fuel sender areas. They were also marked (but not cut) for where to
cut the landing light (which was fine by me since I'm not going with a wing mounted
landing light).
Hope this data point helps somebody.
Patrick
XL/Corvair
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118019#118019
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 06/11/07 |
Help!
I need a B1 Instrument Bulkhead. I contacted Zenith and they no longer make
the part. Does anyone have one for sale, or is there anyone who can make one
for me from your form blocks? This would save me a lot of time.
It looks like there was a change in bulkhead size. I received one from
Zenith that was smaller than the plans called for. I need the one from the
12/2 plans that measures 938 cm side to side. Zenith no longer makes this
item. Thanks!!!!!
Joe in Oshkosh
920-237-1450
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My foggy memory thinks people used WD-40 with the hand-turned fly cutter to
make the opening in the canopy. But this is second-hand.
Do your NACA vents lead to eyeball vents in the panel? If so you might try
larger 2 inch eyeball vents:
http://www.steinair.com/eyeballvents.htm
http://www.creativair.com/aluminum-vent-p-98.html
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/largealumav.php
-- Craig
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Gentlemen:
I'm glad it went well and I'm sorry I could not make it.
Here's a suggestion: someone please post a note on Mondays reminding
knuckleheads like me that the chat is scheduled....I'd forget my head if it wasn't
bolted onto my shoulders !!!
Thank you
Tracy Smith
601XL N458XL (reserved)
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 6/12/2007 7:08:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
arno7452@bellsouth.net writes:
Excellent first chat. I will be back.
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: _Rob St Denis_ (mailto:rob@iahu.ca)
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat
Well I'd have to say this worked out rather well, 8 users came to chit chat
about their 601's 701's 801's and one lowly 640 (me)
Figure we will make it a weekly get together mondays at 8pm edt
Rob
waiting on 640 tail kit (rudder complete)
On 6/8/07, Rob St Denis <_rob@iahu.ca_ (mailto:rob@iahu.ca) > wrote:
Go nuts thats what its there for. The site has plenty of bandwidth so
could handle a pile of people.
I will be there
On 6/7/07, leinad <_ leinad@hughes.net_ (mailto:leinad@hughes.net) > wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" < _leinad@hughes.net_
(mailto:leinad@hughes.net) >
Rob
If it's OK with you I'd like to try using your chat? I've registered, and
plan to be there Monday night (June 11) around 8:00 EST as a test. Anyone
interested? What time would be convenient?
Dan
robertstdenis wrote:
> Or what about us ch640 builders ?
>
> If ya want a chat, I set one up at _chat.iahu.ca_ (http://chat.iahu.ca/)
(_http://chat.iahu.ca _ (http://chat.iahu.ca/) ) a long time ago which is not
being used
>
> Rob
> Hanmer Ontario
> ch640 stabilator (should be here soon the shops ready to roll)
>
> do not archive.
>
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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eye ball vents are just not enough in the noon FLorida sun.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
>Sent: Jun 12, 2007 1:02 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air venting
>
>My foggy memory thinks people used WD-40 with the hand-turned fly cutter to
>make the opening in the canopy. But this is second-hand.
>
>Do your NACA vents lead to eyeball vents in the panel? If so you might try
>larger 2 inch eyeball vents:
>
>http://www.steinair.com/eyeballvents.htm
>http://www.creativair.com/aluminum-vent-p-98.html
>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/largealumav.php
>
>-- Craig
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vent cutting |
got it run it backwards, thanx.
juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>Sent: Jun 12, 2007 10:52 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vent cutting
>
>
>Hi Juan,
>
>If it is similar to drilling through plexiglass I would recommend
>using a hole saw and running it backwards. That way you burn through
>the plastic and won't make cracks. Before using the saw, drill a
>hole for the center using standard plastic drill or other zero rake
>drill bit. If necessary, run it backwards too.
>
>Paul
>XL fuselage
>
>At 05:44 AM 6/12/2007, you wrote:
>>
>>anyone recommend a certain fly cutter to punch the hole in the
>>canopy for the 3 1/2 vents? I am sweating that procedure.
>>Juan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vent cutting |
that would be great. thanx
-----Original Message-----
>From: robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
>Sent: Jun 12, 2007 10:31 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vent cutting
>
>
>Juan,
> On plexiglass a fine tooth hole saw might be a better tool to use if
>you can find one with fine teeth that is the right size. I have ordered two
>or I should say a pair of plastic vents from Aircraft Spruce that are
>designed to go on the side of the canopy that will direct cool air to the
>upper areas of the cockpit and I plan to use a hole saw to cut the required
>hole in the canopy side. I will post the results with pictures on this
>forum when the job is done.
>
>Tracy Stone
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>; "Zenith list" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:44 AM
>Subject: Zenith-List: Vent cutting
>
>
>>
>> anyone recommend a certain fly cutter to punch the hole in the canopy for
>> the 3 1/2 vents? I am sweating that procedure.
>> Juan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
>>>Sent: Jun 11, 2007 7:48 PM
>>>To: Zenith list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: Zenith-List: Disagreeable members of the Zenith Net
>>>
>>>Guys this is only my opinion but I have found that most people who insist
>>>on having their way have a great big ego that needs feeding and the way
>>>they feed it is by getting their way. Therefore the best way to deal with
>>>someone like that is do not respond to anything he or she says. Ignore
>>>them in total. They will soon get the message and start making sugestions
>>>and/or providing answers to questions and behaving like a lady or
>>>gentleman.
>>>
>>>Tracy Stone
>>>Harker Heights, Tx
>>>ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Hi Dave,
I don't have any experience with the XL TD conversion, but have 180
happy hours on a HDS TD and really like it. Don't know how the XL
conversion is done but the HDS works very well. Write me off list if I
can help in any way.
rdewees@mindspring.com
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 06/11/07 |
Joe,
Get a piece of 5/8 plywood and lay it out. Cut it out. Trace it on a
piece of aluminum, add flanges and bend it.
Lots faster than UPS if one were available. You have the drawing. It's
about two hours if you stick with
the plans. You'll spend 20 times that putting in gages, switches etc.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Joe wrote:
>
> Help!
>
> I need a B1 Instrument Bulkhead. I contacted Zenith and they no longer
> make the part. Does anyone have one for sale, or is there anyone who
> can make one for me from your form blocks? This would save me a lot of
> time.
>
> It looks like there was a change in bulkhead size. I received one from
> Zenith that was smaller than the plans called for. I need the one from
> the 12/2 plans that measures 938 cm side to side. Zenith no longer
> makes this item. Thanks!!!!!
>
> Joe in Oshkosh
> 920-237-1450
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| Subject: | HDS Firewall angle |
Jerry-
Now you see why I don't fart without a can of Renuzit on hand!
Pure speculation, but I don't think the firewall engine mount bolts
necessarily have to match the firewall. You're trying to match the
engine mount geometry.
Only one way to solve this- what did all you other HDS builders set
the angle at? Not that you can't bend the parts 1/8" either way to make
up the difference.
At the same time, if you have a +/- 5 degree tolerance, I'm covered
either way.
Amazing that now there are now 40 pages of builder's manual devoted
to the subject for the XL, but you drop off the end of the earth for the
HD/HDS mid-way into the fuse. Saw a lotta 10+ year old HDSs at
Brampford!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeyoung65@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Firewall angle
In a message dated 6/11/2007 9:53:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
naumuk@alltel.net writes:
To answer all the well intentioned XL-ers out there, the bottom left
diagram of 6-F-6 of the HDS plans call for "Angle between the floor skin
and firewall, 80 degrees".
Bill, this 80 degree is also on 6F-9 in two places but on 6F-8 the
lower engine mount bolts are shown as 10 degree and upper ones at 13
degrees. Not sure how you can explain all the difference degrees.
Also 6E-3 has the engine mount at 103 degrees to the firewall and (?)
crankshaft. Tolerance: Thrust Line within +/- 5 degrees to top longeron
(up or down).
Jerry-GA
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| Subject: | Re: 601 xl wing skins |
Floyd,
I picked up my wing kit about a week before you and feel I got the same skins.
I talked with Caleb last week about swapping rear ribs #9 to put the web on the
side in agreement with with mis-cut tiedown slot. They were aware of the error
and have since corrected .. unlucky us. I did this rib swap last weekend and
have also noticed that the skins not lining up at the i/b and o/b ends like
you. I mentioned this and he said the difference can be made up in trimming for
the wing tips and when mounting the root to the fuselage. I suppose when I
get there seeing will be believing, but was not happy with the overall quality
of these CNC cut skins. On the nose rib, I had to moved it inboard of spar L
attachment and trimmed the aft edge to fit. This made the predrilled holes work,
but not perfect. Did he offer to swap your bad skins for good ones?
--------
Dave Gardea
601XL - Corvair
working on wings
http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/
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But, the NACA vent blowing up your shorts is the best angle of attack
indicator money can buy. I use it to judge climb speed/angle, to set cruise
configuration, and to judge final approach. Why do you want it blowing on
your chest? You are losing a valuable flight instrument!
Frank Derfler AMD-Built 601XL N183AM
See my information for pilots at www.flyinflorida.com
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| Subject: | Re: joke for the day |
Regarding fishing at Boca Grande... (the locals add the "e") I would
suggest Charlotte County airport as being very friendly to GA pilots. See
(full disclosure: my website)
http://www.flyinflorida.com/images/Charlotte_County_Airport.pdf
--
Frank Derfler AMD-made 601XL 183AM
See my information for pilots at www.flyinflorida.com
See my book reviews at www.greatguybooks.com
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| Subject: | Re: 601 xl wing skins |
Yes
I to had a Late May kit and did not find out till the other day that my Bottom
Fuse rear skin predrilled holes were wrong. Around the rear access door cross
stringer it should have been pitch 40 but mine were all a very even pitch 28..
Yep phoned up and now I have twice as many rivests holding that section together..
Yep they had problems setting upo the new machine that they missed. the rest were
all OK and now the people behind us are in a better off position..
Chris.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 xl wing skins |
I swapped the nose rib with the other wing and it lined up OK.
As the first they really knew of the problem was when I called, no they did
not offer to send more skins.
Between my call to him and his return call, he pulled all the skins from the
shelf so no more would be shipped.
I believe that the fiberglass wing tips do have enough flange to cover the
problem and probably the molding will cover the root.
Hopefully I will be able to verify this latter this week.
Floyd Wilkes
----- Original Message -----
From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" <dgardea@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:01 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 xl wing skins
> <dgardea@gmail.com>
>
> Floyd,
>
> I picked up my wing kit about a week before you and feel I got the same
> skins. I talked with Caleb last week about swapping rear ribs #9 to put
> the web on the side in agreement with with mis-cut tiedown slot. They were
> aware of the error and have since corrected .. unlucky us. I did this rib
> swap last weekend and have also noticed that the skins not lining up at
> the i/b and o/b ends like you. I mentioned this and he said the difference
> can be made up in trimming for the wing tips and when mounting the root to
> the fuselage. I suppose when I get there seeing will be believing, but
> was not happy with the overall quality of these CNC cut skins. On the nose
> rib, I had to moved it inboard of spar L attachment and trimmed the aft
> edge to fit. This made the predrilled holes work, but not perfect. Did he
> offer to swap your bad skins for good ones?
>
> --------
> Dave Gardea
> 601XL - Corvair
> working on wings
> http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118123#118123
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vent cutting |
Well guys I ran into a litle trouble. When I used a hole saw or a fly
cutter on a piece of scrap plexiglass I found the center hole starts to
elongate and this causes the cutting edge of either tool to wander. I saw a
post where one member/builder used a flycutter and turned it by hand. I
will try this method next and report to the group as to how the cut turned
out. I have a feeling that the hand turning will work out. Since my dad,
Bob is retired, he will do the work since he has a lot more time than I do.
Tracy Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vent cutting
> Juan,
> On plexiglass a fine tooth hole saw might be a better tool to use if
> you can find one with fine teeth that is the right size. I have ordered
> two or I should say a pair of plastic vents from Aircraft Spruce that are
> designed to go on the side of the canopy that will direct cool air to the
> upper areas of the cockpit and I plan to use a hole saw to cut the
> required hole in the canopy side. I will post the results with pictures
> on this forum when the job is done.
>
> Tracy Stone
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>; "Zenith list" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:44 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Vent cutting
>
>
>>
>> anyone recommend a certain fly cutter to punch the hole in the canopy for
>> the 3 1/2 vents? I am sweating that procedure.
>> Juan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
>>>Sent: Jun 11, 2007 7:48 PM
>>>To: Zenith list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: Zenith-List: Disagreeable members of the Zenith Net
>>>
>>>Guys this is only my opinion but I have found that most people who insist
>>>on having their way have a great big ego that needs feeding and the way
>>>they feed it is by getting their way. Therefore the best way to deal
>>>with someone like that is do not respond to anything he or she says.
>>>Ignore them in total. They will soon get the message and start making
>>>sugestions and/or providing answers to questions and behaving like a lady
>>>or gentleman.
>>>
>>>Tracy Stone
>>>Harker Heights, Tx
>>>ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vent cutting |
If the problem is caused by the flutes of the pilot drill shaving the sides
of the pilot hole you migh try replacing the pilot drill with a 1/4" bolt.
Loosen the allen screw in the holesaw or flycutter and remove the drill bit.
Replace the drill bit with a 1/4" bolt.
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vent cutting
>
> Well guys I ran into a litle trouble. When I used a hole saw or a fly
> cutter on a piece of scrap plexiglass I found the center hole starts to
> elongate and this causes the cutting edge of either tool to wander. I saw
> a post where one member/builder used a flycutter and turned it by hand. I
> will try this method next and report to the group as to how the cut turned
> out. I have a feeling that the hand turning will work out. Since my dad,
> Bob is retired, he will do the work since he has a lot more time than I
> do.
>
> Tracy Stone
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "robert stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vent cutting
>
>
>> Juan,
>> On plexiglass a fine tooth hole saw might be a better tool to use if
>> you can find one with fine teeth that is the right size. I have ordered
>> two or I should say a pair of plastic vents from Aircraft Spruce that are
>> designed to go on the side of the canopy that will direct cool air to the
>> upper areas of the cockpit and I plan to use a hole saw to cut the
>> required hole in the canopy side. I will post the results with pictures
>> on this forum when the job is done.
>>
>> Tracy Stone
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>; "Zenith list"
>> <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:44 AM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Vent cutting
>>
>>
>>>
>>> anyone recommend a certain fly cutter to punch the hole in the canopy
>>> for the 3 1/2 vents? I am sweating that procedure.
>>> Juan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
>>>>Sent: Jun 11, 2007 7:48 PM
>>>>To: Zenith list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>>>Subject: Zenith-List: Disagreeable members of the Zenith Net
>>>>
>>>>Guys this is only my opinion but I have found that most people who
>>>>insist on having their way have a great big ego that needs feeding and
>>>>the way they feed it is by getting their way. Therefore the best way to
>>>>deal with someone like that is do not respond to anything he or she
>>>>says. Ignore them in total. They will soon get the message and start
>>>>making sugestions and/or providing answers to questions and behaving
>>>>like a lady or gentleman.
>>>>
>>>>Tracy Stone
>>>>Harker Heights, Tx
>>>>ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM
>
>
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When using a hole saw or fly cutter on plexiglass, try replacing the
drill bit in the center with a piece of drill rod of the same diameter.
That should keep the center hole from elongating if you keep the drill
speed slow.
George
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| Subject: | Re: 601 xl wing skins |
Just a note of frustration for all you guys who are suffering from
errors in the newly "Engineered" pre-drilled skins, etc. This all
makes me think that my next CH601XL will be scratch built.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 04:27 PM 6/12/2007, you wrote:
><chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
>
>Yes
> I to had a Late May kit and did not find out till the other day
> that my Bottom Fuse rear skin predrilled holes were wrong. Around
> the rear access door cross stringer it should have been pitch 40
> but mine were all a very even pitch 28.. Yep phoned up and now I
> have twice as many rivests holding that section together..
>
>Yep they had problems setting upo the new machine that they missed.
>the rest were all OK and now the people behind us are in a better
>off position..
>Chris.
>Do Not archive.
>
>
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All-
Due to avionics space constrictions, I'm going to have to go with
another fuel system. I'm offering my stock 601 header tank for 1/2 price
to anyone going with a more basic panel. Still in the original kit
packaging. Will consider trading even-up for one of the Zenith small
(8-10 gal?) header tanks. Let me know the dimensions.
Contact me offlist.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: HDS Firewall angle |
Bill
You refer to "40 pages of builder's manual..." What manuel is that?
Elden Jacobson
XL/Jabiru
Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
Jerry-
Now you see why I don't fart without a can of Renuzit on hand!
Pure speculation, but I don't think the firewall engine mount bolts necessarily
have to match the firewall. You're trying to match the engine mount geometry.
Only one way to solve this- what did all you other HDS builders set the angle
at? Not that you can't bend the parts 1/8" either way to make up the difference.
At the same time, if you have a +/- 5 degree tolerance, I'm covered either
way.
Amazing that now there are now 40 pages of builder's manual devoted to the
subject for the XL, but you drop off the end of the earth for the HD/HDS mid-way
into the fuse. Saw a lotta 10+ year old HDSs at Brampford!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeyoung65@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Firewall angle
In a message dated 6/11/2007 9:53:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, naumuk@alltel.net
writes:
To answer all the well intentioned XL-ers out there, the bottom left diagram
of 6-F-6 of the HDS plans call for "Angle between the floor skin and firewall,
80 degrees".
Bill, this 80 degree is also on 6F-9 in two places but on 6F-8 the lower engine
mount bolts are shown as 10 degree and upper ones at 13 degrees. Not sure how
you can explain all the difference degrees.
Also 6E-3 has the engine mount at 103 degrees to the firewall and (?) crankshaft.
Tolerance: Thrust Line within +/- 5 degrees to top longeron (up or down).
Jerry-GA
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Hi Folks, I am now starting to install my cowling and I am looking for some
photos or tips for a Lyc 0-235 cowling installation. My aircraft is a kit
project. All help greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Chet Kruleski
Las Vegas, NV
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| Subject: | HDS Firewall angle |
Go to http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-manuals.html Then click on the link
for "Construction Standards for Zenith Light Airplanes". This is in the
builder's section of the ZAC web site so you may need the builder sign on.
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elden Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HDS Firewall angle
Bill
You refer to "40 pages of builder's manual..." What manuel is that?
Elden Jacobson
XL/Jabiru
Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
Jerry-
Now you see why I don't fart without a can of Renuzit on hand!
Pure speculation, but I don't think the firewall engine mount bolts
necessarily have to match the firewall. You're trying to match the engine
mount geometry.
Only one way to solve this- what did all you other HDS builders set the
angle at? Not that you can't bend the parts 1/8" either way to make up the
difference.
At the same time, if you have a +/- 5 degree tolerance, I'm covered
either way.
Amazing that now there are now 40 pages of builder's manual devoted to
the subject for the XL, but you drop off the end of the earth for the HD/HDS
mid-way into the fuse. Saw a lotta 10+ year old HDSs at Brampford!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeyoung65@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Firewall angle
In a message dated 6/11/2007 9:53:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
naumuk@alltel.net writes:
To answer all the well intentioned XL-ers out there, the bottom left diagram
of 6-F-6 of the HDS plans call for "Angle between the floor skin and
firewall, 80 degrees".
Bill, this 80 degree is also on 6F-9 in two places but on 6F-8 the lower
engine mount bolts are shown as 10 degree and upper ones at 13 degrees. Not
sure how you can explain all the difference degrees.
Also 6E-3 has the engine mount at 103 degrees to the firewall and (?)
crankshaft. Tolerance: Thrust Line within +/- 5 degrees to top longeron (up
or down).
Jerry-GA
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| Subject: | Re: HDS Firewall angle |
Elden-
The photo manual that's available online through the Zenith website.
Since you're an XL builder, you should have the DVD that is a duplicate.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Elden Jacobson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HDS Firewall angle
Bill
You refer to "40 pages of builder's manual..." What manuel is that?
Elden Jacobson
XL/Jabiru
Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
Jerry-
Now you see why I don't fart without a can of Renuzit on hand!
Pure speculation, but I don't think the firewall engine mount
bolts necessarily have to match the firewall. You're trying to match the
engine mount geometry.
Only one way to solve this- what did all you other HDS builders
set the angle at? Not that you can't bend the parts 1/8" either way to
make up the difference.
At the same time, if you have a +/- 5 degree tolerance, I'm
covered either way.
Amazing that now there are now 40 pages of builder's manual
devoted to the subject for the XL, but you drop off the end of the earth
for the HD/HDS mid-way into the fuse. Saw a lotta 10+ year old HDSs at
Brampford!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeyoung65@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Firewall angle
In a message dated 6/11/2007 9:53:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
naumuk@alltel.net writes:
To answer all the well intentioned XL-ers out there, the bottom
left diagram of 6-F-6 of the HDS plans call for "Angle between the floor
skin and firewall, 80 degrees".
Bill, this 80 degree is also on 6F-9 in two places but on 6F-8 the
lower engine mount bolts are shown as 10 degree and upper ones at 13
degrees. Not sure how you can explain all the difference degrees.
Also 6E-3 has the engine mount at 103 degrees to the firewall and
(?) crankshaft. Tolerance: Thrust Line within +/- 5 degrees to top
longeron (up or down).
Jerry-GA
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| Subject: | Re: 701 nose gear |
Rick,
Okay, I can't remember much about when I did it, but I'll try..
It turned out to be pretty easy.. Cowling off..
I tied the tail down to lift the nose wheel off of the ground..
Then I seem to remember just working the bungee off of the front peg by hand. With
the bungee off of the forward-facing peg, the cotter pin and lower rod can
be removed.
I think then I disassembled the lower bearing, (not sure if I removed the stop
at the top of the nose gear strut), and pulled the strut forward away from the
bearing enough to slip off the old bungee, and slip on the new bungee. The bungee
has to go around the strut, past the lower bearing and over the rear peg
of the nose gear strut. It's possible that I had to pull it out of the upper bearing
(top cap removed) to be able to pull the strut forward, out of the lower
bearing.
With the bungee hanging from the rear peg, and around the nose gear strut, put
the lower rod into position. Then I just used a long screwdriver or similar to
lever the bungee up and over the forward peg.
Didn't take too much longer to do than to write about it. I had been worried about
needing a special tool, but turned out not to be a big deal.
That said, this is on a 2000 vintage kit that had the old peg positions and bungee
length. If you have the newer version hopefully it won't be any worse.
Best of luck,
Bill Mileski
Ledyard, CT
701 912S 93hrs
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| Subject: | HDS Firewall angle |
> The photo manual that's available online through the Zenith website. Since
you're an XL builder, you should have the DVD that is a duplicate.
The resolution of the images in the Acrobat documents on the CD is higher
than what you can get off of the web site. You can zoom in more.
-- Craig
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